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[MooMew64]

...I still wanna play SwSh, TBH.

 

[Cosmic77]

Really, everything that's being pointed out is what's been known since June, only now we have definitive proof of something that we were already 95% sure of already.

I understand that people are upset, but this point has been run into the ground, and I think a majority of people are just done with the SwSh discussions altogether, not that I blame them. Nothing about this speculation cycle has been fun, and it's virtually impossible to have a normal conversation on why you're excited for SwSh without someone having an almost instinctive need to interject and say, "Yeah, but did you know they decided to not do this? Pretty bad stuff, am I right?" Then you have virtually every flaw being shoved in your face and compiled into a convenient list just in case you have a bad memory and somehow forgot one of the various reasons why your $60 is better spent elsewhere.

I can't speak for everyone, but I just want to play SwSh firsthand so I can finally make my own opinions instead of having angry people online graciously decide what my own opinions should be.

 

[Lamperouge]

Yeah, go ahead!
I want to hear the details of how bad it is, honestly. Can you tag me if you make a "how I felt about SS" post?

Sure.

It's gonna be a while, tho.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I’ve been told by a friend who knows their way around modeling, rigging, and all relevant things to modeling that the Reddit post people have been talking about is likely not the actual case, because thats not how importing works.

I don’t know anything about that, but the whole situation is a mess.

 

[Deleted member]

I FOUND THE SAUCE Source!

 

[Shroob]

Sauce Source for where Arlo said he's in support of protesting SWSD?

I mean he literally uploaded a video a few hours ago about it so...

 

[Deleted member]

I mean he literally uploaded a video a few hours ago about it so...

did you not see my above post lmao
watching it rn

 

[MainJPW]

You would hate to live where I am then.

It never snows here

We get ice storms more often than we get snow...which is considerably much worse.

 

[MooMew64]

I don't feel comfortable accusing them of lying without having all the facts of what happened behind the scenes.

...Which is never gonna happen, so I'm honestly neautral on this subject. Yeah, dex cut was dumb, but I never had high expectations personally in the first place. It's a Pokemon; they're never knock your socks off games.

To quote Jirad The Completionist: I'm happy if you're happy. I'm sorry if you're upset. I like video games.

I think SwSh looks like another fun Pokemon. I'm gonna buy and play it on launch. However, if you're upset at GF and TPC, I understand and won't argue questionable decisions were made. I personally think the game still looks like a good time.

 

[Shroob]

Really, everything that's being pointed out is what's been known since June, only now we have definitive proof of something that we were already 95% sure of already.

I understand that people are upset, but this point has been run into the ground, and I think a majority of people are just done with the SwSh discussions altogether, not that I blame them. Nothing about this speculation cycle has been fun, and it's virtually impossible to have a normal conversation on why you're excited for SwSh without someone having an almost instinctive need to interject and say, "Yeah, but did you know they decided to not do this? Pretty bad stuff, am I right?" Then you have virtually every flaw being shoved in your face and compiled into a convenient list just in case you have a bad memory and somehow forgot one of the various reasons why your $60 is better spent elsewhere.

I can't speak for everyone, but I just want to play SwSh firsthand so I can finally make my own opinions instead of having angry people online graciously decide what my own opinions should be.

I honestly don't even mind that the models are reused, it's Pokemon, it's not about the graphics.

It's the fact that Masuda straight up lied.

Any other developer would be raked over the coals for lying like this, I don't see why Masuda gets a free pass aside from people being loyal to the Pokemon brand.

 

[Deleted member]

I honestly don't even mind that the models are reused, it's Pokemon, it's not about the graphics.

It's the fact that Masuda straight up lied.

Any other developer would be raked over the coals for lying like this, I don't see why Masuda gets a free pass aside from people being loyal to the Pokemon brand.

Masuda abuses his power a bit too much.

 

[MooMew64]

Don't think anyone deserves to be "raked over the coals" TBH.

Internet hate mobs are toxic as all get go. Voicing disappointment and blatantly attacking a person are two different things.

 

[Shroob]

Todd Howard, Randy Pitchford, Peter Molyneux, etc

All have been called out when they lie.


I don't see what makes Masuda leaps and bounds ahead of the rest. He straight up lied to the consumer, he's just a man. A man at the head of the biggest multi-billion dollar ip, but a man nonetheless. This doesn't make him better than anyone, and when he lies to millions of people, you're damn right he deserves to be called out for it.

 

[Deleted member]

edit: sorry about that. It duplicated Please delete
Edit again: oh no the first one it’s gone

 

[MooMew64]

Not when we don't have all the facts. It also depends on how it's done. He is still a human being and should be treated with the same amount of respect we'd wish ourselves to be treated with.

If he lied, that is a shame, and hopefully he'll apologize and perhaps things will take a turn for the better. But he's also more than likely being bombarded, cussed out, and treated like garbage because of a video game of all things. Something as inconsequential as that is enough to get people's blood boiling enough that without context, you'd think people were arguing about political issue and not just giving criticism to a video game franchise.

I won't tell anyone how to feel. All I ask is maybe for some more empathy and compassion, as man have I seen very little of both on both sides of this stupid Pokemon debate.

 

[Shroob]

Not when we don't have all the facts. It also depends on how it's done. He is still a human being and should be treated with the same amount of respect we'd wish ourselves to be treated with.

If he lied, that is a shame, and hopefully he'll apologize and perhaps things will take a turn for the better. But he's also more than likely being bombarded, cussed out, and treated like garbage because of a video game of all things. Something as inconsequential as that is enough to get people's blood boiling enough that without context, you'd think people were arguing about political issue and not just giving criticism to a video game franchise.

I won't tell anyone how to feel. All I ask is maybe for some more empathy and compassion, as man have I seen very little of both on both sides of this stupid Pokemon debate.

Sorry, but no.

If you're going to be the head of a massive project, it is 100% in your best interest to be truthful and transparent with the consumer.

Lying to them is ****ing abhorrent, and from a business perspective could be career suicide.

Respect is hard to gain and easy to lose. You don't lie to the faces of millions of fans, because you WILL get found out.

 

[Deleted member]

Ok let me do this again and hopefully nothing bad happens

so someone decided to render in the css making it the perfect rectangle again and this is what it looks like

and if it goes over this amount then it crashes

so here’s what I want to ask you somthing

what are your predictions to the empty 11 squares are?

 

[Deleted member]

Ok let me do this again and hopefully nothing bad happens

so someone decided to render in the css making it the perfect rectangle again and this is what it looks like
View attachment 246453
and if it goes over this amount then it crashes

so here’s what I want to ask you somthing

what are your predictions to the empty 11 squares are?

Mostly first party characters.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

90 (92 if you countseparate with) would be a dream come true...

 

[Deleted member]

Ok let me do this again and hopefully nothing bad happens

so someone decided to render in the css making it the perfect rectangle again and this is what it looks like
View attachment 246453
and if it goes over this amount then it crashes

so here’s what I want to ask you somthing

what are your predictions to the empty 11 squares are?

No predictions, but rather who I would fill the 11 spots with if I had the power to do so:

-Athena from Psycho Soldier
-Pauline
-Mach Rider
-Adeleine
-Guybrush Treepwood
-Eggman
-Hayabusa
-Reimu
-Saber
-Artorias
-Doomguy

 

[Shroob]

Ok let me do this again and hopefully nothing bad happens

so someone decided to render in the css making it the perfect rectangle again and this is what it looks like
View attachment 246453
and if it goes over this amount then it crashes

so here’s what I want to ask you somthing

what are your predictions to the empty 11 squares are?

I'd say

2 more years of suffering sounds about right.

 

[MooMew64]

Sorry, but no.

If you're going to be the head of a massive project, it is 100% in your best interest to be truthful and transparent with the consumer.

Lying to them is ****ing abhorrent, and from a business perspective could be career suicide.

Respect is hard to gain and easy to lose. You don't lie to the faces of millions of fans, because you WILL get found out.

That doesn't excuse ANY of the things I've seen thrown at the man.

People had the nerve to post crud at him while he was asking if people were safe after a hurricane. After sharing pictures of a friend's wedding There is NEVER an excuse to treat someone like dirt, especially over such inconsequential things as entertainment.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Not when we don't have all the facts. It also depends on how it's done. He is still a human being and should be treated with the same amount of respect we'd wish ourselves to be treated with.

If he lied, that is a shame, and hopefully he'll apologize and perhaps things will take a turn for the better. But he's also more than likely being bombarded, cussed out, and treated like garbage because of a video game of all things. Something as inconsequential as that is enough to get people's blood boiling enough that without context, you'd think people were arguing about political issue and not just giving criticism to a video game franchise.

I won't tell anyone how to feel. All I ask is maybe for some more empathy and compassion, as man have I seen very little of both on both sides of this stupid Pokemon debate.

This whole ****ty **** with this ****ing stupid game wouldnt have happend if GF was more transparent which they have not been

 

[Michael the Spikester]

As for who I'd fill the slots with.

-Amaterasu
-Black Shadow
-Dixie Kong
-Doom Slayer
-Lara Croft
-Master Chief
-Medusa
-Nightmare (Soulcalibur)
-Ryu Hayabusa
-Sora
-Steve

Some of these picks are also to appease other fans (Dixie Kong, Sora, Steve). Others are also due to their legacy and iconness (Lara Croft, Master Chief).

 

[Shroob]

That doesn't excuse ANY of the things I've seen thrown at the man.

People had the nerve to post crud at him while he was asking if people were safe after a hurricane. After sharing pictures of a friend wedding There is NEVER an excuse to treat someone like dirt, especially over such inconsequential things as entertainment.

There's not a whole lot you can do about those kind of people to begin with.

Harsh reality is don't look on Twitter if you want civil discussions.

 

[MooMew64]

There's not a whole lot you can do about those kind of people to begin with.

Harsh reality is don't look on Twitter if you want civil discussions.

I'd say nowhere on the internet can you find civil discussions, honestly.

It all devolves into pointless debates eventually. Heck, this is a Smash forum: We're basically the poster website for that kinda thing, lol.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright, can we just move on from the SS talk for a bit?

 

[Shroob]

I'd say nowhere on the internet can you find civil discussions, honestly.

It all devolves into pointless debates eventually. Heck, this is a Smash forum: We're basically the poster website for that kinda thing, lol.

Smash discussion can be civil as long as people keep their expectations in check and dont take sides.


But we're a bunch of man children who do it anyway because "ohmahgawd I want em in smeeeesh bruuuuhhhhs"

 

[Cosmic77]

I honestly don't even mind that the models are reused, it's Pokemon, it's not about the graphics.

It's the fact that Masuda straight up lied.

Any other developer would be raked over the coals for lying like this, I don't see why Masuda gets a free pass aside from people being loyal to the Pokemon brand.

If people were only making this about Masuda and the models/animations, this wouldn't be that big of a deal to me.

They're not.

In their own words, this is just the tip of the iceberg. They're using the GameFreakLied hashtag to bundle up every other complaint they have with SwSh. Of course the National Dex is biggest issue, because after five months there's still some people who can't even swallow that pill. Then there's everything else you've heard since June; bad graphics, curry, EXP share, Galarian Dex too small, Charizard, cutscenes, lag - the full cornucopia. Do any of these issues relate to Masuda? Aside from the Dex, no not really.

I know people are free to express their opinions, but boy, they're taking great pleasure in using every available opportunity to take shots at SwSh, regardless of how irrelevant or forced it is. Then you have those you take it a step further and basically imply that you're either "part of the problem" or an apologist if none of these issues were enough to stop you from buying SwSh and letting the games fail miserably.

The attitude from the Pokemon fanbase has been way too nasty and aggressive, especially toward those who are newer to the series. What Masuda did was wrong, but I'm equally ashamed to say I'm a Pokemon fan if this is what I can expect for the rest of Gen VIII.

 

[Deleted member]

No, seriously, can we PLEASE move on from this, and talk about something else. this back and forth arguing is starting to drive me nuts.

edit: and that's a no. just great.

 

[Shroob]

If people were only making this about Masuda and the models/animations, this wouldn't be that big of a deal to me.

They're not.

In their own words, this is just the tip of the iceberg. They're using the GameFreakLied hashtag to bundle up every other complaint they have with SwSh. Of course the National Dex is biggest issue, because after five months there's still some people who can't even swallow that pill. Then there's everything else you've heard since June; bad graphics, curry, EXP share, Galarian Dex too small, Charizard, cutscenes, lag - the full cornucopia. Do any of these issues relate to Masuda? Aside from the Dex, no not really.

I know people are free to express their opinions, but boy, they're taking great pleasure in using every available opportunity to take shots at SwSh, regardless of how irrelevant or forced it is. Then you have those you take it a step further and basically imply that you're either "part of the problem" or an apologist if none of these issues were enough to stop you from buying SwSh and letting the games fail miserably.

The attitude from the Pokemon fanbase has been way too nasty and aggressive, especially toward those who are newer to the series. What Masuda did was wrong, but I'm equally ashamed to say I'm a Pokemon fan if this is what I can expect for the rest of Gen VIII.

I mean, take solace that the game is still gonna sell millions?

Like, I get it, we're on opposite sides of this whole debate but


Well, honestly I can't even say "don't let others dictate how you feel", because if I were in your shoes, I'd probably feel like **** myself.

I guess there's really not a whole hell of a lot that I can say except, despite all this, my outlooks pretty pessimistic, I don't see them changing anything in the future despite the vocalness of this ordeal.

 

[Deleted member]

Here’s my predictions
-lloyd
-shantae
-geno
-capcom character
-sol badguy
-sega character
-crash
-Doomslayer
-professor Layton
-frogger(I forgot about him for another Konami rep lol)
-Ezlo

 

[Deleted member]

for eleven characters... hmmm

-Ojama Lime
-Ojama Lime
-ojAmA lIme
-DIO Lime

I got nothing, honestly.

 

[Deleted member]

I’m changing avatars each day, lmao.

That’s what happens when you have a week full of stuff that you like.

 

[Zinith]

Year of Yoshi 2020

So Poochy

 

[Shroob]

I’m changing avatars each day, lmao.

That’s what happens when you have a week full of stuff that you like.

But are they approved by

 

[Deleted member]

I’m changing avatars each day, lmao.

That’s what happens when you have a week full of stuff that you like.

Same with me haha

 

[Deleted member]

Wtf, I found something cursed:

[Redacted]

 

[ZaneHitsurugi]

No, seriously, can we PLEASE move on from this, and talk about something else. this back and forth arguing is starting to drive me nuts.

edit: and that's a no. just great.

How you gonna just try to control what everyone else is talking about tho

 

[Zinith]

Wtf, I found something cursed:

Um.... well, two things

1. spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen the movie (which you should)
2. extreme violence

You might want to reconsider that post