Smash Bros. speculation that grinds your gears (BE CIVIL)

[Quillion]

There's the problem right there: You can't stop people asking for a second exception. Or a third, fourth and so on.

And you can't stop Sakurai from denying the people asking for another exception either.

Dr. Mario remains an unfollowed precedent for Mario spin-off characters, and Sheik remains an unfollowed precedent for Zelda one-shot characters.

Its this:
"Oh Fire emblem, Pokemon and Xenoblade Chronicles need a new protagonist each game cause they are rotating cast franchises!"
Especially when combined with:
"We dont need toon link adult (champion) link is enough to rep all of zelda!"
Atleast be consistent!

At least Link more-or-less acts the same from incarnation to incarnation despite them being different people.

 

[RileyXY1]

So tired of Ultimate port talk. It’s not fun and not realistic and the sooner we can get over that hurdle the better.

Yeah. It would just be a bad financial decision. I don't think people would want to spend $70 on a game they already have that only adds a few new characters and stages.

 

[Guynamednelson]

So tired of Ultimate port talk. It’s not fun and not realistic and the sooner we can get over that hurdle the better.

I don't get why someone would want a port and then want FP3 to be DLC for that port.

Why not just hope for FP3 for the Ultimate we already have? Do you really want to have to spend $300 on a new console, then $60 on a port, just to buy an extra $30 pass?

 

[BritishGuy54]

So tired of Ultimate port talk. It’s not fun and not realistic and the sooner we can get over that hurdle the better.

Yeah. I’d rather have something new. Heck, we also have people begging for Mario Kart 8 to be ported AGAIN.

I’d rather get a new Smash game with new characters, new stages, new content, and a trimmed down roster in terms of scale, and more so scope.

 

[RileyXY1]

Yeah. I’d rather have something new. Heck, we also have people begging for Mario Kart 8 to be ported AGAIN.

I’d rather get a new Smash game with new characters, new stages, new content, and a trimmed down roster in terms of scale, and more so scope.

That's what I think they're gonna do.

 

[Quillion]

That's what I think they're gonna do.

I keep saying that recycling (most of) the assets of Ultimate and making something new out of it is very much a viable option, since Ultimate did just that with Smash 4 in the first place.

 

[Perkilator]

Something that more specifically annoys me when discussing Fire Emblem or Pokémon is when there’s a game that’s currently relevant (in this case, ScarVi and Engage), yet people immediately dismiss it. Why? Because they expect a character from the respective Pokémon and Fire Emblem games after the one that’s currently relevant, despite those next games not even being public knowledge yet.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Something that more specifically annoys me when discussing Fire Emblem or Pokémon is when there’s a game that’s currently relevant (in this case, ScarVi and Engage), yet people immediately dismiss it. Why? Because they expect a character from the respective Pokémon and Fire Emblem games after the one that’s currently relevant, despite those next games not even being public knowledge yet.

Probably because there is literally precedence for what is "currently relevant" getting skipped over for what is upcoming for Pokémon even as early as Brawl.

Brawl's roster was drafted on July 7th, 2005. Diamond and Pearl wouldn't be out until September 28th, 2006. We still got over anything from Ruby and Sapphire.

Smash For's roster was drafted on April 26th, 2012. X and Y wouldn't be out until October 12th, 2013. We still got over anything from Black and White.

Ultimate's roster was drafted on December 15th, 2015. Sun and Moon wouldn't be out until November 18th, 2016. We still got over something additional from X and Y or even OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire since those were released by then.


With that in mind, is it any wonder people feel Scarlet and Violet missed the mark? The roster would have had to be drafted at some point between October 5, 2021 and November 18, 2022 for Scarlet and Violet to even have a chance.


As for Fire Emblem? Similar deal. We got as DLC to promote an upcoming international release of Fates and was specifically chosen as DLC before Three Houses was released even if they'd be released after.
And we know from Sakurai's words himself that the likes of and would have been in jeopardy if Awakening released half a year earlier or later than it did. So for Engage to have a shot at the main roster we'd have to assume it dropped in the right time frame from when the hypothetical new Smash got its roster settled.


So yeah, until we know that a new Smash is for sure on the way and had been worked on since Sora was revealed at the earliest, it's better to assume Scarlet and Violet as well as Engage are **** outta luck.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Probably because there is literally precedence for what is "currently relevant" getting skipped over for what is upcoming for Pokémon even as early as Brawl.

Brawl's roster was drafted on July 7th, 2005. Diamond and Pearl wouldn't be out until September 28th, 2006. We still got over anything from Ruby and Sapphire.

Smash For's roster was drafted on April 26th, 2012. X and Y wouldn't be out until October 12th, 2013. We still got over anything from Black and White.

Ultimate's roster was drafted on December 15th, 2015. Sun and Moon wouldn't be out until November 18th, 2016. We still got over something additional from X and Y or even OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire since those were released by then.


With that in mind, is it any wonder people feel Scarlet and Violet missed the mark? The roster would have had to be drafted at some point between October 5, 2021 and November 18, 2022 for Scarlet and Violet to even have a chance.


As for Fire Emblem? Similar deal. We got as DLC to promote an upcoming international release of Fates and was specifically chosen as DLC before Three Houses was released even if they'd be released after.
And we know from Sakurai's words himself that the likes of and would have been in jeopardy if Awakening released half a year earlier or later than it did. So for Engage to have a shot at the main roster we'd have to assume it dropped in the right time frame from when the hypothetical new Smash got its roster settled.


So yeah, until we know that a new Smash is for sure on the way and had been worked on since Sora was revealed at the earliest, it's better to assume Scarlet and Violet as well as Engage are **** outta luck.

I do agree it's a big pattern here, but not saying Fire Emblem Engage is out of luck. In fact it's heavily speculated and rumored a next Fire Emblem game is gonna be a remake, and it's FE4 starring Sigurd.

Easy to have a two in one type of deal here with the token Fire Emblem newcomer; Alear with as his companion and Emblem Ring Sigurd. I imagine that would fit very well. And is a better idea than either character on their own due to problems, and the uniqueness factor.

Other than that, I agree fully.