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I was just thinking about people who say characters are just a collection of hit and hurtboxes, and people who choose characters they like rather than characters they're good with are "shallow", etc. I saw an old post earlier today saying that and it's been bothering me.
 

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Heh, my level 49 mega steelix curbstomped Steven's level 59 mega metagross. Level difference don't mean jack.
 

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Except with more typos and misspells. :p
Even more so when I get super tired :happysheep:
I was just thinking about people who say characters are just a collection of hit and hurtboxes, and people who choose characters they like rather than characters they're good with are "shallow", etc. I saw an old post earlier today saying that and it's been bothering me.
I get sick of mentality like that sometimes. It seems that hating on a character because its very mobile is a thing now. also cute icon
 
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I was just thinking about people who say characters are just a collection of hit and hurtboxes, and people who choose characters they like rather than characters they're good with are "shallow", etc. I saw an old post earlier today saying that and it's been bothering me.
Show us.
 

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Heh, my level 49 mega steelix curbstomped Steven's level 59 mega metagross. Level difference don't mean jack.
No kidding... People have done no level/no upgrade runs of Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, Demon's/Dark Souls, Kingdom Hearts, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, and more. Sometimes they do glitch stuff or cheat like using the code to unlock MGR:R's hardest difficulty right off the bat so they can have a clean slate, but other times, it's just pure skill and luck.

Final Fantasy XV is even offering that ability since you can only "level up" if you camp. So, if you don't, then you can just do a level 1 playthrough which seems insane until you figure out how the game works and other exploits like many stealth games having visual cones and as long as you don't step into it, then you're fine.
 
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Nah, Antasma is male. It's alright though, everyone thought Marth was female to begin with. :troll:
Marth has a tiara and Antasma doesn't. I wonder why they thought Marth was a Martha? :p
 
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The game itself doesn't lend well to being watched.
I value depth of gameplay mechanics over viability of my favorite characters.

Should I hazard to say that people who derive their enjoyment from character variety, a character being a set of hit and hurtboxes and a few unique mechanics, are more shallow than I, who enjoy the core of the competitive spirit, in playing to win and the most powerful manipulation of the mechanics present? I say so.
This post was in a thread complaining about Diddy Kong's current overabundance. And the worst part is, I can't think of any way that he might be wrong.
 
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Marth has a tiara and Antasma doesn't. I wonder why they thought Marth was a Martha? :p
'cuz he's a bishie, all bishies look feminine.

Still no excuse why the gender jokes have still been around even though they've become repetitive and shallow.

Lucina's existance pumped them out for a bit for obvious reasons tho.
 

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This post was in a thread complaining about Diddy Kong's current overabundance. And the worst part is, I can't think of any way that he might be wrong.
yeah... I ignore people like that anyway
'cuz he's a bishie, all bishies look feminine.

Still no excuse why the gender jokes have still been around even though they've become repetitive and shallow.
oh god but it was a joke though
Nah, Antasma is male. It's alright though, everyone thought Marth was female to begin with. :troll:
Oh I know why I though he was a irl, he sorta looks like Cackletta to me
 
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Heh, my level 49 mega steelix curbstomped Steven's level 59 mega metagross. Level difference don't mean jack.
It doesn't? Sweet! Time to bring my 6 cascoons into the elite 4! I'm sure ill come out with a nice dustox!
 

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This post was in a thread complaining about Diddy Kong's current overabundance. And the worst part is, I can't think of any way that he might be wrong.
This dude sounds like a pompous, pretentious, wannabe *******. I understand people want depth in games, but saying people shouldn't want more of their favorite characters is self-righteous. Yes, we shouldn't have games leaning towards quality over quantity, but that doesn't mean games should just be quality. If it was just quality, then SSB would only have about 10 "perfect" characters. Also, using "big" words makes him sound even more pretentious; he sounds like a wannabe lawyer or someone important, therefore, uses complex words in place of common words. What a ****.

SSB tries to be a game for everyone unlike say, Demon's Souls or Monster Hunter, but it's also competitive and, as of SSB4, fairly balanced meaning people can play characters because they're viable or because they like them. Funny how I just checked a thread about a guy who mained Diddy Kong because he loved Donkey Kong Country, Diddy's origin franchise, and when he won against someone, that person changed their name to "DIDDY-NOOB" in an immature tantrum before leaving. Here's the thread: Anonymous, Yet Clearly a Jerk.

I don't know, maybe it's just that humans love glory; we're all blood knights. We don't care about others except if they benefit us in some way. It takes training, discipline, and humility to become like (ideal) samurai, knights - the good, ideal ones and not the real ones who were mostly titled thugs -, monks, etc. So, we love ******* on people's cheerios.
 
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yeah... I ignore people like that anyway
No need to be so rude :p
I thought I said it in as politely a way as I could. Besides, being shallow in the ways of involvement in the competition of a game isn't much of an insult. In fact, I think it's good to be a casual, oftentimes.

However, this scenario is one where people are holding balance as the core of competition, and the height of game design, when it is a paltry facade that the mechanics hide behind. But, it could well be there is a neat and apparent character-specific mechanic which could lend depth to the overall game, I am merely saying that more often lies within global mechanics than character balance.
I get sick of mentality like that sometimes.
The mentality that we shouldn't get angry when the characters aren't balanced, as opposed to angry that the base mechanics are flawed in their entirety?
 

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No need to be so rude :p
I thought I said it in as politely a way as I could. Besides, being shallow in the ways of involvement in the competition of a game isn't much of an insult. In fact, I think it's good to be a casual, oftentimes.

However, this scenario is one where people are holding balance as the core of competition, and the height of game design, when it is a paltry facade that the mechanics hide behind. But, it could well be there is a neat and apparent character-specific mechanic which could lend depth to the overall game, I am merely saying that more often lies within global mechanics than character balance.
The mentality that we shouldn't get angry when the characters aren't balanced, as opposed to angry that the base mechanics are flawed in their entirety?
well no the mentality of having tantrums like that but I guess Live and Let Live
 

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This dude sounds like a pompous, pretentious, wannabe *******. I understand people want depth in games, but saying people shouldn't want more of their favorite characters is self-righteous. Yes, we shouldn't have games leaning towards quality over quantity, but that doesn't mean games should just be quality. If it was just quality, then SSB would only have about 10 "perfect" characters. Also, using "big" words makes him sound even more pretentious; he sounds like a wannabe lawyer or someone important, therefore, uses complex words in place of common words. What a ****.

SSB tries to be a game for everyone unlike say, Demon's Souls or Monster Hunter, but it's also competitive and, as of SSB4, fairly balanced meaning people can play characters because they're viable or because they like them.

I don't know, maybe it's just that humans love glory; we're all blood knights. We don't care about others except if they benefit us in some way. It takes training, discipline, and humility to become like (ideal) samurai, knights - the good, ideal ones and not the real ones who were mostly titled thugs -, monks, etc.
Rude :(
I think it was my distance and anonymity which lent to you attacking me this time. I hope for a world where nobody attacks anybody, some day.

But I'm here now.
Wanting more from a character for its own sake is a nepotism incorrigible. Well, I exaggerate, but one should never want a character to be better just because they're the favorite. That's selfish.
It may be self righteous, but the mere fact I'm pushing superior global mechanics in a selfless manner (I.E., indiscriminate of the character I play) gives me the moral high ground, if there is one in such a silly debate.

I've written about this before, but suffice to say that designing a game for the casual and the hardcore is not mutually exclusive. Sakurai is wrong in that he thinks it's one or the other, or some attempt to balance the two that need not occur at all. In fact, that's one of the ways that Demon's Souls EXCELS in. Dark Souls, that whole series, is expertly, wonderfully designed to be played at any difficulty without being overt about it.
 
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Rude :(
I think it was my distance and anonymity which lent to you attacking me this time. I hope for a world where nobody attacks anybody, some day.

But I'm here now.
Wanting more from a character for its own sake is a nepotism incorrigible. Well, I exaggerate, but one should never want a character to be better just because they're the favorite. That's selfish.
It may be self righteous, but the mere fact I'm pushing superior global mechanics in a selfless manner (I.E., indiscriminate of the character I play) gives me the moral high ground, if there is one in such a silly debate.

I've written about this before, but suffice to say that designing a game for the casual and the hardcore is not mutually exclusive. Sakurai is wrong in that he thinks it's one or the other, or some attempt to balance the two that need not occur at all. In fact, that's one of the ways that Demon's Souls EXCELS in. Dark Souls, that whole series, is expertly, wonderfully designed to be played at any difficulty without being overt about it.
I see. You just made it sound kind of...
You know.
 

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You quitted at the right time, since my dad cut out the internet connexion near after we've finished the matches.
I've put it back up since, like :snake: in his games. It's a whole mission to actually wait until the parents are asleep to have the internet back.
 

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Saved. I just found some new potential avatars.

Rude :(
I think it was my distance and anonymity which lent to you attacking me this time. I hope for a world where nobody attacks anybody, some day.

But I'm here now.
Wanting more from a character for its own sake is a nepotism incorrigible. Well, I exaggerate, but one should never want a character to be better just because they're the favorite. That's selfish.
It may be self righteous, but the mere fact I'm pushing superior global mechanics in a selfless manner (I.E., indiscriminate of the character I play) gives me the moral high ground, if there is one in such a silly debate.

I've written about this before, but suffice to say that designing a game for the casual and the hardcore is not mutually exclusive. Sakurai is wrong in that he thinks it's one or the other, or some attempt to balance the two that need not occur at all. In fact, that's one of the ways that Demon's Souls EXCELS in. Dark Souls, that whole series, is expertly, wonderfully designed to be played at any difficulty without being overt about it.
Unrelated but you were the first person to quote my post. Congratulations!
 

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You quitted at the right time, since my dad cut out the internet connexion near after we've finished the matches.
I've put it back up since, like :snake: in his games. It's a whole mission to actually wait until the parents are asleep to have the internet back.
Don't worry, son. In a couple of years, when you leave your household for your own, you'll be able to pay for your own internet. Along with everything else in your new home!

 

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It's okay though, nobody waked up.
 
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Let it snow

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Edit: It's snowing outside
 
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Let it snow

Let it snow

Can't take the sun anymore
YOU FOOL!

Snow is one thing you don't wish for. Snow days are fun at first until you remember that your running low on milk and have to drive over the unpaved roads!
 

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Don't worry, son. In a couple of years, when you leave your household for your own, you'll be able to pay for your own internet. Along with everything else in your new home!

That's why you cherish the time in college/university. Free internet is a boon. :p
 

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YOU FOOL!

Snow is one thing you don't wish for. Snow days are fun at first until you remember that your running low on milk and have to drive over the unpaved roads!
Snow is a great thing to wish for! Who needs a car when picking up groceries? I love walking through snow! You gotta raise your cold resistance!
 

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I'm a dark/ ghost with wonderguard

so snow don't effect me
 

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I'm a Bread type.

My ability is Sweet Scent, especially if I'm wearing Strawberry Jam.

You all bow to us, for we are the Great Legendary Toast pokemon! You wouldn't exist without us staple foods!
 

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I'm a Bread type.

My ability is Sweet Scent, especially if I'm wearing Strawberry Jam.

You all bow to us, for we are the Great Legendary Toast pokemon! You wouldn't exist without us staple foods!
Snow would make bread soggy

and no one likes soggy bread
 
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