Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Pyra]

Spirits, but it's Super Smash Kart

 

[Cosmic77]

Smash Tour wasn't a good idea to begin with. When you buy Smash, you expect a game full of fighting and action, not a casual board game that sprinkles in these weird "minigame battles" between turns.

I'll give Sakurai credit for trying something new, but I would've liked something else. Didn't necessarily have to be Smash Run, but something more engaging would've been nice.

 

[Pyra]

Smash Tour wasn't a good idea to begin with. When you buy Smash, you expect a game full of fighting and action, not a casual board game that sprinkles in these weird "minigame battles" between turns.

I'll give Sakurai credit for trying something new, but I would've liked something else. Didn't necessarily have to be Smash Run, but something more engaging would've been nice.

Yeah.
I don't want it to come back.

But if it does, I need them to go all in on their bull**** and quadruple down on it.

Quintuple down.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I kind of forgot Smash Tour even existed.

 

[Wyoming]

I'm just glad we don't have to speculate about which veteran will get cut

That was the toughest part during the smash 4 era

Yeah it's a bit weird that we didn't have a single discussion about cuts because of June. Feels good as that can be toxic.

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

Yeah it's a bit weird that we didn't have a single discussion about cuts because of June. Feels good as that can be toxic.

I won't forget back during brawl speculation, where people actually thought ness would be cut.

 

[Alaskalana]

Geno would be the icing on the Smash Ultimate cake, tbh. If it's just him announced before release I'd be good.

 

[Pyra]

But anyway ****posting aside give me my metroidvania mode, Sakurai

I kind of forgot Smash Tour even existed.

Same

Yeah it's a bit weird that we didn't have a single discussion about cuts because of June. Feels good as that can be toxic.

I'm glad I didn't join the conversation again until after "EVERYONE IS HERE" happened

 

[osby]

I won't forget back during brawl speculation, where people actually thought ness would be cut.

Don't forget Smash For speculation where just about everyone was sure where Ice Climbers was staying because their veteran status, Ike and Lucario were going to be replaced and Wolf was a lock because "Sakurai bias".

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Geno would be the icing on the Smash Ultimate cake, tbh. If it's just him announced before release I'd be good.

I'd love for Geno to make it in, but I wouldn't want him to be the last newcomer announced, not at all.

I'd be quite disappointed.

 

[Pyra]

I'd love for Geno to make it in, but I wouldn't want him to be the last newcomer announced, not at all.

I'd be quite disappointed.

When people say this about Kencineroar everyone gets unreasonably upset

Tbh this is a fine stance to have lol

 

[Deleted member]

Don't forget Smash For speculation where just about everyone was sure where Ice Climbers was staying because their veteran status, Ike and Lucario were going to be replaced and Wolf was a lock because "Sakurai bias".

People still talk about cutting Lucario because he's "irrelevant," conveniently neglecting how popular it is.

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

Don't forget Smash For speculation where just about everyone was sure where Ice Climbers was staying because their veteran status.

Ness has been in since 64 = Getting cut in brawl cause Lucas
ICs has been in since melee = A lock because of "seniority" status

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Jdaster64]

I very much agree with Thinkaman regarding the Direct coming in the next few weeks; more than just the time window before release:
- I don't see it being the week of Nov 16th, as that would take focus away from the impending releases (Let's GO, notably)
- I don't see it being the week of Nov 23rd, as that's a holiday week in one of their major markets
- I definitely can't see them waiting until two weeks before release (admittedly no reason to back this up, but from a leaks perspective alone this seems like it'd be a bold move)

Which'd leave just the next three weeks.

Regarding single-player modes, abstractly, I want:
1. Modes with gameplay that differs substantially from the Smash format without losing or abstracting away the general combat and movement mechanics (cough Smash Tour)
2. Modes that make natural use out of individual characters' abilities
3. Modes that offer unique platforming content; what's the use of a platform fighter if all the side modes are composed of the existing stages?

Concretely in terms of existing ideas, I'd love to see substantial aspects of these brought back (if not the modes wholesale):
- Smash Run: Takes some of all of the above, particularly #1. The Air Ride City Trial format works well as it stands, and the ever-accelerating pace of exploring the map hoping to find more buffs is exhilarating. Could be fun to build on the bonuses rather than just stats (character-specific buffs? CPU allies? Extra stocks à la Smash Tour?)
- (64/Melee's) Break the Targets; by far the best example of #2 in the series to date; something akin to Kirby's Return to Dream Land's ability challenges could be a decent mix of combat and movement as well.
- Subspace Emissary: I stand by this mode's platforming segments being engaging. I think cues from Melee's Adventure could be incorporated in terms of references, and I think focusing either on an Amazing Mirror-style full open exploration or a Kirby's Adventure / Super Star-styled map, rather than both, in a spiritual successor would help it to not feel as padded. Whatever the case, I think the roster's at a point where a Melee-style adventure trying to represent all series doesn't really scale, and aspects of that could already be incorporated into the character-specific Classic mode tracks.

 

[Pyra]

It's like we're about to go into an ironic retrospective conversation about who will have had been cut.

 

[Deleted member]

Ness has been in since 64 = Getting cut in brawl cause Lucas
ICs has been in since melee = A lock because of "seniority" status

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

People taking "Sakurai" at "his" word will always be a thing.

From the Dojo: "There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar."

 

[Nekoo]

People taking "Sakurai" at "his" word will always be a thing.

From the Dojo: "There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar."

B-but Sakurai i-is our g-god...H-his words are f-fact!

 

[Deleted member]

B-but Sakurai i-is our g-god...H-his words are f-fact!

If Sakurai is a god, that makes his translators and the staff that runs the websites priests that twist his word.

 

[Pyra]

B-but Sakurai i-is our g-god...H-his words are f-fact!

"We're slowing down with reveals"...

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Regarding Spirits, in my absolutely factual oppinion -

It's either an Adventure mode almost as large as Subspace, or an entirely new mode (my bet on a Great Maze Metroidvania).

There's no way he's been teasing Smash Tour 2, or even Smash Run 2 in my oppinion. It's gotta be a big deal.

Also try to convince be it won't be the way we unlock characters , you can't.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

"We're slowing down with reveals"...

And, they have... kind of?

 

[osby]

- Subspace Emissary: I stand by this mode's platforming segments being engaging. I think cues from Melee's Adventure could be incorporated in terms of references, and I think focusing either on an Amazing Mirror-style full open exploration or a Kirby's Adventure / Super Star-styled map, rather than both, in a spiritual successor would help it to not feel as padded. Whatever the case, I think the roster's at a point where a Melee-style adventure trying to represent all series doesn't really scale, and aspects of that could already be incorporated into the character-specific Classic mode tracks.

Don't really have anything to add, but it's always nice seeing people who liked Subspace Emissary's platforming. Also, your ideas sounds cool.

 

[Deleted member]

Regarding Spirits, in my absolutely factual oppinion -

It's either an Adventure mode almost as large as Subspace, or an entirely new mode (my bet on a Great Maze Metroidvania).

There's no way he's been teasing Smash Tour 2, or even Smash Run 2 in my oppinion. It's gotta be a big deal.

Also try to convince be it won't be the way we unlock characters , you can't.

Brawl and Smash 4 also had that thing of unlocking each one with a certain number of matchs played or winned.

 

[Pyra]

And, they have... kind of?

I wonder.
I guess it depends on what their next reveal event looks like.

 

[Freduardo]

Since we do know this game isn’t afraid to lift some assets from Smash 4:

What enemies from smash run/subspace emissary do you see getting reused in spirits?

Me, I see a lot more smash run enemies getting reused than subspace emissary.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smash_Run

Look at that enemies list. It even includes some subspace emissary enemies.

I should play some smash run

 

[osby]

Since we do know this game isn’t afraid to lift some assets from Smash 4:

What enemies from smash run/subspace emissary do you see getting reused in spirits?

Me, I see a lot more smash run enemies getting reused than subspace emissary.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smash_Run

Look at that enemies list. It even includes some subspace emissary enemies.

I should play some smash run

I want to see Mites return.

 

[Deleted member]

Since we do know this game isn’t afraid to lift some assets from Smash 4:

What enemies from smash run/subspace emissary do you see getting reused in spirits?

Me, I see a lot more smash run enemies getting reused than subspace emissary.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smash_Run

Look at that enemies list. It even includes some subspace emissary enemies.

I should play some smash run

Mizzo needs to actually be used this time.

 

[Nekoo]

Oh yeah, by the way, I decided to make a big infography about the Square-Enix rumors right now, because I keep seeing people spreading missinformation about it, like forgetting that it's not JUST an image leak or whatever. And I took our two main leak candidate for it along side more information, it would be nice to get your feedbacks if I forgot anything.

 

[Pyra]

Since we do know this game isn’t afraid to lift some assets from Smash 4:

What enemies from smash run/subspace emissary do you see getting reused in spirits?

Me, I see a lot more smash run enemies getting reused than subspace emissary.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smash_Run

Look at that enemies list. It even includes some subspace emissary enemies.

I should play some smash run

We talking Story Mode enemy cuts now?

Just kidding. Honestly, this whole list I could see coming back in some way depending on what "Spirits" actually is.
I kinda want to see zones based on the different franchises with lots of enemies from that franchise. (Plus maybe SE enemies.)

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Brawl and Smash 4 also had that thing of unlocking each one with a certain number of matchs played or winned.

I was referring to Sakurai saying there was going to be a fast and fun way to unlock characters - gotta be tied to the new mode.

As for unlocking characters by number of matches....on one hand I don't see why they would take it away, but on the other how are they going to evenly spread out 60+ characters? Maybe a new fighter every 10 matches???? Idk

Edit: Also this doesn't scream getting new fighters to join your side constantly to me. But yea will probably remain an option.

 

[The DanMan051]

I doubt MH will be dlc but Rex is a lock.

It's already got it's foot in the door with Rathalos as a boss and AT + the Ancestral Steppe area. Coupled with it being Capcom's biggest franchise not in Smash, it seems like a pretty safe guess.

Yeah it's a bit weird that we didn't have a single discussion about cuts because of June. Feels good as that can be toxic.

And then there's gamefaqs, where that didn't stop anything and if anything people are further emboldened to talk about who "should've" been cut

Oh yeah, by the way, I decided to make a big infography about the Square-Enix rumors right now, because I keep seeing people spreading missinformation about it, like forgetting that it's not JUST an image leak or whatever. And I took our two main leak candidate for it along side more information, it would be nice to get your feedbacks if I forgot anything.

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Really solid, aside from the grammar issues.

 

[Wyoming]

People still talk about cutting Lucario because he's "irrelevant," conveniently neglecting how popular it is.

That's what tends to happen with nearly every veteran.

People talk relevancy when their popularity triumphs that. Once upon a time all these characters were the most requested.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Oh yeah, by the way, I decided to make a big infography about the Square-Enix rumors right now, because I keep seeing people spreading missinformation about it, like forgetting that it's not JUST an image leak or whatever. And I took our two main leak candidate for it along side more information, it would be nice to get your feedbacks if I forgot anything.

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That's pretty solid. Props to you.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Well not sure things are going but because of the reddit thing in Japan about might having full games and they start 11/3

If they don’t show something October there chances of showing the roster leak free is going to hit 1% chance

 

[Deleted member]

What I hope for Spirits is that it goes all out with bosses. So far it only has 2 and it's not making me hopeful tbh.

 

[Deleted member]

Geemers, Reod, Kihunters and the Metroids should return as enemies.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

So what's new?

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

What I hope for Spirits is that it goes all out with bosses. So far it only has 2 and it's not making me hopeful tbh.

One of the reasons I'm not convinced it's a boss rush. But I guess they could drop 10+ bosses in the next direct.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

So what's new?

Nothing that I know of. :/

 

[Deleted member]

Seriously, is it too much to ask for an Arceus boss fight? Fighting God would be dope and we have Spear Pillar back to use for assets.

So what's new?

Nothing much but Sucon just got announced.