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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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What do you guys think the release month for this is? I’m thinking it could be September to coincide with Nintendo’s online service, or November since that is a hot release month for big Nintendo releases.
I had earlier stated that I think it could be as early as September, but no later than roughly the week before Black Friday. Depends on if they want to focus on Holiday sales or having an incredible game to launch alongside the paid online service.
 

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What do you guys think the release month for this is? I’m thinking it could be September to coincide with Nintendo’s online service, or November since that is a hot release month for big Nintendo releases.
Both of them are possible. Can't think of a better month for it.

Unless it will be right after E3 like DLC was.
 

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Rosters? I haven't updated mine in two years...I'd add Spring Man now, and trim down the third party characters and some of the veterans I brought back. The idea here was "the maximum amount of characters for a Smash Bros. on Switch, after all DLC."
Loving the red background for the Switch!
Also it's been too long since we've seen one of your rosters, haha. The Dragon Quest Hero (I think that's who that is?) is an interesting choice.
 

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Rosters? I haven't updated mine in two years...I'd add Spring Man now, and trim down the third party characters and some of the veterans I brought back. The idea here was "the maximum amount of characters for a Smash Bros. on Switch, after all DLC."
Goddamn this roster is so ****in slick! Also having Snake, Simon, and Rayman on there gets you bonus points from me.
 

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What do you guys think the release month for this is? I’m thinking it could be September to coincide with Nintendo’s online service, or November since that is a hot release month for big Nintendo releases.
Both are fair guesses, though September to coincide with the online launch seems most likely.

Either way I'm excited beyond belief, because a 2018 release means we're going to likely be getting tons of info over the course of the next 6-8 months. Expecting quite the blowout at E3.

Also to add to that, when do you guys think we'll get more info on the game, or at that our first glimpse of gameplay? Kind of a bizarre situation to have the first reveal trailer for a Smash game both show a newcomer while also not showing any gameplay.
 
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Both are fair guesses, though September to coincide with the online launch seems most likely.

Either way I'm excited beyond belief, because a 2018 release means we're going to likely be getting tons of info over the course of the next 6-8 months. Expecting quite the blowout at E3.

Also to add to that, when do you guys think we'll get more info on the game, or at that our first glimpse of gameplay? Kind of a bizarre situation to have the first reveal trailer for a Smash game both show a newcomer while also not showing any gameplay.
They did it at E3 2014.
 

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I don´t see an opportunity for them to show some more information about the game until E3.
Unless they do a Smash direct all of a sudden.
 

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Both are fair guesses, though September to coincide with the online launch seems most likely.

Either way I'm excited beyond belief, because a 2018 release means we're going to likely be getting tons of info over the course of the next 6-8 months. Expecting quite the blowout at E3.

Also to add to that, when do you guys think we'll get more info on the game, or at that our first glimpse of gameplay? Kind of a bizarre situation to have the first reveal trailer for a Smash game both show a newcomer while also not showing any gameplay.
I think it could come sooner than we think. If its coming out this year and they didn't wait til E3 to reveal it, they're showing that they're ready to get this show on the road. I wouldn't be shocked to see something at least mildly significant before the end of March, and it will only go up from there.
 

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I completely agree that Spring Man has thus far been the posterboy for ARMS. This is why I wanted to clarify terms.

That said, I dont think being the posterboy for the first game necessarily means he is going to always be so.
The game's promotion, from Nintendo's point of view, has been modeled after Splatoon.
While Splatoon is not a character based game in the way that ARMS is, I would actually relate the characters on the cover of ARMS to the Squids on Splatoon. The first game had the orange girl and the blue boy. The second game wanted to show that it was the sequel by switching to a pink girl and green boy. As of right now, I'm inclined to think that ARMS 2 is going to have two other characters on the cover, possibly new characters or ones that are greatly altered.

I find this comparison much more congruent than that of Spring Man to Tracer. Nintendo has always created and followed its own trends, and I dont really see a reason to compare Spring Man to Tracer, with the exception that both games have gotten lots of DLC (albeit in very different ways, to the point that ARMS even stated it is done with DLC, similar to how Splatoon stated when it's DLC was done after the first game).

Let's leave that one for @BluePikmin11 to come up with his famous out-of-the-box characters ;)
I am still waiting for the amazing, Carmen Sandiego, to get into the game.
Or a frickin Oregon Pioneer. I want a Final Smash where you give someone dysentery and they are K.O'd.

(and to a lesser extent, am hoping for a TOMB RAIDER announcement with the release of the movie)/
 
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Rosters? I haven't updated mine in two years...I'd add Spring Man now, and trim down the third party characters and some of the veterans I brought back. The idea here was "the maximum amount of characters for a Smash Bros. on Switch, after all DLC."
Really liking this roster. Honestly any reasonable roster that includes Toad has my support, but you've got a lot of other inclusions I really like, like Paper Mario, Excitebiker, Bandanna Dee and Karate Joe. My main criticisms were the things you addressed and said you would cut down on (Shantae, Shovel Knight, Young Link, Pichu, etc.). Other than those the only inclusion I'm not a fan of is Elma.
 

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Oof. Same thing. Potato, potato.


You want everyone to have a bad time?
They already do, just ask the Ness players how they feel when they play against Rosalina :^)


Rosters? I haven't updated mine in two years...I'd add Spring Man now, and trim down the third party characters and some of the veterans I brought back. The idea here was "the maximum amount of characters for a Smash Bros. on Switch, after all DLC."
Seeing Simon Belmont in there makes me wish Konami were on better terms with the industry in general. We'll probably never get him or have Snake return because of the shenanigans they've been up to as of late :c:ohwell:
 
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Seeing Simon Belmont in there makes me wish Konami were on better terms with the industry in general. We'll probably never get him or have Snake return because of the shenanigans they've been up to as of late :c :ohwell:
If only the Netflix series were somehow produced by Nintendo.
Or on its new Disney esque streaming service.


I mean that isnt a thing but as McDonald's would say in the 90s "Hey, it could happen."
 
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I don’t think this will happen, but honestly, I’d cut all the third party characters. They just dilute the Nintendo vibe too much, and would leave room for newcomers that are actually from Nintendo franchises. Meh.
 

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I don’t think this will happen, but honestly, I’d cut all the third party characters. They just dilute the Nintendo vibe too much, and would leave room for newcomers that are actually from Nintendo franchises. Meh.
They’re 10 years too late to do that. Snake, Sonic, Mega Man, and Cloud all made the biggest splash in the media over those past 10-12 years. They’re not going anywhere if Nintendo can help it.
 

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I don’t think this will happen, but honestly, I’d cut all the third party characters. They just dilute the Nintendo vibe too much, and would leave room for newcomers that are actually from Nintendo franchises. Meh.
I can understand wanting to cut the 3rd party characters, but cutting Sonic? That's a little ridiculous imo. There'd probably be some sizeable backlash from the community too- I'd imagine they'd still want their Mario vs. Sonic in the new game.

And at this point, they're here to stay if the reaction to Cloud has anything to say about it.
 
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What do you guys think the release month for this is? I’m thinking it could be September to coincide with Nintendo’s online service, or November since that is a hot release month for big Nintendo releases.
September, as exact date as the online service.

This comment from a investor's meeting back in January stated they wanted to have attractive content to get people to sub to it and what else is more attractive then Smash online play.

https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/958881018995290112

The reason why I am also skeptical about a November date is simply due them releasing Odyssey last October instead of the weekend before black friday.
 

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Y'all want to know something hype I just realized?

If this is fully being revealed at E3 (It is) and then releasing this year, the rate at which info is put out is going to be insane. We could be looking at a newcomer reveal every month.
 
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Y'all want to know something hype I just realized?

If this is fully being revealed at E3 (It is) and then releasing this year, the rate at which info is put out is going to be insane. We could be looking at a newcomer reveal every month.
That’s assuming it is actually Smash 5.
 

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I can understand wanting to cut the 3rd party characters, but cutting Sonic? That's a little ridiculous imo. There'd probably be some sizeable backlash from the community too- I'd imagine they'd still want their Mario vs. Sonic in the new game.

And at this point, they're here to stay if the reaction to Cloud has anything to say about it.
I have less of a problem with classic characters like Sonic/Megaman, but Cloud, Ryu, and Bayonetta seem a little too disconnected for my tastes. At least Sonic and Nintendo have some history, and he fits the world well.

I just worry this’ll go even further, and Smash5 will be filled with more 3rd Party reps (or god forbid anime), and the likes of Spyro, Rayman and Crash will be running around. While they might be decent characters, again, this started out as a celebration of Nintendo, and I feel that’s being lost somewhat.
 

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That’s assuming it is actually Smash 5.
It's smash 5 alright, don't worry. It was copyrighted 2018, not 2014-2018. Sakurai's tweet about it really sounds like it's not a port. And I'm pretty sure I saw one of Nintendo's official websites refer to it as an "all-new game."
 

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I'm away from this topic for two days...
Please tell me we got some uncles working at Nintendo. This kind of "leaks" were the most fun topics to discuss in the pre-Smash4 era.
 

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I have less of a problem with classic characters like Sonic/Megaman, but Cloud, Ryu, and Bayonetta seem a little too disconnected for my tastes. At least Sonic and Nintendo have some history, and he fits the world well.

I just worry this’ll go even further, and Smash5 will be filled with more 3rd Party reps (or god forbid anime), and the likes of Spyro, Rayman and Crash will be running around. While they might be decent characters, again, this started out as a celebration of Nintendo, and I feel that’s being lost somewhat.
Ah I see, thanks for clarifying.

While they might be decent characters, again, this started out as a celebration of Nintendo, and I feel that’s being lost somewhat.
While I currently understand the sentiment (I even shared it at one point when Snake was in Brawl), I feel like Smash's character roster (had it solely been 1st party characters bar Sonic up until Brawl or even Smash 4) would've eventually reached a point where it had to be a celebration of not just Nintendo, but just gaming as a whole. Sure that aspect of 'celebration of Nintendo' is being muddied, but it feels like a natural evolution of the series more than anything imo.
 

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I have less of a problem with classic characters like Sonic/Megaman, but Cloud, Ryu, and Bayonetta seem a little too disconnected for my tastes. At least Sonic and Nintendo have some history, and he fits the world well.

I just worry this’ll go even further, and Smash5 will be filled with more 3rd Party reps (or god forbid anime), and the likes of Spyro, Rayman and Crash will be running around. While they might be decent characters, again, this started out as a celebration of Nintendo, and I feel that’s being lost somewhat.
Yeah too many 3rd parties is never a good idea. It should be noted however that the 3rd parties in for example smash 4 are still heavily outnumbered by the nintendo characters. I mean six 3rd party characters is pretty well balanced for a roster of 58 characters.
 

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I'm away from this topic for two days...
Please tell me we got some uncles working at Nintendo. This kind of "leaks" were the most fun topics to discuss in the pre-Smash4 era.
My friend's godfather's gay lover works at Nintendo. 70% of the Roster is Kid Icarus Uprising characters. Shrek was also added by popular demand, he has a jetpack and makes references to dated memes.
 

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My friend's godfather's gay lover works at Nintendo. 70% of the Roster is Kid Icarus Uprising characters. Shrek was also added by popular demand, he has a jetpack and makes references to dated memes.
See now I'm not sure if Shrek is in it at all. My Dad's friend's dog's previous owner works for Nintendo Australia. He says that Shrek rides on Donkey and his theme is All-Star by Smashmouth. Now I'm worried...
 
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