Social Sora Unlocks the Door! The Sora Social Thread

[Powerman293]

Would be a bit weird considering it's Cloud form FFVII and not KH. He'd have no recollection of the events.

Even weirder because DLC don't get Palutena's Guidances.

Even weirder since Cloud doesn't have an English VA in Ultimate. It's just a hypothetical.

 

[Double0Groove]

to be fair there is a heartless based on the tsum tsums in union x

Wait, there are? When was this?! Was this after the reveal/release of the game?

 

[fogbadge]

Wait, there are? When was this?! Was this after the reveal/release of the game?

much after

https://www.khwiki.com/Heartless_Tsum

 

[Hadokeyblade]

much after

https://www.khwiki.com/Heartless_Tsum

Why would they do this

 

[fogbadge]

Why would they do this

for the lolz i think

 

[MAtgSy]

much after

https://www.khwiki.com/Heartless_Tsum

When you copy the work of the classmmate next to you:

 

[fogbadge]

When you copy the work of the classmmate next to you:

now what is that?

 

[Perkilator]

now what is that?

If I had to guess, something Power Rangers-related. I recognized the mouth with fangs in the middle of the torso as a generic mood from Power Rangers Samurai.

 

[fogbadge]

If I had to guess, something Power Rangers-related. I recognized the mouth with fangs in the middle of the torso as a generic mood from Power Rangers Samurai.

i see

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Hi everyone!

I don't know why I've never really posted here before, but recently I've been writing on different Square Enix characters that could get into Smash this pass in the Newcomer Spec Thread, including Sora. I'm a huge fan of the Kingdom Hearts series (I just got all the Playstation trophies for KH2, and I'm working on getting all the trophies KH3 + Re:Mind now), and would definitely like to be added to the supporters list! I tried to make the most comprehensive argument on Sora in Smash, and as such my essay is a rather long read (over 4,300 words), so be warned. I hope you all enjoy!

Spoiler: Essay

 

[fogbadge]

Hi everyone!

I don't know why I've never really posted here before, but recently I've been writing on different Square Enix characters that could get into Smash this pass in the Newcomer Spec Thread, including Sora. I'm a huge fan of the Kingdom Hearts series (I just got all the Playstation trophies for KH2, and I'm working on getting all the trophies KH3 + Re:Mind now), and would definitely like to be added to the supporters list! I tried to make the most comprehensive argument on Sora in Smash, and as such my essay is a rather long read (over 4,300 words), so be warned. I hope you all enjoy!

Spoiler: Essay

he’s not a SE character and if you are aware of that you shouldnt include him

 

[M@R!3]

Hi everyone!

I don't know why I've never really posted here before, but recently I've been writing on different Square Enix characters that could get into Smash this pass in the Newcomer Spec Thread, including Sora. I'm a huge fan of the Kingdom Hearts series (I just got all the Playstation trophies for KH2, and I'm working on getting all the trophies KH3 + Re:Mind now), and would definitely like to be added to the supporters list! I tried to make the most comprehensive argument on Sora in Smash, and as such my essay is a rather long read (over 4,300 words), so be warned. I hope you all enjoy!

Spoiler: Essay

That was a good read. Looks like you've got everything covered from what I can remember.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

he’s not a SE character and if you are aware of that you shouldnt include him

While he isn't technically a Square Enix character, and we could certainly see another, dedicated Square Enix character alongside him, I believe Square Enix's involvement in negotiations is significant enough for him to warrant mention in this series.

 

[fogbadge]

While he isn't technically a Square Enix character, and we could certainly see another, dedicated Square Enix character alongside him, I believe Square Enix's involvement in negotiations is significant enough for him to warrant mention in this series.

yes but ownership is what defines what sort of a character they are

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

yes but ownership is what defines what sort of a character they are

He's right, though. SE would be involved in how to properly design the character. They won't be out of it, since there's stuff, including music, they may own. And if it's not the music, did you really think Sakurai isn't going to ask a SE representative for help on making sure they represent the character right? Same thing with any KH OC, since while Disney owns them, SE designed them and know their mannerisms way better. Ownership is only half the importance of a franchise. Who develops them is just as important.

 

[fogbadge]

He's right, though. SE would be involved in how to properly design the character. They won't be out of it, since there's stuff, including music, they may own. And if it's not the music, did you really think Sakurai isn't going to ask a SE representative for help on making sure they represent the character right? Same thing with any KH OC, since while Disney owns them, SE designed them and know their mannerisms way better. Ownership is only half the importance of a franchise. Who develops them is just as important.

disney owns all the music, disney owns all kh original stuff. i never said who develops it wasnt important i said who own them defines what character they are, meaning owned by disney = disney character/owned by nintendo = nintendo character

also sakurai doesnt always care about character mannerisms look at bowser

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

disney owns all the music, disney owns all kh original stuff. i never said who develops it wasnt important i said who own them defines what character they are, meaning owned by disney = disney character/owned by nintendo = nintendo character

also sakurai doesnt always care about character mannerisms look at bowser

...Bowser is acting pretty much like himself? That's been one of his most prominent designs. He's actually been monstrous quite a bit, and has only shown a more human side throughout the years. Literally in Super Mario 64, his first 3D debut, he was very very monstrous. Paper Bowser isn't remotely the same thing. His character has evolved, but he actually was very accurate when added. Just cause he doesn't evolve Bowser's personality with the new games doesn't mean he's actually inaccurate. He's not updated to newer stuff, but it's still based upon his canon personality. Now, if you were talking about Lucina...

However, he does massively care for 3rd parties and very often goes for their original designs too. Regardless, Sora was created by Square-Enix, so calling him "a SE character" is not remotely wrong. Nobody is calling him a "SE-owned character", which has a very different meaning in itself. He's also a Disney character. Characters are basically a sum of all their parts when describing what company they relate to. That's not referring to the ownership. Banjo, due to his origins, was a Nintendo and Rareware character too. He's also now a Microsoft character. All of these are accurate statements. And that's what people mean, just companies that are involved with a character directly. SE is still involved, so "was" is a silly point to make. He's still clearly a SE character, including the fact they outright put him on a list of 7 leakbait characters by choice. So they take the fact they're associated with Sora quite seriously enough for catching leakers too. That's a core reason why people still call him one, since they know SE sees them as a part of Sora's overall core history.

They don't need to be involved in licensing. But SE will be involved in the character process. It's extremely rare that the developers for a 3rd party character have zero involvement in a character that Sakurai is working on. There's not even a proper example of where they wouldn't be involved. Either we don't know or we know they're involved. So yeah, Sakurai's going to clearly ask for help from SE with Sora if he is able to license him. He wants the people responsible for the mannerisms, etc.

 

[fogbadge]

...Bowser is acting pretty much like himself? That's been one of his most prominent designs. He's actually been monstrous quite a bit, and has only shown a more human side throughout the years. Literally in Super Mario 64, his first 3D debut, he was very very monstrous. Paper Bowser isn't remotely the same thing. His character has evolved, but he actually was very accurate when added. Just cause he doesn't evolve Bowser's personality with the new games doesn't mean he's actually inaccurate. He's not updated to newer stuff, but it's still based upon his canon personality. Now, if you were talking about Lucina...

However, he does massively care for 3rd parties and very often goes for their original designs too. Regardless, Sora was created by Square-Enix, so calling him "a SE character" is not remotely wrong. Nobody is calling him a "SE-owned character", which has a very different meaning in itself. He's also a Disney character. Characters are basically a sum of all their parts when describing what company they relate to. That's not referring to the ownership. Banjo, due to his origins, was a Nintendo and Rareware character too. He's also now a Microsoft character. All of these are accurate statements. And that's what people mean, just companies that are involved with a character directly. SE is still involved, so "was" is a silly point to make. He's still clearly a SE character, including the fact they outright put him on a list of 7 leakbait characters by choice. So they take the fact they're associated with Sora quite seriously enough for catching leakers too. That's a core reason why people still call him one, since they know SE sees them as a part of Sora's overall core history.

They don't need to be involved in licensing. But SE will be involved in the character process. It's extremely rare that the developers for a 3rd party character have zero involvement in a character that Sakurai is working on. There's not even a proper example of where they wouldn't be involved. Either we don't know or we know they're involved. So yeah, Sakurai's going to clearly ask for help from SE with Sora if he is able to license him. He wants the people responsible for the mannerisms, etc.

no bowser was never as bestial in Mario. Even back in the early days he was laughing maniacally getting worked up easily and scheming the only thing that’s really changed is he’s a bit more cartoonish and he has a caring side now he has a son but he’s the same bowser he’s always been for the last 35 years

by that logic Mario is also a SE character and link is a Capcom character

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

no bowser was never as bestial in Mario. Even back in the early days he was laughing maniacally getting worked up easily and scheming the only thing that’s really changed is he’s a bit more cartoonish and he has a caring side now he has a son but he’s the same bowser he’s always been for the last 35 years

by that logic Mario is also a SE character and link is a Capcom character

"By that logic" is not a good argument. Especially when neither Mario or Link were created/originally developed by SE or Capcom. You probably should use a better example, if anything. It's also basically trying to put words in my mouth and really needs to be stopped being mention. I'm not making that logic. A character's original developer and owner is always going to be associated with them. "Not anymore" is used for a good reason. And some only happened to be on a system but wasn't actually owned by that system's company at any point. Not that it stops association with 'em(like Cloud with Sony). Unlike those examples, Square-Enix is the actual creator of Sora and should always be treated as a core important part of his origins company-wise. That makes sense.

That said, no, he's very very bestial in Super Mario 64. He's usually been bestial outside of rpg's. It wasn't till Sunshine he changed more. His actual mannerisms in Smash only recently has him standing up like the regular games. The actual voice grunts are from actual Mario games, the core ones, where he always sounded bestial(again, till Sunshine). The rpg's were the first time Bowser got proper characterization in any games, and weren't used for a long time in the Super Mario series proper. That's why Mario Kart in general had his voice grunts. DK even sounds like himself.

 

[MAtgSy]

now what is that?

"Combined Combatant", a monster made of all the enemy footsoldiers from the 1st 34 Super Sentai seasons.

 

[M@R!3]

I figured this went on forever until you won, but I didn't know just how many more attacks he had.

Spoiler: Limit Cut Spoiler

 

[fogbadge]

That said, no, he's very very bestial in Super Mario 64. He's usually been bestial outside of rpg's. It wasn't till Sunshine he changed more. His actual mannerisms in Smash only recently has him standing up like the regular games. The actual voice grunts are from actual Mario games, the core ones, where he always sounded bestial(again, till Sunshine). The rpg's were the first time Bowser got proper characterization in any games, and weren't used for a long time in the Super Mario series proper. That's why Mario Kart in general had his voice grunts. DK even sounds like himself.

no he does not! he was never that feral and bestial. in 64 it was ominous laughter with the only roars when he got back up onto the battlefield. bowser is based on how sakurai thought he was in the original super mario bros, not how he was in 64 super mario rpg or anything else. bowser has a fictitious personality that he never had in any game and even then he was never this bestial in the games. his current characterisation comes from more than just the rpgs, it was seen in the early mario parties, in tetris attack, the sports games, even the comics and the cartoons. bowsers personality came from many different things many of which predated smash by a wide margin

"Combined Combatant", a monster made of all the enemy footsoldiers from the 1st 34 Super Sentai seasons.

weird

 

[PLATINUM7]

Bowser in Super Mario 64 was this terrifying hulking figure with a spooky laugh. That's the Bowser I was first accustomed to and Smash Bowser feels fairly well evocative of that.

 

[Powerman293]

I was in a discord server and heard this Donald Duck cover of Simple and Clean and oh my god I fell over laughing. This should be a nice palette cleanser for all the bad going on in the world right now.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

no he does not!

Okay, I draw the line being yelled at. I am not going to participate in conversations like that. So I am done conversing with you entirely. No exceptions.

So I hope you have a nice night(or day, evening, morning, whatever is accurate). And that's the last thing I'll say.

 

[fogbadge]

Okay, I draw the line being yelled at. I am not going to participate in conversations like that. So I am done conversing with you entirely. No exceptions.

So I hope you have a nice night(or day, evening, morning, whatever is accurate). And that's the last thing I'll say.

that wasnt yelling, that was emphases on a point

though stopping is a good idea as this too far off topic

 

[M@R!3]

I was in a discord server and heard this Donald Duck cover of Simple and Clean and oh my god I fell over laughing. This should be a nice palette cleanser for all the bad going on in the world right now.

This is the sort of quality content I can get behind.

 

[Perkilator]

Guys, check this out:

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[PLATINUM7]

Just hook it to my veins.

 

[fogbadge]

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man if we ever get the emperor's new groove in kh we will see that gif a lot after the reveal

 

[Nazyrus]

Guys, check this out:

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I'm ready to check mark it on my bingo card already

 

[M@R!3]

Direct or not, MoM is likely close to being finished. Madison Davenport, the voice of "The Nameless Star" in KH3, recently finished some voice work for an unnamed project.

 

[Rangez]

Hi everyone!

I don't know why I've never really posted here before, but recently I've been writing on different Square Enix characters that could get into Smash this pass in the Newcomer Spec Thread, including Sora. I'm a huge fan of the Kingdom Hearts series (I just got all the Playstation trophies for KH2, and I'm working on getting all the trophies KH3 + Re:Mind now), and would definitely like to be added to the supporters list! I tried to make the most comprehensive argument on Sora in Smash, and as such my essay is a rather long read (over 4,300 words), so be warned. I hope you all enjoy!

Spoiler: Essay

Well done... really, I truly mean it. Managed to read through the full essay and I'm very proud of how much credit you've given to Sora than how others would have. Also I really appreciate the significant counterpoints and acknowledgements of Sora's high points in terms of overall fan demand (HE MANAGED TO PLACE 1st IN TWO FAN POLLS! Like, seriously!).

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I figured this went on forever until you won, but I didn't know just how many more attacks he had.

Spoiler: Limit Cut Spoiler

I actually got to the Bowling Balls part on my Pro Codes run against him. Since it was Beginner Mode, I grinded some Defense Boosts, and turned on Curaga and Elixirs I managed to get through it despite absolutely failing the execution to end it early.

Speaking of, I just got the Risk Taker trophy (Get Rank A with Pro Codes) today, and I'm writing up a guide with some personal tips. Would anyone here be interested in something seeing like that? I'll likely be posting it to the Kingdom Hearts subreddit, so maybe I'll just link it here when I'm done.

Well done... really, I truly mean it. Managed to read through the full essay and I'm very proud of how much credit you've given to Sora than how others would have. Also I really appreciate the significant counterpoints and acknowledgements of Sora's high points in terms of overall fan demand (HE MANAGED TO PLACE 1st IN TWO FAN POLLS! Like, seriously!).

Thank you! I definitely tried my best to make a fair case for Sora while also being realistic about his chances. I think a lot of people undersell him, and while there's a lot of moving parts when it comes to getting him into Smash, I think at the very least it's possible.

 

[M@R!3]

I actually got to the Bowling Balls part on my Pro Codes run against him. Since it was Beginner Mode, I grinded some Defense Boosts, and turned on Curaga and Elixirs I managed to get through it despite absolutely failing the execution to end it early.

Speaking of, I just got the Risk Taker trophy (Get Rank A with Pro Codes) today, and I'm writing up a guide with some personal tips. Would anyone here be interested in something seeing like that? I'll likely be posting it to the Kingdom Hearts subreddit, so maybe I'll just link it here when I'm done.

I've made it to the small "psy" orbs, but with my damage output a successful punish there ends the fight. Had I been aware the first spread shot volley was punishable I never would've encountered any of his "psy" attacks.

There's already a pretty good general guide. But I'm sure somebody would appreciate a more in depth approach for each boss, if that's what you're planning.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I've made it to the small "psy" orbs, but with my damage output a successful punish there ends the fight. Had I been aware the first spread shot volley was punishable I never would've encountered any of his "psy" attacks.

There's already a pretty good general guide. But I'm sure somebody would appreciate a more in depth approach for each boss, if that's what you're planning.

I mainly covered things like Keyblades, Armor, Accessories, and Abilities for people to reference on their own playthroughs.

I guess I could probably do an in-depth writeup of my boss fights and how I went through them, but right now there are other topics I'd rather write about first. Maybe if I have the spare time.

 

[Perkilator]

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A Twitter user name ElizaArtz did an AMAZING Vol. 2 Spirit Board menu concept, and Kingdom Hearts Spirits were included!

 

[Powerman293]

I assume this thread isn't popping off at the idea of a Direct tomorrow due to the Geno hype being a black hole of attention?

 

[M@R!3]

I assume this thread isn't popping off at the idea of a Direct tomorrow due to the Geno hype being a black hole of attention?

Nah, I think we're just waiting on confirmation on a direct at all. It's been very back and forth.

 

[MyDude213]

I assume this thread isn't popping off at the idea of a Direct tomorrow due to the Geno hype being a black hole of attention?

Since when is Geno not a black hole of attention?