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Disguise is the whole identify, theme and flavor of Mimikyu. I don't know how you love the character, yet want it to enter the game without the whole idea behind the pokemon. Just have it be a pokeball summon then.
I don't have a problem with Zelda taking the Champion moves even though she didn't use them, she's the leader of the champions so I'd rather her get them than Link.
Urbosa's fury is essentially just the Phantom summon anyhow. The champion specials are a good way to fix her specials. They could always be visually changed into other magic or honestly, just kept (without the ghost of the Champion appearing).
I see this double standard way too often regarding changing Zelda's Moveset. BOTW Zelda doesn't make sense using the OOT spells just as much as future Zeldas using BOTW powers. It's basically a lose lose. Personally I'm a fan of keeping her Moveset mostly intact but changing the astethic of some of her moves (Naryu's love becomes Daruk's protection). And then in the future they can change it again.
But..that's like the whole selling part about Elma, the only thing that interests me about her character. I swear if Elma gets in and doesn't use swords and guns I'll be really bummed :/That idea sounds like it would make Elma really imbalanced mechanically. Projectile characters generally don't have big disjointed hitboxes and sword characters usually don't have a way to menace opponents from long range. The characters that DO have both multiple projectiles and swords have either mediocre to bad mobility and recovery () or mediocre range and kill power (
Being a Smash Run enemy would also be an option for Mimikyu, as you would have to first take down the disguise before any real damage can be dealt.
Because I don't want Mimikyu to be balanced horribly just so it can get some silly gimmick that doesn't even make sense.
You are right about how the mechanic Disguise is utilized in the pokemon game. The purpose of the mechanic is to reflect the nature and personality and reason for existence of Mimikyu.
That's quite exactly what did they in Melee to Brawl period. To be honest, I don't have any problem with name changes to moves, even if goddesses are important, Link got them too.
If she got the Champion abilities it'd be about as jarring as TP Zelda using ST's Phantom Zelda or transforming into (an albeit, redesigned) OOT's Sheik. Neither ability belong to that particular incarnation of the character, yet she still uses them since they are tied to her in other ways.
We already know BOTW Link is appearing at least as a costume, why would Zelda stay the same? Even if her Moveset doesn't change it's all but confirmed her costume will match Link's.
Well, not to mention that transformations also change character properties. E.g. Zelda > Shiek. Of course, poor balance isn't excusable. In Melee, Shiek and Zelda were supposed to be two sides of the same coin: Zelda is the slower hard-hitter, Sheik is the fast combo-starter. In initial design, Sheik was supposed to be far weaker than Zelda. There were supposed to be trade-offs.
Those are essentially one move though. Most people are advocating for a complete BotW Zelda. I think it's fine having a move or two representing different parts of Zelda, but having a complete moveset overhaul to only capture BotW is faulty logic.
I feel we'll get BotW Zelda as a costume, but I really can't see it be her default. I see Link and Zelda getting their "traditional" BotW gear; Link with his Wild set, and Zelda with her princess garbs. (also I like brunette Zelda, better than being the 11th blonde we have in the game)
Agreed.
A single move is awkward enough, but making it to where the entire moveset involves the Champions? That's just too much of a change IMO. It's only acknowledging a single LoZ game (albeit a popular one) and throwing away everything else.
I'd be fine with TP Link and Zelda staying in the game through alts, but having the TP Zelda being the only version of Zelda we get? That's just weird and tacky as heck.
Yo we are totally in sync with how we feel about Zelda :D
The thing is it already happened before. Pit in Brawl drew heavily from the original game and his moves were derived from the Goddess weapons, in Smash 4 all of his B moves were overhauled (excluding the bow, which he does use in both games) for his moves in Uprising, and a couple of them didn't even work the same in function such as the Angel Ring and Upperdash Arm. Pit is also the same exact character, so he could've kept those moves if Sakurai wanted, yet that didn't stop him from changing up the character to be more updated to his current appearance.
You don't think that had anything to do with the sheer amount of Uprising content Sakurai added to the game? You gotta admit that is clear bias; of course he's going to overhaul Pit after he rebirthed that franchise.
It's also because Pit's old moveset wasn't directly taken from his old games in every aspect like Angel Ring or his detachable bow. He had a redesign before Uprising was out, so I'd say he's a exceptional case.
The Disguise is literally what makes Mimikyu stand out among the crowd though, and the basis of its entire identity. IMO either Sakurai adds Mimikyu with a moveset based around Disguise, or he won't add Mimikyu at all. It's way too integral to the character.
Ignoring the fact that up until Sm4sh, Zelda's moves have only referenced one game: Ocarina of Time.
Man, I HOPE SO. I loved Zelda's English VA. Listening to her geek on about that frog was adorable.
If we're going to argue bias, then BotW seems to be getting more attention then any mainline Zelda game since TP as Link is getting a redesign from that game and is even switching up to being a righty rather then a lefty like the majority of his other incarnations. That can easily translate to either (or both) Link or Zelda getting moveset changes to reflect the new game, especially since even TP Link came with his own unique tweaks like the Gale Boomerang.
I would say it would probably be the Upupupu bear himself cuz Monokuma is the main villain that has appeared in every game.
I hope so. I'm a part of the minority who thought Zelda's phony British accent was nice and complimented her regal status fairly well. I'm a little worried about her grunts and screams though. Patricia Sumersett didn't have a lot of variation in her tone when she voiced Zelda. Then again, I'm supporting Mipha, and she was 10x more monotone than Zelda.
OoT was literally one of the only Zelda games around the time of Melee with enough material for Sakurai to make a moveset for Zelda. There's not much else he could've used back then, and TP didn't really offer much either.
I was thinking maybe Junko with monokuma, like she uses him in some moves
I guess, but having two whole different movesets (like suggested here) is a bit much imo, especially when Mimikyu looks more or less the same anyway (and while moving, its "head" will probably be bobbling all around anyway). To me, the actual disguise it wears is its "thing", but the ability called Disguise is just a mechanic in the Pokémon games and those rarely even show up in Smash.
It makes the most sense to me for it to just be a passsive that grants Mimikyu super armor or invincibility to the first attack that would flinch or damage it per stock, while the rest of its moveset is a mix of Pikachu imitations, ghost/fairy moves, and MImikyu's unique charm.
I was thinking about making a Toon Zelda character that has Phantom Slash as her down
instead of
Very tempted to do this. Think I'll just have to plan on grabbing lunch convinently the same time as the direct.
