Sonic Let downs

[WuTangDude]

Sonic has always been a let down.

For about 9 years now...

 

[sonicspeed 96]

For about 9 years now...

I wanna see you say that to the Sonic fanboys and see what you get as a response. And how is Sonic a let down? The Christmas update wasn't Sonic's fault blame Sakurai he updates the Dojo. And I can't wait till Brawl comes out so I can pwn all of you with Sonic to prove you wrong.

 

[Nickmizzet024@gmail.com]

Actually, sonic was sort of difficult to handle. He seemed too fast to handle for me. But, he seems to have potential. SOnic users need a lot of time to master him. When i went to e for all, he was a too fast character to use, but still fun to play as. He is not much of a letdown, but he could have been better.

 

[Dolla Billz Don't Lie Nygga]

I don't care what anyone says...Sonic on the Genesis wasn't "fast" at all. It's only when he hit 3-D dimensions that we saw the speed aspect. And while Sonic Heroes sucked as well as the treasure hunting/shooting/fishing/chao-crap parts of the Sonic Adventure series, the 3-D Sonic were WAY faster than the 2-D could ever be. Every review of a 3-D Sonic game that claims the franchise in slowed-down is more or less full of crap.

 

[Got Blood?]

^ Except for the fact that the Genesis Sonic games DEFINED speed.

 

[redphoenix526]

I don't care what anyone says...Sonic on the Genesis wasn't "fast" at all. It's only when he hit 3-D dimensions that we saw the speed aspect. And while Sonic Heroes sucked as well as the treasure hunting/shooting/fishing/chao-crap parts of the Sonic Adventure series, the 3-D Sonic were WAY faster than the 2-D could ever be. Every review of a 3-D Sonic game that claims the franchise in slowed-down is more or less full of crap.

Sonic wasn't fast except in 3D? Have you ever played Sonic on the Genesis, or for that matter, if you play modern stuff only, the Sonic Advance games? I think you'll see just how fast the 2D sonic was. I will agree, though that Sonic's not really slowed down in the 3D games, though. I guess I never really saw what people hated about the 3D games except for that camera that kept screwing up, as well as Big the Cat's fishing levels in Sonic Adventure.

 

[tafutureboy]

Sonics gonna be great for brawl....he was supposed to be in melee but they rushed it (which is why theres so many clones)
they took what has it been now 3 years so there making the best game they can. If you dont like sonic dont play as him...jeez

 

[Polar_Bear]

I agree that Sonic games have gone downhill. I mean, the last good one was Secret Rings. And before that it was Shadow the Hedgehog. And before that it was Sonic Heroes. And before that...

Seriously, I love Sonic games and don't understand why everyone thinks they are going downhill.

 

[Dolla Billz Don't Lie Nygga]

^ Except for the fact that the Genesis Sonic games DEFINED speed.

Except for the fact that you're wrong.

Sonic wasn't fast except in 3D?

Yep, that's what I said.

Have you ever played Sonic on the Genesis, or for that matter, if you play modern stuff only, the Sonic Advance games?

How dare you tell me I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Yes, I've played ALL Genesis and Game Gear Sonic's. Maybe the newer 2D Sonic's are fast. I wouldn't know since I never played nor cared to play any of them. (As far as I'm concerned, everything has gone to **** since the new character cast along with the stupid Chao-raising crap that people now stupidly like for some ******** reason.) Sonic 1, 2, and 3 on the Geneisis ALL consisted of all multiple level in which you have to STAND and WAIT for platforms. As well as TIME the retractable spikes/hazards so that you DON'T get hit. Unless your idea of "fast" is getting hit every 5 seconds or aimlesly falling into a pit. In 3D Sonic's, you RARELY ever stopped moving for anything.

I think you'll see just how fast the 2D sonic was.

Lava Reef Zone was NOT fast. Mystic Cave was NOT fast. Metropolis Zone was NOT fast. Scrap Brain Zone was NOT fast. I can list off like several others, but this is getting repetitive pretty quickly.

 

[Dark Luna]

I agree that Sonic games have gone downhill. I mean, the last good one was Secret Rings. And before that it was Shadow the Hedgehog. And before that it was Sonic Heroes. And before that...

Seriously, I love Sonic games and don't understand why everyone thinks they are going downhill.

They are going downhill, played Sonic the Hedgehog? Secret rings was okay I suppose, Rush was good, but everything else isn't. Sonic started going downhill after Adventure 2. The Nintendo released games are the only games that have been good since.

Can you honestly say that Sonic the Hedgehog or Shadow the Hedgehog were any good? No.

 

[BananaNut]

Except for the fact that you're wrong.

Yep, that's what I said.
How dare you tell me I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Yes, I've played ALL Genesis and Game Gear Sonic's. Maybe the newer 2D Sonic's are fast. I wouldn't know since I never played nor cared to play any of them. (As far as I'm concerned, everything has gone to **** since the new character cast along with the stupid Chao-raising crap that people now stupidly like for some ******** reason.) Sonic 1, 2, and 3 on the Geneisis ALL consisted of all multiple level in which you have to STAND and WAIT for platforms. As well as TIME the retractable spikes/hazards so that you DON'T get hit. Unless your idea of "fast" is getting hit every 5 seconds or aimlesly falling into a pit. In 3D Sonic's, you RARELY ever stopped moving for anything.

Well, sorry, but it doesn't seem like you were a good sonic player then.
DENINED

 

[Polar_Bear]

Can you honestly say that Sonic the Hedgehog or Shadow the Hedgehog were any good? No.

Yes I can

Well, I can't say for Sonic the Hedgehog, because I haven't played it, but I have played and enjoyed Shadow. I think the comments about the controls and camera were way out of proportion.

I've had more fun with these "mediocre" games than with "classics" like Super Mario 64.

 

[Got Blood?]

Except for the fact that you're wrong.

Yep, that's what I said.
How dare you tell me I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Yes, I've played ALL Genesis and Game Gear Sonic's. Maybe the newer 2D Sonic's are fast. I wouldn't know since I never played nor cared to play any of them. (As far as I'm concerned, everything has gone to **** since the new character cast along with the stupid Chao-raising crap that people now stupidly like for some ******** reason.) Sonic 1, 2, and 3 on the Geneisis ALL consisted of all multiple level in which you have to STAND and WAIT for platforms. As well as TIME the retractable spikes/hazards so that you DON'T get hit. Unless your idea of "fast" is getting hit every 5 seconds or aimlesly falling into a pit. In 3D Sonic's, you RARELY ever stopped moving for anything.
Lava Reef Zone was NOT fast. Mystic Cave was NOT fast. Metropolis Zone was NOT fast. Scrap Brain Zone was NOT fast. I can list off like several others, but this is getting repetitive pretty quickly.

I can't tell whether your ignorant or stupid,so I'll just presume both. Sorry that the 2D Sonic games weren't just landscape without enemies or obstacles,but then again, would that really be a platformer? Why don't you quit bashing on great games and go do something constructive with your time.

 

[smashbro29]

rush was awesome! the stages were bigger so running that much was necessary also in order to kill enemies instead of spinning you pressed y and "rushed"(i think that's what it's called)

 

[Dolla Billz Don't Lie Nygga]

Well, sorry, but it doesn't seem like you were a good sonic player then.
DENINED

Seeing as my clear times in the Genesis titles are within 15 seconds of the world record's, you basically lose. Nice try though, idiot.

I can't tell whether your ignorant or stupid,so I'll just presume both.

...and you say I'm ignorant...

Sorry that the 2D Sonic games weren't just landscape without enemies or obstacles,but then again, would that really be a platformer?

I didn't say anything like that. Stop taking me out of context just to make yourself sound smart. I SAID the 2-D Sonic's weren't really all that fast. Maybe they were fast relative to other platformers, but the whole zipped through levels at breakneck speed is the biggest exaggeration I've ever heard in my life. Every SA1 Sonic/Tails stage (except Casinopolis) is 5 times more fast-paced than any 2-D classic Sonic game ever was. And yet people, LIKE YOU, like to piss and moan about the 3-D Sonic's "being slowed down". Pretty ****ing ridiculous... Keep in mind I never claimed the 3-D Sonic's were excellent masterpieces like the 2-D's were, so don't go making up more bull**** that I didn't say.

Why don't you quit bashing on great games

Yet again, something I didn't do. You must be both ignorant AND stupid.

and go do something constructive with your time.

lol...like you, right?

 

[Warlock*G]

Oh yeah. Dolla bills don't lie for sure.

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On topic... I think Sonic may have been a letdown for some, as well as the star of a couple of fun 3D games for some others. Yeah, stop thinking you're the center of the universe, some people (not me though) like those 3D games. When you'll stop thinking you're the center of the universe, then *maybe* you'll also stop thnking Sakurai "owes" you a "good" (whatever that means) update on Christmas, your birthday, September eleven, December 3 or whatever.

 

[Xanderous]

Sonic had four good games and the rest aren't anything special. Still fun though.
Brawl's Sonic is a major success if you ask me. Can't wait to play him.

 

[Machspeed]

Sonic's let down in Brawl for me (just about the only one) is his floaty airgame... was hoping for as you sped up you could shoot through the sky kind of like Falcon in melee...

Every game since Sonic Adventure Battle 2 for me has been a let down from the Sonic Team.

 

[Got Blood?]

Seeing as my clear times in the Genesis titles are within 15 seconds of the world record's, you basically lose. Nice try though, idiot.

We're all very impressed.No really.

I SAID the 2-D Sonic's weren't really all that fast. Maybe they were fast relative to other platformers,

That's what I've been saying.Compared to Mario games and Zelda games it was an incredible feeling of speed.If you're comparing it to going down a huge hill on a skateboard or something,then of course the game is slow but remember,it IS just a video game.[/quote]

but the whole zipped through levels at breakneck speed is the biggest exaggeration I've ever heard in my life.

I felt that the game was very fast.Of course it was compared to other games at the time though,what are else are you trying to compare it to,racing speedboats?

Every SA1 Sonic/Tails stage (except Casinopolis) is 5 times more fast-paced than any 2-D classic Sonic game ever was.

The 2D and 3D games to me have different senses of speed.The 2D ones seemed to be just pure speed and it was like watching Sonic blow throw everything at his speed. The 3D ones were cool because you could zip through a new world which you couldn't do with 2D.Whichever one you like is fine,but don't go bashing on the other series.

And yet people, LIKE YOU, like to piss and moan about the 3-D Sonic's "being slowed down". Pretty ****ing ridiculous... Keep in mind I never claimed the 3-D Sonic's were excellent masterpieces like the 2-D's were, so don't go making up more bull**** that I didn't say.

No idea where this came from, cause I know I never said that. If you do find it though,make sure to quote me on it.

 

[Warlock*G]

Oh good. So Got Blood takes the past Sonic games as speedy compared to the other games in their time, while Dolla Bill is defending the 3D Sonic games on the basis that they're still faster than any 2D Sonic ever produced.

There's no real conflict here folks. Shake hands will ya?

That got me thinking, I got the Sonic Collection on GCN... maybe I should give it a try. I should get to Scrapbrain again, I loved that stage. The whole game actually... memories.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Sonic's let down in Brawl for me (just about the only one) is his floaty airgame... was hoping for as you sped up you could shoot through the sky kind of like Falcon in melee...

Every game since Sonic Adventure Battle 2 for me has been a let down from the Sonic Team.

Even Sonic Rush?

 

[FrogButler]

Sonic Rush was AWESOME.

 

[Machspeed]

Even Sonic Rush?

Honestly, never played it. I stopped buying Sonic games after Sonic Heroes (Shadow the Hedgehog was just...)

 

[redphoenix526]

Hey, speaking of Sonic letdowns, anyone here who listens to the SMYN podcast (or last night's part) notice how much Gimpyfish seemed disappointed in Sonic's Final Smash? Now, say something if I am in the wrong here, but he mentioned that moves "clash" with Super Sonic and he and SamuraiPanda brought up air dodging as a way to evade him (reading from the Dojo update). I think they almost made it sound like Sonic would just waste the Smash Ball in tournaments (if they're in tournaments) by flying around and people just dodging and clashing it unless someone else hit another person off and Sonic prevented the recovery. In other words, it would only work in games with more than one opponent, and then it still wouldn't be effective if people just dodge and clash it.

Apologies to Gimpyfish and SamuraiPanda if I just completely missed the point here.

Despite this, and if this ends up to be what happens in the final game (referring to the clashing with Super Sonic), I will still probably main him. I don't think he'll be quite this let-down we keep talking about in the final game, so we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Yes, the clash is a letdown. Maybe it was to balance it, but even if it was, it seems like a poor attempt

 

[Naoshi]

Even Sonic Rush?

Personally, I don't think Sonic Rush was that great aside from the special stages. It wasn't a let down for sure though. I thought Advance 3 was sorta better.

It's a shame the good games like Rush and Advance 3 are only side games.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Personally, I don't think Sonic Rush was that great aside from the special stages. It wasn't a let down for sure though. I thought Advance 3 was sorta better.

It's a shame the good games like Rush and Advance 3 are only side games.

That's my point. They aren't let-downs.

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

Hopefully they take out the whole clash cancel thing on Sonic's final smash. Even if they don't though, it's still in no means a waste. If you know what you're doing with it, it's still a free kill. It's just not as broken as it first seemed to be. Still one of the better ones imo.

 

[redphoenix526]

Hopefully they take out the whole clash cancel thing on Sonic's final smash. Even if they don't though, it's still in no means a waste. If you know what you're doing with it, it's still a free kill. It's just not as broken as it first seemed to be. Still one of the better ones imo.

Well, I guess we'll have to see what happens.

 

[SonicMario]

Sakauri didn't mention the clash in the update, but of course that may not mean a thing. But Gimpyfish still said it was one of the best in the E for All reports thread in General Brawl.

 

[smashbro29]

only 4 sonic series are a letdown rivals next-gen and labrynth and to some riders shadow wasn't a complete letdown

 

[SonicMario]

Shadow the Hedgehog didn't only start a critic rage. It is also the cause of the n00bs that say Shadow > Tails or Knuckles. Heck, one of the endings make some n00bs say Shadow > Sonic. It's one of the main reasosn why much of the fanbase that has been fans since 2002 or earlier doesn't like Shadow the Hedgehog.

 

[smashbro29]

i meant gameplay-wise

 

[Dolla Billz Don't Lie Nygga]

That's what I've been saying.Compared to Mario games and Zelda games it was an incredible feeling of speed.If you're comparing it to going down a huge hill on a skateboard or something,then of course the game is slow but remember,it IS just a video game.

I felt that the game was very fast.Of course it was compared to other games at the time though,what are else are you trying to compare it to,racing speedboats?

It must be a pathetically-sad hobby of yours to take everything I say out of context. I was comparing the 2-D Sonic to other Genesis games of it's era, obviously. Besides other platform games, what the hell else would it make sense to compare it to? Seriously...common freaking sense. Saying the Genesis Sonic games defined speed only makes sense if you're talking about other platformers in general. The way most gamers act is as if 2-D Sonic games offered the fastest gameplay ever which sure as hell was not the case. The 3-D Sonic's on the other hand...I can't think of any game that gave me a better sense of speed with the exception of F-Zero GX.

only 4 sonic series are a letdown

I'd say those 4 are:
- Sonic 3D Blast
- Sonic Labyrinth
- Sonic Heroes
- and possibly the Secret Rings (never played it, but what I feared about it is true according to SiD)

 

[spindash]

Yes, the clash is a letdown. Maybe it was to balance it, but even if it was, it seems like a poor attempt

Personally, I find the clash to be a good thing for Super Sonic. Without it, in the hands of a Sonic master when the game hits the more competitive scene (AND if they allowed Smash Balls which is kind of unlikely), there would be plenty of easy kills in my opinion. I mean, sure, you can dodge him in the air as well, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that if you slow down and CONTROL Sonic's trajectory, that you'll get many serious hits in and it'll hurt like heck.

Besides. I find the clash to be epic. XD You're up against the odds when facing off against Super Sonic, left to run...

So what do you do? Pray that he always misses as you cower and play it smart? Or do you stand and fight against the odds and fend off Super Sonic yourself? I'd prefer the latter. Epic.

Sheer epic.

 

[Got Blood?]

@Dolla Byllz: I'm not going to even continue arguing with you about anything. We both are basically saying the same thing and whenever I try and make a point, you counter it with" eWe take EvEYtHING ouT oF coNTeXt!11!" so it's pretty pointless I guess. Agree to disagree.

So what do you do? Pray that he always misses as you cower and play it smart? Or do you stand and fight against the odds and fend off Super Sonic yourself? I'd prefer the latter. Epic.
Sheer epic.

Agreed 100%

 

[Dolla Billz Don't Lie Nygga]

" eWe take EvEYtHING ouT oF coNTeXt!11!"

Good job mimicking how I type. [/sarcasm]

Personally, I find the clash to be a good thing for Super Sonic. Without it, in the hands of a Sonic master when the game hits the more competitive scene (AND if they allowed Smash Balls which is kind of unlikely), there would be plenty of easy kills in my opinion. I mean, sure, you can dodge him in the air as well, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that if you slow down and CONTROL Sonic's trajectory, that you'll get many serious hits in and it'll hurt like heck.

Besides. I find the clash to be epic. XD You're up against the odds when facing off against Super Sonic, left to run...

So what do you do? Pray that he always misses as you cower and play it smart? Or do you stand and fight against the odds and fend off Super Sonic yourself? I'd prefer the latter. Epic.

Sheer epic.

That is true. And also it represents Super Sonic well as the games did....invincible and YET he can still be slowed down.

 

[redphoenix526]

Sakauri didn't mention the clash in the update, but of course that may not mean a thing. But Gimpyfish still said it was one of the best in the E for All reports thread in General Brawl.

Yeah, I've seen Gimpyfish's Brawl Impressions thread, but he sounded more disappointed about it in the SMYN podcast (Episode 26 Part 2, for reference). It makes me wonder if he's changed his opinion based on some of the other Final Smashes mentioned on the Dojo, or on the basis of something I don't know about. And, given the official update's mention of dodging the Final Smash, it just seems odd to me that it's easy to clash AND to dodge.

Since Sakurai didn't mention the clash, overspeculation would go to make the claim that this has been fixed for the final version; however, I'm not going to speculate on it.

 

[Got Blood?]

Clash or not,Super Sonic is stull an awesome FS.

 

[Dolla Billz Don't Lie Nygga]

Yeah, I've seen Gimpyfish's Brawl Impressions thread, but he sounded more disappointed about it in the SMYN podcast (Episode 26 Part 2, for reference). It makes me wonder if he's changed his opinion based on some of the other Final Smashes mentioned on the Dojo, or on the basis of something I don't know about. And, given the official update's mention of dodging the Final Smash, it just seems odd to me that it's easy to clash AND to dodge.

Since Sakurai didn't mention the clash, overspeculation would go to make the claim that this has been fixed for the final version; however, I'm not going to speculate on it.

Yeah I followed the podcast as well. By the looks of it, some people are dissappointed in the clash. Personally, I'm indifferent. Although, I find it weird that Sakurai would go without mentioning it. However, it's not like regular clashes in Melee and SSB64 were ever documented in the manual...we just kinda took them for what they were. Either way the clash is a really small piece of the pie and the fact it that when Super Sonic appears, common sense would tell you to dodge rather than to attack head on.