Speed Tiers List

[Wii4Mii 99]

Credits to TheMaster42 from Smogon for making this. I DID NOT MAKE THIS.

Tier 0 (CS Users and > 130 base speed

• 
  538 - CS 252 Aerodactyl (130)

• 523 - CS 252 Weavile (125)

• 478 - CS 252 Gengar, Tauros, Espeon (110)

• 475 - Motor Drive +nature/252 Electivire (95)

• 460 - +nature/252 Ninjask (160)

• 459 - CS +nature/252 Moltres, Lucario, Porygon-Z, Zangoose (90)

• 458 - Quick Feet +nature/252 Ursaring (55)

• 454 - CS 252 Garchomp (102)

• 448 - CS 252 Zapdos, Celebi, Slaking, Flygon, Salamence, Jirachi, Staraptor, Manaphy, Shaymin, Charizard, Salac Berry BellyZard (100)

• 442 - CS +nature/252 Heracross, Suicune, Kingdra (85)

• 433 - Motor Drive 252 Electivire (95)

• 430 - Rock Polish from 215 Speed (Rock Polish Rampardos)

• 430 - CS +nature/252 Gyarados (81)

• 426 - CS +nature/252 Dragonite, Blaziken, Gardevoir, Medicham, Togekiss, Mamoswine (80)

• 419 - 252 Ninjask (160)

• 418 - CS 252 Moltres, Lucario, Porygon-Z, Zangoose, Salac Berry Lucario, Quick Feet 252 Ursaring

• 417 - CS +nature/252 Heatran (77)

• 405 - One DD from 270 Speed (outspeeds CS Heracross)

• 404 - Two DDs from 202 Speed (or Rock Polish/Agility) (outspeeds CS Heracross) Agiligross, Swift Swim Ludicolo

• 403 - CS 252 Heracross, Suicune, Kingdra (85)

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Tier 1 (110 to 130 base Speed)

• 396 - One DD from 264 Speed (outspeed all base 130s)

• 396 - Two DDs from 198 Speed (outspeeds all base 130s)

• 394 - +nature/252 Jolteon, Crobat, Aerodactyl (130)

• 383 - +nature/252 Swellow, Weavile (125)

• 379 - CS 252 Heatran (77)

• 372 - +nature/252 Dugtrio, Alakazam, Sceptile (120)

• 366 - One DD from 244 Speed (outspeeds all base 115s and 252 base 130s)

• 361 - +nature/252 Raikou, Azelf, Ambipom, Starmie (115)

• 359 - 252 Jolteon, Crobat, Aerodactyl (130)

• 350 - +nature/252 Gengar, Tauros, Espeon (110)

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Tier 2 (90 to <110 base Speed)

• 349 - 252 Swellow, Weavile (125)

• 346 - +nature/252 Infernape (108)

• 339 - +nature/252 Mismagius

• 339 - 252 Alakazam, Dugtrio, Sceptile (120)

• 334 - One DD from 223 Speed (outspeeds all base 100s, Garchomp, and 252 115s) BulkyGyara

• 333 - +nature/252 Garchomp (102)

• 329 - 252 Raikou, Ambipom, Azelf, Starmie (115)

• 328 - +nature/252 Zapdos, Celebi, Slaking, Flygon, Salamence, Jirachi, Regigigas, Staraptor, Manaphy, Shaymin (100)

• 319 - 252 Gengar, Tauros, Espeon (110)

• 317 - +nature/252 Houndoom, Jynx, Drapion, Yanmega, Leafeon, Gliscor, Uxie, Electivire (95)

• 315 - 252 Infernape (108)

• 309 - 252 Mismagius (105)

• 306 - +nature/252 Moltres, Lucario, Pikachu, Porygon-Z. Roserade, Zangoose (90)

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Tier 2 (70 to <90 base Speed)

• 303 - 252 Garchomp (102)

• 299 - 252 Zapdos, Celebi, Slaking, Flygon, Salamence, Jirachi, Regigigas, Staraptor, Manaphy, Shaymin (100)

• 295 - +nature/252 Heracross, Suicune, Kingdra (85)

• 289 - 252 Houndoom, Jynx, Drapion, Yanmega, Leafeon, Gliscor, Uxie, Electivire (95)

• 287 - +nature/252 Gyarados (81)

• 284 - +nature/252 Dragonite, Blaziken, Gardevoir, Medicham, Mespirit, Togekiss, Mamoswine (80)

• 279 - 252 Moltres, Lucario, Pikachu, Porygon-Z, Roseraqde, Zangoose (90)

• 278 - +nature/252 Heatran (77)

• 273 - +nature/252 Smeargle (75)

• 270 - One DD hits 405 (outspeeds CS 252 Heracross (85))

• 269 - 252 Heracross, Suicune, Toxicroak, Ledian (85)

• 265 - +nature/252 Honchkrow (71)

• 264 - One DD hits 396 (outspeeds +nature/252 base 130s)

• 262 - +nature/252 Breloom, Skarmory, Metagross (70)

• 261 - 252 Gyarados (81)

• 259 - 252 Dragonite, Blaziken, Gardevoir, Medicham, Mespirit, Togekiss, Mamoswine (80)

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Tier 4 (<80 base Speed)

• 253 - 252 Heatran (77)

• 246 - no-speed Mismagius (105)

• 244 - One DD hits 366 (outspeeds +nature/252 base 115s and 252 base 130s)

• 243 - +nature/252 Tyranitar (61)

• 241 - 252 Honchkrow (71)

• 239 - 252 Breloom, Skarmory, Metagross (70)

• 236 - +nature/252 Rampardos (58)

• 236 - no-speed Zapdos, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Shaymin, Miltank (100)

• 226 - no-speed Gliscor, Leafeon, Uxie (95)

• 223 - One DD hits 334 (outspeeds all base 100s, Garchomp and 252 base 115s) BilkyGyara

• 221 - 252 Tyranitar (61)

• 216 - no-speed Moltres, Lucario (90)

• 215 - 252 Rampardos (58)

• 207 - +nature/252 Marowak (45)

• 206 - no-speed Heracross, Suicune (85)

• 202 - Two DDs (or one Rock Polish/Agility) hits 404 Speed (outspeeds CS Heracross)

• 198 - no-speed Gyarados, Milotic (81)

• 198 - Two DDs (or one Rock Polish/Agility) hits 396 Speed (outspeeds +nature/252 base 130s)

• 196 - no-speed Mamoswine, Gardevoir, Dragonite (80)

• 190 - no-speed Heatran (77)

• 189 - 252 Marowak (45)

• 176 - no-speed Skarmory, Breloom, Metagross, Cloyster, Ludicolo (70)

• 166 - no-speed Vaporeon, Umbreon, Scizor (65)

• 158 - no-speed Tyranitar (61)

• 156 - no-speed Swampert, Porygon2, Magnezone, Weezing (60)

• 152 - no-speed Rampardos (58)

• 146 - no-speed Blissey (55)

• 140 - -nature/31iv Mixpert, Weezing, Magnezone (60)

• 136 - no-speed Tangrowth, Lickilicky, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Donphan (50)

• 126 - no-speed Dusknoir, Marowak (45)

• 116 - no-speed Rhyperior (40)

• 106 - no-speed Spiritomb (35)

• 102 - no-speed Bronzong (33)

• 96 - no-speed Snorlax, Slowbro, Steelix (30)

• 63 - -nature/0iv Trick Room Bronzong

+nature/252: A Pokemon with a beneficial nature and 252 EVs in Speed.
252: A Pokemon with a neutral nature and 252 EVs in Speed.
CS: A Pokemon holding a Choice Scarf.
One DD: A Pokemon before or after one Speed Boost. (DD stands for Dragon Dance)
Two DDs: A Pokemon before or after one Speed Boost. Remember, one Rock Polish/Agility is equal to two speed boosts.
(130): A pokemon with 130 base Speed.
-nature/31iv: A Pokemon with a nature that reduces Speed, but has 31 IVs in Speed.
-nature/0iv: A Pokemon with a nature that reduces Speed and has 0 ivs in Speed.

How to use the list
Find the Poke you're raising and see how high it can get on the list. Then, see how far down it can go while still outspeeding a Poke you want to outspeed. This helps to save EVs. All the Speed on this list is assuming your Poke has 31 ivs in Speed, unless otherwise said.

For example: Jolly Garchomp with 252 EVs in Speed hits 333 Speed. But the next highest group is 329 (neutral-nature Azelf/Starmie). So Jolly Garchomp can safely run 330 in Speed (240 EVs) to still outspeed them while saving EVs for another stat.

Dragon Dance raises Speed by 1.5, while Rock Polish/Agility raises Speed by 2. For example, a DD from 244 Speed makes it become 366. 244 times 1.5 equals 366. A Rock Polish from 215 Speed hits 430. 215 times 2 equals 430.

 

[commonyoshi]

What is this, and how do we even read it?

 

[frenchfri]

Copied from Smogon? Either way, very helpful list.

 

[Chill]

If you did copy this from somewhere you need to credit the orginal creator.

I'll probably lock this not because it's bad it I just don't see it standing on it's own as a topic. Though it will be useful when we make an archive for the pokcenter.

 

[9Kplus1]

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23432 found the link, at least put quotes around it to show it's not yours since you claim it to be yours but really, it's not. DON'T close this thread, just add it somewhere or keep the link for the future.

chill edit: Yeah, I just said that.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

I put in the credits of who made it. I also put in I DID NOT MAKE THIS.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[brdy_]

This is awesome.

 

[CaliburChamp]

If your pokemon has good defenses you dont need speed! Example... Suicune... it has great defenses, it would be a waste of EV's to put in speed. Put it all in defense, spcl def, and HP.

This is a good reference list though.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

For all of you thinking I could've just put in the link, think about how fun it was for me to type all this stuff. It actually only took an hour.

NOTE: I did not make this.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[Creo]

I guess this is really good but I don't really understand on how to read it. It seems confusing to me, though I am pretty new to this kind of stuff for Pokemon.

May I add that you did a quintuple post..lol.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

I guess this is really good but I don't really understand on how to read it. It seems confusing to me, though I am pretty new to this kind of stuff for Pokemon.

May I add that you did a quintuple post..lol.

Well...
1. The tiers are easier to find because they're in seperated posts instead of in a single post.
2. Would all this stuff fit into one post?

How you read it:
Find the Pokemon you're raising and see what number it's at. Then, see what the next highest number is. You can make your Poke's Speed stat be one stat higher, to still outspeed it, but have more EVs to put in a different stat. Or, just look for a common threat for your team or one that you think is a threat, and make your best countering Poke one stat faster, so you save even more EVs.

You guys don't know this list's usefulness.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

Edit: @ CaliburChamp

Well, what if it was your Suicune against a Heracross, and your Suicune was one stat faster? And your Suicune was almost dead and about to be fainted by a Megahorn, Close Combat, etc? Since you're faster, you can do a Rest, restoring your health, surviving an attack, and being able to Sleep Talk. Or, switching to a Heracross counter(Gliscor, etc.). You're in a better position with a Poke that can handle Hera, and your Suicune lives, letting it wall a different Poke or whatever.