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Sonic General Discussion/Social thread
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Vultron
Smash Apprentice
Many characters can do things like Nair out of it at lower percents.
Lex__
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if they di' its very hard to hit, and lots of chars have quick rising nairs to counter it if you are slow enough. overall its risky when you can upthrow and pretty much always get something off it.
also some chars its just damn hard to hit.
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Luk
Smash Journeyman
What the above folks said.
That being said, I go for this all the time (probably too much). Unlike in that clip from Lex__ though, I usually try a short hop before going out.
I feel like if I just run off, my spacing is almost always off (I'm too low). If I try SH off, my timing is off and/or they've been given enough time to get a hitbox out. So it feels like a damned if I do, damned if I don't sort of thing.
Vultron
Smash Apprentice
I usually just follow with a SideB offstage and then stuff their double jump with a Nair and set up an edgeguard back air.
Vultron
Smash Apprentice
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Vultron
Smash Apprentice
Late Fair
Lex__
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nair is also an under apreciated move, very easy to hit, specially when using rising aerial off the edge with it, you can easily gimp lots of characters with all hitboxes, late or early.
Edit : Im stupid wrote fair instead of nair.
Also anyone noticed how silly sonics grab box on his jumps, you get like 1.5x when you not jumping.
Edit : Im stupid wrote fair instead of nair.
Also anyone noticed how silly sonics grab box on his jumps, you get like 1.5x when you not jumping.
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archedmaid
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Does anyone just think Red Hot Sonic when they see his red team color?
Solharath
[ZTD] CEO
That is not a name I have heard in many, many years.
archedmaid
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Its literally the reason I play Red Hot over any of the alts, although I have rarely played that specific hack it just sticks.
Luk
Smash Journeyman
Just noticed something while messing around in training mode. I've noticed from time to time Sonic's Down-b will suddenly seem to just cancel on a platform when I screw up an input. I think I just figured out what it is.
I'm sure this is well known already, but just for funzies I thought I'd make a video.
The platforms on Battlefield (and possibly other stages? I dunno, didn't test any others) seem to be just the right height for the following to work: Down-b on the ground, then jump and just as Sonic reaches the height of the platform, double-jump -> wave-dash. When done just right, it almost seems like Sonic just stops his down-b spinning instantly. As you can see in the video, my timing is not great, but I got it just about right once or twice and toward the end I think you can see that it may be faster than canceling with l-canceled d-air.
I'm sure this is well known already, but just for funzies I thought I'd make a video.
The platforms on Battlefield (and possibly other stages? I dunno, didn't test any others) seem to be just the right height for the following to work: Down-b on the ground, then jump and just as Sonic reaches the height of the platform, double-jump -> wave-dash. When done just right, it almost seems like Sonic just stops his down-b spinning instantly. As you can see in the video, my timing is not great, but I got it just about right once or twice and toward the end I think you can see that it may be faster than canceling with l-canceled d-air.
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Solharath
[ZTD] CEO
It'd be faster and safer to learn to autocancel your uair on startup than do what you're saying outright, since you don't lose your DJ if you happen to be hit before you hit the ground. Uair is frame perfect to cancel(and my god does it annoy when you do, but not as bad as fair, mind).
For those not in the know, uair can autocancel on a platform as you're rising through it, and instead of performing the move you just find yourself standing there with no landing lag. It's frame perfect on jump, you have ~2 frames to pull it off on spring on FoD and Battlefield's top platforms, and good luck timing it on Delfino's secret.
For those not in the know, uair can autocancel on a platform as you're rising through it, and instead of performing the move you just find yourself standing there with no landing lag. It's frame perfect on jump, you have ~2 frames to pull it off on spring on FoD and Battlefield's top platforms, and good luck timing it on Delfino's secret.
Luk
Smash Journeyman
Interesting. That was entirely unknown tech for me. That is one small window though and I can't for the life of me get it to work out of down-b.
GabPR
Smash Lord
I would only try vs characters with really bad vertical recovery like bowser and DK, and I would still only do it when reaching mid percents since if people meteor cancel quick enough it will put Sonic in a bad position. On a side note, people need more nair on shield to DACG (Dash Attack cancel grab) and more Downthrow into rapid down b in their life.
NyTR0
Smash Apprentice
Yeah the wave dash on platforms from down b is something I've been working on a for a while now. Neat.
Motobug
Project M/+ community leader
Zenokidz also made it out
DireDrop
Smash Journeyman
So yeah. 3.6 Sonic is permanent. I'm thinking about getting back into this game now that there are no more updates.
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Luk
Smash Journeyman
Hot dog! This was one of the first positive things I thought after first hearing the disbandment news.
Welcome back! Come help us develop some serious meta, eh?
Kei_Takaro
Smash Lord
--Crossing fingers for Wizzy--
Luk
Smash Journeyman
Oh god, Wizzy was so good. And the stuff that made him good wasn't the silly tech that's since been removed. Hope he comes back.
Kei_Takaro
Smash Lord
I remember from somewhere, he said he'd go back to PM once it reaches Gold. Get hype?!?
I think that a good amount of it is that Sonic forces a specific playstyle to fight against. Most people realize that committing a move against sonic allows him to easily punish because of his speed, so they end up becoming campy. Sonic is a bait and punish character and can be campy in return. Most people find this campy playstyle boring.
That's my 2 cents anyway
Star ☆
No Problem!
I don't think there's an specific element of his playstyle that makes him annoying to other people per se, it's likely the fact that a lot of his moves look and sound similar. Sonic is inherently an annoying character in terms of voice and appearance to some people as well so that might be part of it haha
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Kei_Takaro
Smash Lord
Was reviewing some old Wizzy CEO and Darky videos in my harddrive, I noticed that they move/get around the stage pretty fast compared to how I play, anyone here wanna share how they fare in doing/practicing perfect wavelands?