Space Day

[Mic_128]

Today’s blog post is about Yesterday and Today’s updates, which were both space-related. Today’s is sure to crush some hopes for a main character, but we get another Pokeball Pokemon: <strong>the Space DNA Pokemon, Deoxys</strong>. Yesterday’s gave us some more music, this time from StarFox.

<img src="http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/images/mball03/mball03_070717a.jpg" alt="In Ruby/Saphire form too" />

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Deoxys floats gently upwards before gracefully spinning around and nuking the stage underneath it. Run for cover guys, looks like it hurts.

<img src="http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/images/mball03/mball03_070717d-l.jpg" alt="Pikachu, being the only Pokemon, recognized the warning signs. The others, did not." />

The Starfox music mentioned is called “StarFox: Space Armada.” <a href="http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music05.html">Listen to it here.</a> Hajime Hirasawa composed it under Kenji Ito’s supervision.

 

[Maric]

I’m glad he is a pokeball and not a playable character. I dont care for pokemon and I dont want them spamming up the character selection.

 

[homelessvagrant]

Even if your not a pokemon fan you have to admit that there are some pokes that would make awesome additions to smash (Like marowak, not that that will ever happen). i’m hearing a lot of buzz about people interested in Lucario or Blaziken joining Brawl. they’re both fighting types (which really fits for this fighting game) and they’re some of the “cooler” pokemon. so what do you guys think?
The Starfox music is beyond awesome, I believe the starfox stage will be really cool, it’s one of my prefered basic stages thus far.

 

[kirbykid]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

My dreamed have been dashed!

 

[homelessvagrant]

It never seems to work out for you does it kirbykid.

 

[Rockin]

Kirbykid - You never even heard of him. The first and last time you heard of him was in the blog yesterday lol

Actually, I’m glad he’s not a playable character. I think he’d be too broken &gt;&gt;

 

[Mr fN LeOn]

**** looks kool

 

[homelessvagrant]

I’m sorry Rockin but in Kirbykids defense, I believe in the last smashcast #4 that when they chose characters they wanted new characters in brawl that kirbykid mentioned Deoxys as his character he would want in brawl. he then starts to describe him as the other host hadn’t have a clue who Deoxys was. Sorry but you lose.

 

[homelessvagrant]

Rockin, I still love you.

 

[Darkfur]

@Rockin

That’s the same reason noone wanted Mewtwo in Melee.

And look what they did to him. =p

 

[Rockin]

Homelessvagrant - I just listened to the pod cast again and wanted to say sorry to both you and Kirbykid. I kinda got mixed up in the voices. lol and thanks for the love

 

[Rockin]

Darkfur - Actually, when I saw Mewtwo in the game, I was kinda surprised. I was actually happy to see him in there. At least Nintendo didn’t forget their famous and badass pokemone. I actually thought of him as one of the small badasses in there (small because he’s floaty). This was before I began competitivly. When I began, not only did I strip his title and put a new title on Marth (known as emo pretty boy), but Mewtwo was known as ‘Mr. Glitch’ in my book (thanks to a friendlies with M2K for the first time).When I compare him with Deoxys, I see that he could be even more broken with the same floatyness.

So yeah, sorry Kirbykid.

 

[PRINCESS PEACH]

Deoxys wow cooly

 

[Ben]

Crap!!!!! Deoxys would have been the best Brawl!!! They should have at least 5 pokemon characters in Brawl cause Pokemon rule!!!Ö

 

[Ben]

I am strongly dissappointed that Deoxys is not a playable character.

 

[Mr fN LeOn]

@ homeless yo marowak would fit nice wit brawl

 

[camperkid]

I’m not really bothered… I think pokemons and pokeball pokemons is a funny
addition to the game yet not a must have…

I’m guessing that there will be a character from animal crossing in brawl since there the level already has been revieled (in melee all themed levels have a character that “belongs” there)
I’m also pretty sure that roy/marth will reappear (On the list of musicians on DOJO there’s one of the musicians that it says has been working on the fire emblem series….)

I hope zero suit samus and normal samus will be two characters and not a transformable like zelda/sheik from melee….

 

[PRINCESS PEACH]

will he is a pokemon

 

[falcofuku69]

as long as they dont cut Faclo, and Deoxys would suck as a character, like everyone pointed out, he would be mewtwo’s twin

 

[LaniusShrike]

I don’t really think Deoxys would have been too similar to Mewtwo, for a variety of reasons… the most important one being that I trust the game designers to not do that. But, I rather dislike Deoxys’ design, and I would much rather have an improved Mewtwo.
I think Marowak would’ve been hilariously awesome, though… heh.

 

[PRINCESS PEACH]

Marowak eeewwwwwww!
oh! come.

 

[ravenkikas]

Pokemon fan or not pokemons WILL be in brawl, and a new one at least will be a playable character i think. Deoxys sure looks cool, but i think Mewtwo does is job… Anyway i think the game will have at least 1 new pokemon as a playable character so deal with it if it happens… =/

P.S- Marowak? there are cooler pokemons! I Think Lucario would be great but since is from 4th gen i dont know if he will be in this game, i hope so!

 

[falcofuku69]

Good point raven, a good adition would be camerupt or dustox

 

[falcofuku69]

oh and tyranitar

 

[awesome ivan]

do you know who would make an awesome pokeball pokemon? regigigas! he could do his big giga punch and utterly destroy anything in his path till he gets to the end of the platform that would be wicked awesome! also lucario would be awesome because every one likes him and hes become sort of an icon.

 

[homelessvagrant]

I like how people took such a positive ideal for Marowak (except Peach, can’t you see that he’s adorable). Lucario would seem to be the most possible candidate for brawl and his hype (Like Roy’s) might make him into brawl, it’s very possible.
Also all you haters who are dissing on Mewtwo, stop. He was indeed a low tier fighter but it wasn’t because he was a bad choice for brawl. He got nothing more than screwed on his entry to brawl. His confusion and disable should have been longer range, his teleport should have hosted magical fire, and his weight should have been heavier. When he makes his entry into brawl, I’m sure he will be beefed up a little making him equal to other brawl contenders.

 

[homelessvagrant]

In paragraph two, sentense three, I meant the say that Mewtwo got nothing more than screwed on his entry to MELEE.

Sorry for mistake ^_^*

 

[Yomon]

I can’t wait to throw my friend’s into that beam :D

Oh yeahs! I could care less if Deoxys was a character or not. But it’s kinda funny to see people overreact to Deoxys living its first generation in Smash Bros. as a pokeball pokemon.

 

[homelessvagrant]

Also I’d like end something else right here, many people are freaking out that their character may be taken out of brawl. I’d like to put that to rest.

Next time you play melee look at the placement of the clones, notice that they are all at the outsides of the selection screen. Also when you begin a new game you’ll notice that the question marks (placed where the unlockables are at) are at a total of five and each clone does not have a question box to represent them. Furthermore their alignment with the other boxes is deplorable compared to the other non clone characters.

So what does this mean? Smash melee was rushed to production. The clone characters were never meant to be at the start of melee. Also it be said that more trophies were meant to be made (punch out and such), and the fine tuning of characters were never met (which could explain why the Pal version was changed in areas). Sakurai actually stated at one point that around the 3rd quarter of preduction that they realized that they wouldn’t be able to add any extra characters like they planed (which could be how Diddy got screwed out of melee) and they decided to go with clones

So what does this mean for brawl? This means that this is a chance for sakurai to make more complete “clone free” brawl. Think about this sakurai mentioned that he planned about 40 characters in brawl. If there’s to around 40 characters in brawl than why would Sakurai get rid of obvious characters like Peach or Ness for less known characters like Lip? The fact is he isn’t. Also those who think ice climbers are leaving just because some people think their stupid, why would Sakurai get rid of a character with their own concieved move list and dissapoint some fan for a new character in which he’ll have to concieve a new less original move list. Think of each character as a gaming experience.

Does this mean all clones are getting the axe, or that the ice cimbers aren’t. No it’s that probability speaking Ice climbers have a much higher chance of staying in brawl than Dr. Mario. Also there are some clones who have a higher chance at staying than others. ganondorf had a high standing in the Japanese forums so he may recieve new moves. Sakurai stated that he liked the idea of Falco as a clone because he liked falco.
The others however were place in because of marketing perposes (Roy), gimmicks (pichu), or just cheap clones (Dr. Mario and Y. Link).

Through my research (putting my opinion to the side) I believe that on a probable basis (not that it is said to happen), the most like to go are Dr. Mario, Y. Link (for his windwaker self, because of it’s unique apeal and sudden increase in games{he’s practically replaced Y. Link in the latest games}),Pichu, and Roy (most likely to be replaced by more popular Ike)

 

[kirbykid]

^^^
homelessvagrant:
About the Ice Climbers… they’re 100% broken. When played successfully they are 2 competent characters working as a perfect team. This isn’t fair by any means. It’s just how the physics and the game mechanics work.

 

[homelessvagrant]

I know, but Kirbykid your looking at this thing too much in the ideal of tournament play. Sakurai built this game to be a fighter/party game. That’s why there’s so much randomness and say items. In the prospect the Ice climbers fit just well. Some things intergrated in the game is for more serious play. Some things however were meant to be in the game for more casual play. I hate the Ice climbers and agree with you. But the idea is to get into Sakurais mind. Tell me how the Hammers fair?

Anyways if they are that strong i have faith that Sakurai will atempt to even it up, just like he did with the hammer.

 

[kirbykid]

^^^
The Hammer is one of the most Balanced items. Easy to wield. Easy to counter. Plenty of advanced techniques. Mind game the rest.

There’s a tiny flaw in your logic. From a game developers/designers stand point, a good game is a good game no matter the target audience. There’s no such thing as casual game design. You either make a well constructed game or you don’t.

Not to put casuals down, but they don’t really matter at all when designing the game. In many ways, the hardcore gamer is at the same time a casual gamer. Casuals crave the same things hardcore gamers do. A fun and well organized/structured game.

The Iceclimbers bend the rules too much from a design standpoint. The casuals may never notice. But if they never notice, then why talk about them.

 

[Rhyme]

I’m goin’ with KirbyKid on this one, not because I’m a suck-up, but because he’s absolutely right. Desynching makes the ICs broken and unfair, which is frowned upon in competitive play.

Still, it never ceases to amaze me how a character like Marth can be balanced for casual gamers and nearly broken for competitive gamers.

I got nervous for a second when reading the Dojo update for Deoxys. Relieved isn’t a strong enough word to describe my feelings when I found that he wasn’t playable. Some Poke’mon are nice, and I’ll admit that there are some I deffinately wouldn’t mind seeing *cough*bulbasaur*cough*, but Deoxys certainly isn’t among them.

Also, since I’m posting now and don’t want to post twice, wtf is up with Wednesday’s Dojo update? Samus changing to ZSS AFTER the final smash? Hate to get the cart in front of the horse here, but I don’t think Zamus will be playable in tournaments now. :/

 

[Rupe]

I was thinking the same thing, Rhyme.
I’m going to keep my fingers crossed and hope that there will be a way to change without using a final smash.

It makes it seem like the game is punishing you for using the final smash; and if that’s the case, then shouldn’t the player be able to choose this “punishment” whenever they want even if they don’t use a final smash?

On the other hand, if Sexy Samus(TM) is better than Samus, then it’s like a reward for using a final smash…

 

[homelessvagrant]

Okay lets look at this from a hardcore standard then

You say Ice climbers are broken right but look at it like this. You say the double teaming capabilities make them a hard strong unfair match, but their not top tier. Even if they are unbalanced and the whole double teaming issue comes about, their are ways to fix that, 1:they can be weakened 2: they can be stripped to one iceclimber and given a new up B 3: the second ice climber can be weakened to do only certain actions (take away nana’s ability to throw or roll dodge certain scenarios impossible 4: take away the possibility of Nana making players flinch when hit, taking away combo options and making her useless awat from Popo.
These are difficult things to do and it makes it possible for this character and gaming experience to live on to the next smash

And even if this isn’t to happen and virtually fails, it does bring another good thing, imbalance. Or have you forgotton GlanceValve’s article about game imbalance. game imbalance is good. I like struggling against a opponant who has the advantage over me, just to watch me beat the odds and triumphantly defeat him/her.

I know you play Kirby so must know all about that. The fact is just because a character looks inconcievably destroyed, whether they be two powerful, awkward, or weak that doesn’t mean they can’t be fixed. And even if they aren’t doesn’t mean that it will destroy the gaming experience of course theirs the possibility that I’m just being stupid and too optimistic about these things, but I’d rather be. I think Ice climbers have a shot at making it to brawl.

I still love you Kirbykid, I like your articles. ^_^

 

[homelessvagrant]

Oh also Kirbykid, the hammers even now, (and you’ll probably disagree with this) but in the 64 days it was brutal. Also look at the exploding capsules, heart containers, starman (all suddenly near your opponent), Fox, and Fourside

 

[PRINCESS PEACH]

well starmie is cool i love her
it would be nice if she is in the game

 

[Ben]

Ok, Deoxys should be in Brawl as playable. His moves would be totally different. Also, where’s Captain Falcon? He’s my favourite and should be in Brawl soon. Roy ya but not marth. His moves are really weak. Ice climbers, no. Deoxys wouldn’t be Mewtwo’s twin. Marowak, no. Regigigas, way yes.

 

[Ben]

yeah, if Staryu is going to be in there, then replace it with Starmie.

 

[Ben]

Animal Crossing is stupid! It’s just like little animals going through a regular day. NONE should be in BRAWL!!!