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Grahamaglam

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1: Priority doesn't exist in any smash game in any form other than port priority. No move has inherit advantage over another. What gives the illusion of priority (especially in 64) are the huge disjointed hitboxes of some attacks as compared to others. Aerial attacks will always trade if hitboxes/hurtboxes interact, even for aerial vs ground moves. Ground vs ground will clank. Also, one hitbox beating out another hitbox because it's difference is greater than the clanking threshold isn't priority. Dk puch beating out fox's jab isnt priority, it just obliterates the other hitbox. Priority might be the most misused terms in smash.

2: I wanted to keep the other thread on topic.

C: I'm sorry if it came off as a bit rude and agressive or unwarranted. I tried to make the post absurd so it would be taken a bit more lightly, but it seems otherwise.
 
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Frieddo

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Hello there! ^^
I'm, or to be exact we (Sodrek, Ixac, JuinSasuke and I) are from Germany.

We are Sm4sh competitive players and we're participating in BEAST VI.
Here's the thing, our budget is quite low and we're not willing to pay 100 bucks/day for a hotel, because of that very reason.
So, and I beg you, is there anyone who lives near Gothenburg who could house us of from the 19th of february till the 21st?

We would highly appreciate your help! :) Really!

P.S. : Sodrek also plays Brawl and Melee competitively and the other guys, including me, are interested in playing them, including SSB64. ^^

 

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I understand the hitbox hurtbox relation between attacks. I guess what I'm confused about are attacks like dk's and ness's recovery. Ness's recovery for example is really strong when first initiated but is very weak on the second half - You can use a weak move like jab to hit him out of it that gets obliterated closer to the point of initiation. The hitbox remains the same size on ness and is located in the same spot throughout the moves entirety as well as his hurtbox and he seems to be travelling at the same speed. If priority doesn't exist then what is happening to create these obvious levels of different strengths? This effect doesn't seem to exist or is at least less noticable in other games. Or maybe I'm just on crack and am actually hitting ness once the move is over? I could swear I've done it while he's still in animation though. Spinning kong seems to have the same effect to an extent but because he spins slower near the end I'd assume it just has something to do with the wall of hitboxes he is throwing out.

Clear this up for me and I won't utter the word "priority" again :ness:

EDIT: so looking at it again with a fresh set of eyes and experimenting a little maybe this illusion I had of it being stronger or weaker just has to do with the simple fact that the attack being out longer gives the opponent more time to react with proper spacing. If thats all it is sorry for being dumb lol.
 
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Grahamaglam

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In regards to both DK's and Ness's up b's, DK has invincibility frames for the first 5 frames of the up b and for the next 40 frames, his hands are invincible. After half way, his hands are no longer invincible and also has weak hitboxes during the later half of his recovery which is what probably gives the impression that the move has lost 'priority'.

For Ness, he is invincible for the first 9 frames upon hitting himself and the hitbox stays out for 18 frames. For the next 25 frames he has no hitbox and is stuck in the attack animation. Furthermore, if Ness lands on the stage after his recovery, he has 43 frames of lag from the get up animation.
 
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Uair

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1: Priority doesn't exist in any smash game in any form other than port priority. No move has inherit advantage over another. What gives the illusion of priority (especially in 64) are the huge disjointed hitboxes of some attacks as compared to others. Aerial attacks will always trade if hitboxes/hurtboxes interact, even for aerial vs ground moves. Ground vs ground will clank. Also, one hitbox beating out another hitbox because it's difference is greater than the clanking threshold isn't priority. Dk puch beating out fox's jab isnt priority, it just obliterates the other hitbox. Priority might be the most misused terms in smash.

2: I wanted to keep the other thread on topic.

C: I'm sorry if it came off as a bit rude and agressive or unwarranted. I tried to make the post absurd so it would be taken a bit more lightly, but it seems otherwise.
Okay so this makes sense. The literal sizing of the hitbox is what determines if the hit is neglected or not. For "weak knockback" on the hitbox it must be when the characters hitbox is only caught by the corners or very edges of the hitbox.

Proof



More






Hitbox volume = Base Priority
 
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Uair

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You're wrong. Priority does exist, it occurs when two ground attacks collide only in hitboxes
Also valid argument, why is it that some moves in exact same hitbox volume matchups ignore this fact based on %, just not as drastic as certain ones that always hit like ness utilt
 

Uair

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Okay so hitbox volume to an extent does determine whether or not you will hit, however when hitbox volumes are closer together they can be neglected over a smaller one or equal size one due to %.



ness utilt is fkn huge



tl;dr Priority exists.
 
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Shears Shears You're a cool guy.

You showed reddit what you're made of.
**** reddit lol. I've never seen so many whiny little ******* in my entire life. 99% of those people are crying because I called them soft. What did these kids do in school when they got a test back and the teacher marked a question wrong? Throw a temper tantrum and cry to the principal and say the teacher shouldn't be allowed to tell them they're wrong and the world should be a socialist ***** no child left behind hipster where everyone is always right and nothing ever gets done on this planet? I really do hate this species.
 

kahnuuuu

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any of you punks remember me

im looking back at my posts from last year and now i can see why you guys hated me LMAO

Someone catch me up on whats happened?

Is Madao dead?
Did Sangoku come back?
Am I Sangoku?
Anything changed?
Why is cuddly on the forums and not getting destroyed in Kaillera?
? ? ?
 
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Uair

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any of you punks remember me

im looking back at my posts from last year and now i can see why you guys hated me LMAO

Someone catch me up on whats happened?

Is Madao dead?
Did Sangoku come back?
Am I Sangoku?
Anything changed?
Why is cuddly on the forums and not getting destroyed in Kaillera?
? ? ?
Nobody knows who you are.
 

caneut

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any of you punks remember me

im looking back at my posts from last year and now i can see why you guys hated me LMAO

Someone catch me up on whats happened?

Is Madao dead?
Did Sangoku come back?
Am I Sangoku?
Anything changed?
Why is cuddly on the forums and not getting destroyed in Kaillera?
? ? ?
sup kid
Nobody knows who you are.
shut up smasherx
 

Uair

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shut up smasherx
What's your problem? Why do you come on kaillera just to mute me and ragequit first stock in smash? You have been nothing but a troll and nuisance since I made you return. Leave me alone, you're not good at smash, you're not clever or have bars, you're just cringe. Please, stop.
 

Grahamaglam

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What's your problem? Why do you come on kaillera just to mute me and ragequit first stock in smash? You have been nothing but a troll and nuisance since I made you return. Leave me alone, you're not good at smash, you're not clever or have bars, you're just cringe. Please, stop.
Why aren't you banned yet for an obvious alternate account and ban evasion?
 
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B Link

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Wat. I like the hazelnut coffee they used to serve here at the Tim Hortons in Canada. Mmm

Looks like we've all migrated to the Facebook NA group now, :(. It was nice knowing you smashboards.
 

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I don't think this merits its own thread so I'll just post here.

Hai, it's TS. Yesterday I had the wonderful pleasure of playing some games with Cuddlytoys (aka Lumi). /s

On the boards they may act nice enough, but if you ever play Cuddly in-game and win then Cuddly absolutely LOSES it. It's really really bad, and I would like to share my experience with others so they may avoid this incredible display of poor sportsmanship.

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I decided to enter the server Outer Heaven I yesterday since it had more players than Smash FU at the time. I start a new match but within the first few minutes Cuddly challenges me to some dittos. They basically said they had a friend with them and wanted to show him the matches. The friend's nick is ColdFUsion and he hosts the game. Well I join up and decide to play some games with Cuddly after a loooong time of not interacting with them due to their known inability to deal with losses and past aggression (and slight creeping). I thought that just maybe they wanted to finally patch things up and have some friendlies.

LOL NOPE

(Recorded with FRAPS which doesn't record lag in its totality)

Copy/paste of chat during the matches: http://pastebin.com/q6nwYhps (It gets better the farther down you read)

Cuddly plays many many matches vs me even though ColdFUsion wanted a turn. The entire set was played through 50FPS lag, dropping as low as 15-30FPS at times. Not being able to take a loss, Cuddly slowly but steadily devolved into a trash-talking, ridiculous display of poor sportsmanship and aggression. When they finally took a win at the end (due to the FPS dropping to around 15FPS, and confirmed by ColdFUsion in the chat copy/paste) they decided to discredit all other games played before and count this as the official win. After some more trash talk on both me and their (former) friend for backing me up, they ragequitted to the main chat to continue saying demeaning and incredibly rude insults, as well as things like "CUDDLY NUMBER 1 BEST YOSHI! ^.^". Meanwhile ColdFUsion asked me for some friendlies and we played several matches more. He was such a breath of relief after playing Cuddly, much more chill and easy to get along with.

I don't think Cuddlytoys should be banned from the boards, they seem nice enough here. But to everyone who wants to play against Cuddly, just be mindful of the type of person they really are.

ty

EDIT: To clarify, the lag was Cuddly's. My set vs ColdFUsion after Cuddly left had next to no lag at all, 60FPS the entire time.
 
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