Official Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[NonSpecificGuy]

My WTF character pick will always be John Raimi. Dunno who that is? Good! Look him up.

 

[Kirbeh]

Would you classify Sada as a WTF character? She’s pretty important to the lore of the story but no one would really expect a playable trainer over a singular popular Pokemon from the region. She’s also got a ton of potential for a Smash original moveset.

You know what, I’ll just go with Sada as my pick for Smash 6’s WTF character. I think the idea is just too cool and I don’t think anyone would expect it.

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What exactly do you have in mind for how she'd play? If it's the typical "summon other character for different moves" thing then I don't really see what makes Sada stand out in be particular. Not that she has to mind you, but you could technically do that with any number of Pokemon characters.

 

[Gengar84]

What exactly do you have in mind for how she'd play? If it's the typical "summon other character for different moves" thing then I don't really see what makes Sada stand out in be particular. Not that she has to mind you, but you could technically do that with any number of Pokemon characters.

It’s partly that but partly

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She’s a futuristic sci-fi robot with the real Sada’s memories who passed away before the events of the game. She’s never shown directly fighting but there’s a ton you could do creatively mixing her primal, prehistoric design with futuristic tech. Stuff like energy claws and laser arrows. I think she’s a great example of a character whose moveset can be more or less made up for Smash but still be incredibly cool. Her lack of direct source material could actually work to her advantage. She’s got some of the most potential for an awesome moveset herself without relying on her Pokemon too much but she’d still have some moves that summon paradox Pokemon to aid her. Since she’s a robot, she also sidesteps the whole humans fighting Pokemon issue that pretty much every other trainer would face. Her contrast between the past and the future is the perfect representation for the themes of the generation, more than any one singular trainer or Pokemon in my opinion.

Not sure if Scarlet and Violet is old enough at this point to not need the spoiler tags but I figured it’s better to be safe.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Yeah that’s true. I think the only real hurdle for Ace Attorney is competition within Capcom. There are a ton of iconic Capcom characters not yet playable in Smash so Phoenix Wright might not get priority. If they wanted a visual novel character and weren’t concerned with one company getting too many characters, then I agree Phoenix is likely at the top of the list for the genre.

Idk, Phoenix feels like a character who's goofy enough for Sakurai to pick over a more conventional character.

 

[Kirbeh]

It’s partly that but partly

Spoiler

She’s a futuristic sci-fi robot with the real Sada’s memories who passed away before the events of the game. She’s never shown directly fighting but there’s a ton you could do creatively mixing her primal, prehistoric design with futuristic tech. Stuff like energy claws and laser arrows. I think she’s a great example of a character whose moveset can be more or less made up for Smash but still be incredibly cool. Her lack of direct source material could actually work to her advantage. She’s got some of the most potential for an awesome moveset herself without relying on her Pokemon too much but she’d still have some moves that summon paradox Pokemon to aid her. Since she’s a robot, she also sidesteps the whole humans fighting Pokemon issue that pretty much every other trainer would face. Her contrast between the past and the future is the perfect representation for the themes of the generation, more than any one singular trainer or Pokemon in my opinion.

Not sure if Scarlet and Violet is old enough at this point to not need the spoiler tags but I figured it’s better to be safe.

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I like the idea on paper, but at the same time I'd argue that it fails to do the character justice. The ideas are all cool, but they're so far removed that it may as well be an original character altogether. And when I refer to doing the character "justice" I'm not talking about direct references or anything like that but capturing the spirit of who the character is. Ironic when we're talking about an AI, but turning Sada into Terminator Aloy, just wouldn't feel like Sada anymore imo.

This feels a lot different from a Fox or Falcon where while, yes, the moves are made up, they still take inspiration from the games (for the most part,) and feel more naturally woven into the characters if that makes sense.

Even if AI Sada is a robot, she's still very much "human." She's a researcher, not a Pokémon Monster Hunter. I know is sounds a bit contradictory as I'm generally in favor of creative liberties and characters don't need to be "fighters" in their home series, but I do feel a bit differently when it comes to a franchise like Pokémon.

I guess, for me, if you're doing (a non-martial artist) human character there's got to be some level of involvement with their Pokémon beyond summoning one for the odd move here or there. The bond between people and Pokémon is important to the series so I feel that should be on display in some way if you're making a playable human. Rather than Pokémon Fulgore, I do still feel like Sada's much more a natural as a background trainer, maybe analyzing the battle and supplying buffs to her Pokémon via items or something.

I hope I've been making sense here. A lot of my criticism has to do with character feel which is a bit more nebulous and subjective. I recognize the cool factor for sure, but it feels like it's ignoring the actual character in favor of going all in on rule of cool.

Given my own ideas/wants for Pokémon I know it still sounds odd, but that's about the best I can describe it.

 

[Oracle Link]

The Best Wtf pick is obviously Octorok

I mean a zoner octopus has tons of moveset potential hes probably one of the most beloved zelda mooks (maybe beaten by botw bokos but they are much more vanilla)
And if we get characters like ganon, midna, impa, skullkid or a goron too could fill out zelda very nicely!
They are not likely sadly but i really want him or my link in smash!

 

[HyperSomari64]

I know just the girls:
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I like to see another Ninjago fan here.

 

[Fa7oFuru]

To add even more evidence to the pile of things that have been adding up lately, Nintendo just trademarked Hotel Dusk: Room 215 in Japan. This is especially notable for two reasons:

1. This exact scenario happened to Another Code and Endless Ocean a few years before they got new game releases. If the same time frame is at play here, we could see this game in about 3-4 years. Perhaps sooner.

2. Notably, this is a Japanese trademark of the English title. The game in Japan is known as "Wish Room: Angel's Memory." So this getting trademarked in Japan is especially notable.

So yeah, Hotel Dusk is almost certainly getting a remake in the style of Another Code Recollection, as many have been speculating, which is awesome.

Here's hoping the timing lines up and we get Kyle Hyde in Smash one day!
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Kyle Hyde would be awesome in Smash, a Visual Novel character I would gladly welcome but at the same time I imagine he'd take more effort to program than other possible newcomers. Not that it's a massive enough difference to entirely dismiss his inclusion but I think it's interesting to ponder that if they went with his iconic look, the one first seen in Hotel Dusk: Room 215, the hand-drawn black and white artstyle, it'd be a challenge to implement without making it clash with the other designs. Of course they could also relegate it to a simple alt and use the design from Last Window instead as his primary design

 

[Gengar84]

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I like the idea on paper, but at the same time I'd argue that it fails to do the character justice. The ideas are all cool, but they're so far removed that it may as well be an original character altogether. And when I refer to doing the character "justice" I'm not talking about direct references or anything like that but capturing the spirit of who the character is. Ironic when we're talking about an AI, but turning Sada into Terminator Aloy, just wouldn't feel like Sada anymore imo.

This feels a lot different from a Fox or Falcon where while, yes, the moves are made up, they still take inspiration from the games (for the most part,) and feel more naturally woven into the characters if that makes sense.

Even if AI Sada is a robot, she's still very much "human." She's a researcher, not a Pokémon Monster Hunter. I know is sounds a bit contradictory as I'm generally in favor of creative liberties and characters don't need to be "fighters" in their home series, but I do feel a bit differently when it comes to a franchise like Pokémon.

I guess, for me, if you're doing (a non-martial artist) human character there's got to be some level of involvement with their Pokémon beyond summoning one for the odd move here or there. The bond between people and Pokémon is important to the series so I feel that should be on display in some way if you're making a playable human. Rather than Pokémon Fulgore, I do still feel like Sada's much more a natural as a background trainer, maybe analyzing the battle and supplying buffs to her Pokémon via items or something.

I hope I've been making sense here. A lot of my criticism has to do with character feel which is a bit more nebulous and subjective. I recognize the cool factor for sure, but it feels like it's ignoring the actual character in favor of going all in on rule of cool.

Given my own ideas/wants for Pokémon I know it still sounds odd, but that's about the best I can describe it.

Nah, that’s fine. That’s a totally fair take. It is a bit of a stretch, I admit, but I don’t think it’s any more of one than Smash has already done with other characters. Smash is no stranger to exaggerating a character’s personality for the game. Plus, I feel like Sada’s character is vague enough that you can take liberties with her for the purposes of a Smash moveset. I feel like a set like that plays into the themes of the game too, which I like. She does actually have a very strong connection to a particular Pokemon, which would be featured in my idea of her moveset.

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The way I see it is that Sada, the human was exactly as you describe while Sada, the AI has her memories but is a separate entity and we don’t know as much about that version. So I feel we can play a bit more with that. I do agree the human version of Sada would likely have taken a more passive role compared to her AI clone but her human form was still actually more physically involved with the Pokemon than other professors. I think you could emphasize her bond with Koraidon through the set too. Like her forward special could summon a Koraidon she can jump on top of and ride across the screen similar to Wario’s motorcycle. That’s a cool way to reference the fact that the box legendaries essentially acted as motorcycles in the game while tying them together. You could also work in other Paradox Pokemon into her other specials as well. So she is still a Pokemon summoner but has her own kit she can fall back on for normals. I think there’s a good balance where you could make a set like that work while staying true to character. I feel like the mystery surrounding her character gives you more room to play with.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

When it comes to surprise characters....

A disgruntled middle-aged golfer that's just trying to play the hole but keeps getting bothered by the other fighters.

....this feels like a Sakurai thing to do.

 

[RockyJockey]

When it comes to surprise characters....





....this feels like a Sakurai thing to do.

We don't have a representative for one of, if not the MOST important piece of software before the Famicom Boom.

In 1983, the kids might've wanted one to play Donkey Kong, but the parents?

 

[Thegameandwatch]

WTF random surprise character. They might want a different series for that role this time.

I feel like the next completely surprise will be a character that is completely under the radar while also being from a different series.

Also if there is generic Mario enemies again then it will probably be stuff like Kamek (same situation as Toad and Yoshi in some languages) or Shy Guy.

 

[Oracle Link]

I like to see another Ninjago fan here.

Yeah i still have to watch the finale of the reboot and dragonsrising tho!
It also took me years picking up the series again after the movie (designs)
I collected the first wave! Lost!
Pirate abd departed! Left all my minifigs in a hit car damn!
And now i have a decent legacy collection (with swapped out heads) czrrently is in my lego cupbards which makes me afraid (its huge)
In general have fallen of lego because of prizes and general lack of space (im currently collecting plushies and action figures instead
But ya know what? Next time i have netflix im gonna try watching seabound, island and crystalized

 

[DarthEnderX]

This is gonna sound insanely stupid but do you think Moo Moo (Or Cow as they're called in Mario Kart World) has any chance of getting in Smash 6.

It's not NO chance, and that terrifies me.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

We don't have a representative for one of, if not the MOST important piece of software before the Famicom Boom.

In 1983, the kids might've wanted one to play Donkey Kong, but the parents?

I’ve played Yakuza enough to know what Mahjong is and the trauma flashbacks started immediately.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I’ve played Yakuza enough to know what Mahjong is and the trauma flashbacks started immediately.

I actively avoid playing it when i play these games

 

[Nabbitfan730]

I've been playing Super Mario RPG lately and I'm absolutely losing it over Geno's introductory sequence. Well, all three sequences - As a doll, gaining life, and actually speaking - But the first one most of all. Some random Toad kid acts out Mario losing to Bowser so his super awesome OC can save him, and somehow ropes Mario himself into playing the Bowser

Sucks Geno gets a bad rep in the Smash Community because when you think about a character and his appearance, it is quite awesome. Being the flashy herald with cool moveset with no much appearances.

He is essentially Future Trunks/Boba Fett (more former than latter) of Mario which unique because we don't get characters like that in Mario which probably he stands the test of time compared to Mallow who blends with the other cutesy Mario Partners.

Smash 6 is probably both his best and his last chance in getting alongside Waluigi. If both aren't added then they have definitely gone the way of Toad in being unfavorable.

 

[BrawlX10]

Hey guys, long time no see! I think the last time i showed up was on the day of the Nintendo Switch 2 trailer. That was nearly 2 months ago, right? Jesus!

Anyways, i have a question for y'all, how do you feel about a Metaphor rep? (The Atlus game i mean) as DLC for a Smash 6? I think it could be a cool way to add a recent JRPG IP with sucess, but i don't know.

 

[Gengar84]

Hey guys, long time no see! I think the last time i showed up was on the day of the Nintendo Switch 2 trailer. That was nearly 2 months ago, right? Jesus!

Anyways, i have a question for y'all, how do you feel about a Metaphor rep? (The Atlus game i mean) as DLC for a Smash 6? I think it could be a cool way to add a recent JRPG IP with sucess, but i don't know.

I’d be down for it. I really enjoyed the game. I think my favorite characters are Hulkenberg and Heismay but I suspect it would likely be the main protagonist.

 

[DarthEnderX]

He is essentially Future Trunks/Boba Fett (more former than latter) of Mario

He's a Luma in a little wooden Iron Man suit.

Anyways, i have a question for y'all, how do you feel about a Metaphor rep?

Disinterested.

 

[FoursideKM]

I’m curious what characters we might get from Square-Enix next time around. Since the FFVII Remake trilogy is coming to Switch 2, I feel like both Cloud and Sephiroth are fairly safe returns. Hero likely isn’t going anywhere either. For newcomers, there are rumors of both a Final Fantasy IX and a Chrono Trigger remake in development so I wonder if we can get a character from either of those games. They’re likely my two favorite games ever so it’s exciting we’re probably getting something at least. Their more modern and smaller games like Octopath, Bravely, and Triangle Strategy could be a lot of fun too. 2B from Nier has a solid chance too.

Lara Croft? She's a really big gaming icon. Surprised I don't see her more in smash speculation

 

[HyperSomari64]

Lara Croft? She's a really big gaming icon. Surprised I don't see her more in smash speculation

SQEX sold Tomb Raider and all their franchises from their European branch a few years ago.

Edit: Well, Gex and a few others got spared

 

[FoursideKM]

oh dang I had no idea lol

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Lara Croft? She's a really big gaming icon. Surprised I don't see her more in smash speculation

If I had a nickel every time someone's said that.....

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Lara Croft? She's a really big gaming icon. Surprised I don't see her more in smash speculation

Lara might be the most prototypical example of "Jack (Jill?) of All Trades, Master of None" with Smash speculation. She's very well known, but not the same kind of iconic to the audience in the same way a Sonic, Pac-Man, or Mega Man is. She has a Nintendo history technically yet not one that seems particularly strong association wise. She does have decent potential with her moveset, however it really doesn't get imaginations going in the same way a Monster Hunter does. There's a hypothetical representation with notable third parties, though none that really feel like she would outwardly embody.

That does feel like it explains why the push for her doesn't seem to go that much beyond "Hey she's 90s gaming celebrity Lara Croft, why shouldn't she be in Smash" because unless you're a mega fan of Tomb Raider, there's not one particular thing about her that really drives passionate discourse about her hypothetical inclusion.

 

[chocolatejr9]

My WTF character pick will always be John Raimi. Dunno who that is? Good! Look him up.

I know who he is. Hoping his game finally gets that Japanese release once it comes to NSO, assuming that's at all possible at this point.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Lara Croft? She's a really big gaming icon. Surprised I don't see her more in smash speculation

Lara is a character who's fame speaks for itself but has no avid supporters within the community.

So basically, everyone would accept her, perhaps even applaud her inclusion, but nobody is particularly rooting for her.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

oh dang I had no idea lol

Yeah Tomb Raider is currently owned by Embracer Group, sorry to say.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

One of these days I should play through the Tomb Raider series so I could actually say something productive in the Lara Croft discussion, 'cuz I'm definitely down for her, I just don't know anything about her.

 

[Kirbeh]

Lara is a character who's fame speaks for itself but has no avid supporters within the community.

So basically, everyone would accept her, perhaps even applaud her inclusion, but nobody is particularly rooting for her.

I wanted to comment otherwise, but yeah, this is basically it.

I would consider myself a supporter (Anniversary on PS2 is one of my favorite childhood games) but I'm not actively singling her out as a most wanted or must have inclusion. She at least had enough support to get a thread, but not much activity really.

I would like her to get in, but I've just never seen her as all that likely. I don't think there's much overlap there either when it comes to fans.

If I had a nickel every time someone's said that.....

You'd have at least 20 bucks but less than 30.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I mean a zoner octopus has tons of moveset potential

Me when talking about Octoling

 

[Gengar84]

Lara is a character who's fame speaks for itself but has no avid supporters within the community.

So basically, everyone would accept her, perhaps even applaud her inclusion, but nobody is particularly rooting for her.

I’m in that camp. I think she’d be pretty cool and she’s definitely deserving but I’m not actively pushing for her. There are too many other characters I like a lot for her to make it onto my most wanted list. So yeah, basically, cool if it happens but I won’t be too upset if it doesn’t.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I'd be fine with Lara but her future's bleak since Square Enix sold her to, iirc, invest in NFTs

 

[Hadokeyblade]

SQEX sold Tomb Raider and all their franchises from their European branch a few years ago.

Edit: Well, Gex and a few others got spared

It's so ****ing funny to me that Square Enix saw more value in Gex than in Lara.

 

[DragonRobotKing26]

Lara Croft? She's a really big gaming icon. Surprised I don't see her more in smash speculation

hey, Lara Croft is a good option,and it's so rare anyone saying for she joins in Smash and she is not so requested for Smash

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's so ****ing funny to me that Square Enix saw more value in Gex than in Lara.

They could have also wanted more for Gex than Embracer Group thought was worth.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Lara Croft? She's a really big gaming icon.

Two really big gaming icons.

I mean a zoner octopus has tons of moveset potential

Everyone's favorite Metal Gear boss, Zoner Octopus.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

You'd have at least 20 bucks but less than 30.

So somewhere between 400 and 600 nickels.

Sounds about right.

 

[SharkLord]

Lara might be the most prototypical example of "Jack (Jill?) of All Trades, Master of None" with Smash speculation. She's very well known, but not the same kind of iconic to the audience in the same way a Sonic, Pac-Man, or Mega Man is. She has a Nintendo history technically yet not one that seems particularly strong association wise. She does have decent potential with her moveset, however it really doesn't get imaginations going in the same way a Monster Hunter does. There's a hypothetical representation with notable third parties, though none that really feel like she would outwardly embody.

That does feel like it explains why the push for her doesn't seem to go that much beyond "Hey she's 90s gaming celebrity Lara Croft, why shouldn't she be in Smash" because unless you're a mega fan of Tomb Raider, there's not one particular thing about her that really drives passionate discourse about her hypothetical inclusion.

Adding to this, her series has been relatively quiet lately. She has seen a couple re-release collections, but they're just HD ports, to my knowledge. Nothing really high-profile to grab the public attention. As a result, she's floating just outside the circles of most Smash fans' interests

 

[Idon]

Look if you don't have an actually large amount of fans that want you in the fighting/party game, being a "gaming icon" is nothing more than a piece of trivia.

Conversely I'm pretty sure Geno is so carried 100% by smash fans wanting him that it's that reputation that has broken into the general gaming sphere and not "the cool puppet dude from SMRPG"