Smashboards Community Voted Tier List: Version 4 COMPLETE! Break for a few months...

[Elray]

-1 (Reasoning: Sonic's neutral game seems to be defined by his speed more than anything else and it's very difficult for him to work around anything that outranges him. In my opinion, he belongs in Tier 3, maybe Tier 2 at the most.)

-1 (Reasoning: He has one of the biggest hurtboxes in the game and is generally outclassed by .

+1 (Reasoning: Charizard's has a frame 4 jab, decent recovery, and good landing options with down-B and Nair.)

 

[TDK]

+1 (Reasoning: Charizard's has a frame 4 jab, decent recovery, and good landing options with down-B and Nair.)

What characters do you play if a Laggy Down-B or weak nair are good landing options?

 

[Frihetsanka]

Why are people still insistent on having eight tiers? Are there really that many levels of viability? Seven seems much more fitting for how the meta game has shaped itself to be.

Seven works, but it makes naming tiers a bit harder. Either Low-Mid, Low, or Bottom would have to be dropped.

Some alternatives:

Alternative 1:

1: Top
2: Upper High
3: Lower High
4: High-Mid
5: Mid
6: Low-Mid
7: Low

Alternative 2:

1: Top
2: Upper High
3: Lower High
4: High Mid
5: Mid
6: Low
7: Bottom

Alternative 3:

1: Top
2: Upper High
3: Lower High
4: High Mid
5: Mid
6. Low-Mid
7. Bottom

I prefer alternative 1, although I suppose 2 works decently. 3 is a bit odd though.

The latest Brawl tier list had: Top, High, Upper Mid, Mid, Lower Mid, Low (6 tiers). They did split top into 4 brackets and Upper Mid into 3 brackets.

As long as 5 remains Mid and doesn't get retroactively downgraded I'm fairly okay with any solution for tier 6 and 7. I'm also okay with keeping it 8 tiers.

 

[Egghead]

-1 (Reasoning: Sonic's neutral game seems to be defined by his speed more than anything else and it's very difficult for him to work around anything that outranges him. In my opinion, he belongs in Tier 3, maybe Tier 2 at the most.)

-1 (Reasoning: He has one of the biggest hurtboxes in the game and is generally outclassed by .

+1 (Reasoning: Charizard's has a frame 4 jab, decent recovery, and good landing options with down-B and Nair.)

Although his speed is his main part of him, it is very good although it may seem simple.

 

[QualityQ]

Why are people still insistent on having eight tiers? Are there really that many levels of viability? Seven seems much more fitting for how the meta game has shaped itself to be.

While I agree tier 7 looks silly with only one character, nearly every character in tier 6 has received downvotes at some point in time only to be countervoted.

I'd argue tier 7 should exist, it's just we can't find any agreement as to which characters should go into it.

Do you think all the characters in tier 6 are equal? I don't think so.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

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[L1N3R1D3R]

Seven works, but it makes naming tiers a bit harder. Either Low-Mid, Low, or Bottom would have to be dropped.

Some alternatives:

Alternative 1:

1: Top
2: Upper High
3: Lower High
4: High-Mid
5: Mid
6: Low-Mid
7: Low

Alternative 2:

1: Top
2: Upper High
3: Lower High
4: High Mid
5: Mid
6: Low
7: Bottom

Alternative 3:

1: Top
2: Upper High
3: Lower High
4: High Mid
5: Mid
6. Low-Mid
7. Bottom

I prefer alternative 1, although I suppose 2 works decently. 3 is a bit odd though.

The latest Brawl tier list had: Top, High, Upper Mid, Mid, Lower Mid, Low (6 tiers). They did split top into 4 brackets and Upper Mid into 3 brackets.

As long as 5 remains Mid and doesn't get retroactively downgraded I'm fairly okay with any solution for tier 6 and 7. I'm also okay with keeping it 8 tiers.

"It makes naming tiers a bit harder" We're already adding prefixes like Upper and Lower to the tiers with only seven tiers. If anything, it's harder to name eight tiers. And I do prefer alternative 1, as I don't believe there's any character bad enough to be bottom tier.

While I agree tier 7 looks silly with only one character, nearly every character in tier 6 has received downvotes at some point in time only to be countervoted.

I'd argue tier 7 should exist, it's just we can't find any agreement as to which characters should go into it.

Do you think all the characters in tier 6 are equal? I don't think so.

No, but I argue that the upper and possibly bottom tiers could be better distributed so the characters who are about equal to Roy end up in tier 6.

 

[FamilyTeam]

So, I've decided to look at both results and MU chart information, and I have some thoughts about some placements (MU chart statistics https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ltt6QpIaLk6er4KUcpHkYLe5EI/edit#gid=799454361):

Ness is placing really well, which supports him being high tier. His MU chart is not that great though, which supports him being high-mid tier.

Lucas, on the other hand, has worse results than Ness but a better MU chart. My impression is that Ness is better, though admittedly I've watched more top level Ness players than top level Lucas players. I think it's a bit too early to move him up to high tier though.

Ike is not placing well and his MU chart is not great. Mid tier (5) rather than high-mid (4)?

Same with Link, though his Japanese results might be noteworthy enough for high-mid tier. It's possible the MU charts underestimate him.

If Lucina's MU chart statistics are correct, then she shouldn't be high tier. I kind of suspect people underestimate her though, so just looking at these MU chart statistics is not enough.

Lastly, I'd like to talk about Mii Gunner. Sure, Gunner is lacking results, partly because of no For Glory, and partly because different rules when it comes to bans and such. I suggest people watch some games here and make a decision for themselves whether Mii Gunner is tier 6 or 7: https://smashvods.github.io/ssb4/MiiGunner.html

Time for me to basically revive this account just to say this:
You're doing a good thing by mostly ignoring the Lucie MU chart from that document. All I see is someone applying the old logic of "Lucina's MUs are Marth's -1", which is extremely annoying and extremely wrong.
Whenever I see MU charts for all the characters like this, I just have to wonder how they're made and how often are mains of the characters actually consulted. Considering this list seems iffy for all of the other characters I know as well, alongside other people in this thread complaining about it too, I would say don't bother even looking at it.

 

[MrGameguycolor]

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[Deleted member]

-1 (Reasoning: He has one of the biggest hurtboxes in the game and is generally outclassed by .)

Doesn't Bowser have the bigger hurtbox though?

Also, what makes Bowser superior to DK? I always assumed he was on par with him, if not worse than him.

 

[Routa]

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[Elray]

What characters do you play if a Laggy Down-B or weak nair are good landing options?

Corrin has a laggy Down-B and a weak Nair

 

[TDK]

Corrin has a laggy Down-B and a weak Nair

...I don't know why I'm even responding to this.

"oh x character has y property that you mentioned so obviously I win the argument"

Yes, because people wouldn't complain about a Lagless counter that happens to be knockback-wise by far the strongest counter in the game, right? And why the hell are you using counter to land over and over? Yeah it has insane reward but don't spam counter to land when Corrin has actual landing options.

Lastly Corrin's nair actually is a landing option because a) It's disjointed, which means you can't challenge it and b) it doesn't have a million years of lag so you're not punished just for using it. Oh, and it also sets up into Corrin's highly damaging combos?

Oh, I know. has a Laggy down-B and a weak nair! So obviously they're as bad as Charizard, right? How about ? Or ?

 

[Bowserboy3]

UPDATED

Spoiler: Rules

• You have 3 votes to play with. +1 and/or -1 up to 3 different characters.
• Characters are not ranked within tiers at this point. You are voting to establish their tiering position.
• Remember, it takes +/-3 to move a character 1 tier, and +/-10 to move them 2 tiers. No character can move more than 2 tiers during each phase.
• Please vote on the list at the time of voting. While you can vote based on what you like, things such as "X character will probably get votes later so I'm down voting now etc" isn't the best way to do it.
• and can be joined together to count as one vote if you vote for one or the other. However, you can still vote on them individually if you so desire.

An example vote:

+1
+1
-1

Spoiler: Current List - 4.13

Version 4.13 - Characters not ranked within tiers.

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This will be the last round before we move onto the next phase. I was going to move straight on to the next round now, but I want to give you all some warning. That, and it's just convenient for me (I'll be less busy next week; will be easier to track the new votes etc).

I'll explain how things will work in a few days time, when we have a few votes or so.

My final votes:

+1: I know a good portion of it is a big meme, but ESAM's recent tier list initially shocked me when he placed Samus in the 33rd - 36th range. While I still think she's perhaps a little higher than she ideally should be on that list, after mulling things over, I have come to the decision that Samus really doesn't deserve to be in the 2nd to last tier (I'm confident that tier 7 will cease to exist in time, so I am calling tier 6 the 2nd to last tier). The fact she has a moveset and options that function far better all around her is one reason alone why she deserves to move up, but she also gets far better results and placements on the whole than all characters in tier 6. IcyMist's ability to keep up with Dabuz proved to me further that Samus can actually perform, but perhaps one of the biggest drivers behind my change in opinion is seeing Afro Smash's Samus in person at a tournament, witnessing him taking down every top player in attendance, and winning a tournament using solo Samus.

Now, I am not trying to say Samus should be in the upper half of the list; heck, I'm not even saying that 33rd - 36th is where I would put her. What I am saying is, is that Samus is much too good to be in the 2nd to last tier. I think she deserves to be out of the bottom 15 more than any other character. If she was even just to sit at the bottom of tier 5, that would suit Samus much better than being lumped in a tier with characters with noticeable flaws, or the ones that fail to stand out in general.

-1: To keep it short, my opinion is the same as last time; the Mii's as a whole almost never get used in tournament, and have a very poor amount of results. Characters like Samus, Doc, Roy, Charizard, and even Ganondorf and Dedede all have more overall usage and results, so why are we holding Mii Gunner on a pedestal above the other characters? Like Zero Soul said about Kirby last time, perhaps we are all overinflating Mii Gunner's traits and abilities; there's a solid reason why this character gets no representation or results. By far the best Mii, don't get me wrong, but certainly not deserving of being a tier above the other Mii's, when none of them get used as a whole. This character needs to go down.

Saving my last vote for now
+1: Countervote to keep him in tier 5. I would do the same for , but I don't have enough votes left.

 

[Deleted member]

+1
-1
-1

 

[Wintermelon43]

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[Munomario777]

+Would like to get rid of tier 7 before ordering starts.
+I'm not against putting Miis in bottom tier, but I am against populating tier 7 (making it harder to remove).
+Counter, mainly because I don't have much else to vote on.

Edit (post-clarification):

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[Bowserboy3]

+Would like to get rid of tier 7 before ordering starts.
+I'm not against putting Miis in bottom tier, but I am against populating tier 7 (making it harder to remove).

Just a note, the next little round isn't actually focusing on individual tiers. That's the round after (where we would start on the lowest tier).

What happens next, is we take the list of characters, and without re-ordering them, people vote on where they want to see the splits.

Think of it as having one big long line of characters, and you vote where you'd split them all up, without re-ordering them.

Let's pretend this is a tier list:
1:
2:
3:
4:
5:

We'd look at it as a long line of characters in that order; the order cannot be changed in any way. As such, we'd be left with this:



Now, it'd be our job to split the characters into our own tiering. An example vote could look like this:

1:
2:
3:
4:
5:
6:

In this example, Roy is in a tier on his own. Let's say I don't like this. So, I have voted and put Roy in the tier above (Tier 7 and Falco anyone?). It works like this.

What does need to happen now, is characters that deserve to be lower, need to be put lower so people can split the tiers in the right place. From that example, lets say I wanted to leave Lucario in tier 4, but put Link in tier 5. This is not possible, as the character above always has the priority, and we are not allowed to change the order of the list.

As such, characters that could theoretically be lower on the list (Mii Gunner for example) should be voted down in this last round, regardless of how many tiers there are now, because the tier may cease to exist next round anyway (I can almost guarantee it will disappear. I know I will probably be voting in a way it will be merged) Do you get what I am saying?

I'll explain the workings of it in full in a couple of days (if I need to, because this is basically it, aha!).

But essentially, don't worry about tier 7 at this stage; I suggest using your votes on other characters rather than worrying about tier 7. That, or even downvote Mii Gunner into Tier 7 so she can potentially be bottom tier next round, for example. I am 100% confident that tier 7 going to get merged in one way or another when people split the tiers next round.

 

[Bigbomb2]

+ Never felt like tier 6 to me ever. She's got a lot more going for her than that overall
That's all I can think of. The list looks like a good representation of the current meta to me already. What's even cooler is a lot of these characters still have a ton of meta left to explore (that also scares me as I feel Bayo is in that category :V)

 

[L1N3R1D3R]

+1 Because a top 5 player in the world, the 4th best player in the second best region in the world, and several "smaller" but still successful players like Myran and Angbad would totally all be using just a high-mid tier. Yup, that theory with quite good frame data and adaptability totally looks high-mid to me. Yup. :/
+1 Her buffs have been plentiful, and IcyMist among others have shown just what Samus can do, including a crazy kill combo at early percents with rage (she's heavy, not too floaty, and has good recovery, so it's easier to survive that long than you might think).
+1 Tier 7, and he has enough going for him, including decent results, to be above and not below.
Forgot about how the next round would work. Thanks, BowserBoy!
+1 Making sure he stays where he should be, in the same tier as Ness.

EDIT: Removed Falco upvote.
EDIT 2: Added Lucas upvote.

 

[Bowserboy3]

+1 Tier 7

Might be a good idea to read this post: https://smashboards.com/threads/new...nitial-movements.441533/page-26#post-21564280

Essentially, if Falco moves up from tier 7 to 6, he won't actually be moving anywhere, because he'll be going to the bottom of the next tier.

 

[JayZee1700]

+1 - Kirby is better than Tier 6 and has many cool tools and combos up his...(sleeve?)

I'll start this by addressing key weaknesses:
- Very light (dies very early)
- Air speed is booty cakes

However, Kirby has many strengths that, IMO, overshadow his weaknesses:
- Very light (Difficult to combo, easy to SDI multi-hit moves)
- Little to no end/landing lag on most of his moves
- Decent MU's to some of the higher tiers (i.e. ~40-60 on Cloud, ~40-60 Diddy)
- Good kill power
- Diverse set of combos at a large variety of %'s

It simply doesn't seem logical that is placed in a tier with characters that DON'T have strengths that overshadow their weaknesses. Tier 5 is where he belongs.

Speaking of Tier 5...


+1 - Now, I'm just saying that Glutonny really shined some light on Wario. Getting 3rd place @ Smash Down World really just proves Wario's viability in the metagame. I say he's a Tier 4.


I guess I'll just save my last vote

 

[Routa]

I'm a person who values more a solid movepool and workable gameplan than results. These are the reasons why I have hard time seeing Gunner being below tier 5. This is also why I have hard time understand why Pac-Man is so high. His moveset is way too flawed to deserve his current spot. I know he has results, but when the time goes on the Pacan will be first to fall due to his limitations caused by his moveset.

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As for Wario... his moveset is not that bad. The issue is that many of the characters have better moveset. I also want to remind that Glutonny is a Brawl "legend" so him placing well has more to do with him being amazing player than Wario being a great character. If anything Wario is keeping him from destroying everyone.

 

[Frihetsanka]

Some thoughts about various characters:

Wario is a decent character, but decent is not the same as high-mid. Other characters like Mr. Game & Watch and Palutena occasionally shine as well. He should stay in tier 5 (Mid) for now.

I could see Link potentially moving down to mid tier (5) for now, until we get more data that proves that he's high-mid (6). I could also see Ike moving down for the same reason.

I don't think Kirby is tier 5. His results are pretty bad and his MU chart isn't very good either. What makes him tier 5?

My votes:

-1 (Lucas' results aren't good enough for high tier right now. Perhaps in the future. Right now I think he should be high-mid.)
-1 (In order to be tier 3, high tier, a character has to be really, really good. I don't think Pit has the results right now to qualify.)
+1 (Should Mii Gunner be in the lowest tier? No, but since tier 7 is fairly likely to disappear soon, that's essentially what we're voting about. Mii Gunner is not that bad).

 

[Nidtendofreak]

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Also uh, if characters aren't ordered in tiers, and we aren't supposed to change the order of characters, how is deciding where the dividing lines are going to work? Characters are just kinda thrown randomly into their own tiers atm without an order, so if there is a character people want to move down a tier but he's at the top of his current one due to that randomness that doesn't really work out.

 

[Deleted member]

+1
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-1

Changing my Roy vote to -1.

 

[Bowserboy3]

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Also uh, if characters aren't ordered in tiers, and we aren't supposed to change the order of characters, how is deciding where the dividing lines are going to work? Characters are just kinda thrown randomly into their own tiers atm without an order, so if there is a character people want to move down a tier but he's at the top of his current one due to that randomness that doesn't really work out.

We decide where the tier splits go, then we work through each individual tier and decide on it's ordering. We can up vote and down vote one character each while focusing on an individual tier.

For example, say when we get round to ordering tier 6, if Samus is still in there, and I don't think she is, I can vote for her to move up or down. It's kind of like a "wildcard", so to speak.

 

[Dee-SmashinBoss]

+1 Making sure she stays where she is.
-1

 

[Munomario777]

Just a note, the next little round isn't actually focusing on individual tiers. That's the round after (where we would start on the lowest tier).

What happens next, is we take the list of characters, and without re-ordering them, people vote on where they want to see the splits.

Think of it as having one big long line of characters, and you vote where you'd split them all up, without re-ordering them.

Let's pretend this is a tier list:
1:
2:
3:
4:
5:

We'd look at it as a long line of characters in that order; the order cannot be changed in any way. As such, we'd be left with this:



Now, it'd be our job to split the characters into our own tiering. An example vote could look like this:

1:
2:
3:
4:
5:
6:

In this example, Roy is in a tier on his own. Let's say I don't like this. So, I have voted and put Roy in the tier above (Tier 7 and Falco anyone?). It works like this.

What does need to happen now, is characters that deserve to be lower, need to be put lower so people can split the tiers in the right place. From that example, lets say I wanted to leave Lucario in tier 4, but put Link in tier 5. This is not possible, as the character above always has the priority, and we are not allowed to change the order of the list.

As such, characters that could theoretically be lower on the list (Mii Gunner for example) should be voted down in this last round, regardless of how many tiers there are now, because the tier may cease to exist next round anyway (I can almost guarantee it will disappear. I know I will probably be voting in a way it will be merged) Do you get what I am saying?

I'll explain the workings of it in full in a couple of days (if I need to, because this is basically it, aha!).

But essentially, don't worry about tier 7 at this stage; I suggest using your votes on other characters rather than worrying about tier 7. That, or even downvote Mii Gunner into Tier 7 so she can potentially be bottom tier next round, for example. I am 100% confident that tier 7 going to get merged in one way or another when people split the tiers next round.

Ah, alright. I'll tweak my votes real quick, then...

EDIT: How will this work with ordering of tiers, by the way? For example, Marth is "first" in the tier and Lucario is "last" (even though they're not actually ordered within tiers right now), but you think that Lucario should be in the tier above Marth. You'd be able to swap around the order of characters within a single tier, right? For example, I could vote (based on the example list in your post):

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[Bowserboy3]

Ah, alright. I'll tweak my votes real quick, then...

EDIT: How will this work with ordering of tiers, by the way? For example, Marth is "first" in the tier and Lucario is "last" (even though they're not actually ordered within tiers right now), but you think that Lucario should be in the tier above Marth. You'd be able to swap around the order of characters within a single tier, right? For example, I could vote (based on the example list in your post):

1:
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5:
6:

No. Under no circumstance will we be re-ordering, or swapping the characters around. By now, the list should be at a stable enough position that drastic movements like that shouldn't even be necessary. However, if a character needed to be moved, you would use your "wildcard" vote to move that character up.

Because we go from the bottom up. If we get to where Lucario is and you want to see him go up a tier, use your wildcard vote to vote for him to be sent up a tier.

All will become clear in time. I'll be honest, this stage confused me a little in past lists. Just roll with it first, you'll understand.

 

[Munomario777]

No. Under no circumstance will we be re-ordering, or swapping the characters around. By now, the list should be at a stable enough position that drastic movements like that shouldn't even be necessary. However, if a character needed to be moved, you would use your "wildcard" vote to move that character up.

Because we go from the bottom up. If we get to where Lucario is and you want to see him go up a tier, use your wildcard vote to vote for him to be sent up a tier.

All will become clear in time. I'll be honest, this stage confused me a little in past lists. Just roll with it first, you'll understand.

I think you're misunderstanding my point. In the current (example) list, Marth is listed to the left of Lucario, but since characters are not ordered within tiers yet, they are considered equal. Therefore, within a tier, we should be able to just swap Marth and Lucario (and Link and Peach), no? If not, then even though Marth = Lucario, only Marth can be placed a tier above Lucario due to the order they happen to be in.

For example, with this simplified tier list (current phase of voting, unordered within tiers):




Would all of these votes be valid?: (keeping in mind that Mario = Luigi, and Peach = Bowser, due to no ranking within tiers)



(Simply breaking up the tiers with the exact same order.)



(Luigi is placed in a tier above Mario in this vote, but was placed to the right of him in the unordered list.)



(Same thing, but with Bowser and Peach.)

Or maybe it might be best to do this phase after the list has been ordered within tiers?

 

[TDK]

how the actual hell did Samus get so many upvotes?

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[MarioManTAW]

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[QualityQ]

Just a note, the next little round isn't actually focusing on individual tiers. That's the round after (where we would start on the lowest tier).

What happens next, is we take the list of characters, and without re-ordering them, people vote on where they want to see the splits.

Think of it as having one big long line of characters, and you vote where you'd split them all up, without re-ordering them.

Let's pretend this is a tier list:
1:
2:
3:
4:
5:

We'd look at it as a long line of characters in that order; the order cannot be changed in any way. As such, we'd be left with this:



Now, it'd be our job to split the characters into our own tiering. An example vote could look like this:

1:
2:
3:
4:
5:
6:

In this example, Roy is in a tier on his own. Let's say I don't like this. So, I have voted and put Roy in the tier above (Tier 7 and Falco anyone?). It works like this.

What does need to happen now, is characters that deserve to be lower, need to be put lower so people can split the tiers in the right place. From that example, lets say I wanted to leave Lucario in tier 4, but put Link in tier 5. This is not possible, as the character above always has the priority, and we are not allowed to change the order of the list.

As such, characters that could theoretically be lower on the list (Mii Gunner for example) should be voted down in this last round, regardless of how many tiers there are now, because the tier may cease to exist next round anyway (I can almost guarantee it will disappear. I know I will probably be voting in a way it will be merged) Do you get what I am saying?

I'll explain the workings of it in full in a couple of days (if I need to, because this is basically it, aha!).

But essentially, don't worry about tier 7 at this stage; I suggest using your votes on other characters rather than worrying about tier 7. That, or even downvote Mii Gunner into Tier 7 so she can potentially be bottom tier next round, for example. I am 100% confident that tier 7 going to get merged in one way or another when people split the tiers next round.

No. Under no circumstance will we be re-ordering, or swapping the characters around. By now, the list should be at a stable enough position that drastic movements like that shouldn't even be necessary. However, if a character needed to be moved, you would use your "wildcard" vote to move that character up.

Because we go from the bottom up. If we get to where Lucario is and you want to see him go up a tier, use your wildcard vote to vote for him to be sent up a tier.

All will become clear in time. I'll be honest, this stage confused me a little in past lists. Just roll with it first, you'll understand.

Although I think I understand what you're going with here, isn't it flawed when tiers have 9+ characters in them? For example, currently the tiers have usually 6-8 characters. But if I "group" them as tiers of 3 characters, my vote would be radically different, even if those groups of 3 were just subsets of other tiers.

 

[Bowserboy3]

Although I think I understand what you're going with here, isn't it flawed when tiers have 9+ characters in them? For example, currently the tiers have usually 6-8 characters. But if I "group" them as tiers of 3 characters, my vote would be radically different, even if those groups of 3 were just subsets of other tiers.

It doesn't matter how different the votes are. The votes and trends that appear the most common will be what win.

Lets say out of 10 votes, 7 vote for 6 specific characters to be in a tier, and the other 3 have different sized tiers. It's clear which ones are going to win.

If you are unsure, it's better to ask Browny here; I am merely running the thread exactly the same as it has been run before. I don't particularly know the ins and outs of all the rules quite yet.

 

[Samuelwisebaggins]

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+ / (countervote)

 

[Browny]

@Everyone

For the next phase you should view it as no more than determining how many tiers are in the final list. 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10.

By deciding on where the split is for tiers this helps deal with problem cases like quite clearly, falco. People should be able to vote whether he joins the tier above or below him. It is quite unlikely that characters move up or down in this phase unless characters are unanimously agreed to be in the next tier.

On that note... people are voting +/- on characters. That doesn't happen in this phase, people should be posting the list with the splits where they want it. For example, my vote is this

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So my vote is for 7 tiers, and I think the tiers should look like that. No orders have changed, I just want 7 tiers and I like it when there are a similar amount of characters per tier.

Bowserboy3 if you need me to do the tallying on this phase I will.

 

[TDK]

I'm dumb, never mind.

 

[L1N3R1D3R]

+1 Because a top 5 player in the world, the 4th best player in the second best region in the world, and several "smaller" but still successful players like Myran and Angbad would totally all be using just a high-mid tier. Yup, that theory with quite good frame data and adaptability totally looks high-mid to me. Yup. :/
+1 Her buffs have been plentiful, and IcyMist among others have shown just what Samus can do, including a crazy kill combo at early percents with rage (she's heavy, not too floaty, and has good recovery, so it's easier to survive that long than you might think).
+1 Tier 7, and he has enough going for him, including decent results, to be above and not below.
Forgot about how the next round would work. Thanks, BowserBoy!
+1 Making sure he stays where he should be, in the same tier as Ness.

EDIT: Removed Falco upvote.
EDIT 2: Added Lucas upvote.

Added +1 as countervote, as he really should stay by Ness.

Browny Thanks for the explanation, but I'm pretty sure this is the last phase of regular voting, not the phase of tier division yet.

 

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I do have a few things I'd like to reorder personally in the character orderings:

- Lucina, Falcon, Lucario and Corrin I'd like to have in tier 2 but I can't do that because I also really don't want Pikachu in tier 2
- I want the Pits in tier 4 but to take them down I'd have to also move Lucas, Robin, Yoshi, and Peach down which I don't want
- I want Olimar and Luigi in tier 3 but I can't do that because Ike's in the way
- I want Mr. Game and Watch down a tier but I'd have to take the entire tier 5 with him
- I want Palutena in tier 4 (*Shot*) but I'd have to move the entire tier 5 with her
- I want Charizard in tier 7 but doc, Wii Fit, Samus, and Bowser Jr in tier 6

So yeah. Just a few personal thoughts on how the list is ordered.