Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Besides, if I'm always wrong, surely you could tell me how I'm wrong about Smash not being a port.

As well as you could tell us why you're convinced there won't be a port.

 

[SmashChu]

As well as you could tell us why you're convinced there won't be a port.

Which is where I hoped the conversation would go.I'll probably do it later tonight since I've got some stuff I want to take care of.

 

[Zerp]

Can we please just wait until E3 before saying how the next game absolutely is going to be X or Y? We can only guess what it'll be like (or if it even exists for that matter), none of us actually KNOWS anything about it, unless of course there's a incognito dev-team member among us...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

First, chill out. It's not that big of a deal. Second, you have 2K more post than me (in a far shorter amount of time). I'm sure you've been right 100 percent of the time correct?

Besides, if I'm always wrong, surely you could tell me how I'm wrong about Smash not being a port.

1: His amount of posts is less relevant than disco
2: It's a port. See? We can use the same arguments as you! Not to mention one could bring up how Mario Kart 8 sold like sliced bread on the Switch despite being merely a port of a successful Wii U game
3: He's clearly referring to stuff you claimed like "People expected Snake to be cut, therefore nobody wanted him back"

Which is where I hoped the conversation would go.I'll probably do it later tonight since I've got some stuff I want to take care of.

Dude, you had no reason to not do that in the first place. You don't bring something up, hope it becomes the topic, and THEN bring up your arguments. That just paints you in a negative light

 

[Chandeelure]

I just said my opinion, I didn't say it was a fact.

And I'm not the only one who thinks it's a port.

But yeah, I agree with the thing Zero Soul said.

 

[N3ON]

Besides, if I'm always wrong, surely you could tell me how I'm wrong about Smash not being a port.

Not to condone all the name calling and general nonsense surrounding this discussion but these kind of statements seem very much like things worth bookmarking for posterity.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Mighty Gunvolt Burst was announced for 3DS and Switch.
Anyone agree that Beck (from Mighty No. 9), Gunvolt and Copen be included in the next Smash Bros?

Also, do you think that the Megaman's final smash needs to include Vent/Aile wearing Model X and the Over-1 (From Megaman Xover)?

Pretty sure that both The Mighty No. 9 and Megaman Cover were very polarizing games to Mega Man fans.

Though that didn't stop the Other M representation in Smash 4.

 

[Deleted member]

Mighty Gunvolt Burst was announced for 3DS and Switch.
Anyone agree that Beck (from Mighty No. 9), Gunvolt and Copen be included in the next Smash Bros?

Also, do you think that the Megaman's final smash needs to include Vent/Aile wearing Model X and the Over-1 (From Megaman Xover)?

Disagree on both accounts.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It could be a port. It could be a new game. We could get both.

We won't know till it happens. All we can do is predict/guess and nothing more.

Unless you're somebody who has inside knowledge, but who knows who has that at this point. And we have had legit leakers on this site, so keep in mind it does happen.

 

[Blue_Sword_Edge]

I probably mentioned this before, but it would be interesting to have a boss where whenever it's down to 1 HP, it will create a barrier that can only be penetrated by Final Smashes. During that phase, you'd basically have to wait for a Smash Ball to spawn, break it, and then make sure that the boss is caught in the Final Smash's crossfire.

As for the transformation Final Smashes, such as Giga Bowser and Wario-Man, attacking the boss's barrier with any attack will damage it.

Once the barrier breaks, you just have to damage the boss one more time to defeat it, but be quick, or else the barrier will regenerate.

I'd like to see that for a boss-centric mode. That way, it doesn't remove boss characters from Smash entirely.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Mighty Gunvolt Burst was announced for 3DS and Switch.
Anyone agree that Beck (from Mighty No. 9), Gunvolt and Copen be included in the next Smash Bros?

Beck is never going to happen. Way too contrversial of a game with too many unhappy people for that to happen.


Gunvolt and especially Copen are just too small of characters. U

 

[Bowserlick]

Ridley should be a large dragon boss. Embryos of clones are in giant test tube containment cylinders behind him. When he is defeated, a smaller clone of Ridley is unlocked as a playable character.

Andross should infect Master Hand. When he is defeated, Andross with a body is unlocked as a playable character.

 

[_Sheik]

Seems like I was ninja'd at bringing up the FE ATs topic. I'd love to see one random, non-Lord, non-iconic, non-waifu character (cuz **** Tiki) pop up in there. Why not Gray or Tobin for all we care? Obscure representation has always done wonders for Smash and franchises - Fire Emblem itself is a prime example of that, at least as far as us westerners are concerned.

I'd love to see Elincia or Ranulf happen tbh. They don't get enough credit for what they do in the Tellius continuity. Then again, Radiant Dawn's roster is so incredibly huge it's hard to tell them all apart at times even though they all have clearly distinct feats and histories. Might have wanted to narrow the cast down a bit back then.

 

[Blue_Sword_Edge]

Interesting question, if a third party company is developing the next Smash game and it wasn't Bandai Namco, what company would you trust with Smash and why? Sorry, I got no idea on who to trust.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Interesting question, if a third party company is developing the next Smash game and it wasn't Bandai Namco, what company would you trust with Smash and why? Sorry, I got no idea on who to trust.

Tecmo Koei

Hyrule Warriors was really well done, and filled with fanservice. Plus the roster was really cool and people are generally really positive about the game so I would say they did pretty well with one of Nintendo's biggest IPs and have already moved to FE where im sure they will do well again.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Capcom. The many many X vs Capcom games are very well done, it ensures that Megaman comes back, and we'd probably get more Capcom characters to boot. Hell, just let em make Nintendo vs Capcom.

 

[Bowserlick]

Smash: Heroes VS Villains.

There should be a mode where villains get a special mechanic and heroes get a special mechanic. Certain items can act one way for heroes and another for villains. And perhaps there can even be a rogue category for more grey-area behaving individuals.

 

[N3ON]

Interesting question, if a third party company is developing the next Smash game and it wasn't Bandai Namco, what company would you trust with Smash and why? Sorry, I got no idea on who to trust.

Nintendo isn't going to let a company tarnish an IP that important to them, they'd rather delay than release it in a sub-par state, so I'd trust pretty much any company Nintendo trusts to do the series justice. If Game Arts can do it...

 

[SmashChu]

Dude, you had no reason to not do that in the first place. You don't bring something up, hope it becomes the topic, and THEN bring up your arguments. That just paints you in a negative light

All I said was "There will not be a port" and it devolves into "OMFG DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT." The amount of drama that came from this comment is baffeling. No one's opinion is special. If you think I'm wrong (which he clearly does because he made a point of it) debate me. The whole point of a message board is to discuss. Not cry because someone responded to you snarky remark with a snarky remark. This isn't aimed at you. I get that you've been nutural in all of this. Nevertheless, people just need to develop a thicker skin. But that's all I'm going to say on the subject.

As well as you could tell us why you're convinced there won't be a port.

And now I will.

So, remember those dark days before the Switch was announced? Awful times. Back then, everyone was saying that almost every Wii U game was going to be ported to the NX. Mario Maker. Splatoon. Mario Kart 8. Xenoblade X. Mario Maker. And, yes, Smash. Even after the initial reveal, everyone said there were going to be tons of ports. Splatoon had to be a port. We were told the Smash port would be at the January Presentation. In the end, there was only one port: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Splatoon was a sequel and there was no Smash. The rumors that said there would be a port were all wrong (Fun fact, yours truely correctly stated that the rumors were going to be wrong)

For some reason, the idea that "All the ports are coming" never seemed to die. Only enough, they somewhat intensified. We were told "There will definitly be a Smash port. That's why they held back on the amiibo." The amiibo were shown off and given a release date. No Smash port (Source Gaming did a report on them and noted the reason for the delay may have been Cloud). You'd think at this point, we could say "It probably wont happen" but it doesn't seem to die.

The only Wii U port that we know of is Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. So let's look at that. The director said the reason for the port was to get the game out ASAP. From Nintendo Everything.

As a developer, Yabuki thought it would fit well with Mario Kart, and wanted to offer a Mario Kart to fans as soon as possible.

It should also be noted that Yabuki is currently working on ARMS.

Now, let's look at sales (which you can find here). Smash for Wii U sold 5.2 million. Splatoon sold 4.8 million. So Smash only sold 400K more than Splatoon. Mario Kart 8 on the other hand sold 8.31 million selling 3.11 million copies more than Smash Wii U. "But Smashchu, that was only because the 3DS version." OK, Smash 3DS sold 8.72 million and Mario Kart 7 sold 15.22 million. That's 6.5 million copies and represents 75 percent of Smash 3DS's total sales. Even if you were to add the Wii U and the 3DS version's sales, it would still have sold less than Mario Kart 7 by roughly 2 million. Moreover, Mario Kart 8 is the only Mario Kart game since Double Dash to sell less than ANY Smash Brothers title. You can see now why it was so crucial to get Mario Kart on the system.

The idea that Smash will get a port stems, in part, from a misconception that Smash is just as big as Mario Kart. It's not. If Nintendo was a band, Mario Kart would be the lead singer and Smash would be the drummer. Some people know the drummer, but everyone gets starstruck by the lead singer. Mario Kart is far more crucial to Nintendo's success than Smash is. If anything, we'd expect Smash to be a sequel as Splatoon (which only sold 400K less than it and launched 6 months later) is getting one instead of a port. For all intensive purposes, we should expect Smash to follow suit.

So there are two major reasons why everyone claims Smash will get a port. First, a Smash port was rumored. But, as I mentioned above, every game was said to be a port, and every rumor was wrong. Second, everyone assumes Smash is this massive title. It is a big title, but it's not Mario Kart level. If Nintendo is taking other big series like Splatoon and the 3D Mario games and making new games, then why wouldn't Smash follow suit? Additionally, Mario Kart 8 was released within 2 months of the system's launch. If Smash was being ported, why haven't we seen it yet. Why isn't it out now? In a years time, Sakurai's team made 7 fighters, 8 stages and a bunch of Mii Fighter costumes. It's been a year and a few months. Mario Kart wasn't even shown at the event (outside of simple gameplay demostrations). Why do we think that Nintendo is going have this big reveal to show off a Smash port? They didn't do it for their biggest series. Why would they do it for Smash.

Time converts more than reason. As time has gone on, more and more people have come to beleive it will be a new game. Each new system has had a NEW Smash Bros game. I don't see why the Switch will be different.

 

[Kirbeh]

Smash: Heroes VS Villains.

There should be a mode where villains get a special mechanic and heroes get a special mechanic. Certain items can act one way for heroes and another for villains. And perhaps there can even be a rogue category for more grey-area behaving individuals.

So something like a Smash version of Heroes and Heralds from Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Smash: Heroes VS Villains.

There should be a mode where villains get a special mechanic and heroes get a special mechanic. Certain items can act one way for heroes and another for villains. And perhaps there can even be a rogue category for more grey-area behaving individuals.

Interesting idea... until you realize 90% of the cast are heroes.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Interesting idea... until you realize 90% of the cast are heroes.

Obviously, we'd just get more villains. We need that anyway.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm still hoping for a much improved Adventure Mode, one more like Brawl's.

I wouldn't mind something like Smash Run again at all either. I think it's enjoyable for what it is.

 

[Bowserlick]

Just some ideas on e Hero Vs Villain mode.

• Heroes on a team cannot hurt each other. Villains on a team can.
• There is a hero meter and villain meter. Both can be filled the same OR heroes fill their meter by taking damage and villains by giving damage.
• A filled meter can unleash a Hero or Villain attack. All heroes have the same attack. All villains have the same attack. The Hero attack is weaker, but heals the hero a bit and heroes around them. The Villain attack is stronger and increases attack for a limited time and the attack of villains around them.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Just some ideas on e Hero Vs Villain mode.

• Heroes on a team cannot hurt each other. Villains on a team can.
• There is a hero meter and villain meter. Both can be filled the same OR heroes fill their meter by taking damage and villains by giving damage.
• A filled meter can unleash a Hero or Villain attack. All heroes have the same attack. All villains have the same attack. The Hero attack is weaker, but heals the hero a bit and heroes around them. The Villain attack is stronger and increases attack for a limited time and the attack of villains around them.

You're basically suggesting UMvC3's Heroes vs Heralds, but with a different, less frustrating gimmick.

That sounds awesome.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

A hero vs. villain gimmick wouldn't exactly work when the amount of good guys greatly outnumber the bad guys. And we also have the neutral characters to keep in mind as well.

 

[Polan]

The idea that Smash will get a port stems, in part, from a misconception that Smash is just as big as Mario Kart. It's not.

Second, everyone assumes Smash is this massive title. It is a big title, but it's not Mario Kart level.

"Smash is obviously one of our best-selling franchises,"

-Reggie Fils-Amie

 

[Bowserlick]

Rogue characters could have their own category and just have a special that does a little of everything, but not as extreme.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

A hero vs. villain gimmick wouldn't exactly work when the amount of good guys greatly outnumber the bad guys. And we also have the neutral characters to keep in mind as well.

Again, if this mode ever gets made, they'd just pump in more villains.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Again, if this mode ever gets made, they'd just pump in more villains.

Adding villains for the sake of adding villains is already shaky as is

Adding villains for the sake of a mode would be overkill
I would take it if it meant Ridley though

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I like that idea, but forcing it to be heroes and villains is a little weird.

Maybe a Smashers vs Subspace kind of thing where the latter gets those Subspace clones color schemes from SSE?

That way, you could be anyone you want in either side.

 

[Bowserlick]

Well, it is alright if there are more options in one team vs another team. You can pick the same character.

 

[SmashChu]

"Smash is obviously one of our best-selling franchises,"

-Reggie Fils-Amie

My point was Smash is a big seller but its not a Mario Kart seller.

• Smash WiiU outsold Splatoon by only 400K but MK8 outsold Smash by over 3 million
• Besdies MK8, the last Mario Kart games to sell less than ANY Smash Bros game is Double Dash
• On the last 4 systems, Mario Kart outsold Smash
• Even if you combine Wii U and 3DS, it would still be 2 million shy of Mario Kart 7 sales

Smash is big but not Mario Kart big which is my point.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Adding villains for the sake of adding villains is already shaky as is

Adding villains for the sake of a mode would be overkill
I would take it if it meant Ridley though

''adding villains for the sake of adding villains'' kinda needs to be done, there's just not enough. Bowser, Bowser Jr., Ganondorf, I GUESS Dedede and Meta Knight but they're good guys in like half their games.. That's it. We need more bad guys on the roster.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

''adding villains for the sake of adding villains'' kinda needs to be done, there's just not enough. Bowser, Bowser Jr., Ganondorf, I GUESS Dedede and Meta Knight but they're good guys in like half their games.. That's it. We need more bad guys on the roster.

Yeah, the amount of villains is pretty poor.

That's a shame because some Nintendo villains are ozzing with so much charm and personality.

 

[Oddball]

I wouldn't mind a few more baddies myself. There's several badguys that I'd rank in my own personal top 10 most wanted lists.

Big blue pig Ganon, Pro-Wrestlings' Amazon, Pious Agustus, and Wart all come to mind.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Master Kohga for Smash.

He'd be both a villain and the joke character. Two birds hit with a single stone.

 

[A Distant Demon]

''adding villains for the sake of adding villains'' kinda needs to be done, there's just not enough. Bowser, Bowser Jr., Ganondorf, I GUESS Dedede and Meta Knight but they're good guys in like half their games.. That's it. We need more bad guys on the roster.

Nah

Adding characters for the sake of some imaginary quota is never a good idea. Characters should get in on their own merits, not from some made up reason.

there are of course villains that have more than enough merits

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

As long as the mediocre villains like General Scales and King Garon aren't involved.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

As long as the mediocre villains like Anglar Emperor and King Garon aren't involved.

Fixed.

At least Scales isn't a poor man's Andross.