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[Swamp Sensei]

Game arcade and Mario Kart.

Is it fun?

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Is it fun?

We raced each other.

I need to a picture of it but some arcades have like Gundam heads you enter in and play this network Gundam game. The entire side is a giant screen. So you have to look back in order to see behind you. You need a members card and pay a monthly fee.

 

[mimgrim]

So, on the topic of games.
I've been trying to beat the original six Megaman Games (already beat 2 and 6, just need 3, 4, and 5).
I'm currently going through the first. And let me tell you. I miss those E-Tanks...

The only Megaman game I have played is Zero's collection. lol


But since we talking bout games. I FINALLY go to a point in Blue Dragon where it has actually picked up and I can enjoy it for long bursts rather then just very short bursts. I was almost ready to give up on that game.

Zola and her jigglyness has nothing to do with it............... Well ok maybe a little.

I currently have to make a ring for Kluke, why her game why ****ing her, but am trying to remember what I did the first time, it was a OP ring, but then the game sorta kind froze on me, went to touch a blue forcefield but at the same time I ended triggering book reading and it got stuck (the character I have it on, Zola, was stock still and the words that scrolled across the screen disappeared yet she was still holding the book, kinda, but the pages were still turning on the book, and she wasn't turning them) and the last save was before the ring making.

Really just makes me go mrgrgr. :L

 

[MSmariosonic]

Did I hear somebody say Pokémon Mystery Dungeon?

 

[Croph]

I'd totally love to try a Mario Kart arcade game.

This reminds me of the time I saw a kinda weird Sonic the Hedgehog arcade game when I was in Vancouver.

Spoiler

First time I saw an arcade game based on a video game series (I think). Don't blame me!

I did a bit of research on the game, and it's a 1993 redemption game. A coin is inserted and the amount of tickets given depends on where it lands.

Heh, as a kid one of my fave arcade game to play was Crocodile Panic, and probably the most memorable. Gosh, every arcade I went to had one of these lol.

Don't know about you guys though.

 

[Chiroz]

No. All I see is they weren't included for the SSE and we don't know a single reason why.

And no, I cannot see how Jigglypuff would add to it. She sings. She gets mad. Pikachu was a generator. Link and Yoshi are both green, and both are heroic and would help others. Marth and Ike are so easy to see as guys who defend their castle. Why on earth would she team up with Toon Link? Toon Link doesn't use music, besides a taunt. What would Wolf add? They had an antagonist for Fox and Falco in there already with Giant Diddy Kong and Rayquaza. Wario already was basically a bounty hunter for hire.

What I'm saying is they weren't automatically low priority. They could've been finished later, but that's not a matter of priority of who should be done, but a priority of who to finish first. They aren't the same thing, of course.

Look, I'm going to say it right now and for the last time; There is zero proof that Jigglypuff was a low priority to add to the game. There is only proof she was not important for the sole purpose of the SSE. And that's it. Nothing about the file order is going to convince me. You want to convince me? Give me a statement where Sakurai actually said Jigglypuff was low priority to include in the game. Till then, please drop it. I am not afraid to use the Ignore List and I won't accept theories as proof. I don't find it plausible she was every low priority to include in the game. He actually said the roster was finished before. That tells me she was definitely going to be in the game, and that he was going to originally put the other in too. Then Sonic came along and he realized some had to be cut. So he cut Mewtwo(64 Veteran and new characters were clearly more important), Roy(clone, was heavily worked on), Dixie(didn't work out, not enough time to iron it out, as he said), Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik(one clone, another who we don't know exactly who it was), whatever Pra_Mai was(possibly Plusle & Minun), and Dr. Mario(clone, can't be a costume due to being unique and the outright fact that he was a clone because of that reason. It is of course possible Sakurai might've made him a costume, but I find that unlikely due to "Mario can't do stuff Dr. Mario does" as he implies in his Japanese Melee Website Dr. Mario page).

I am not going to go into much detail because you seem to get riled up when people present facts that go against your beliefs. (After some edits this post became much longer than what it originally was)

(Note that I say facts because everything I've said are actual facts. I haven't actually stated that Jiggz was for sure low priority. All I have done is present you with compelling information and then asked you what do you think of those facts presented by me and for some reason you got really pissed off when I haven't even disagreed with you directly, I was merely pointing out why most people, myself included, do believe that those characters were low priority).




Now here's the money question:

If you were the lead producer/designer of the development team, and the story mode was your biggest focus (this was stated by Sakurai, plus the fact that SSE took more than half of the development time, again stated by Sakurai and took more than half of Brawl's data on the disc). If you had a list of 43 characters and there were 32 characters that are absolutely essential to the story (as you claim they are, since you claim that Jigglypuff was not included because there was no way to give her any importance in the story. Taking this claim then that means that you believe that everyone who was included is because they had an important role in the story). You are absolutely certain you won't have enough time to implement all 43 characters, you don't even know if you have enough time to implement 30 as there are always complications when making games.

Would you not choose to develop the 32 vital characters to the focus of the game before the other 10 non-important characters?




Now in my personal opinion, that's not what happened. You can see that the SSE is just a bunch of characters that are separate and start grouping up. I assume it was because of the exact same reason that I quoted earlier. As characters got developed their side stories were added into SSE and they would have a "convergence" point with the main group. At some point it was decided that there was no time to keep expanding the SSE and it was ended. Sonic then came along and the ending was changed to include Sonic into the SSE. Before releasing the game there was enough time to squeeze 3 more characters, Jiggz, Wolf and TLink but they weren't added into the SSE because there was just no more time for it.




Anyways there is no proof dictating that those 3 characters were not low priority. And although it is true what you say that we do not actually know for sure whether they were low or not, due to the facts and hard evidence that was presented before, it is much more probable that they were.

You cannot know whether a man committed murder. Even if you find him with a gun which has hand prints, a missing bullet and gunpowder residue on top of the body, you cannot truly know what happened unless you saw it can you? The man could have just shot the gun into the air and then some other person who was there shot the dead guy and ran. But most probably it wasn't so and a court would probably find him guilty.

What I'm saying is they weren't automatically low priority. They could've been finished later, but that's not a matter of priority of who should be done, but a priority of who to finish first. They aren't the same thing, of course.

Priority is literally who needs to be finished first. This paragraph makes no sense. Priority is the word we, the Smash community, have used to quantify just how essential a character is to the game related to the importance of the rest of the cast. When someone has higher priority it means that out of all the characters, it is important that this character is included. As such a character having the highest priority means that if the game were to be released with only one more character, then that character should be the one in the game, which in turn means he will be the one worked on first before moving into the next character.

Anyone who is worked on last is not in any way high priority as potential complications with the game could have excluded him from the game and this was a risk the developers are willing to make (I.E.: Mewtwo). Thus other characters were given a higher priority to be included than said character.

Sure you can debate certain characters have a "tied" priority. The game won't release without Mario, Link, Pikachu and Kirby, even if Mario is developed first, we all know all these characters have the highest priority. And sure there are some characters which must be on a "if we have enough time" status which are never really considered until all other important characters are finished, and these could be said to have the same lowest priority. But you have to remember that there is a time schedule the development team has to stick to. Sakurai knows this very well, and he knows that not all the characters that he wants will make it in, they never do. Once you are past all the very essential characters and before you jump into the "filler" characters, there are a certain amount of characters which must be included. The order in which they are included is what dictates who had a higher priority of being developed/making it into the game.





Also, when I was speaking of how important is Pikachu I was referring to the fact that you could take every single character out of the SSE except for Mario, Peach/Zelda, Kirby, Metaknight, King Dedede, Bowser, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, R.O.B and maaaybe Pit and the SSE would not change at all.

Sure some cutscenes would look completely different. Sure there would be side stories such as Bowser stealing bananas completely gone from the story. But the main plot would remain completely intact and nothing would change at all. This is what I meant by importance. A side story of Toon Link's Wind Waker being stolen and Jigglypuff joining in just because she was around could have been made, they would converge with the main group at some point, maybe finding Fox, Falco and Diddy and fighting Wolf who was the one who stole the Wind Waker just to lure the heroes to him.



Also claiming Toon Link doesn't use music? Have you ever played a single Zelda game? Let alone Wind Waker which the sole instrument he has is the instrument composers use to lead an orchestra. How could he be any more music related? Did you know he uses the Wind Waker for several different mechanics in the game (like changing the wind). He has also been known to use music to summon friends, teleport places, warp through time, slow time, stop time, fasten time, make it rain, have animals approach him, milk cows, enrage animals, make people happy (as in drug-style happy), put souls to rest, create objects out of thin air, disappear solid objects. What more do you want?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Spoiler

 

[MSmariosonic]

Anyone else want this to be a thing?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Anyone else want this to be a thing?

Needs a flag at the top.

And maybe a catsuit.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Needs a flag at the top.

And maybe a catsuit.

You just Nintendofied it.

 

[Arcadenik]

Good to know Sakurai admitted that Bumpers are the reason Flippers aren't coming back.

 

[Kamikazek]

I can't say I understand why he considers bumpers and flippers to be mutually exclusive.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I can't say I understand why he considers bumpers and flippers to be mutually exclusive.

OMG u giez Balloon Fighermin confirmed

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@ Chiroz : Ignore List updated. Drop it means drop it. I'm going to ask you stop bringing in people to convince me, and that's to everyone. If and only if you can find a statement where Sakurai outright says Jigglypuff was low priority to put into the game, I am not going to accept any theories as legitimate evidence. I already debunked the whole theory anyway as poppycock. It was based upon SSE plans, which makes too much sense. The rest of the Forbidden 7 are where they are since 70% of the game was concentrated on the SSE itself(a number Sakurai actually said). Also, low priority to get into the game =/= low priority to get into the SSE =/= low priority to finish designing. All 3 things are different types of priority. While it's possible they all happened to be the case for Jigglypuff, that's too much of anecdotal evidence for me to take as 100% proof and not just a pure theory(or hypothesis, since a theory is currently right without any doubts. Oddly enough, lot sof people don't know this, but since you blatantly want to be nitpicky, might as well return the favor).

Moving on, I need to somehow make it so my current avatar only shows Sheik(Toon-based design) without the background etc. so I can update my roster with a Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik icon. Albeit, has somebody properly done this already(made a Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik icon, to clarify). Saves me time.

 

[MSmariosonic]

One more guys?

 

[The Original Robot boy]

@ Chiroz : Ignore List updated. Drop it means drop it. I'm going to ask you stop bringing in people to convince me, and that's to everyone. If and only if you can find a statement where Sakurai outright says Jigglypuff was low priority to put into the game, I am not going to accept any theories as legitimate evidence. I already debunked the whole theory anyway as poppycock. It was based upon SSE plans, which makes too much sense. The rest of the Forbidden 7 are where they are since 70% of the game was concentrated on the SSE itself(a number Sakurai actually said). Also, low priority to get into the game =/= low priority to get into the SSE =/= low priority to finish designing. All 3 things are different types of priority. While it's possible they all happened to be the case for Jigglypuff, that's too much of anecdotal evidence for me to take as 100% proof and not just a pure theory(or hypothesis, since a theory is currently right without any doubts. Oddly enough, lot sof people don't know this, but since you blatantly want to be nitpicky, might as well return the favor).

Moving on, I need to somehow make it so my current avatar only shows Sheik(Toon-based design) without the background etc. so I can update my roster with a Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik icon. Albeit, has somebody properly done this already(made a Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik icon, to clarify). Saves me time.

Believe what you wanna believe ? o.o

 

[Arcadenik]

The excitement of Waluigi's deconfirmation wore off and I am bored again... I wish to see the Internet burn again... I think it is time for Sakurai to deconfirm another popularly-requested character. The graveyard is not populated enough.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

The excitement of Waluigi's deconfirmation wore off and I am bored again... I wish to see the Internet burn again... I think it is time for Sakurai to deconfirm another popularly-requested character. The graveyard is not populated enough.

maybe deconfirm tetra so i can cry? lol

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The excitement of Waluigi's deconfirmation wore off and I am bored again... I wish to see the Internet burn again... I think it is time for Sakurai to deconfirm another popularly-requested character. The graveyard is not populated enough.

I hope he disconfirms Palutena then.

BTW, the official word is disconfirm, not deconfirm. Odd, I know.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

I hope he disconfirms Palutena then.

BTW, the official word is disconfirm, not deconfirm. Odd, I know.

meh i'll stick with deconfirm but yeah i kinda can see that happening since he kind of trolled us with the sky world stage

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

meh i'll stick with deconfirm but yeah i kinda can see that happening since he kind of trolled us with the sky world stage

Yeah.

To be fair, he did the same thing with Toon Link, so I won't lie that seeing her and not Medusa does seem to go more towards Palutena being playable. I disagree with it if Medusa's not available, but whatever happens happens. I can accept that, as it's still a notable character who is also female and a staff user.

 

[Arcadenik]

Not Palutena... she is popular AND important... I am thinking of unimportant characters who are popularly-requested... you know, like Skull Kid, Ashley, and Waluigi... it is just that I feel that none of my most-wanted characters except Little Mac (who is confirmed) would get in Smash anyway so I got nothing to lose if a character is deconfirmed...

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Yeah.

To be fair, he did the same thing with Toon Link, so I won't lie that seeing her and not Medusa does seem to go more towards Palutena being playable. I disagree with it if Medusa's not available, but whatever happens happens. I can accept that, as it's still a notable character who is also female and a staff user.

i'm hoping for viridi i know that's odd but could be like spirit tracks stage where different person appears when the character is on stage and it could be hades in background instead of viridi

 

[Arcadenik]

i'm hoping for viridi i know that's odd but could be like spirit tracks stage where different person appears when the character is on stage and it could be hades in background instead of viridi

And if Hades and Viridi are both playable... who would be the stage hazard? It cannot be Alfonzo because he doesn't exist in Angel Land.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

And if Hades and Viridi are both playable... who would be the stage hazard? It cannot be Alfonzo because he doesn't exist in Angel Land.

Yes it can Leave it to him!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Waluigi is key to the plot of one game. Sounds important to me.

So I count him too. Nobody but Wario is ultimately important in WarioWare, so that's irrelevant. Skull Kid is extremely important, especially the MM one. He's the main antagonist, for cripes' sake. Sorry, man, but your criteria is contradicting.

Popular is the only one all 3 got in common. So I stick with Palutena.

Another would be Ridley, then of course Shadow the Hedgehog(let's be honest, some want him, and Sakurai did not say one third party per company, well, ever. It seems likely that's the case, respectfully, of course), and previous playable characters(who all are popular to someone).

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Waluigi is key to the plot of one game. Sounds important to me.

So I count him too. Nobody but Wario is ultimately important in WarioWare, so that's irrelevant. Skull Kid is extremely important, especially the MM one. He's the main antagonist, for cripes' sake. Sorry, man, but your criteria is contradicting.

Popular is the only one all 3 got in common. So I stick with Palutena.

Another would be Ridley, then of course Shadow the Hedgehog(let's be honest, some want him, and Sakurai did not say one third party per company, well, ever. It seems likely that's the case, respectfully, of course), and previous playable characters(who all are popular to someone).

But ridley is too small

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

But ridley is too small

That's what Samus said.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

That's what Samus said.

Exactly since samus takes over the whole half the stage

 

[Wario Bros.]

Well, one of my Miiverse messages was deleted by a Miiverse admin for using the words "Project M". I understand Project M violates Nintendo's User Agreement but all I was saying I went to a tournament that had Project M, I didn't go into details on PM. I'm not trying to promote it.

So what we talkin' aboot?

 

[Substitution]

Well, one of my Miiverse messages was deleted by a Miiverse admin for using the words "Project M". I understand Project M violates Nintendo's User Agreement but all I was saying I went to a tournament that had Project M, I didn't go into details on PM. I'm not trying to promote it.

So what we talkin' aboot?

I think it was bagels...

 

[BluePikmin11]

I wanna see Takamaru deconfirmed, but I know he's going to be playable.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, one of my Miiverse messages was deleted by a Miiverse admin for using the words "Project M". I understand Project M violates Nintendo's User Agreement but all I was saying I went to a tournament that had Project M, I didn't go into details on PM. I'm not trying to promote it.

So what we talkin' aboot?

You cannot mention hacks on there. I'd like to note mentioning something alone can count as promoting it, no matter the context. I hate that idea, but it's sadly a thing.

We've had a situation at TVTropes alone where we had to remove pages because their existence is considered promoting them by Google standards. If it can be searched...

 

[Substitution]

You cannot mention hacks on there. I'd like to note mentioning something alone can count as promoting it, no matter the context. I hate that idea, but it's sadly a thing.

We've had a situation at TVTropes alone where we had to remove pages because their existence is considered promoting them by Google standards. If it can be searched...

You're a member on TVTropes?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You're a member on TVTropes?

Known as Irene, in the past as Hydronix and Hydrozor, and also currently as WhiteAirKnight. :3

Been there for years~

 

[Substitution]

Known as Irene, in the past as Hydronix and Hydrozor, and also currently as WhiteAirKnight. :3

Been there for years~

...And you we're able to go to other sites?
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

...And you were able to go to other sites?
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?!

Tabs, my friend.

I'm on multiple sites. Contrary to popular belief, few people only visit TVT in general. It depends if it's key to their life. I know one person who kind of does, but he's the owner of the site and does almost ALL of the coding for it, so beyond his regular job, what choice does he have?

 

[Wario Bros.]

So no hack talk on Miiverse, eh? Fine...

At least I can still talk about fan games like Super Smash Flash 2 & Super Smash Bros. Crusade (I've done so all the time and never got a peep from admins.)

 

[Substitution]

So no hack talk on Miiverse, eh? Fine...

At least I can still talk about fan games like Super Smash Flash 2 & Super Smash Bros. Crusade (I've done so all the time and never got a peep from admins.)

Says this when Venus is here...
But, if anything, I can't wait for 9.b.
Hopefully some get a decent buff this time around (looking at you Tails)...

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Tabs and hacks