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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Imagine complaining that a game is overrepped because it finally got its main character.
Imagine complaining about that same game but said game is what turned it's franchise around and probably saved it from just being ''Oh yea Fire Emblem. It's that old series that's got a few fighters in Smash Brothers."
 

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Jesus how would people even feel if it was Master Chief?
My brother would go nuts. He ****ing loves Halo and very specifically Master Chief.

He hated Halo 5 the moment he found out Locke would be the character you play through the majority of the game instead of Chief.
 

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Of course, I understand. My main point being there would no doubt be internal discussion for the inclusion of Banjo & Kazooie rather than Phil himself outright declaring it so.
There'd definitely be an internal discussion, but I see no reason why it'd be a difficult one. Microsoft is generally very relaxed with their properties nowadays, with their support for Minecraft on all platforms (including having content from Halo and, yes, Banjo Kazooie in it on all platforms, including the Switch), putting their exclusives on both Xbox and PC, and spearheading crossplay efforts. There's no evidence that Microsoft would be difficult regarding any of their IP's in Smash, but plenty of direct and indirect evidence that they'd be very open to it, which is why I'm very confused why people keep thinking it'll be a problem.

Even if everyone at Microsoft went full-throttle on getting Banjo in Smash, there's still no guarantee he'd get in. Nintendo is the one who ultimately pulls the strings. Regardless of how much support Banjo gets from Smash fans, it's up to Nintendo to make that call, not Microsoft.
Indeed, it's up to Sakurai/Nintendo to request the character in the end. That's how it's always been, and that's really the only thing holding Banjo back right now. But the door is wide open, so if Sakurai makes that decision, it's as good as done.

In a hypothetical scenario where Nintendo contacted Microsoft about B&K's Smash Bros. representation, and Nadella was okay with it, then the only hurdle left is whether Nadella agrees with B&K, or if he would say, "Well, why don't we suggest a franchise that would make us more money?" He's the only one Spencer has left to answer to.

That said, he's shown an enormous amount of faith in Spencer already by promoting Xbox to equal footing with Windows and allowing a total upheaval of the brand in recent years, with Play Anywhere, the One X, Game Pass and offering two different generations of backwards compatibility for free. This isn't business as usual for Microsoft when compared to how they've handled things since the X360. What they would or would not do regarding Smash is suddenly a total mystery.
Furthermore, Nadella isn't a very stingy guy. He's the one who really pushed for Microsoft Office to be on mobile devices, including their competitors, like iOS and Android. He's also been committed to maintaining Minecraft support on all platforms, rather than lassoing it to just Xbox or something. I doubt he'd micromanage any Smash content.
 

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Imagine complaining that a game is overrepped because it finally got its main character.
Isn't that kinda what happened when people complained about :ultisabelle:?

I mean, technically it's Villager, but that's just the player insert. Isabelle's the face of the franchise now.
 

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Daisy and K.Rool are just so uninteresting to me and gameplay of them hasn't changed my mind. Daisy has been one of my most hated characters ever since I played MKWii.
K.Rool is someone I just don't care about as a character and his fanbase was probably the most annoyingly toxic people I've seen after Smash 4 released.
And as a fighter? His moveset feels completely uninspired, specially his specials: koopa cannon+inhale, ROB's recivery with a hitbox, a boomerang that sucks and a damn counter. His A moves are just as basic as the Smash 64 characters

Ironically, he's less of an Echo than the Melee clone trio of Dr. Mario, Yink and Pichu, who all, at most, have two totally different moves from their original counterparts.
Hard disagree with K. Rool being basic. His down tilt buries, his up smash spikes, his Krown, dash attack, neutral air, and potentially neutral special all have heavy super armor (with his belly-based moves having completely unique defensive properties and a durability mechanic), and his throws are all really powerful (plus his forward throw is a touchdown and that's wonderful).

But the kicker? All of this is on a SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT. Counter, despite being a counter, gives a heavy something to prevent being combo food. His recovery is downright good for someone his size, basically being like Olimar's with a hit box. And he's incredibly speedy and has great frame data for someone so generously sized.

Rool's more than just the sum of his parts, basically.
 
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Hard disagree with K. Rool being basic. His down tilt buries, his up tilt spikes, his Krown, dash attack, neutral air, and potentially neutral special all have heavy super armor (with his belly-based moves having completely unique defensive properties and a durability mechanic), and his throws are all really powerful (plus his forward throw is a touchdown and that's wonderful).

But the kicker? All of this is on a SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT. Counter, despite being a counter, gives a heavy something to prevent being combo food. His recovery is downright good for someone his size, basically being like Olimar's with a hit box. And he's incredibly speedy and has great frame data for someone so generously sized.

Rool's more than just the sum of his parts, basically.
It makes me happy to see the effort that Sakurai used while making K.Rool.

I would even compare him to the way he designed Megaman and Kirby, if we talk about accuracy to source material.
 

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Hard disagree with K. Rool being basic. His down tilt buries, his up tilt spikes, his Krown, dash attack, neutral air, and potentially neutral special all have heavy super armor (with his belly-based moves having completely unique defensive properties and a durability mechanic), and his throws are all really powerful (plus his forward throw is a touchdown and that's wonderful).

But the kicker? All of this is on a SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT. Counter, despite being a counter, gives a heavy something to prevent being combo food. His recovery is downright good for someone his size, basically being like Olimar's with a hit box. And he's incredibly speedy and has great frame data for someone so generously sized.

Rool's more than just the sum of his parts, basically.
I think you mean u-smash for the spike, right? Your points do make sense when you put it like that, I'll admit.

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I guess preferring male Corrin makes me a demon then. /s
Why yes...yes you are
Because M!Corrin = terrible character and terrible addition to the roster
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F!Corrin = cute waifu

(disclaimer: not my opinion)
F!Corrin = better lines, more hope, more marketable, better for the Revelations storyline (the only canon story in Fates), better sibling, and more inspirational in Heores...like damn she good (definitely a cute waifu)
I prefer male Corrin, female Corrin is overrated.
Civil War commence /s
Isn't that kinda what happened when people complained about :ultisabelle:?

I mean, technically it's Villager, but that's just the player insert. Isabelle's the face of the franchise now.
She became the face of Animal Crossing by killing Killager...totally the truth
I'd do it. I'd cut Robin.
Thank :ultpalutena: you’re not in charge of Smash Bros
Reggie said World of Light will have a story.

https://kotaku.com/nintendo-s-reggie-fils-aime-on-hopes-for-an-n64-classic-1830465672

He called it an exceptionally strong way to get some story and unlock some characters.
inb4 it somehow turns into Kid Icarus Uprising 2
 

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Btw, Opossum Opossum , is Chrom going to be your first main that isn't top tier?
Those aren't my mains lol. I'm testing one of the site trophies.

Most of the characters I play or plan on playing are in my signature. :p
 

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Isn't that kinda what happened when people complained about :ultisabelle:?

I mean, technically it's Villager, but that's just the player insert. Isabelle's the face of the franchise now.
Nah, people didn't want her because ''SHE'S SO CUTE AND I DON'T WANT TO BEAT HER UP."

But apparently Kirby, Pikachu, Yoshi, Jigglypuff, etc are perfectly fine.

As is beating up cute children like Ness and Lucas.
 
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Hard disagree with K. Rool being basic. His down tilt buries, his up tilt spikes, his Krown, dash attack, neutral air, and potentially neutral special all have heavy super armor (with his belly-based moves having completely unique defensive properties and a durability mechanic), and his throws are all really powerful (plus his forward throw is a touchdown and that's wonderful).

But the kicker? All of this is on a SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT. Counter, despite being a counter, gives a heavy something to prevent being combo food. His recovery is downright good for someone his size, basically being like Olimar's with a hit box. And he's incredibly speedy and has great frame data for someone so generously sized.

Rool's more than just the sum of his parts, basically.
Oh right, his super armor gimmick which just makes me salty because I'd rather have that on a character that has an actual shield.

But, like, him being good isn't gonna make me like him. And weird move properties aren't gonna change my mind on the fact most of his moves look really basic.
Smash has easily turned my opinion of certain characters as soon as I saw gameplay of them but K.Rool remains the most "wow his inclusion changes literally nothing" I've ever had. Him and Daisy are the only characters I couldn't care less about if they were cut.
 

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I'm still intrigued by how overboard Sakurai went with spikes for the DK characters overall.

:ultdk:: f-air, d-air, side-B & down-B.

:ultdiddy:: d-air, side-B.

:ultkrool:: u-smash, d-air, b-air (looks painful).

Well, in terms of how they can perform them.
 

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Those aren't my mains lol. I'm testing one of the site trophies.

Most of the characters I play or plan on playing are in my signature. :p
What kind of trophy is that?!

My bad, sorry for assuming.
 

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Oh right, his super armor gimmick which just makes me salty because I'd rather have that on a character that has an actual shield.

But, like, him being good isn't gonna make me like him. And weird move properties aren't gonna change my mind on the fact most of his moves look really basic.
Smash has easily turned my opinion of certain characters as soon as I saw gameplay of them but K.Rool remains the most "wow his inclusion changes literally nothing" I've ever had. Him and Daisy are the only characters I couldn't care less about if they were cut.
I mean to be fair, K. Rool is literally wearing armor.

It's something that was lost in the Paon redesign, but the golden portion of K. Rool was always meant to be chest armor, not his exposed stomach.
 

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Halo is the Microsoft character I'd want the most and is probably the least likely to happen. I'd be super excited for him.
Honestly me too, but a lot of the early 00's and old school FPS guys that aren't drastically realistic would translate well in smash.

Most of them have guns that aren't really guns
 
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As unhappy as Chrom's reveal made me, I'm over it. A lot of people really wanted it and it made a large majority happy, so to me there's honestly no harm done. Especially since I like Chrom as a character anyway. :p

Besides, taste in characters is, of course, entirely subjective. There is no way to say "This character is an objectively bad pick" when any of the reasons for thinking that are rooted in personal bias.
 

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Nah, people didn't want her because ''SHE'S SO CUTE AND I DON'T WANT TO BEAT HER UP."

But apparently Kirby, Pikachu, Yoshi, Jigglypuff, etc are perfectly fine.

As is beating up cute children like Ness and Lucas.
Child abuse is perfectly fine in the world of Nintendo (Pokémon characters always fight so they’re fine, and Yoshi is a criminal...that ******* deserves the beatdowns)
 
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I mean to be fair, K. Rool is literally wearing armor.

It's something that was lost in the Paon redesign, but the golden portion of K. Rool was always meant to be chest armor, not his exposed stomach.
That reminds me, I kinda wish that when K.Rool’s armour broke, it revealed the belly from the Paon design. Would have been a neat way to pay homage to that design, even if I’m not fond of it personally.
 
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Do we know how characters like Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, and Dr. Mario are gonna be handeled in World of Light? I mean they're all just existing characters wearing different outfits... maybe they can't be unlocked through WoL and only through VS matches? Or maybe they'll be hidden characters a la Toon Link or Wolf in Subspace Emissary
 

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F!Corrin = better lines, more hope, more marketable, better for the Revelations storyline (the only canon story in Fates), better sibling, and more inspirational in Heores...like damn she good
I haven't completed Revelations yet-- trying to bludgeon my way through it the last few weeks-- but what makes female Corrin better for it exactly? Aside from romances, the plot seemed fairly gender neutral. I don't remember anyone treating you much differently depending on gender. You're still a total Mary Sue/Gary Stu.
 
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That reminds me, I kinda wish that when K.Rool’s armour broke, it revealed the belly from the Paon design. Would have been a neat way to pay homage to that design, even if I’m not fond of it personally.
I much prefer the Rare design, and I'm pleased with how much Ultimate K. Rool takes from it, but this would've been a neat detail.
 
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Child abuse is perfectly fine in the world of Nintendo (Pokémon characters always fight so they’re fine, and Yoshi is a criminal...that ******* deserves the beatdowns)
Yoshi didn't commit tax fraud without his accomplice, Jigglypuff
 

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Do we know how characters like Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, and Dr. Mario are gonna be handeled in World of Light? I mean they're all just existing characters wearing different outfits... maybe they can't be unlocked through WoL and only through VS matches? Or maybe they'll be hidden characters a la Toon Link or Wolf in Subspace Emissary
There won't be an abundance of cinematics, so they can be just not shown. In regular matches, there's not much reason to treat them differently from other characters.
 

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Do we know how characters like Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, and Dr. Mario are gonna be handeled in World of Light? I mean they're all just existing characters wearing different outfits... maybe they can't be unlocked through WoL and only through VS matches? Or maybe they'll be hidden characters a la Toon Link or Wolf in Subspace Emissary
They managed to make ZSS and Samus both playable in SSE. Just give her her suit via the story and bam.
 

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I haven't completed Revelations yet-- trying to bludgeon my way through it the last few weeks-- but what makes female Corrin better for it exactly? Aside from romances, the plot seemed fairly gender neutral. I don't remember anyone treating you much differently depending on gender. You're still a total Mary Sue/Gary Stu.
People are taking the "compassionate peacekeeper = female" stereotype and running away with it to justify F!Corrin somehow being better in the plot. Well, not so much "are" as "have been for some time".
 
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