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[SuperMii3D]

Actually, he's higher than Mario. Quite a bit actually. 9th on the tier list.

And, admittedly, it's more of a selfish reason.
See, I enjoy playing as Mario. Heck we would be one of my mains.
The problems is the nerfs he's gotten, especially with FLUDD.

If they brought back Dr. Mario.
Not only would we get someone similar to Melee Mario, but a more powerful Mario as well (and before anybody says Luigi, they play very differently).

Ive been using the FLUDD by trying to stop recoveries. Its been a tough duty, but Im slowly getting the hang of it.

 

[Substitution]

Ive been using the FLUDD by trying to stop recoveries. Its been a tough duty, but Im slowly getting the hang of it.

Eh, I guess it could also be I'm not used to FLUDD and the "Mario Tornado-ish" Down Special.
But I did kinda like his older moveset a bit more...

 

[SuperMii3D]

Eh, I guess it could also be I'm not used to FLUDD and the "Mario Tornado-ish" Down Special.
But I did kinda like his older moveset a bit more...

I was hoping they would get rid of the FLUDD, but I guess Sakurai didnt go for it. Its pretty darn useless, and very underwhelming compared to the Tornado

 

[Sehnsucht]

Actually, he's higher than Mario. Quite a bit actually. 9th on the tier list.

And, admittedly, it's more of a selfish reason.
See, I enjoy playing as Mario. Heck we would be one of my mains.
The problems is the nerfs he's gotten, especially with FLUDD.

If they brought back Dr. Mario.
Not only would we get someone similar to Melee Mario, but a more powerful Mario as well (and before anybody says Luigi, they play very differently).

I wasn't referring to the competitive tier list; rather, I referred to series prominence. Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, etc. are much higher on the tier list of Mario franchise prominence and importance than Doctor Mario (the term "tier" refers to the echelons of a hierarchy, after all).

Same goes with Pichu in relation to Pokemon. They were dispensable because of this and their clone status; but Ganondorf and Falco were not, since they are central to their series of origin. When they were brought to Brawl, therefore, they were made semi-clones.

I don't play as Mario, but I do think that the FLUDD doesn't seem to have much of a purpose (i.e. it does no damage, and is only useful to push things away). Relegating the Mario Tornado to his Down Aerial seems rather much a loss, really. Since I play Luigi, though, I don't have this problem myself.

 

[Substitution]

I wasn't referring to the competitive tier list; rather, I referred to series prominence. Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, etc. are much higher on the tier list of Mario franchise prominence and importance than Doctor Mario (the term "tier" refers to the echelons of a hierarchy, after all).

Didn't stop G&W, or ROB.

Same goes with Pichu in relation to Pokemon. They were dispensable because of this and their clone status; but Ganondorf and Falco were not, since they are central to their series of origin. When they were brought to Brawl, therefore, they were made semi-clones.

Actually, he has a better chance.
When people hacked the game, they found character files belong to what we call "the forbidden seven".
Dr. Mario was among the seven. Which implies he was considered at one point.

I don't play as Mario, but I do think that the FLUDD doesn't seem to have much of a purpose (i.e. it does no damage, and is only useful to push things away). Relegating the Mario Tornado to his Down Aerial seems rather much a loss, really. Since I play Luigi, though, I don't have this problem myself.

IMO it's more of a spacing tool.
While Mario Tornado wasn't the best. It did it's job well...

 

[Deleted member]

Seems to me that they cut Pichu and Doc because they were low-tier Mario and Pokemon characters (whereas Falco and Ganondorf are significant characters in their respective franchises, hence why they were kept). Young Link was subsumed by Toon Link, and Roy and Mewtwo were cut from Brawl due to time and development constraints.

Literally the only thing Roy has over Doc in Brawl is that his Victory Theme file still exists (though consisting of garbage data like other unused 'different' victory themes).
Then again...Wolf's doesn't exist either, and he's in Brawl.

This is honestly why I can't take statements that downplay Dr. Mario and praise Roy.

 

[Substitution]

Literally the only thing Roy has over Doc in Brawl is that his Victory Theme file still exists (though consisting of garbage data like other unused 'different' victory themes).
Then again...Wolf's doesn't exist either, and he's in Brawl.

This is honestly why I can't take statements that downplay Dr. Mario and praise Roy.

And is why I'm hopin' he still has a chance...

 

[Deleted member]

And is why I'm hopin' he still has a chance...

I've given up hope a long time ago.
I'm pretty much under the belief that the only Melee to Brawl cut that will return is Mewtwo.

 

[Substitution]

I've given up hope a long time ago.
I'm pretty much under the belief that the only Melee to Brawl cut that will return is Mewtwo.

I can dream!

 

[Sehnsucht]

Didn't stop G&W, or ROB.

Game & Watch is the star of G&W, and ROB is the star of Stack-Up/Gyromite. They are at the top of the series prominence hierarchy for their respective series. So it is no surprise that when Sakurai and Friends chose to include G&W/SU/Gyro characters, that they would choose G&W and ROB (not that there were any other viable choices for those series to begin with).

When I speak of series prominence, I speak only in relation to a series in itself, and not in comparison with others. Doctor Mario is of lesser prominence within the Mario Franchise, and the Mario Franchise alone. That the Game & Watch series is much more obscure than the Mario series, for example, does nothing to change Doc's place in the Mario franchise, relative to other Mario characters.

Actually, he has a better chance.
When people hacked the game, they found character files belong to what we call "the forbidden seven".
Dr. Mario was among the seven. Which implies he was considered at one point.

That is correct. However, all of the lower-priority Melee Clones were on that list. The Forbidden Seven are as follows:

-Doctor Mario
-Roy
-Mewtwo
-Plusle & Minun (possibly an Ice Climbers clone that would replace Pichu)
-Dixie Kong (possibly a Diddy clone)
-Toon Zelda (possibly a Zelda clone)
-Toon Sheik or Tetra (possibly a Sheik clone, to be used as a transformation in conjunction with Toon Zelda)

Ganondorf and Falco are not here because of their importance to Zelda and SF (and Young Link was replaced).

I have also read that of these seven, Mewtwo and Roy had the most development put into them (though how much, I don't know; probably not all too much). They would even have (allegedly) made the Brawl cut, had Sonic not been added so late into development. Mewtwo and Roy were therefore cut, and Sonic (and Wolf***) made up for their loss.

Going by the above list, being considered is one thing, but getting in the game is another. And the fact that Doc is even on this list never bode well for his prospects to begin with (as this list seems to comprise of the lowest-priority characters).

I suppose that this could have changed with SSB4, but I still saw Doc's chances as being low, given his priority treatment in Brawl - and especially now, with five Mario characters.

***Apparently, before Sonic's inclusion, the planned Brawl roster at the time had everyone including Mewtwo and Roy, and excluding Wolf. Sonic's late inclusion reversed this.

IMO it's more of a spacing tool.
While Mario Tornado wasn't the best. It did it's job well...

Since I don't use Mario, I can't gauge the usefulness of the FLUDD.

I did like to use the Mario Tornado in 64, since it sucked everyone in (with a satisfying bam-bam-bam).

 

[Deleted member]

The Forbidden Seven are as follows:


-Plusle & Minun (possibly an Ice Climbers clone that would replace Pichu)

***Apparently, before Sonic's inclusion, the planned Brawl roster at the time had everyone including Mewtwo and Roy, and excluding Wolf. Sonic's late inclusion reversed this.

Both of these are incorrect.

 

[Substitution]

Game & Watch is the star of G&W, and ROB is the star of Stack-Up/Gyromite. They are at the top of the series prominence hierarchy for their respective series. So it is no surprise that when Sakurai and Friends chose to include G&W/SU/Gyro characters, that they would choose G&W and ROB (not that there were any other viable choices for those series to begin with).

When I speak of series prominence, I speak only in relation to a series in itself, and not in comparison with others. Doctor Mario is of lesser prominence within the Mario Franchise, and the Mario Franchise alone. That the Game & Watch series is much more obscure than the Mario series, for example, does nothing to change Doc's place in the Mario franchise, relative to other Mario characters.

Rosalina says hi.

That is correct. However, all of the lower-priority Melee Clones were on that list. The Forbidden Seven are as follows:

-Doctor Mario
-Roy
-Mewtwo
-Plusle & Minun (possibly an Ice Climbers clone that would replace Pichu)
-Dixie Kong (possibly a Diddy clone)
-Toon Zelda (possibly a Zelda clone)
-Toon Sheik or Tetra (possibly a Sheik clone, to be used as a transformation in conjunction with Toon Zelda)

Ganondorf and Falco are not here because of their importance to Zelda and SF (and Young Link was replaced).

Well, for one.
Young Link isn't on the list, nor is Pichu.
So I wouldn't say "lower-priority".

I have also read that of these seven, Mewtwo and Roy had the most development put into them (though how much, I don't know; probably not all too much). They would even have (allegedly) made the Brawl cut, had Sonic not been added so late into development. Mewtwo and Roy were therefore cut, and Sonic (and Wolf***) made up for their loss.

I would assume so. They probably do at least one or two characters at a time (going back to them for revisions).
And, they could've made the cut.
Maybe this time they're going back and retrieve the Forbidden Seven. At this rate there's no telling.

Going by the above list, being considered is one thing, but getting in the game is another. And the fact that Doc is even on this list never bode well for his prospects to begin with (as this list seems to comprise of the lowest-priority characters).

But it does mean he was considered. Which is better than nothing...

I suppose that this could have changed with SSB4, but I still saw Doc's chances as being low, given his priority treatment in Brawl - and especially now, with five Mario characters.

I understand his chances are low. And, most likely, he won't make it.
But I do have hope that somehow he will, even against all odds.

And, I did say this somewhere else, he could represent his own francise...

***Apparently, before Sonic's inclusion, the planned Brawl roster at the time had everyone including Mewtwo and Roy, and excluding Wolf. Sonic's late inclusion reversed this.

Since I don't use Mario, I can't gauge the usefulness of the FLUDD.

I did like to use the Mario Tornado in 64, since it sucked everyone in (with a satisfying bam-bam-bam).

I have, it's more useful as a spacing tool.
And while I don't exactly play Melee (I plan on changing that), I do main him in SSF2. And, if used right, Mario Tornado's isn't that bad.

Both of these are incorrect.

Mind explaining?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

To be honest, while I love Roy and all, I feel that almost all of Ike's moves would be perfect for him(minus Aether and Great Aether), so I'd rather he became a set of costumes for Ike. Then add another FE person. Preferrably with another weapon.

As for the Doc, I remember the Project M idea. Do that. You basically select Mario, press a special button, and he becomes the Doc with a different moveset, although similar to Mario, could keeps his unique stuff from Melee. Because Mario now plays differently due to FLUDD alone, they could even more differentiate them, all without giving Dr. Mario a regular different slot on the screen.

As for the Forbidden 7, Plusle and Minun is solely a guess on Pra_Mai's meaning. It's unconfirmed. Toon Sheik itself is was the official file name, but nobody knows if it was a codename for Tetra(this is possible) or if he intended a clone(after he made Giga Bowser, a close based upon a regular character, it's not hard to swallow at all). The rest are official, though. I think he intended a Toon Sheik at one point, but may have then planned to switch it to Tetra(having a model already available helps) for a more unique moveset. I would've liked that, but eh, who knows.

 

[Deleted member]

Mind explaining?

Was about to edit this into the post, but I'll go ahead and post it here:

To explain;
"pra_mai" cannot be Plusle and Minun for a variety of reasons:
a. Single file. Plusle and Minun, being two characters, would have separate files like Popo and Nana do.
b. Naming issue. The file name would either be "prasleminun" as is the filename for their trophy, or something along the lines of "pra_mi" or "pra_min". Their names in Japan are "Prasle" and "Minun".
c. Positioning of the file. It comes before Jigglypuff, the start of the "post-SSE bonus characters"/"include if there's time to include them" characters. Unless Plusle and Minun were supposed to have Sonic's role of weakening Tabuu, they would be at some point after Dr. Mario, as this list goes by order of veterans to newcomers.
d. Abundance of Pokémon characters. With Pikachu, Pokémon Trainer, and Lucario in the "main" section, as well as Jigglypuff and Mewtwo in the "bonus" section, it's a hard pill to swallow to believe Plusle and Minun were also planned for the "main" section on top of that.


As for the Sonic thing, while Sonic most likely caused a few kinks that needed to be worked out, all of the "Forbidden 7" were meant to be in the game unless time prevented them, not just Mewtwo and Roy. While they may have had a better shot if Sonic wasn't added late than the rest, that's not to say they were the only ones that were meant to be.
The one exception to this is "pra_mai", as I mentioned above. Why "pra_mai" was taken out is as much as mystery as who it's supposed to be, considering "pra_mai" isn't actually part of the same list as the other "Forbidden 7". This raises a theory of mine that Sonic directly affected this character while indirectly affected the likes of Mewtwo, Roy, etc.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Both of these are incorrect.

I'm simply relating information from memory that I have absorbed over time. I find myself unsurprised, therefore, that I would have cobbled together a skewed recollection. XS

Concerning Plusle & Minun, a quick check shows that there was a character label known as "Pra_Mai" among the list - and that some people thought it might allude to a Pluses & Minun duo. I suppose that's where I got that notion.

I forget where I read about the Mewtwo-Roy-Sonic-Wolf thing, however. Is it true, however, that Sonic's inclusion did in fact lead to Mewtwo and/or Roy getting cut (assuming they were ever in the running at all)?

EDIT: I see you have posted some clarifications on these matters. So ignore this section of this post.

Rosalina says hi.

Well, for one.
Young Link isn't on the list, nor is Pichu.
So I wouldn't say "lower-priority".

Rosalina represents Mario Galaxy, which is a rather successful mainline Mario series (which consequently made Rosalina a far more prominent Mario character by association). Her inclusion didn't surprise me, as a result.

If Toon Link did not in fact replace Young Link, then it can certainly be said TL is the spiritual successor to YL (for both are diminutive Link semi(clones)).

Pichu is indeed not part of the Seven. But so far as I can tell, the list pertains to lower-priority characters - low enough that in the end, all they got were name tags hidden within Brawl's code. Whether this means that the Seven were very much in the running, or were way behind, is something the list doesn't clarify.

I would assume so. They probably do at least one or two characters at a time (going back to them for revisions).
And, they could've made the cut.
Maybe this time they're going back and retrieve the Forbidden Seven. At this rate there's no telling.

Of the Melee characters that didn't make the cut to Brawl, Mewtwo seems the most probable for inclusion in SSB4 - if only because he was the only non-clone character from Melee who wasn't included in Brawl.

I can see Dixie and perhaps Tetra (+/- Toon Zelda) being the most probable non-Veteran characters from the Seven for SSB4 inclusion. The Pra_Mai is a wildcard, since the exact reference is unknown. Roy seems to be in contention with all FE Newcomer candidates, if we suppose Ike also makes the cut alongside Marth. Though I suppose they could have four FE characters if they really wanted to (or simply Marth-Ike-Roy without a Newcomer).

Doc could be made a semi-clone, at the very least. One could argue that Toon Link's return is a good sign for (semi)clones. But I suspect Toon Link was added to SSB4 mostly because they're trying to retain all Brawl characters anyway (and TL does represent the Toonverse side of the Zelda franchise).

But it does mean he was considered. Which is better than nothing...

I understand his chances are low. And, most likely, he won't make it.
But I do have hope that somehow he will, even against all odds.

And, I did say this somewhere else, he could represent his own francise...

Rooting for the underdog is not unreasonable. I myself wave my little Ghirahim banner, even though his prospects are rather low compared to other Zelda Newcomer candidates.

Would Sakurai and Sora see the Doctor Mario games as worthy of being represented as its own series, distinct from Mario? I'm not so sure about this. Then again, it's hard to divine what goes on in Sakurai's mind to begin with. XP

I have, it's more useful as a spacing tool.
And while I don't exactly play Melee (I plan on changing that), I do main him in SSF2. And, if used right, Mario Tornado's isn't that bad.

That's what it seems to me. If you had the choice, would Mario's Down Special be FLUDD or the Tornado (or whatever other move of your choice)?

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

This discussion is pointless and boring. ¦(

So instead, my friends...BEHOLD!!

INCEPTION! THE BOARD GAME! D:

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/25/5447222/unofficial-inception-board-game-is-just-as-mind-bending

 

[Deleted member]

Would Sakurai and Sora see the Doctor Mario games as worthy of being represented as its own series, distinct from Mario? I'm not so sure about this. Then again, it's hard to divine what goes on in Sakurai's mind to begin with. XP

To be fair, he kind of distanced the Dr. Mario franchise from the main Mario one in Brawl, so the idea isn't that far out there....


Just imagine something like this:

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@GoldenYuiitusin: It kind of looks like a shoe(loafer). XD

Also, that's a good point about pra_mai. Never knew most of that information.

 

[Substitution]

Rosalina represents Mario Galaxy, which is a rather successful mainline Mario series (which consequently made Rosalina a far more prominent Mario character by association). Her inclusion didn't surprise me, as a result.

Dr. Mario also comes from a successful mainstream Mario series.
Heck, he even has his own franchise.

If Toon Link did not in fact replace Young Link, then it can certainly be said TL is the spiritual successor to YL (for both are diminutive Link semi(clones)).

So then why aren't both in?
I'm not saying replacement, but there had to be a reason.

Pichu is indeed not part of the Seven. But so far as I can tell, the list pertains to lower-priority characters - low enough that in the end, all they got were name tags hidden within Brawl's code. Whether this means that the Seven were very much in the running, or were way behind, is something the list doesn't clarify.

Sure, but then you say:

Of the Melee characters that didn't make the cut to Brawl, Mewtwo seems the most probable for inclusion in SSB4 - if only because he was the only non-clone character from Melee who wasn't included in Brawl.

I can see Dixie and perhaps Tetra (+/- Toon Zelda) being the most probable non-Veteran characters from the Seven for SSB4 inclusion. The Pra_Mai is a wildcard, since the exact reference is unknown. Roy seems to be in contention with all FE Newcomer candidates, if we suppose Ike also makes the cut alongside Marth. Though I suppose they could have four FE characters if they really wanted to (or simply Marth-Ike-Roy without a Newcomer).

But, according to your logic.
The Forbidden Seven is low priority. This includes the characters you mention.
If anything, they'd have the same chance...

Doc could be made a semi-clone, at the very least. One could argue that Toon Link's return is a good sign for (semi)clones. But I suspect Toon Link was added to SSB4 mostly because they're trying to retain all Brawl characters anyway (and TL does represent the Toonverse side of the Zelda franchise).

But, it does show a possibility...

Rooting for the underdog is not unreasonable. I myself wave my little Ghirahim banner, even though his prospects are rather low compared to other Zelda Newcomer candidates.

Would Sakurai and Sora see the Doctor Mario games as worthy of being represented as its own series, distinct from Mario? I'm not so sure about this. Then again, it's hard to divine what goes on in Sakurai's mind to begin with. XP

If Rosalina, Wii Fit Trainer, and Toon Link (among others) got in.
He could be a decent "oddball" choice. Which Sakurai loves.

That's what it seems to me. If you had the choice, would Mario's Down Special be FLUDD or the Tornado (or whatever other move of your choice)?

Mario Tornado.

To be fair, he kind of distanced the Dr. Mario franchise from the main Mario one in Brawl, so the idea isn't that far out there....


Just imagine something like this:

Perfect!

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

 

[Rukia]

I think they should definitely add a new Fire Emblem lord. Maybe Chrom or Lucina.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Dr. Mario also comes from a successful mainstream Mario series.
Heck, he even has his own franchise.

Indeed. Though it seems that Sakurai and Friends saw Galaxy as the more desirable series to represent in SSB4 (that is, supposing we won't get more than the present five Mario characters).

So then why aren't both in?
I'm not saying replacement, but there had to be a reason.

Other than replacement, I figure that it could be lack of time, that TL was always considered higher priority than YL, that Sakurai thought Wind Waker deserved to be represented in some manner.

Sure, but then you say:

But, according to your logic.
The Forbidden Seven is low priority. This includes the character you mention.
If anything, they'd have the same chance...

So the Seven had equal priority across the board (whether big or small)?

I would imagine that there'd have been a certain priority in the list - which is to say, if they had more time, they would have, for instance, picked Dixie to bring in first, then Toon Zelda/Sheik/Tetra, then Mewtwo, then the rest until they ran out of time and/or decided they had reached a sufficient amount of characters in the roster. It doesn't seem efficient to work on all seven characters at once, given the limits of time and development; they would have picked on the ones that were most viable, and include the rest if time allowed.

I'd see the priority as being Newcomers>Mewtwo (non-clone Veteran)>Melee Clone Vets (Roy, Doc, etc.). But I suppose we'll never know what they thought of the Seven.

I do think that of them all, Mewtwo's return in SSB4 is the most probable. But it's not a given.

You make a decent case for Doc, don't get me wrong. I think we can both agree that if he does make it in, it would be a (welcome) surprise, given everything going on (all other characters being worked on, etc.).

If Doc were to make it in, I'd hope that he would be further de-cloned (maybe have Pills with different effects, tie-in the DM Puzzle mechanics into his gameplay, etc.).

But, it does show a possibility...

We shouldn't be conflating possibility with probability.

All characters are possible, but some are (sometimes much) more probable than others. Not to say that Doc has zero chances, of course. At this point, it seems less likely that he'd get in as a Mario representative; if he is to make the cut, I'm leaning towards him representing the Doctor Mario series (as you also seem to hold).

If Rosalina, Wii Fit Trainer, and Toon Link (among others) got in.
He could be a decent "oddball" choice. Which Sakurai loves.

I don't think he would be all too oddball, especially since he has appeared in a past Smash game.

I also wouldn't count Rosalina and Toon Link as oddball/left field choices either, given the success of Galaxy for the former, and the possibility of a no-Brawl-cuts approach for the latter.

Mario Tornado.

As much as I enjoyed Mario Sunshine, I do also miss the raging Tornado.

Anyway, I think we're in agreement when it comes to Doc; he's improbable, but not impossible.

 

[Substitution]

Anyway, I think we're in agreement when it comes to Doc; he's improbable, but not impossible.

Yeah, we should end it here.

 

[IsmaR]

@GoldenYuiitusin: It kind of looks like a shoe(loafer). XD

Beats the actual one used for Punch-Out.

What vexes me is there was already an "official" icon that would have been much more fitting.

 

[Substitution]

Beats the actual one used for Punch-Out.

What vexes me is there was already an "official" icon that would have been much more fitting.

Eh, whatever works...

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I still think the official series symbol for Megaman is an abomination.

A generic gear? Really?

Wouldn't his helmet be better?

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[Gunla]

Beats the actual one used for Punch-Out.

What vexes me is there was already an "official" icon that would have been much more fitting.

6 Years can change a Sakurai, you know.

I still think the official series symbol for Megaman is an abomination.

A generic gear? Really?

Wouldn't his helmet be better?

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I think a Mettaur helmet would have worked seeing how they appear in most of the games. Barring Legends and all.

 

[Protom]

so whats the topic currently?

 

[Samuel Intrater]

Wii Fit Trainer's symbol should've been a Wii Balance Board and Mega Man's should've been a helmet. The Animal Crossing and Punch Out symbols make sense though.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Unrelated, but here's some lengthy footage of the new Fossil Fighters game.

I'm posting this because dinosaurs.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I ****ing hate that show so nmuch!

I still think the official series symbol for Megaman is an abomination.

A generic gear? Really?

Wouldn't his helmet be better?
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As for the gear, I was quite very baffled by that as well. The only Classic Mega Man game we actually see gears was in Mega Man 8 when the Robot Masters are dying.

 

[FlareHabanero]

As for the gear, I was quite very baffled by that as well. The only Classic Mega Man game we actually see gears was in Mega Man 8 when the Robot Masters are dying.

Actually there were gears in Mega Man 2 too.

His stage and his weapon were both themed after gears.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Unrelated, but here's some lengthy footage of the new Fossil Fighters game.

Spoiler

I'm posting this because dinosaurs.

Anyone up for a motha****ing T-Rex in Smash?

 

[Deleted member]

Anyone up for a motha****ing T-Rex in Smash?

Nope.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Just got done playing xbox and NUNS3 and i feel very irritated

 

[Substitution]

Just got done playing xbox and NUNS3 and i feel very irritated

Wanna explain?

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Wanna explain?

just some tryhard spamming me in the game then getting cocky about his wins

 

[Substitution]

just some tryhard spamming me in the game then getting cocky about his wins

...You ran into DSPGaming?

 

[The Original Robot boy]

...You ran into DSPGaming?

No?

 

[Smooth Criminal]

just some tryhard spamming me in the game then getting cocky about his wins

Spoiler

Smooth Criminal