Smash practice

[Prince_Abu]

Hello smash community,

Me and my friend kalamazhu, we play smash a lot. Hes not very good but i still play with him for practice. One day, we were playing smash, and I had this idea that we could each take turns picking the matchup and stage we wanted to play. For example, on my turn if i wanted falco v fox practice, he had to go fox, and then i pick whatever stage i want. Then he has his turn, and so on. I think this method of practice that i came up with helps improve certain matchups.

Do u guys have any smash practicing strategies that you enjoy? Please share.

 

[kalamazhu]

I actually created this game. He just stole the idea

 

[Prince_Abu]

fine u invented it *****

 

[00000001]

That's good and bad.

If you guys are attempting to play seriously it can actually hurt you if you're constantly switching. And if he isn't pro with any of the characters he's using then it's not really helping you to setup certain matchups this way.


I say focus on your mains first and get them solid, then start branching out.

On the other hand, it can help with basics to jump around and learn how each character plays, it can also tell you what to expect if you're unfamiliar.


Risk/Reward, you just gotta decide which you would rather try.

 

[Brookman]

This is an ok. Do continue. This dude above me is bad.

If you want real practice you need to get out to tournaments tho. If you just play casually, this is great.

 

[00000001]

This is an ok. Do continue. This dude above me is bad.

If you want real practice you need to get out to tournaments tho. If you just play casually, this is great.

That's pretty much what I said though. lol

 

[Brookman]

You said it can hurt, which it can't. The fact that both players are bad/inexperienced is the only negative aspect, likely resulting in a false-sense of understanding of certain things in the game.

 

[00000001]

You said it can hurt, which it can't

"If" you're trying to become pro it can absolutely hurt to not stick with one character while you try to learn. Jumping around can keep you from fine tuning important aspects of each character and getting the muscle memory for their individual speed and falling rates and countless other things.

Not saying my advice is the be all end all, just dropping my opinion.

 

[Brookman]

Oh, my mistake.. I should have realized you know all about pro melee ;]

 

[Prince_Abu]

You said it can hurt, which it can't. The fact that both players are bad/inexperienced is the only negative aspect, likely resulting in a false-sense of understanding of certain things in the game.

what makes u think we're bad

 

[Varist]

Even though the only characters I have a shot at not being hopelessly bad with are Marth, Falcon and Doc, I still try to play each character on the roster every day.

While keeping your knowledge "pure" by internalizing all the information for only one character so as not to confuse yourself seems to make sense, when you realize that you need substantial knowledge of every other character to play your chosen one effectively, you will understand that first-person practice with those characters at the cost of this "unhindered understanding" of your own is far more valuable than limiting yourself to finding out how they work exclusively in the second-person (by only fighting the other characters, not playing them).

That's the most hideous run-on sentence I've ever dredged up, but I'm afraid to change it.

So @00000001, Disagree, I would save the building of muscle memory and technical individual character knowledge for after fine-tuning match-up and all other general unspecialized knowledge.

EDIT: except for Game and Watch. **** G&W, no one plays that ****. useless.

 

[Brookman]

"Hes not very good but i still play with him for practice"

 

[kalamazhu]

"Hes not very good but i still play with him for practice"

Lol he was joking. Im much better than you.

To avoid any confusion, I invented " the game" as a way to learn difficult matchups FOR your main. Not as a way to branch out and use other characters. What good does it do for me to play my friend's puff with my peach all day? Sure the tournament environment is much more conducive to improving as you are playing your main the whole day against many different people as opposed to only half, but most people only practice with only 1 or 2 other friends as a time. "The Game" is simply a valuable way to improving and learning matchups with the tools we are given on an average day. Getting better with other characters is just a prize that comes with playing.

 

[Brookman]

. . .

 

[Brookman]

money match?

 

[kalamazhu]

sure anytime just come to michigan

 

[Brookman]

pay for my fare, *****.

 

[kalamazhu]

if a pay for you... whats the point of a money match??

 

[Prince_Abu]

brookman u blow

 

[Brookman]

I'm fairly confident I can beat you guys in a 2v1.

 

[00000001]

Even though the only characters I have a shot at not being hopelessly bad with are Marth, Falcon and Doc, I still try to play each character on the roster every day.

While keeping your knowledge "pure" by internalizing all the information for only one character so as not to confuse yourself seems to make sense, when you realize that you need substantial knowledge of every other character to play your chosen one effectively, you will understand that first-person practice with those characters at the cost of this "unhindered understanding" of your own is far more valuable than limiting yourself to finding out how they work exclusively in the second-person (by only fighting the other characters, not playing them).

That's the most hideous run-on sentence I've ever dredged up, but I'm afraid to change it.

So @00000001, Disagree, I would save the building of muscle memory and technical individual character knowledge for after fine-tuning match-up and all other general unspecialized knowledge.

EDIT: except for Game and Watch. **** G&W, no one plays that ****. useless.

I play G&W sometimes! And maybe it works better to learn muscle memory and such after getting a good hang of the game...Either way it's up to you to decide, was my point.

Or as someone else eloquently put it, "This is an ok!"

 

[Prince_Abu]

I'm fairly confident I can beat you guys in a 2v1.

yea dude u definitely can!!!

 

[Kason Birdman]

money match?

lololololo HYPE

i like the way this sounds, just cause i never get to play spacies

 

[erbanez]

Me and my friend like to play super sudden death on hyrule temple, in the underground area to practice reactions and teching.

 

[ETWIST51294]

My moneys on Book Man

 

[Rockenos]

I'm fairly confident I can beat you guys in a 2v1.

^
MONEYMATCH HYPE!
But yeah, this **** needs to happen, if everyone pitches in a dollar we can get Brookman to Michigan to beat them!
If Brookman loses, I'll stop maining puff
If Brookman wins I'll continue MY ultimate training method. Running laps around my doc main friend on Dreamland with an 8 minute time limit

 

[kalamazhu]

tbh im pretty scared!! we better be on our game to win a 2v1 money match prince!!
It'd be an honor to have a Professional like Brook Man come to our small little town
<3333

 

[Rush]

This must happen. 1v1 and then 2v1 matches.

MM HYPE!

 

[Brookman]

tbh im pretty scared!! we better be on our game to win a 2v1 money match prince!!
It'd be an honor to have a Professional like Brook Man come to our small little town
<3333

I did come to your town, somewhere around 20 years ago.

;]

 

[darkatma]

you guys are around the same level

what's it matter anyways?


As for OP's idea, it might work if you wanted to work on combos against certain characters. It doesn't offer much defensively if you are inexperienced with a character though. For example, even though I can play a multitude of characters decently, my friend still gets ***** (he's a fox main) by samuses and ganons, even though I give him ample practice against both. It mostly has to do with the same habits that you have: if your friend plays with you often, he's most accustomed to your habits, which won't change for the majority of characters you play with. Other people's habits take adapting to get used to though.

Just my thoughts.

 

[crush]

ya my moneys on bookman

 

[Brookman]

That is the first non-troll post I've seen from you crush. Don't even try to cover your tracks.

 

[crush]

That is the first non-troll post I've seen from you crush. Don't even try to cover your tracks.

you're sadly mistaken

that was a troll post and all of my other posts were non-troll posts.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Kinglit would approve

 

[kalamazhu]

kinglit would approve

loooooloooolmfao

 

[AGRO]

it seems pretty decent but there are a lot of problems with this system

A) this system doesn't account for the fact that your friend may not be good with certain characters. Even if he is, if you're looking to eventually beat everyone within your area, he cant possibly be better with all of their characters than the rest of them.
B) You won't get to play your main as much. 50% of the time you'll be working on your friends matchups. While this may be helpful in developing a secondary for certain matchups, is probably not optimal unless your main is beating absolutely everyone. 99% of the time, your main can be beter, so the benefits are probably not outweighing the costs here.

I'd say the best way to do this is get out to tournaments. Practice using your mains, then rely on other players to supply the competition. My friend uses falco, so i get a lot of falco practice in. To learn a matchup against peach, I would generally go find someone good with peach and play some friendlies against him at a tournament. Or network and find a time and place to practice through smashboards. Odds are these other players id be branching out to will be better with those characters than my friend (if im making sure i find the right people) and this way i get to improve the character that's most important to me

 

[Varist]

In an ideal world I would get all my Falco practice playing PP, all my Fox practice playing Mango, all my Peach practice playing Armada, all my IC practice playing Wobbles, all my Puff practice playing Hungaybox, all my Shiek practice playing M2K, all my Marth practice playing Taj, all my Falcon practice playing Hax, all my Doc practice playing Shroomed, all my Ganon practice playing Kage, all my Pikachu practice playing Axe, all my Samus practice playing HugS, all my DK practice playing Strong Bad, all my Link practice playing GERM, all my Young Link practice playing Armada twice as much, who needs Roy practice, all my Luigi practice playing Ka Master, all my Mario practice playing Mango again, all my Zelda practice playing Lake, all my Yoshi practice playing Vectorman, no one plays G&W **** him, Ness too, all my Mewtwo practice playing before Taj again, all my Bowser practice playing against Gimpyfish in the time machine in my kitchen cabinet, all my Kirby practice playing Hack, all my Pichu practice playing Nicknyte, but I can't do that because my basement doesn't accommodate twenty healthy people for more than six days, and I don't have enough money to hire kidnappers.

USA is huge and smashers are not. Like their legs aren't. They can't cover seventy-two miles in one step. Well wait, actually I guess I could still get ideal Mewtwo and Marth practice. So Melee practice is ghetto practice most of the time. Can't live in a tourney venue.

So play against your crap friends, at least you're learning falling speed and stuff. idk

 

[crush]

strong bad is nowhere near the best dk lol. hes the fifth best out of five dk's. and mofo plays ness sometimes and QERB is the best g&w

 

[Varist]

he's the only dk i know about who's still kind of playing, i haven't seen rockcrock or mexican anywhere since like last year and they're the only other modernish dk's i know. no one needs ness or g&w practice they are irrelevant. professionally ended conversation.

 

[Rockenos]

he's the only dk i know about who's still kind of playing, i haven't seen rockcrock or mexican anywhere since like last year and they're the only other modernish dk's i know. no one needs ness or g&w practice they are irrelevant. professionally ended conversation.

Rockcrock was at CEO