Official Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[DemifiendEnjoyer]

If I remember correctly, 8-4 are the guys who have actually good localizations and Nintendo Treehouse are the ones who have issues. I believe 8-4 also did Awakening and a couple others, but I'm drawing a blank on the rest.


I haven't played F-Zero but I really like the GX soundtrack and I'd take any chance to get those songs in Smash.

To tie back to Smash, to all the F-Zero fans on the boards, who would you want from the series in Smash?

I'm not the biggest F-Zero fan, I think Mr. EAD would be neat.
Samurai Goroh is probably the sensible choice though.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Another question who do you think next games like, If you buy the game early enough it’s free (Mewtwo/Piranha Plant) character will be? If there is one.

Probably following the trend of Plant of being an unexpected character. Options like side characters that aren't given much of the spotlight or enemy like Plant again.

I think returning characters that get cut in the base game will be a separate pack before new DLC characters are introduced. Characters that are less likely to return such as Lucas and Wolf are candidates. Also cut characters that will cause backlash like what happened with Mewtwo in Brawl.

 

[Louie G.]

To tie back to Smash, to all the F-Zero fans on the boards, who would you want from the series in Smash?

I've always liked Samurai Goroh. Funny enough, Smash does not have a signature 'samurai' archetype character and I think it's a very flexible framework to build an original moveset off of not unlike Falcon. A samurai who can also throw his weight around when need be is fun, and his temper might make him more of a flashy wildcard not unlike his rival. It kinda just feels right since he's had a place in the series since the Melee intro, too.

 

[Oracle Link]

Being fair, a lot of these dialogue changes are either so minor they don't matter, were toning down on body shaming

The original Japanese script was subtle about Vivian being trans but like... the pieces were all there.

Which is a very outdated joke anyway.

For one even minor changes matter when it comes to media! (Accuracy is key!)
They did just replace some other isult with annoying which Im now offended by (yeah i sorta am youre going out of your way to scrub offensive language but then specifically add a word in that caused me a lot of pain during my live) not much but still

Yeah as i said! I did hear conflicting stories on that matter (as i cant speak it) which is why i want acurate translations (luckily the german text is more acurate)

Its more a gambling joke then a woman be cleaning joke and even if its outdated who cares the game is pretty old anyways! I do slightly get getting rid of slurs but thats honestly where it should end!
And i wanna point out im chubby and autistic/nuts! (Which is like 30% of the censourship!)

Same with the sonic gens rewrite stuff like that makes me scared/unsettled for the future of media!

 

[DemifiendEnjoyer]

Same with the sonic gens rewrite stuff like that makes me scared/unsettled for the future of media!

The Sonic Generations rewrite is the most inoffensive thing imaginable and it fixes some problems the original had.
Theres so many actual scary things for the future of media and you’re unsettled by Sonic Generations.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

For one even minor changes matter when it comes to media! (Accuracy is key!)

The point of a remake isn't to be accurate to the source material but to make a new version of the game. To remake it, so to speak.

Being faithful was never the goal of TTYD Switch. The goal was to make a modern version of it. And with it comes some changes in order to make sure the product doesn't immediately feel outdated by a matter of decades the second it's out.

And i wanna point out im chubby and autistic/nuts! (Which is like 30% of the censourship!)

One would think that them toning down on using mental disabilities as punchlines for jokes would be an appreciated change if you are part of the spectrum.

As an Aspie myself, I for one really enjoyed those changes.

 

[SPEN18]

As a character, I don't mind Alear. I think some of the hate towards their design was unjustified, and I mean the "red vs. blue" iconography has been a consistent staple throughout FE history, so it was interesting to sort of explore that motif in a protagonist's design. As a protagonist, they can be a bit blank as your typical amnesiac self-insert, but I find them generally inoffensive.

As a playable Smash fighter, though, I don't have interest. I'm fine with letting the vastly more popular Three Houses rep the Switch era of FE, and Engage was just as much about celebrating characters past as it was about characters present anyway, which makes it feel doubly fine to skip it. I still prefer a legacy FE character like Lyn if we were to get an FE newcomer.

And, as stated above, Alear's chances always hinged on timing and with the confirmation of Kirby Air Riders it doesn't seem like they'll have that in their favor. Making them, again as stated, one of the more overrated candidates in terms of chances.

 

[SharkLord]

The Sonic Generations rewrite is the most inoffensive thing imaginable and it fixes some problems the original had.
Theres so many actual scary things for the future of media and you’re unsettled by Sonic Generations.

Dunno about you but I find the implication that Classic Sonic ate all of Angel Island to be quite terrifying actually

 

[Jave]

<-- Just look at my avatar.

Right now, Alear is probably my most wanted character in Smash and I want to remain optimistic that their chances are good. I get their timing isn't as good as it once was now that we know what Sakurai was working on wasn't Smash, but I believe their moveset potential and them being a very recognizable character will help their possible inclusion.

And on the topic of Alear being a means to an end for other FE lords being in, I think the people suggesting that have probably never even played Engage, because that's not how the Emblem system works.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

And on the topic of Alear being a means to an end for other FE lords being in, I think the people suggesting that have probably never even played Engage, because that's not how the Emblem system works.

I have made it clear that I agree but to be fair, creative liberties happen all the time.

If things were 1:1 faithful with source materials, we would get things like Cloud being unable to do any of his specials without a full Limit Gauge, Kazuya having triple the amount of moves he already does, Supernova being a two-minute long cutscene Final Smash, etc. So the idea that the Emblem system would be tweaked for the sake of a cooler moveset is not impossible.

Shoving the other lords into Alear's moveset, however, does not serve to do anything other than make things more complicated for complicated's sake. Alear gains nothing out of all the main story's 12 Emblems (technically 13 due to Ephraim) being summons, especially when 9 of them are associated with swords.

 

[Ivander]

2 things if Alear is added by any chance:

1. Alear needs at least one still of them going :D. So we not only have them going :D in Smash Bros, but we add another to the :D collection.
   
2. Besides their Emblem Alts and Fell Dragon alts, they need this for an alt.
   

 

[HyperSomari64]

2 things if Alear is added by any chance:

1. Alear needs at least one still of them going :D. So we not only have them going :D in Smash Bros, but we add another to the :D collection.View attachment 402556
2. Besides their Emblem Alts and Fell Dragon alts, they need this for an alt. View attachment 402557

If Engage had Amiibo support from other Nintendo franchises, it would be funny when you get a costume from a Pokémon, it will be disguised as the trainer of their respective generation (expect the Pikachu one due to Mascot bias)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Alear needs at least one still of them going :D. So we not only have them going :D in Smash Bros, but we add another to the :D collection.

:D

If Engage had Amiibo support, it would be funny when you get a costume from a Pokémon, it will be disguised as the trainer of their respective generation (expect the Pikachu one due to Mascot bias)

It does, but only for Fire Emblem ones.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Dunno about you but I find the implication that Classic Sonic ate all of Angel Island to be quite terrifying actually

I actually really hate the new script in generations.

Mostly because they didn't bother adjusting the lip synching to match

 

[HyperSomari64]

It does, but only for Fire Emblem ones.

i meant for other Nintendo series

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Alear would be a pretty bog standard character addition IMO. The Engage system would make them stand out mechanically, but otherwise they'd be just another lord. I think how they'd actually use the Engage system would be fun, but the "summon all the characters fans actually want" idea doesn't really make sense here, is often made in bad faith, and also Kiran is right there.

EDIT: In terms of likelihood, I think Lyn is more likely at this point.

Side Note: Gengar84 just a heads up, I just saw an article talking about Nintendo's plans to start bricking modded systems, so be very careful about updating anything Nintendo on your Switch (including the system itself) from here on out.

 

[FoursideKM]

Another question who do you think next games like, If you buy the game early enough it’s free (Mewtwo/Piranha Plant) character will be? If there is one.

this is 100 percent biased but I'd personally want it to be porky from earthbound. He's a really niche pick so I think a bonus character is a good place for him. I'd just be happy to see him back as a boss though honestly

 

[NintenRob]

Another question who do you think next games like, If you buy the game early enough it’s free (Mewtwo/Piranha Plant) character will be? If there is one.

Oatchi, I think I've said it before, he feels like that perfect free bonus character

 

[Perkilator]

While on the topic of stages, what kinds of stages do you think we could see based on the current Switch 2 lineup?

 

[Gengar84]

Alear would be a pretty bog standard character addition IMO. The Engage system would make them stand out mechanically, but otherwise they'd be just another lord. I think how they'd actually use the Engage system would be fun, but the "summon all the characters fans actually want" idea doesn't really make sense here, is often made in bad faith, and also Kiran is right there.

EDIT: In terms of likelihood, I think Lyn is more likely at this point.

Side Note: Gengar84 just a heads up, I just saw an article talking about Nintendo's plans to start bricking modded systems, so be very careful about updating anything Nintendo on your Switch (including the system itself) from here on out.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

While on the topic of stages, what kinds of stages do you think we could see based on the current Switch 2 lineup?

Millenium tower from Yakuza

 

[Swamp Sensei]

While on the topic of stages, what kinds of stages do you think we could see based on the current Switch 2 lineup?

I think we will see something from Tour, Forgotten Land, and Bananza.

My most wanted stage is still Area Zero.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

While on the topic of stages, what kinds of stages do you think we could see based on the current Switch 2 lineup?

I think something from Kirby Air Riders is likely. Same with Bananza and Mario Kart World.

If it's about Switch 1 then the Stadiums from Sword and Shield could work. They could be spiritual successors to the Pokemon Stadium stages. While those stages are named after the N64 games, they are kinda Smash's take on the concept rather being direct inspirations.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

For one even minor changes matter when it comes to media! (Accuracy is key!)
They did just replace some other isult with annoying which Im now offended by (yeah i sorta am youre going out of your way to scrub offensive language but then specifically add a word in that caused me a lot of pain during my live) not much but still

Yeah as i said! I did hear conflicting stories on that matter (as i cant speak it) which is why i want acurate translations (luckily the german text is more acurate)

Its more a gambling joke then a woman be cleaning joke and even if its outdated who cares the game is pretty old anyways! I do slightly get getting rid of slurs but thats honestly where it should end!
And i wanna point out im chubby and autistic/nuts! (Which is like 30% of the censourship!)

Same with the sonic gens rewrite stuff like that makes me scared/unsettled for the future of media!

The main goal of a translation isn't necessarily accuracy, as there are cultural/language things that don't translate directly. For example, there's a scene in a movie where someone is trying to find the right personal pronoun to use ("watashi, ore, etc."). A conversation like that would have to change entirely because in English, it's just "I".

Puns, slang, and proverbs are the biggest offenders of stuff like this, and music is difficult as well because now everything has to fit the song's syllable use without sounding awkward (Ex: Rhythm Heaven Fever straight up removes Manzai Birds in the English version because it's based off of a Japanese comedy routine, relies on puns, and requires rhythm to work).

Things can be taken too far (and sometimes, though rarely, the writers hijack the translation and do whatever they want), but by and large it's good that translations aren't 100% accurate, and while you can sometimes lose something from the original script, sometimes the script is enhanced by a translation.

I think we will see something from Tour

Not the way I expected Piranha Plant Pipeline to get preserved but I'll take it.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Oatchi, I think I've said it before, he feels like that perfect free bonus character

I would honestly be so down for Oatchi as the early adopter bonus. I feel like the project plan being more current shoots Oatchi's chances way up, since he's still part of Pikmin related material and the ending of Pikmin 4, at least in my opinion, feels like regardless of who comes back to PNF-404, someone's getting a dog through Moss, not to mention Pikmin had a rise on the Switch and is part of that group of it, Metroid, Kirby, and Xenoblade if I recall right that were reported by Nintendo to be seeing huge growth.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Another question who do you think next games like, If you buy the game early enough it’s free (Mewtwo/Piranha Plant) character will be? If there is one.

I'm hoping there isn't one. Having 1 DLC character floating outside the Fighters Passes was awkward.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Puns, slang, and proverbs are the biggest offenders of stuff like this

A notable example was in Ace Attorney because of the pun names which would be changed in both English and French. Even the series' location was changed which made things weird later on when the games clearly become more Japanese.

If it was done today then either the names and location would have remained the same as in Japanese or just the names being different which apparently was the case in the anime.

I would honestly be so down for Oatchi as the early adopter bonus. I feel like the project plan being more current shoots Oatchi's chances way up, since he's still part of Pikmin related material and the ending of Pikmin 4, at least in my opinion, feels like regardless of who comes back to PNF-404, someone's getting a dog through Moss, not to mention Pikmin had a rise on the Switch and is part of that group of it, Metroid, Kirby, and Xenoblade if I recall right that were reported by Nintendo to be seeing huge growth.

Would Oatchi be a separate character or a dual character with the Pikmin 4 protagonist? The latter was shown in his spirit for example.

 

[Ivander]

While on the topic of stages, what kinds of stages do you think we could see based on the current Switch 2 lineup?

Definitely possible for Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza. A stage from Tears of the Kingdom, Metroid Dread and Kirby and the Forgotten Land would be great. Would love to see a "The Duskbloods" stage if it does well, though I think From Software fully owns it so that'll make it harder for it.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Would Oatchi be a separate character or a dual character with the Pikmin 4 protagonist? The latter was shown in his spirit for example.

I feel like Oatchi could work either way honestly, and I used to be in the Oatchi and Recruit camp, but as of recent I've kinda been leaning more towards Oatchi as his own character. He's basically a second Captain anyway in Pikmin 4 so I don't think he NEEDS the Recruit per se.

 

[SharkLord]

I actually really hate the new script in generations.

Mostly because they didn't bother adjusting the lip synching to match

Yeah, I think that's where most of the issues came from. Shadow Generations was pretty well written, so it's less Ian Flynn being a trash writer like some people make him out to be and more that they just didn't go back and redo the cutscenes, so the new lines are awkwardly squeezed into cutscenes that they don't fit.

 

[NintenRob]

While on the topic of stages, what kinds of stages do you think we could see based on the current Switch 2 lineup?

Oof, this is is tricky. But I want to break it down


Mario:
I hope the next game has a lot of Mario stages becauses there's a lot on offer. I want to see:

• Mario Wonder stage
• Mario Kart World stage
• Rainbow Road
• Bowser's Castle
• Mario & Luigi stage (Shipshape Island from Brothership)
• Mario Party stage
• Princess Peach Showtime stage
• And we'll probably need something from the next 3D Mario if we get it in time

We can probably stack a few of these, the Mario Wonder stage could be Bowser's Castle and Rainbow Road could be the new one in 8.

DK:
It's gonna be Bananza, but if we're lucky we can get something from Tropical Freeze too

Zelda:
This one is kinda tricky. Three games to look at imo, Tears of the Kingdom, Echoes of Wisdom and Links Awakening. We usually get two new Zelda stages. There's also a ton of iconic Zelda locations that haven't been in Smash Bros before, Kakariko Village, Death Mountain, Lost Woods, Lake Hylia, Zora's Domain.

• Tears of the Kingdom will probably just be great sky island as it was in the marketing, is actually unique to the game. It's the boring choice. I want a Death Mountain travelling stage. Maybe nudge some sky islands near it, and then start traveling down Death Mountain into the depths.
• Echoes of Wisdom is interesting, it largely doesn't have many locations unique to it but I think the Still World work wonderful as a stage. You may even be able to throw in some Iconic Zelda locations that haven't been in Smash before. Though in it's own right, Lake Hylia is where the games iconic opening shot is set.
• Koholint Island is the dark horse pick here. The egg on the mountain is a pretty iconic picture in Zelda and would just be great. I think they'll favour the other two games but I wanted to shout out Links Awakening

Metroid:
The question here, does Metroid get two stages like it did in Brawl, or one stage like Smash Wii U. Metroid Dread and Metroid Prime 4 are going to be your super obvious picks for new stages. From Dread, I want to see the Chozo architecture of Ferenia as a stage

Yoshi:
Just bring back Woolly World. Yoshi hasn't had a new game since Crafted World so unless every franchise requires new stages, I wouldn't mind Yoshi just sitting on its past stages next entry

Kirby:
Say it with me. KIRBY. AND. THE. FORGOTTEN. LAND!! I don't care if Sakurai is making Air Ride 2, don't you dare skip over his jump into 3D like you did his renaissance era (Rtdl-Star Allies). I don't care if it's a grassland stage 1 because Forgotten Land has a really cool aesthetic for it's first world. I want some abandoned buildings!!!

Star Fox:
See Yoshi, bring back Orbital Gate Assault

Pokémon:
There's a lot to choose from. Gen 7 never got a stage with Incineroar, Gen 8 and 9 have a lot to offer, and we'll probably have gen 10 by the time we get the next Smash. Spear Pillar and Prism Tower should also return to rep the two Legends games. Area Zero for Scarlett and Violet and a Gym Leader stadium for Sword and Shield fit pretty well as new stages



Those are the main ones I want to talk about. Xenoblade and Fire Emblem would also have stuff, but they also got stuff relatively more recently too thanks to DLC so I just wanted to focus on the original 8

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

A notable example was in Ace Attorney because of the pun names which would be changed in both English and French. Even the series' location was changed which made things weird later on when the games clearly become more Japanese.

If it was done today then either the names and location would have remained the same as in Japanese or just the names being different which apparently was the case in the anime.

I think "Japanifornia" has become an iconic aspect of the game's translation, so it doesn't surprise me that they left it in, but not changing character names is kinda bad since you miss out on the fun puns.

Like, seriously, Winston Payne is comedy gold.

Say it with me. KIRBY. AND. THE. FORGOTTEN. LAND!! I don't care if Sakurai is making Air Ride 2, don't you dare skip over his jump into 3D like you did his renaissance era (Rtdl-Star Allies). I don't care if it's a grassland stage 1 because Forgotten Land has a really cool aesthetic for it's first world. I want some abandoned buildings!!!

INB4 no Kirby and the Forgotten Land stage and instead City Trial is added using assets from Kirby Air Riders.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

We can probably stack a few of these, the Mario Wonder stage could be Bowser's Castle and Rainbow Road could be the new one in 8.

I would actually love this because I think Bowser's Rage Stage is like the only place in the game outside of the one Special Stage that has a Wonder gauntlet going on in it, so it could do what I think a Wonder stage would do and have random Wonder Flower drops to make random effects happen as stage hazards.

 

[chocolatejr9]

I actually really hate the new script in generations.

Mostly because they didn't bother adjusting the lip synching to match

From my understanding, that's on Sega for not bothering to reanimate the cutscenes. Apparently Flynn wasn't aware they'd remain the same when rewriting the script, hence the awkwardness.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Yeah, I think that's where most of the issues came from. Shadow Generations was pretty well written, so it's less Ian Flynn being a trash writer like some people make him out to be and more that they just didn't go back and redo the cutscenes, so the new lines are awkwardly squeezed into cutscenes that they don't fit.

It feels like Roger is out of breath sometimes because he has to voice the lines just fast enough to match the lip flaps.

 

[FoursideKM]

While on the topic of stages, what kinds of stages do you think we could see based on the current Switch 2 lineup?

Probably a bananza stage. With the gimmick being the destructible terrain (even if the minecraft stage beat it to the punch lol)

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I would actually love this because I think Bowser's Rage Stage is like the only place in the game outside of the one Special Stage that has a Wonder gauntlet going on in it, so it could do what I think a Wonder stage would do and have random Wonder Flower drops to make random effects happen as stage hazards.

On the one hand, doing this instead of making it a grass stage that's also Piranha Plant Parade for a minute or 2 is such a good idea, but on the other hand having our Bowser's Castle stage be the least Bowser's Castley Bowser's Castle would annoy me.

 

[FoursideKM]

A bowser's castle stage where the gimmick is a destructible bridge feels like a stage that would have been added to smash years ago

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

On the one hand, doing this instead of making it a grass stage that's also Piranha Plant Parade for a minute or 2 is such a good idea, but on the other hand having our Bowser's Castle stage be the least Bowser's Castley Bowser's Castle would annoy me.

That's true, but when the only other option at the moment is playing on the regular version of the Paper Mario stage and waiting for like a minute? Yikes.

 

[Louie G.]

Honestly I'd just like them to bring back 3DS Rainbow Road. I'm assuming the reason it didn't come back in the first place was because it was so asset-heavy from MK7 and they had no way to reasonably port that over to Switch, but now MK8D's Booster Course exists with 3DS Rainbow Road. Perfect opportunity to bring back one of the most unfortunate omissions from the plentiful Ultimate stage lineup. Not that World can't also get a stage.

I think I'd like if Bowser's Castle was based on Wonder too. I love the sort of "rock concert" theming of that final world and I think it'd translate over to a stage in a really fun way. Not to mention that in sort of a roundabout way, Bowser's Castle is literally the game's central antagonist. Just hope you don't read too hard into whether or not Bowser and "Castle Bowser" are onscreen at the same time, lol. Can easily circumvent that by saying it's a Kamek shenanigan or something.

Some stage mechanics that I can easily see playing out are the bounce pads from the final battle, like Spring Stadium, and those long Bullet Bills coming in as temporary platforms. Also some Wonder Flower thing, probably.