Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Cutie Gwen]

I thought it was more reminiscent of Link's down stab. But Ducktales didn't have a world map or shops where you bought upgrades.

Link's was only an attack, Scrooge used it for platforming

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I thought it was more reminiscent of Link's down stab. But Ducktales didn't have a world map or shops where you bought upgrades. I was referring to the overall style of the game.

That's because it's a composite game that merges many gameplay elements from various NES platformers.

It's not meant to feel like a single game, but a bunch of them at once.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

That's because it's a composite game that merges many gameplay elements from various NES platformers.

It's not meant to feel like a single game, but a bunch of them at once.

Of course, combining the greatest parts of DuckTales and Mega Man and Castlevania and Zelda 2!

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Here's an interesting question-Do you personally believe an indie character is deserving of being a playable Smash character?

I personally wouldn't add any indies to Smash yet. I think they should add more well-known third-parties, like Bomberman, Simon Belmont or Rayman.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Here's an interesting question-Do you personally believe an indie character is deserving of being a playable Smash character?

I don't know actually... Minecraft's hit Nintendo twice now and is a REALLY REALLY REALLY big deal... And Commander Video has a trophy in-game. Shovel Knight has an Amiibo going for him.

Shantae, however, is sh**.

 

[Arcadenik]

I personally wouldn't add any indies to Smash yet. I think they should add more well-known third-parties, like Bomberman, Simon Belmont and Rayman.

Fixed because I think all 3 should be in Smash.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Just talk about Post-BoTW Zelda representation since the last time I saw Zelda discussion was when Tetra was still relevant

> Implying The Legend of Zelda will ever get a newcomer.

This is the sad truth.

 

[Zerp]

Here's an interesting question-Do you personally believe an indie character is deserving of being a playable Smash character?

I'd have absolutely no qualms with Shovel Knight, Steve and Shantae, although I'm not sure if I'd say Shantae truly deserves it (It'd make her large Smash fanbase happy though and I have no problem with that), but the others definitely qualify for being deserving imo.

 

[Opossum]

As far as indies are concerned, Shovel Knight is really the only one I can see happening right now. The amiibo, Nintendo publishing the game in Japan, him having great combat potential with his shovel and relics, having what seemed to be a notable ballot push, and his worldwide appeal. Sorry Shantae.

I don't know actually... Minecraft's hit Nintendo twice now and is a REALLY REALLY REALLY big deal... And Commander Video has a trophy in-game. Shovel Knight has an Amiibo going for him.

Shantae, however, is sh**.

I personally don't count Minecraft as indie anymore now that it's owned by Microsoft.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

There's also the fact that some other indie titles have cameos of Shovel Knight.

How many indie games can brag about that?

 

[Deleted member]

Shovel Knight is like the Morgan Freeman of Indies. :V

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Shovel Knight is like the Morgan Freeman of Indies. :V

He has a soothing voice and narrates everything? :V

 

[UserKev]

Indie discussion?

I can see Sans from Undertale in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

He has a soothing voice and narrates everything? :V

For all we know, he could. :V

Indie discussion?

I can see Sans from Undertale in Smash.

Not before Springtrap :V

 

[True Blue Warrior]

As far as indies are concerned, Shovel Knight is really the only one I can see happening right now. The amiibo, Nintendo publishing the game in Japan, him having great combat potential with his shovel and relics, having what seemed to be a notable ballot push, and his worldwide appeal. Sorry Shantae.

How well did his games do over in Japan?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Yeah, Shovel Knight's the only Indie game character I can see having at least a remote chance of getting in, if not a better chance than that.

His success and popularity has been huge and him and his game have definitely been treated well by other video game companies lately. Other bigger name third parties may overshadow him and any chance he might have, though. Depends on which ones we're talking about.

There's plenty of third parties I'd like to see in Smash, though.

Also, I missed out on the earlier discussion, but yes, please bring Ivysaur in some form (and Squirtle while they're at it. ).

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Not before Springtrap :V

If Five Nights at Freddy's wasn't treated as a mature rated horror show, we'd probably get something more appropriate for the kids to see...

Spoiler

 

[Schnee117]

I can see Sans from Undertale in Smash.

He already is
kill me later

 

[Vintage Creep]

I'm jumping on the Smash Switch is actually Smash 5 train. I doubt it'll come out this year, and I'm pretty sure it's heavily going to be based on Smash 4, but it will be technically a new game. 2014-2018 is a decent enough gap to launch a new installment, and Nintendo needs to give Arms some time to breathe. We can still wait a year and a half for a new smash imho, if it's as good as it'll probably be on Switch. I guess we'll know in a couple of weeks either way.

 

[Luminario]

Shantae, however, is sh**.

fite me.

What y'all got against Shantae and her 4 games all playable on Nintendo consoles, unique transformation gimmick and moveset potential, and notable history with Nintendo? She's one of the indie front-runners and you're all just gonna have to deal with it.

 

[Deleted member]

Shantae, however, is sh**.

Dude, as one of the biggest Zelda detractors on these boards I at least do some efforts to make more elaborated statements. :V

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I'd take Scrooge McDuck over any third party nitwit any day

fite me.

What y'all got against Shantae and her 4 games all playable on Nintendo consoles, unique transformation gimmick and moveset potential, and notable history with Nintendo? She's one of the indie front-runners and you're all just gonna have to deal with it.

Yes she's definitely in the lead in the indie race.
Just like a snail is faster than a rock and even then Shovel Knight leapfrogs over them with how many exposure he's gotten.

 

[Kirbeh]

Can we please not start a petty feud over the indie characters? Both Shantae and Shovel Knight have merit, but neither are very likely as of this point.

I've never understood why there's always seemed to be beef between specifically Shantae and Shovel Knight fans.

My two cents; I'd be happy with either or both. My preference is Shantae, but I do think Shovel Knight holds the edge out of sheer popularity and exposure. That said, I think we're more likely to see Ridley finally get in before we get indies, let alone western ones. At best I could see SK get a trophy like Commander Video. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong of course, but I prefer to keep my expectations as low as possible if not lower than what's expected at times.

 

[Zem-raj]

I'm jumping on the Smash Switch is actually Smash 5 train. I doubt it'll come out this year, and I'm pretty sure it's heavily going to be based on Smash 4, but it will be technically a new game. 2014-2018 is a decent enough gap to launch a new installment, and Nintendo needs to give Arms some time to breathe. We can still wait a year and a half for a new smash imho, if it's as good as it'll probably be on Switch. I guess we'll know in a couple of weeks either way.

So basically a new Smash re-using Smash WiiU's engine and assets?

 

[Arcadenik]

> Implying The Legend of Zelda will ever get a newcomer.

This is the sad truth.

Breath of the Wild didn't really give us a character that could be in Smash. The Champions are important, yes, but I doubt one of them would be picked over the others. The Old Man, as appealing as he is, is probably not happening. Impa is elderly again and showed no signs of combative skills like the Impa of Skyward Sword did.

I hope Nintendo reuses the same assets and engine from Breath of the Wild to make a new Zelda game that takes place in Termina or Lorule. They did that before when they reused Ocarina of Time assets and engine to come up with Majora's Mask.

 

[Curious Villager]

Closest thing for Breath of the Wild related would be Ganon with his malice form as a final Smash or something, but that's the closest thing that goes when it comes to characters from Breath of the Wild.

Where probably most likely going to stick with the Twilight Princess + Wind Waker cast again.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Closest thing for Breath of the Wild related would be Ganon with his malice form as a final Smash or something, but that's the closest thing that goes when it comes to characters from Breath of the Wild.

Where probably most likely going to stick with the Twilight Princess + Wind Waker cast again.

Can we at least update their look to BOTW designs? I'm sick of TP Link

 

[Curious Villager]

Can we at least update their look to BOTW designs? I'm sick of TP Link

Yeah same, I'd like it if they diversified the Zelda cast a little more in terms of design. Toon Link is a step in the right direction as he's pretty much the only character who doesn't use a TP esque design. (As in, at least they didn't create a TP Young Link) Even the Assist Trophies where done nicely where every Zelda character was from a different Zelda game.

At the very least, they should give Sheik her original Ocarina of Time design back. They can keep the TP design as an alt if they want.

 

[FunAtParties]

Can we at least update their look to BOTW designs? I'm sick of TP Link

I like the TP design, but it could use some tweaks. I have no idea why people get so upset about it though.

 

[Arcadenik]

Closest thing for Breath of the Wild related would be Ganon with his malice form as a final Smash or something, but that's the closest thing that goes when it comes to characters from Breath of the Wild.

Where probably most likely going to stick with the Twilight Princess + Wind Waker cast again.

I was a little disappointed when I saw that Link and Zelda kept their Twilight Princess designs in Smash 4. I wanted them updated to Skyward Sword designs, especially Zelda. I adored her Skyward Sword design.

Spoiler

I hope Link and especially Zelda are updated to Breath of the Wild designs in Smash 5. I love Zelda's Breath of the Wild design!

Spoiler

 

[Curious Villager]

Arcadenik you might want to put those under a spoiler or quotation tags, their kind of big....

That said, I do like Zelda's newer design's as well as her ALBW design. I do wish we could have played as one of those sometime. Perhaps they could expand on the alternate costumes a little, at least for Link and Zelda....

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Smash in general needs to step up the alt costume game. The fact that simple **** like Shiny Pokemon are missing is a joke. Where's Mr. L for Luigi? What about the Cosplay Pikachus? Why no boxing glove DK? Masked Dedede?? So many missed opportunities..

 

[Zem-raj]

Smash in general needs to step up the alt costume game. The fact that simple **** like Shiny Pokemon are missing is a joke. Where's Mr. L for Luigi? What about the Cosplay Pikachus? Why no boxing glove DK? Masked Dedede?? So many missed opportunities..

Well, I get what you mean, but really it's down to time management of development. It would probably take too long to make so many different costume alts for 50+ characters and get them all to work in the game, when all that effort could be put in elsewhere. They probably have a certain budget target, as well as a deadline. Making colours as alts is probably just easier and cheaper. Though the shiny Pokémon alts being missing, there's no excuse for that.

 

[Curious Villager]

Well, I get what you mean, but really it's down to time management of development. It would probably take too long to make so many different costume alts for 50+ characters and get them all to work in the game, when all that effort could be put in elsewhere. They probably have a certain budget target, as well as a deadline. Making colours as alts is probably just easier and cheaper. Though the shiny Pokémon alts being missing, there's no excuse for that.

It wouldn't have minded too much if they had made some alternate costumes for DLC, rather than just doing that for the Mii fighters and all.

 

[Vintage Creep]

So basically a new Smash re-using Smash WiiU's engine and assets?

Yeah, sort of like Splatoon 2. I think it's the best way to go, just wait a bit since this year is already full of big guns, and release it in 2018. A remaster in my opinion would be kind of underwhelming.

 

[Arcadenik]

Arcadenik you might want to put those under a spoiler or quotation tags, their kind of big....

That said, I do like Zelda's newer design's as well as her ALBW design. I do wish we could have played as one of those sometime. Perhaps they could expand on the alternate costumes a little, at least for Link and Zelda....

One of the reasons I love Zelda's new design is that it reminds me of the Zelda from the 1980s cartoon.

Spoiler

So I feel a bit nostalgic about Zelda's new design. Damn, she looks amazing! I wish Nintendo included the 1980s cartoon designs as alternate skins for Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, and King of Hyrule in Hyrule Warriors... and I guess the Great Fairy could have Spryte's design... oh, and CD-i designs for Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, and King of Hyrule would have been amazing!

 

[Zem-raj]

It wouldn't have minded too much if they had made some alternate costumes for DLC, rather than just doing that for the Mii fighters and all.

Yeah, I can see something like that being possible. It would mean better development for the standard game, and something I could see people buying (as long as it's decent in price, and bundled). There'll likely be moaning from some that it should have been in the game day 1, but meh...

Yeah, sort of like Splatoon 2. I think it's the best way to go, just wait a bit since this year is already full of big guns, and release it in 2018. A remaster in my opinion would be kind of underwhelming.

I agree. It's something I've thought about for a few months now, and think it's possible.

 

[Opossum]

Smash in general needs to step up the alt costume game. The fact that simple **** like Shiny Pokemon are missing is a joke. Where's Mr. L for Luigi? What about the Cosplay Pikachus? Why no boxing glove DK? Masked Dedede?? So many missed opportunities..

In the case of Cosplay Pikachu at least, I think it had more to do with ORAS releasing literally the same day as Smash Wii U. Had there been more time to plan I think we may have seen them. Though now that the Cosplay Pikachu can't transfer to Sun and Moon, maybe a lack of relevance will factor in, sadly. :/

 

[Deleted member]

If Five Nights at Freddy's wasn't treated as a mature rated horror show, we'd probably get something more appropriate for the kids to see...

Spoiler

Kids play FNAF either way, so it's not like something like Springtrap would be too "horror show" for them to see. :V

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Kids play FNAF either way, so it's not like something like Springtrap would be too "horror show" for them to see. :V

Plus, we have ZSS and Bayonnetta.

If thicc booties in bikinis can sneak inside an E10 game, so can rotting corpses in bunny suits :V