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Yet Dark Matter is the one with the feasible body type that represents the same thing. There is no issue with it being the chart if it's fitting to be there.
I'm reading your thoughts on how unique a character can be. Sounds pretty biased to me.


Seems a little opinionated imo, there are many ways to make all of these characters viable in a Smash setting.
But this ranking system seems to be very unbalanced.
Then what is the issue with Dark Matter and Magolor then??

(the only "biased" part is the moveset potential one, because it's obviously based on personal opinions; anyway I excluded those scores from the second chart).
Anyway, the discussion about Dark Matter and Magolor is because the OP stated things that aren't true, especially about the selection of the character being driven by logic. (and influenced the votes of the users saying that they shouldn't vote for Adeleine, just because he doesn't like the character - succesfully, I may add) I proved how some character who are in the chart don't make sense at all. It happend in the past also, but it's all useless I think, so I gave up. Now we're talking about things and I'm contributing, with no particular goals. That's all.

and anyway, from a big fan of those games (KDL2, KDL3 and K64) who likes Dark matter a lot, Dark Matter is still by far the most unfitting and out of place character that I ever seen in a roster prediction that tries to be "realistic". His chances are like -10 for both popularity/role/relevance and moveset potential.

I really like Daroach but the most logical choice is magolor so I'm gonna vote for him.

I'm a bit confused as of how you tallied up the points in your chart. Bandana Dee gets 2 points for being playable but having "no real role" in return to dreamland, while Adeleine gets 5 points for being a main character in K64? Bandana Dee had just about the same role Adeleine did except he was playable in the main game.
Playable and role are separate scores. Dee is an optional character and you can finish the game without even using him. Adeleine is part of the main story of her game.
Bandana Dee has a better role in the story in KSSU where he, even if just for a small section of the game, is actually relevant.
I had to make this, because else character like Prince Fluff, who are relevant, would have got few points just because they appeared only in one game. The chart excludes completely the popularity and the recency of the characters, that would change things a lot (Bandana Dee +100000 points, something like this).
 
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Anyway, the discussion about Dark Matter and Magolor is because the OP stated things that aren't true, especially about the selection of the character being driven by logic. I proved how some character who are in the chart don't make sense at all. It happend in the past also, but it's all useless I think, so I gave up. Now we're talking about things and I'm contributing, with no particular goals. That's all.

and anyway, from a big fan of those games (KDL2, KDL3 and K64) who likes Dark matter a lot, Dark Matter is still by far the most unfitting and out of place character that I ever seen in a roster prediction that tries to be "realistic". His chances are like -10 for both popularity/role/relevance and moveset potential.



Playable and role are separate scores. Dee is an optional character and you can finish the game without even using him. Adeleine is part of the main story of her game.
Bandana Dee has a better role in the story in KSSU where he, even if just for a small section of the game, is actually relevant.
I had to make this, because else character like Prince Fluff, who are relevant, would have got few points just because they appeared only in one game. The chart excludes completely the popularity and the recency of the characters, that would change things a lot (Bandana Dee +100000 points, something like this).

I think being a playable character I can use in a game where I KNOW I'm going to play with other people and so use, is a lot more interesting and influential than a character whose main role is giving you food (which I really didn't need in K64 honestly.) Also Bandana Dee took over this roll in Triple Deluxe. I also liked using Bandana Dee in Arena/True Arena for my spear run.
 

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I think it may end even now, Magolor got more than 10 votes while Adeleine is still at 7, it's impossible that she can surpass it.

I think being a playable character I can use in a game where I KNOW I'm going to play with other people and so use, is a lot more interesting and influential than a character whose main role is giving you food (which I really didn't need in K64 honestly.) Also Bandana Dee took over this roll in Triple Deluxe. I also liked using Bandana Dee in Arena/True Arena for my spear run.
That's not completely true, or else Toad would have been in Smash as playable by much time ago. He has been playable with no roles so many time, and he's still part of Peach's moveset.
 
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And another vote for Magolor!

I never understood why Dark Matter got voted on the charts and he didn't. There seem to be 5 characters I see popping up in Kirby lately. Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight, Dee, and Magolor. But I don't follow the series all too much.

Prince Fluff would be a 6th choice/ a 2nd addition (if there had to be one)
While I'd prefer Adeline over all of these, she's like the Vaati of Kirby, with a third of the credentials.

So yep, voting Magolor.
 

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I think they may even end now, Magolor got more than 10 votes while Adeleine is still at 7, it's impossible that she can surpass it.



That's not completely true, or else Toad would have been in Smash as playable by much time ago. He has been playable with no roles so many time, and he's still part of Peach's moveset.
Toad isn't a good candidate in his own franchise because he has to compete against characters surpassing him in support like Rosaline. He's a bit screwed in his own franchise but Bandana Dee doesn't have to worry about that. Bandana Dee seems like the most viable option to represent his own franchise. He doesn't have very good competition.

I vote Magolor.
 
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I don't think your arguments make much sense either, though. You're saying Adeleine isn't important enough and doesn't have a large enough fan base to be on the charts, but characters like Funky, Kiddy, Dark Matter, and Ninten are on the charts... None of them are very important/have large amounts of fans asking for then to be included.
AEM already explained this, but whatever.

-As I said before, Kiddy is only on the chart as an extension of Dixie (i.e. Dixie/Kiddy tag-team).
-Dark Matter is significantly more important than Adeleine ever will be. There's even modern influence involved with Dark Nebula from Squeak Squad being confirmed as a being of Dark Matter and the OG Dark Matter itself being featured as the final boss in Mass Attack's Kirby Quest mode. What's the last game Adeleine was in? Kirby 64.
-Funky is more important to DK than Adeleine is to Kirby. He's appeared in a majority of the titles and has played a decently major role in each of them.
-Ninten is the original Mother protagonist.

I still haven't ever heard about Kiddy Kong until now. I discovered now that it's from DKCIII and a Gameboy title. Anyway, I'm 100% sure that it's very minor, a lot less relevant than Adeleine. Baby DK is already part of a yoshi game on DS, and it wasn't Kiddy Kong. If Kiddy Kong was relevant, probably he would have been Kiddy Kong instead.
I will say this ONE. MORE. TIME. Kiddy Kong is only on the chart as an extension of Dixie.
Aside from that, he's not Baby DK. He's Dixie Kong's cousin. And is one of two main stars of DKC3 and DKL3.
Adeleine was only a minor boss in KDL3 (under "Ado") and a side character for DK64. Both have had the same amount of games, yet even Kiddy has played a more significant role than Adeleine. That's downright pathetic.



Kirby can do multiple jumps mid-air; they're unlimited in most of his games, but anyway, he's mainly a character who walks and fights on land. Magolor, Taranza and Dark Matter are character that can't even stay on land. They fly all the time and they're unable to fight on land unless forced by horrible limitations.
Forced by the same horrible limitations that plague Mewtwo, Palutena, and Rosalina?
Those are three examples of characters that are rarely shown in a non-levitating state and even traverse across the ground in Smash by floating over it excluding Palutena's slow walk. Yet, same amount of jumps as everyone else and can't just fly wherever they want at will. Even winged characters known for flying indefinitely like Meta Knight and Charizard can't fly forever and fall like little *******.
So we know that the "fly forever" excuse is a load of ****.

What other excuse is there to come up with?
"They don't have feet! How will the game know they are on the ground?!?"
Simple. They touch the ground with the their bases when they land, then transition to a hovering idle stance. In Dark Matter's case, its base can literally touch the floor as it moves along it, and the likes of Magolor or Daranza can have their capes at floor level as they float.
There's a in-progress Ridley PSA for Brawl that has him flying above the ground for the most part, and it works rather well. The biggest issue is with how he looks as opposed to functions, as Ridley's model is trying to conform to Charizard's bone structure (most apparent with the neck).


@GoldenYuiitusin your opinion is heavily biased, you're proving it many times, and the worst part is that when you're unable to reply, you say "I have no time, I'd contraddict you in everything if I had". You probably would, but probably with wrong arguments made up just for the sake of contraddicting me. Anyway, this is getting really bad, it's better to stop it here (I know you won't, but I will).
No, I literally had no time since I had to walk out the door to head to a chapter meeting.

Aside from that, you're a bloody hypocrite; your points are nothing short of complete biased crap that you've made up because you were desperate to make her seem like a bigger contender than she really is.

-Represents the Dark Matter era?
An irrelevant point. Especially when Dark Matter itself would best represent that era. And unlike Adeleine, it doesn't need such an excuse; the fact Dark Matter is the franchise's most influential villainous force is a good enough reason.

-One of the most relevant characters in the franchise?
Entirely false. She's a boss in one game and a side character in another. The only thing she's relevant in is the Brawl in the Family webcomic.

-More magical painter characters appeared since her debut?
And that's supposed to be a positive aspect for her? You said yourself that she wasn't the first. So what's special about her not being the last?
There are multiple niches that get reused in the Kirby franchise.

-Only relevant female of the Kirby franchise?
Both false and an irrelevant point.
Adeleine is not relevant in the slightest. Barely appeared in the series and has not done much important or provided much influence.
Drawcia appeared in one game outside of cameos, but served as the antagonist of that game and even continues to have influence with Paintra being implied to be her sister separated at birth (pause menu description) and Rainbow Curse potentially having her or someone like her as the villain due to the similarities between it and Canvas Curse.
Queen Sectonia is another antagonist from a more recent title. Though unless she causes influence later in the series, she will eventually suffer from irrelevance if she doesn't join the rogues gallery in extra modes like Nightmare, Dark Matter, and Marx.

Yet none of that matters anyway. Having a vagina doesn't add to a character's chances.
Oh, and this little snippet you said?
One of the goals of this new Smash, is to introduce new female characters into the roster
Utter lies with no source to back up. This was never stated by Sakurai.



OK then, you'll be happy to not add Adeleine in the "roster" just because you don't like her and you don't even know almost anything about her, for the second time, I'm fine with it.
1. I never said I wasn't adding her. I'm just saying that she makes no logical sense to be voted for.
2. It has nothing with me not liking her. It has to do with her NOT MAKING LOGICAL SENSE. There are characters on this chart I absolutely despise, but they're there because they make sense.
3. I've played both games that Adeleine shows up in. I'm pretty sure I know what she's all about. The difference between you and I though, is that I'm not blinded by bias and see her for what she really is.

If you want though, I'd like if you express your opinion on why between Magolor and Marx, Magolor should have more chances of being in. The facts say that Marx is a lot more important and popular in the Kirby fandom, being from a more iconic game and having cameo still now, and Magolor himself is a revisioned version of Marx, completely based on him; in your roster prediction, you're adding Magolor instead, because it has 9 votes while Adeleine has 7 (not 6, 7 I checked) (logic vs preference votes).
You don't ****ing listen/read, do you?
This chart isn't giving anyone more chances. It's not like Sakurai's going to go "Hmm, I wanted to include Marx, but Golden's chart has Magolor instead. Guess Magolor's joining the battle!"
Magolor being on the chart and not Marx doesn't mean Magolor is being given a higher chance, it means Magolor is being perceived as someone with a reasonable shot while Marx is not.
If it were solely up to me (which it's not) I would throw in Marx, Nightmare, Whispy Woods, Daroach, and Magolor. But people are voting for Magolor and Adeleine (who is being voted on for the wrong reasons), and those are the two that will most likely be included.
 
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Shall vote for Prince Fluff, the yarn concept growing and extending to other games helps his chances for dlc imo.
 
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Anyone wanna change their Adeline votes before Golden has an aneurysm? I'm gonna miss BitF too but that still doesn't improve her chances.
 

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-Dark Matter is significantly more important than Adeleine ever will be. There's even modern influence involved with Dark Nebula from Squeak Squad being confirmed as a being of Dark Matter and the OG Dark Matter itself being featured as the final boss in Mass Attack's Kirby Quest mode.
-More magical painter characters appeared since her debut?
And that's supposed to be a positive aspect for her? You said yourself that she wasn't the first. So what's special about her not being the last?
There are multiple niches that get reused in the Kirby franchise.
The same thing is positive and negative depending on if it's refered on a character who you hate or who you like.

Anyway I'm a "die hard" Kirby fan and I know very well the franchise. Marx is not one of my favorite characters, and I even prefer the Kirby games about the Dark Matter a lot compared to Superstar, that's fun but a lot less deep to me.
I know what I say, and I know very well that Marx is probably the most relevant final boss of the series, and Magolor is a very temporary thing. Magolor has been already replaced by Taranza in the last game, and Taranza will be replaced by someone else when it will be the right time. Those bosses aren't meant to be recurring characters, they only started this trend of making references and cameo of the "bosses with the cute and friendly form" (Marx and Magolor) because apparently they're beloved in the fandom; also all the Magolor appearances are more or less references to Kirby Returns to Dreamland, not meant to give the character a new role or something. Magolor is one of those characters (Marx, Magolor and Taranza), of which Marx is the most important one, and there is no way that Magolor will outclass him, as other games will feature new characters and new bosses. The fact is that nobody voted for marx, probably because most of the Kirby fans here started following Kirby from the modern era, with Kirby Returns to Dreamland as first game maybe, this or they are all Waddle Dee supporters who analized soo much that game in order to give a moveset to the character, that they think that KRTD is the most important Kirby game, which is not, not even minimally compared to Kirby Superstar.
So Magolor is being added in the chart despite having less chances than Adeleine, by logic, and Marx who is the character who should be there instead of Magolor, isn't even considered because nobody voted him, while Dark Matter Swordman, a "character" whose chances are like -1%, is still in the chart with the wrong name even.

If they will add a character to represent KRTD and the modern era of Kirby, it will be Bandana Dee and they will not add more than 1 character representing the same thing, so Magolor has no chances, due of being in the shadow of Bandana Dee. Magolor's only chances are to be a stage hazard if they make a Lor Starcutter stage, that's very possible... but as playable, really no chances.
 
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The same thing is positive and negative depending on if it's refered on a character who you hate or who you like.

Anyway I'm a "die hard" Kirby fan and I know very well the franchise. Marx is not one of my favorite characters, and I even prefer the Kirby games about the Dark Matter a lot compared to Superstar, that's fun but a lot less deep to me.
I know what I say, and I know very well that Marx is probably the most relevant final boss of the series, and Magolor is a very temporary thing. Magolor has been already replaced by Taranza in the last game, and Taranza will be replaced by someone else when it will be the right time. Those bosses aren't meant to be recurring characters, they only started this trend of making references and cameo of the "bosses with the cute and friendly form" (Marx and Magolor) because apparently they're beloved in the fandom; also all the Magolor appearances are more or less references to Kirby Returns to Dreamland, not meant to give the character a new role or something. Magolor is one of those characters (Marx, Magolor and Taranza), of which Marx is the most important one, and there is no way that Magolor will outclass him, as other games will feature new characters and new bosses. The fact is that nobody voted for marx, probably because most of the Kirby fans here started following Kirby from the modern era, with Kirby Returns to Dreamland as first game maybe, this or they are all Waddle Dee supporters who analized soo much that game in order to give a moveset to the character, that they think that KRTD is the most important Kirby game, which is not, not even minimally compared to Kirby Superstar.
So Magolor is being added in the chart despite having less chances than Adeleine, by logic, and Marx who is the character who should be there instead of Magolor, isn't even considered because nobody voted him, while Dark Matter Swordman, a "character" whose chances are like -1%, is still in the chart.
Magolor is a lot more reoccurring than Marx. Magolor is expressed to the player as being alive for one, Marx isn't. We don't know. Magolor returned just recently in Dedede's Drum Dash as an e Enemy obstacle for the CROWNED level of the game. While Taranza was only featured on the trophy. I love Marx and I like Ado but let's think logically here. People are picking Kirby character with VERY limited appearances and thus representation for the series. We also have too look to the future and see what characters are showing up more to represent the franchise. We have to be able to can see them in the future continuing that representation and relevance.

Also give me a break. I'm DIE HARD Kirby fanatic too and my first game was Dreamland on the Gameboy. I think KSS is one of the most influential games in the series and definitely has nice depth. Just because you don't get it or care for it, doesn't mean you're more hardcore for having a preference for the Shinichi Shimomura titles. KSS is huge in Japan as well. If you don't like it, fine. That's your taste. You like working with a fewer moves and slower platforming pace. That's fine. It's like me liking blue, and you liking orange but don't consider yourself a bigger fan of Kirby because of a preference. It's obnoxious. I've loved Kirby for years and apparently I'm not the only one who enjoyed the Kirby games I did the most, because thats exactly the direction the games were taken as of late, and that's for damn good reason because many die hard fans felt the same.
 
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Magolor is a lot more reoccurring than Marx. Magolor is expressed to the player as being alive for one, Marx isn't. We don't know. Magolor returned just recently in Dedede's Drum Dash as an e Enemy obstacle for the CROWNED level of the game. While Taranza was only featured on the trophy. I love Marx and I like Ado but let's think logically here. People are picking Kirby character with VERY limited appearances and thus representation for the series. We also have too look to the future and see what characters are showing up more to represent the franchise. We have to be able to can see them in the future continuing that representation and relevance.

Also give me a break. I'm DIE HARD Kirby fanatic too and my first game was Dreamland on the Gameboy. I think KSS is one of the most influential games in the series and definitely has nice depth. Just because you don't get it or care for it, doesn't mean you're more hardcore for having a preference for the Shinichi Shimomura titles. KSS is huge in Japan as well. If you don't like it, fine. That's your taste. You like working with a fewer moves and slower platforming pace. That's fine. It's like me liking blue, and you liking orange but don't consider yourself a bigger fan of Kirby because of a preference. It's obnoxious. I've loved Kirby for years and apparently I'm not the only one who enjoyed the Kirby games I did the most, because thats exactly the direction the games were taken as of late, and that's for damn good reason because many die hard fans felt the same.
If we were making this "poll" just after the release of Kirby Mass Attack, with the return of Daroach as NPC who has even a role in the game, many would have voted Daroach because he seemed promitent. Where is Daroach now? Getting less keychains than Ado.
 
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Even I want vote for bandana dee the most.

I vote for Magolor, that ja***** is everywhere causing trouble and its pretty memorable character to be such a ****. and its appear in many cameos in the recent Kirby games. Causing even more trouble.

Sorry I could not vote for adeleine.
 

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If we were making this "poll" after the release of Kirby Mass Attack, with the return of Daroach as NPC who has even a role in the game, many would have voted Daroach because he seemed promitent. Where is Daroach now? Getting less keychains than Ado.
The difference between Magolor and Daroach is the games they show up in. The game Magolor shows up in has more relevance. Daroach appears as an enemy in the only game in the franchise I'd consider a straight up dull rehash (and I say this as someone who likes Squeak Squad, really. However it literally added NOTHING new to the series or played with staple ideas in exciting revisited ways.) This game is directed by Takashi Hamamura. We won't be seeing him again taking the reins for the franchise. When do we finally get to see Daroach as a character again? He's got a roll in the game Mass Attack. A game which I think is FANTASTIC. However doesn't seem quite as connected to the bulk of Kirby games. I notice a pattern with games that feature the design for Dedede's castle from the anime. They seem disconnected. Squeak Squad, Mass Attack, and Epic Yarn have this feature.

Magolor has been appearing in almost all Shinya Kumazaki's games. The world in these games seem consistent and connected. He directed Kirby Super Star Ultra, where we see Bandana Dee again, and who reoccurs across his games, tying them and their main canon together. Same for Magolor. This director worked on Return to Dreamland, Dream Collection (Magolor returns), Triple Deluxe, Kirby Fighters Z, Dedede Drum Dash Z. Magolor makes appearances in all games in some form or another. Shinya has been the most frequent director as of late. The consistency as of late across games and as the most influential person for the games also indicate a series of games whose canon is the most prominent right now.

That consistency isn't there for Daroach as cool looking as he is. I think we'll see more of characters birthed by Shinya than we will the return of Takashi's Daroach.
 
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C'mon people, this isn't the place to argue. You can settle your scores elsewhere.
Just concentrate on voting and refrain from commenting on others' votes, not just now but in future rounds as well.

Meanwhile, I'm voting Magalor.
 

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Wait a second, can we vote for characters that are just a part of a transformation Final Smash, like Giga Browser and Big Mac? If so, I'd like to toss a vote for Masked Dedede. Sense Triple Deluxe, it has proven itself to be a reoccurring thing, and more so when you consider Drum Dash Z has the mask too. With Waddle Dee toss gone, it might be possible for a new final smash.

Otherwise, yeah, toss another Magolor's way. He's quickly becoming more reoccurring than most people thought, thus far having a perfect attendance rating for every game sense Return's, his introductions, release. Considering he seemingly implies that every fantastic legendary item was forged by the people of his homeland (see dialogue at 120 spheres in EX mode), it honestly feels like there's a plot thread going on here.
 

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AEM already explained this, but whatever.

-As I said before, Kiddy is only on the chart as an extension of Dixie (i.e. Dixie/Kiddy tag-team).
-Dark Matter is significantly more important than Adeleine ever will be. There's even modern influence involved with Dark Nebula from Squeak Squad being confirmed as a being of Dark Matter and the OG Dark Matter itself being featured as the final boss in Mass Attack's Kirby Quest mode. What's the last game Adeleine was in? Kirby 64.
-Funky is more important to DK than Adeleine is to Kirby. He's appeared in a majority of the titles and has played a decently major role in each of them.
-Ninten is the original Mother protagonist.


I will say this ONE. MORE. TIME. Kiddy Kong is only on the chart as an extension of Dixie.
Aside from that, he's not Baby DK. He's Dixie Kong's cousin. And is one of two main stars of DKC3 and DKL3.
Adeleine was only a minor boss in KDL3 (under "Ado") and a side character for DK64. Both have had the same amount of games, yet even Kiddy has played a more significant role than Adeleine. That's downright pathetic.





Forced by the same horrible limitations that plague Mewtwo, Palutena, and Rosalina?
Those are three examples of characters that are rarely shown in a non-levitating state and even traverse across the ground in Smash by floating over it excluding Palutena's slow walk. Yet, same amount of jumps as everyone else and can't just fly wherever they want at will. Even winged characters known for flying indefinitely like Meta Knight and Charizard can't fly forever and fall like little *****es.
So we know that the "fly forever" excuse is a load of ****.

What other excuse is there to come up with?
"They don't have feet! How will the game know they are on the ground?!?"
Simple. They touch the ground with the their bases when they land, then transition to a hovering idle stance. In Dark Matter's case, its base can literally touch the floor as it moves along it, and the likes of Magolor or Daranza can have their capes at floor level as they float.
There's a in-progress Ridley PSA for Brawl that has him flying above the ground for the most part, and it works rather well. The biggest issue is with how he looks as opposed to functions, as Ridley's model is trying to conform to Charizard's bone structure (most apparent with the neck).



No, I literally had no time since I had to walk out the door to head to a chapter meeting.

Aside from that, you're a bloody hypocrite; your points are nothing short of complete biased crap that you've made up because you were desperate to make her seem like a bigger contender than she really is.

-Represents the Dark Matter era?
An irrelevant point. Especially when Dark Matter itself would best represent that era. And unlike Adeleine, it doesn't need such an excuse; the fact Dark Matter is the franchise's most influential villainous force is a good enough reason.

-One of the most relevant characters in the franchise?
Entirely false. She's a boss in one game and a side character in another. The only thing she's relevant in is the Brawl in the Family webcomic.

-More magical painter characters appeared since her debut?
And that's supposed to be a positive aspect for her? You said yourself that she wasn't the first. So what's special about her not being the last?
There are multiple niches that get reused in the Kirby franchise.

-Only relevant female of the Kirby franchise?
Both false and an irrelevant point.
Adeleine is not relevant in the slightest. Barely appeared in the series and has not done much important or provided much influence.
Drawcia appeared in one game outside of cameos, but served as the antagonist of that game and even continues to have influence with Paintra being implied to be her sister separated at birth (pause menu description) and Rainbow Curse potentially having her or someone like her as the villain due to the similarities between it and Canvas Curse.
Queen Sectonia is another antagonist from a more recent title. Though unless she causes influence later in the series, she will eventually suffer from irrelevance if she doesn't join the rogues gallery in extra modes like Nightmare, Dark Matter, and Marx.

Yet none of that matters anyway. Having a vagina doesn't add to a character's chances.
Oh, and this little snippet you said?

Utter lies with no source to back up. This was never stated by Sakurai.




1. I never said I wasn't adding her. I'm just saying that she makes no logical sense to be voted for.
2. It has nothing with me not liking her. It has to do with her NOT MAKING LOGICAL SENSE. There are characters on this chart I absolutely despise, but they're there because they make sense.
3. I've played both games that Adeleine shows up in. I'm pretty sure I know what she's all about. The difference between you and I though, is that I'm not blinded by bias and see her for what she really is.


You don't ****ing listen/read, do you?
This chart isn't giving anyone more chances. It's not like Sakurai's going to go "Hmm, I wanted to include Marx, but Golden's chart has Magolor instead. Guess Magolor's joining the battle!"
Magolor being on the chart and not Marx doesn't mean Magolor is being given a higher chance, it means Magolor is being perceived as someone with a reasonable shot while Marx is not.
If it were solely up to me (which it's not) I would throw in Marx, Nightmare, Whispy Woods, Daroach, and Magolor. But people are voting for Magolor and Adeleine (who is being voted on for the wrong reasons), and those are the two that will most likely be included.
Kiddy won't be an extension of Dixie, because tag teams won't be in this game. I think that's been proven by what Sakurai said about Chrom/Robin and Zelda/Sheik.
Why are you arguing this anyway? Adeleine is a Nintendo character... So she has a small chance. If she gets the most votes, she should be added to the charts. If she doesn't get the most, don't put her on them. I don't get why this has become a big deal.
 

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Why are you arguing this anyway? Adeleine is a Nintendo character... So she has a small chance. If she gets the most votes, she should be added to the charts. If she doesn't get the most, don't put her on them. I don't get why this has become a big deal.
this, anyway the votes got influenced by the "fight" and that comment by the author of the therad saying that people should not vote Adeleine because she doesn't make sense. There's nothing that can be done now, as remaking this would make the same results, but theorically it isn't much fair.

EDIT: Don't mind, I know why Magolor got so many votes now.
http://smashboards.com/threads/bandana-dee-the-spear-master.324430/page-126#post-17228254
The Bandana Dee thread has so much visibility because he's a popular character, so they're mainly Waddle Dee supporters voting him just because he's from their favorite game, saying even that's not THAT important.
Seems more like voting for the sake of excluding Adeleine more than voting for the character himself, and tha't pretty lame. If they were votes made with logic, they should have been "no additions".

C'mon people, this isn't the place to argue. You can settle your scores elsewhere.
Just concentrate on voting and refrain from commenting on others' votes, not just now but in future rounds as well.

Meanwhile, I'm voting Magalor.
I got it, sorry for continuing this a bit, I'll stop it here anyway.
 
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Kiddy won't be an extension of Dixie, because tag teams won't be in this game. I think that's been proven by what Sakurai said about Chrom/Robin and Zelda/Sheik..
Dude, Rosalina and Luma! Ice Climbers! Olimar!

Character switching is out, but dual characters isn't.
 

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Dude, Rosalina and Luma! Ice Climbers! Olimar!

Character switching is out, but dual characters isn't.
They said a tag team, which I thought meant Dixie is fighting, then she jumps out when Kiddy jumps in. Which won't happen. But even then, Kiddy and Dixie as a dual character would be pretty dumb, since Kiddy is one of the most hated donkey kong characters, and Dixie is more well known on her own/with Diddy/with DK
 
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Kiddy won't be an extension of Dixie, because tag teams won't be in this game. I think that's been proven by what Sakurai said about Chrom/Robin and Zelda/Sheik.
Why are you arguing this anyway? Adeleine is a Nintendo character... So she has a small chance. If she gets the most votes, she should be added to the charts. If she doesn't get the most, don't put her on them. I don't get why this has become a big deal.
Nintendo character =/= You have a chance.
As much as I want Chef Kawasaki, I'm not going to run around saying he was chance because he's a Nintendo character, when he doesn't.
 
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We need to move on.
I'm pretty sure Magolor's in a expansive lead, so he'll be the only one included.

Next up is Star Fox.
 

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But people are voting for Magolor and Adeleine (who is being voted on for the wrong reasons), and those are the two that will most likely be included.
I completely misunderstood you and I'm very sorry for this, as I wrote in PM. I failed to read this last sentence, and I hadn't noticed that you was going to add both of them. In that case, I wouldn't have wrote all those things.
I want to apologize with you, as I already did, I am in error and I know this.
Anyway, could you think about doing what you was going to do back then?
Magolor got lots of votes, but Adeleine still got 8 votes and Ganon&Vaati went in with 10...
 
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I completely misunderstood you and I'm very sorry for this, as I wrote in PM. I failed to read this last sentence, and I hadn't noticed that you was going to add both of them. In that case, I wouldn't have wrote all those things.
I want to apologize with you, as I already did, I am in error and I know this.
Anyway, could you think about doing what you was going to do back then?
Magolor got lots of votes, but Adeleine still got 8 votes and Ganon&Vaati went in with 10...
Ganon and Vaati were pretty much neck-to-neck while no other option came close to them.
It was nearly the same with Adeleine and Magolor until Magolor made the gap between them far larger, like Captain Toad did to Daisy (though not to that insane of a gap).
 

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Anyway, for Starfox, I think No Additions is the best solution. Only Peppy is the one who could be added, but since there is already Slippy, it makes no sense having both of them, since they would play similar... unless they take inspiration from some Starfox Assault gimmick.
 
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No additions for Star Fox. We got the existing three (the hero, the back talking boyd, the rival) and the only two with a chance, fur bait and bumbling sidekick.

How insane would it be if they gave Slippy Snake's old moveset?
 

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Anyway, for Starfox, I think No Additions is the best solution. Only Peppy is the one who could be added, but since there is already Slippy, it makes no sense having both of them, since they would play similar.
yeah like thats something they would never do with starfox charcters

anyway i vote peppy
 

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I once again vote no additions.

I'll alter the title. :p
 

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Oh come on, Panther and Andross easily could be new additions and wouldn't have to follow the same clones move set that is plaguing this series so far.

I vote Panther
 
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