I've said it once I'll say it again I hate snakea character who has a projectile for every single situation is ridiculous.
His projectile and stage control game is pretty situational, in my own opinion. Plus, that's what he does. The dude's a zoner. Snake's the name, stage control is his game.
He has a projectile for every situation. And every attack he lands, sets him up for another attack. His up smash hits u twice... meaning u have to get hit by the rocket part. And at low percents this can set up his fair spike.
Plenty of characters hit multiple times with their U-smash. Link, for example. U-Smash into U-Air for a quick ceiling kill, which is entirely possible.
Any mine he plants or c4, he can throw u pretty much into them.
Why would he have them if they were these derpy little things that he had a
hard time throwing you into? I can understand that you feel like the throw can be a little
too easy to do for some Snake players, but you have to keep in mind that once a mine is fielded, you can toss Snake himself into it, or just go hide behind it and force him to slip up.
Blah blah about his recovery. Why? Cause it still electricutes you and cancels your spike.
There are
pleeeeeeenty of options against Cypher to keep Snake off of the stage. Above him is really the absolute worst place to go, so if you're trying to spike Snake, of course it's not going to work. Snake's recovery is weak in that the path is predictable, and that he's protected largely from
above whilst performing it. Shoot him out of the air with Link's bow, cape him with Mario (hilarious), F-Smash him from a sizable distance with Ike, gimp him with Pit, swallow him up with DeDeDe, fortressguard him with Bowser; most of the cast has a reasonable response to Snake's recovery, spikes not being one of them, and that doesn't mean that he's broken in the slightest.
Im strickly gannon. And im geting very upset that I have to go through hell and back just to get on the stage.
This is going to bite you in the ass no matter which character you match up as with Ganondorf. Save for another Ganondorf. It's one of Ganondorf's weaknesses, a poor recovery, and that's not Snake's fault at all.
Ganon cant sheild grab snake, his range is too low. But I get sheild grabbed all the time from snake.
Pretty much the same as above. Ganon's grab range is pitiful, Snake's is viable; it's not Snake's fault at all. Ganon's going to have trouble with grabs in most matchups in general.
But something needs to give. Idc what anyone says. He has the best ground game by far. But for someone whos human as snake... he shouldnt be stronger than ganon.
Saying that he's got the
best ground game is a stretch, but he's got a solid one, to be sure. He's right where the he deserves to be on tier lists, but he's not unstoppable. Of course, if the only match you watch is Professor Pro versus Jolteon, then Snake is of course going to seem a tad overpowered. On the topic of in-universe power, Ike's a human, too, and so is Mario, and they both pack a wallop with the majority of their movesets compared to Snake. I don't think that the 'this character is stronger in
their universe' sort of argument really applies in Smash Bros.
Let me explain, his dagger range has long reach, which you can see with the white slash marks. If I get hit with 2 of those... im at 23% from zero... dumb. And his 3 punch kick combo beats anyone to the punch. Im just sick of a human being stronger and more equipped then ganon(prince of darkness).
Ike can nail pretty much anybody with any move and do the same thing, so it's not just Snake himself packing all of this heat and range. It's not
dumb, it's just his character. You're
Ganondorf. You can zero to fist-through-face any character in the cast, save for
Bowser, with your
jab and
forward tilt. If you're not seeing the huge amounts of power behind Ganondorf's meathooks, then something's up.
And, again, it shouldn't matter who's human or not. I like to use the Ike example a lot, because he's kind of scrawny compared to some of the cast members, and can flatten Snake pretty quickly if a Snake player isn't careful. Plus, in
any game Ganondorf has shown up to, he hasn't exactly been armed to the teeth. The whole '
Snake's a scrawny nerd and Ganondorf lifts hardcore everyday' argument is just silly in the context of the Smash Bros. universe. You're in a game in which Peach can beat the living daylights out of
Giga Bowser. Anything can happen.
Sorry if this sounds like a massive hissy-fit towards what you had to say, but I feel that if you
only play Ganondorf, then you can't say that Snake is the ultimate character in the game that needs to be toned down. Explore some other matchups, figure out what Ganondorf can
do for you in the first place, and try playing Snake sometime and exploring
his limitations.
If that's not an option, then all I hear here is "
salt".
