Social Smash 4 Social Topic 2.0

[PsychoIncarnate]

I wanted to eat healthy so I made a salad

I couldn't grill the chicken so I fried it in oil and butter

 

[MSmariosonic]

I just found this on Twitter.
I felt like putting it here.

Pretty neat.

 

[andimidna]

I just found this on Twitter.
I felt like putting it here.

Pretty neat.

Is it weird that I can name 3/4 of who those people are?

 

[MSmariosonic]

Is it weird that I can name 3/4 of who those people are?

It's weird if you're not from America.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Is it weird that I can name 3/4 of who those people are?

Well, there's homer...

I don't pay attention to stars

 

[MSmariosonic]

Well, there's homer...

I don't pay attention to stars

I Always pay attention to stars. The Dutch ones atleast. You might've noticed it by my profile pic.

Jeez...I might be one of the few on SmashBoards who has a profile pic of real people.

I feel special.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I Always pay attention to stars. The Dutch ones atleast. You might've noticed it by my profile pic.

Jeez...I might be one of the few on SmashBoards who has a profile pic of real people.

I feel special.

I'd of noticed if I knew who those people were

 

[MSmariosonic]

I'd of noticed if I knew who those people were

Makes sense.

I sometimes expect too much from people.

I'm special.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Here's something I found interesting.

SSBM Character Matchup Sheet
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchups_(SSBM)

SSBB Character Matchup Sheet
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchup_(SSBB)

The charts are a lot more similar than I thought they would be.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Here's something I found interesting.

SSBM Character Matchup Sheet
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchups_(SSBM)

SSBB Character Matchup Sheet
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchup_(SSBB)

The charts are a lot more similar than I thought they would be.

Thanks to you I just realized how big the tier list will be in Smash 4. Assuming the game will have about 50 characters the top tier will have..like...10 characters or somethin' .

By the freakin' way.

Are there any other fighting games that have about 50 characters?
I can't think of any.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Are there any other fighting games that have about 50 characters?

Ultimate Mavel vs Capcom 3
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Lots of Dragon Ball Z games....

Those come to mind.

 

[Satoru Iwata]

How would everyone feel if tomorrow they announced a global direct?

"How can this be?"

So....

Apparently I got a notification from Miiverse admins...

I have no idea why I got it. It was for bullying. I don't do that...

Any one know how to figure out which post they were talking about?

>Falsely accused of bullying
How can this be?

 

[Radical Bones]

Ultimate Mavel vs Capcom 3
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Lots of Dragon Ball Z games....

Those come to mind.

Some Naruto gams have about 60-65 characters.

There's Tobal 2 as well... came out in 1997 and has 200 playable characters. WHERE ARE YOU EXCUSES NOW SAURAI! THEY DID IT 17 YEARS AGO WHY NOT NOW!??!?!

 

[MSmariosonic]

I really should consider playing non-Nintendo games.

 

[Radical Bones]

I really should consider playing non-Nintendo games.

I've been playing Nintendo since the NES (I'm so old ) and have hardly played anything outside of Nintendo games. Resident Evil 4, the Ratchet and Clank series are two of my favourites - R&C is very Nintendo-esque. That being said, in the last few years I've been trying to stop my fanboyism. Not so much on my 3DS, because there are just so many awesome 1st and 2nd party games, but on my Wii U. I'm playing Darksiders II at the moment and loving it.

I have played a tonne of games, dating back to The Neverhood, Three Skulls of the Toltecs and Monkey Island, but I always come back to Tendo.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I've been playing Nintendo since the NES (I'm so old ) and have hardly played anything outside of Nintendo games. Resident Evil 4, the Ratchet and Clank series are two of my favourites - R&C is very Nintendo-esque. That being said, in the last few years I've been trying to stop my fanboyism. Not so much on my 3DS, because there are just so many awesome 1st and 2nd party games, but on my Wii U. I'm playing Darksiders II at the moment and loving it.

I have played a tonne of games, dating back to The Neverhood, Three Skulls of the Toltecs and Monkey Island, but I always come back to Tendo.

I'm gonna get rid of my fanboyism later this year when MGS: V comes out. Gonna buy a PS4 just for that game. And Ground Zeroes.
I really hope there comes backwards competability since I do really want to play PSABR and MGS4.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Some Naruto gams have about 60-65 characters.

There's Tobal 2 as well... came out in 1997 and has 200 playable characters. WHERE ARE YOU EXCUSES NOW SAURAI! THEY DID IT 17 YEARS AGO WHY NOT NOW!??!?!

To be fair, a vast majority of Tobal 2 characters are either clones or even just recolors.

But yeah, don't slack off on Smash's roster size, Sakurai.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If there is no wind without the wind crystal

How do airship's fly?

 

[MSmariosonic]

If there is no wind without the wind crystal

How do airship's fly?

The same way Godzilla flies.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

Ultimate Mavel vs Capcom 3
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Lots of Dragon Ball Z games....

Those come to mind.

Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3 had 161 playable characters... ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY ONE! ... it was absolutely glorious... well... at least if you are a big Dragon Ball fan/collector like myself (I own the first Dragon Ball 45 RPM vinyl record with the sleeve intact.) It might be a bit excessive for a very casual Dragon Ball fan but... for the people that love Dragon Ball with an undying passion, there's no pleasure quite like being able to make Appule fight Spike the Devilman before continuing to make Arale Norimaki fight Kid Chi-chi IN ADDITION to all the run of the mill Goku vs Frieza and "Teen" Gohan vs Cell and Vegeta vs 18 stuff.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Ultimate Mavel vs Capcom 3
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Lots of Dragon Ball Z games....

Those come to mind.

King of Fighters 2002 UM has something like 64 playable characters if you count all the EXcharacters.

So a 50+ character roster isn't exactly unheard of.

 

[Substitution]

I can't even describe how much I love River City Ransom. Only just came across it (slightly before reading this), but it's in the same boat as Punch-Out, in that I'm not sure if it's worth the full price (4-5.99 for NES games, even when not 3D Classics while GBC go for 1-3.99). Dat boss theme, though.

For me, it was.
If you love beat-em-ups, go for it.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Here's something I found interesting.

SSBM Character Matchup Sheet
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchups_(SSBM)

SSBB Character Matchup Sheet
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchup_(SSBB)

The charts are a lot more similar than I thought they would be.

I thought Pit was 50:50 with Sonic rather than an a disadvantage... At this point, this game is already dead to me as of a couple years ago. -.-
But like I said, as long as the upcoming game's balanced and doesn't have too much game-changing exploits (See MK's infinite cape glitch that is banned), I'll be fine.

 

[Substitution]

I thought Pit was 50:50 with Sonic rather than an a disadvantage... At this point, this game is already dead to me as of a couple years ago. -.-
But like I said, as long as the upcoming game's balanced and doesn't have too much game-changing exploits (See MK's infinite cape glitch that is banned), I'll be fine.

That's, actually pretty funny.
Especially if you take note Sonic's original tier position...

 

[mimgrim]

Here's something I found interesting.

SSBM Character Matchup Sheet
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchups_(SSBM)

SSBB Character Matchup Sheet
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchup_(SSBB)

The charts are a lot more similar than I thought they would be.

Melee chart is super outdated yo. For match-ups you have to go to character specific thread now because of how the metagame works in Melee. It's been decided that in high-top level play that you really can't assign MUs ratio as it really comes down to the player instead.

Brawl chart is bad because Pika is even with MK which is pure BS.

 

[Admiral Pit]

That's, actually pretty funny.
Especially if you take note Sonic's original tier position...

Remind me was it worse than it already is? Regardless, I ain't trying to be biased in Pit's favor, but I remember back in the day, I used to gather data for Pit's matchups (which I gave up on due to the Brawl community being jerks, ungrateful, and disrespectful to a wifi-restricted player like myself), while asking different players for inputs, and it was a project of mine that's been going on for over a year, but I felt it was hopeless since I was doing almost if not all the work.
I guess that's the curse of competitive natures and egos/arrogance, that of which are often close-minded and treat even us high-potential wifi-restricted players as 2nd-class citizens...
But that's a mistake I won't make again, for I'm only looking out for myself this time for Smash4 (I think).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

King of Fighters 2002 UM has something like 64 playable characters if you count all the EXcharacters.

So a 50+ character roster isn't exactly unheard of.

Indeed.

Having 50+ entirely unique ones? MUGEN only. I'd expect no more than 50 playables in this game.(transformations included, I.E. all of Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon, but not himself for the purpose of the full character list. Going by Sakurai's style that is. He did say "39 playable characters". Going through Classic Mode even supports that since there's 40 Trophies to get. One per playable character, and then PT's due to him having a spot on the roster screen himself)

 

[Substitution]

Remind me was it worse than it already is?

He was originally 33rd.

Regardless, I ain't trying to be biased in Pit's favor, but I remember back in the day, I used to gather data for Pit's matchups (which I gave up on due to the Brawl community being jerks, ungrateful, and disrespectful to a wifi-restricted player like myself), while asking different players for inputs, and it was a project of mine that's been going on for over a year, but I felt it was hopeless since I was doing almost if not all the work.

Well, there's a reason we're pitted as one of the worst fan-bases...
And why we're called "No items, Fox only, Final Destination" elitist crowd.

But, to be fair, you'll find jerks all across the spectrum. It's best just to power on and keep going.

I guess that's the curse of competitive natures and egos/arrogance, that of which are often close-minded and treat even us high-potential wifi-restricted players as 2nd-class citizens...
But that's a mistake I won't make again, for I'm only looking out for myself this time for Smash4 (I think).

While I'd say that it's best to have an open mind. There are exceptions...

Heck, I kinda expect to be laughed at (heck, I downright predict that. As I plan on playing the 3DS version).
And if anything, I believe that very reason will be the biggest reason that I'll quit Smashboards (speaking hypothetically. Of course)...
Though, I doubt I'll be playing competitively. If anything, I'll be here helping with match-ups or character data (well, as much as I can)...

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Remind me was it worse than it already is? Regardless, I ain't trying to be biased in Pit's favor, but I remember back in the day, I used to gather data for Pit's matchups (which I gave up on due to the Brawl community being jerks, ungrateful, and disrespectful to a wifi-restricted player like myself), while asking different players for inputs, and it was a project of mine that's been going on for over a year, but I felt it was hopeless since I was doing almost if not all the work.
I guess that's the curse of competitive natures and egos/arrogance, that of which are often close-minded and treat even us high-potential wifi-restricted players as 2nd-class citizens...
But that's a mistake I won't make again, for I'm only looking out for myself this time for Smash4 (I think).

You have a horribly skewed perception of maltreatment. Also, one could argue that the ego that seems to pervade every aspect of your conversation with the rest of the competitive community partially stems from yourself.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The same way Godzilla flies.

He's clearly full of hot air.

 

[mimgrim]

Well, there's a reason we're pitted as one of the worst fan-bases...
And why we're called "No items, Fox only, Final Destination" elitist crowd.

The Yugioh community is 100 times worse.

Smash community is lax when compared to the Yugioh community.

you think you've seen egos and elitism? Take a stroll in the Yugioh community then, I dare you. xD

 

[Substitution]

The Yugioh community is 100 times worse.

Smash community is lax when compared to the Yugioh community.

you think you've seen egos and elitism? Take a stroll in the Yugioh community then, I dare you. xD

...I'm listening...

As a pharaoh who had an obsession for a card game meant for children once said:
"Tell me!"

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The Yugioh community is 100 times worse.

Smash community is lax when compared to the Yugioh community.

you think you've seen egos and elitism? Take a stroll in the Yugioh community then, I dare you. xD

Pojo jerks, that is all. There's so many people who are are so misinformed and don't even understand how the game plainly works, it's ridiculous. Or so wrapped up in their own egos they can't even comprehend why some types of cards are very possibly the problem. A good example is the Rabibt/Leviair/Tour Guide/Gold Sarc problem. Take away Leviair and you kill the combo and force them to use D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation, which to search it, you need to use something that removes your Normal Summon. This severely destroys Rabbit's spam power, since you get one summon and that's it. TGU has no legitimately powerful Ranks beyond Leviair now, since the only other one was Zenmaity. Every one of those cards are strong in their own right. Saying one is weak is silly. The only one that a limit wouldn't do anything to is Leviair, since nobody runs more than 1.

For the record, I'm more for hitting an Extra Deck monster than the summoner if the summoner is effectively once per turn period.

Another is whether to hit Wolfbark or Bear. Bear is always going to start creating massive advantage just by existing. Wolfbark is just Rank 4 plays, and not even the ones that can recycle Tenki(which should be at 2). What do you hit? Both are legitimate hits. I do not like how Bear is able to get any Fire Formation possible simply by dealing a little damage. He's often a +2 per turn overall. Wolfbark is almost always a +0 max(not counting killing a monster through regular battle, and only by summoning out the right Xyz). They both have good points, as you can see. I want Bear gone, and his field control is far greater than a meh Rank 4. If there's a Rank 4 problem, just hit the Xyz itself and stop killing the effectively once-per-turn summoners. Just properly create them with better clauses, requirements, and weaker effects. Exciton Knight is a good example of this; Why couldn't it just destroy all Spells/Traps on the field? Perfectly fair, had no need for the lame "high rarity" crap, actually would be balanced too. Nope. It's a giant field nuke that can activate easily, is super splashable, and leave a large monster on the field with practically zero cost.

 

[Admiral Pit]

He was originally 33rd.


Well, there's a reason we're pitted as one of the worst fan-bases...
And why we're called "No items, Fox only, Final Destination" elitist crowd.

But, to be fair, you'll find jerks all across the spectrum. It's best just to power on and keep going.


While I'd say that it's best to have an open mind. There are exceptions...

Heck, I kinda expect to be laughed at (heck, I downright predict that. As I plan on playing the 3DS version).
And if anything, I believe that very reason will be the biggest reason that I'll quit Smashboards (speaking hypothetically. Of course)...
Though, I doubt I'll be playing competitively. If anything, I'll be here helping with match-ups or character data (well, as much as I can)...

Ouch for Sonic back then, and I remember Pit being low-high back then the first list. Never that high again he was after.
Jerks all around the place is all true. Being one who only has a 3DS so far, I worry bout it myself. However, until I see change, I'm only helping myself, so I don't have to waste a year or 2 working on matchups for more ungrateful jerks and elitists who don't appreciate it. I even had Pit's frame data up too.
I remember I had an AIB group dedicated to Pit matchups and more, but I only invited individuals who would attempt to help, or at the very least, care. Since Brawl's dying, and my data serves no purpose as it is outdated (though still detailed), I can show it again when AIB goes back up to prove that I was determined and serious back in the late 2008 to mid 2010 days. You'd be surprised bout how much effor I put in to all the data.

You have a horribly skewed perception of maltreatment. Also, one could argue that the ego that seems to pervade every aspect of your conversation with the rest of the competitive community partially stems from yourself.

Smooth Criminal

Idk if this was intended to be mean, but you should see the years of garbage I had to deal with back then at the Pit boards. All they cared bout were socializing, no matchup data in the later years, bashing me for being wifi only no matter how many times I said why I can't go places (and despite actually having potential), saying my thoughts and opinions don't matter because of that reason,
The thing about the Brawl community that I hate is that they only care bout offline players and are close-minded because of it. While it is true wifi is inferior to offline, they don't have to shut all of us down because of that. I've seen potential wifi players that have become amazing out there, with Salem being a major example. Sure my temper isn't really my best quality, but at least I tried to help out with Pit's matchups, tricks, basics, and even tried to expand to 2v2 stuff for Pit, including team chemistry with different characters and more.
Long story short, the close-minded elitists of the offline are also at fault.

 

[mimgrim]

Pojo jerks, that is all. There's so many people who are are so misinformed and don't even understand how the game plainly works, it's ridiculous. Or so wrapped up in their own egos they can't even comprehend why some types of cards are very possibly the problem. A good example is the Rabibt/Leviair/Tour Guide/Gold Sarc problem. Take away Leviair and you kill the combo and force them to use D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation, which to search it, you need to use something that removes your Normal Summon. This severely destroys Rabbit's spam power, since you get one summon and that's it. TGU has no legitimately powerful Ranks beyond Leviair now, since the only other one was Zenmaity. Every one of those cards are strong in their own right. Saying one is weak is silly. The only one that a limit wouldn't do anything to is Leviair, since nobody runs more than 1.

I'm not even talking bout Pojo.

I was part of the site Duel Academy. Oh god the people there.

While I agree with you for the most part. I was always of the mind that Rescue Rabbit wasn't the problem but the XYZs were. I would had been fine with Leviar banned and I even advocated for Laggia to be limited, a 2400 hitting Solemn Judgment with no LP cost c'mon man. Rabbit was pretty dope and I built a very unique Rabbit deck that utilized Necroface.

For the record, I'm more for hitting an Extra Deck monster than the summoner if the summoner is effectively once per turn period.

I totally agree.

Another is whether to hit Wolfbark or Bear. Bear is always going to start creating massive advantage just by existing. Wolfbark is just Rank 4 plays, and not even the ones that can recycle Tenki(which should be at 2). What do you hit? Both are legitimate hits. I do not like how Bear is able to get any Fire Formation possible simply by dealing a little damage. He's often a +2 per turn overall. Wolfbark is almost always a +0 max(not counting killing a monster through regular battle, and only by summoning out the right Xyz). They both have good points, as you can see. I want Bear gone, and his field control is far greater than a meh Rank 4. If there's a Rank 4 problem, just hit the Xyz itself and stop killing the effectively once-per-turn summoners. Just properly create them with better clauses, requirements, and weaker effects. Exciton Knight is a good example of this; Why couldn't it just destroy all Spells/Traps on the field? Perfectly fair, had no need for the lame "high rarity" crap, actually would be balanced too. Nope. It's a giant field nuke that can activate easily, is super splashable, and leave a large monster on the field with practically zero cost.

Yea Bear is whack. But as long as he is unlimited I will continue to play my stun variation of Fire Fists.

Konami has always made weird decisions when it comes to the tier list.

I still want Tengu unlimited though.

 

[Substitution]

Ouch for Sonic back then, and I remember Pit being low-high back then the first list. Never that high again he was after.

Try being me.
Mr. G&W was 6th at one point. Then he came around.

Jerks all around the place is all true. Being one who only has a 3DS so far, I worry bout it myself.

Well, if you ever are interested. There is a 3DS social group run by Capps.
I used to be there myself. Though I decided to leave (did all I could do to help, felt there wasn't much left for me).
It's a good place. Especially if you to talk about the 3DS without being hounded.

However, until I see change, I'm only helping myself, so I don't have to waste a year or 2 working on matchups for more ungrateful jerks and elitists who don't appreciate it. I even had Pit's frame data up too.
I remember I had an AIB group dedicated to Pit matchups and more, but I only invited individuals who would attempt to help, or at the very least, care.

Honestly, then it's just a waste.
I'll agree with Smooth Criminal on this one.
I understand you're mad. But from what I've gotten, you've never pulled up the positive side.
It's only the haters. And I'm beginning to think they got to you.
Sure, it's stupid that they blasted you.
But I think you're ignoring the others. The one's who actually main Pit.
Heck, look at the others. No matter what they do, they still focus on bringing info for their characters.
Heck, I remember Capps saying something about helping the Pichu and Mr. G&W social forums (Melee mind you). And they're considered to bottom of the barrel.

I feel like I'm not getting both sides. I'm only getting the one. Your frustration.

Since Brawl's dying, and my data serves no purpose as it is outdated (though still detailed), I can show it again when AIB goes back up to prove that I was determined and serious back in the late 2008 to mid 2010 days. You'd be surprised bout how much effort I put in to all the data.

Wait? It's down again?
Just hasn't been a good time for them isn't it?

 

[mimgrim]

Try being me.
Mr. G&W was 6th at one point. Then he came around.

Welcome to Brawl.

 

[Substitution]

Welcome to Brawl.

"Welcome to the jungle! We've got fun n' games!"

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm not even talking bout Pojo.

I was part of the site Duel Academy. Oh god the people there.

While I agree with you for the most part. I was always of the mind that Rescue Rabbit wasn't the problem but the XYZs were. I would had been fine with Leviar banned and I even advocated for Laggia to be limited, a 2400 hitting Solemn Judgment with no LP cost c'mon man. Rabbit was pretty dope and I built a very unique Rabbit deck that utilized Necroface.

The funny thing is, I did want Rabbit limited currently at one time, despite finding him very balanced. You gotta admit, he does speed up the game. That said, yeah, a ban on Leviair would do wonders for the game. He does too much for a crappy cost. I'd limit Laggie and Dolkka as well. Neither are banworthy, imo. But a limit severely hurts, and actually hurts Evolz too. I question why Konami made them regular Dinosaur only...

I totally agree.

Yeah. Synchro-wise, only Goyo and Trishula can come back. Trishula is strong, but with Diva limited and Birdman might even see a ban(Machines are often banworthy, no?) she would do little. Goyo, on the other hand? He's the crappy version of Big Eye. He's actually how you should earn the permanent control of a monster, through proper battle. Speaking of, Big Eye is the only other banworthy Xyz besides Leviair, imo. Exciton Knight is trash design, but I'd rather just unban Heavy or make a good replacement. Must be a Spell.

Yea Bear is whack. But as long as he is unlimited I will continue to play my stun variation of Fire Fists.

Ironically, I completely will take Inzektors and Hornet's pops over Bear any day. Mostly because they can't gain extra advantage over it, just deal eh damage at best. Dragonfly, as noted, is the problem anyway.

Konami has always made weird decisions when it comes to the tier list.

I can't say they didn't make sense to me. In the end, anyway. Some cards are still semi'd for no reason, like Magical Stone Excavation.

I still want Tengu unlimited though.

As long as Glow-Up Bulb doesn't come back, sure. That's the only problem with it. Arguably, so is Pot of Avarice.

Question to the Mods: Should we take this to a different thread?

 

[Substitution]

Question to the Mods: Should we take this to a different thread?

Do we even have a Yu-Gi-Oh thread?