smash 4 feels slow, like sf iv vanilla slow

[Defeatthefall]

Am I the only person who thinks the speed needs to be slightly increased?

 

[ReddFloxy]

I like the way the game feels, doesn't feel slow at all in my opinion.
Maybe it's because I didn't play smash for a year or more but I remember back when brawl was here. After playing hours of melee and then switching to brawl, the game felt like slow motion. However I don't feel this game is like that.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

After watching the japanese tournament that was posted recently I have even less doubts about the game than I did before.
Here's the thread if you're interested.
http://smashboards.com/threads/tournament-videos-from-japan.369641/

 

[rocksgo]

I think it reached a nice balance between meelee speed and brawl speed. That's the best it ever got in my opinion -- fast does not equal good. Maybe crayzier to watch, but not necessarily more fun to play. Maybe the competitive scenario for this game won't be as big as meelee's for that reason, but personally I couldn't care less.

Also, I find it unfair to compare smash speed to the usual fighting game genre's speed, since smash also has plataforming elements in it.

 

[wingedarcher7]

They claimed they wanted to reach a speed in between Melee and Brawl, and I actually feel like they did it. It isn't as slow and floaty as Brawl, but also not as fast and heavy as Melee. I think they found a great and comfortable midpoint and I'm enjoying it.

 

[sssetz]

I think the speed is perfect. Never had a problem with Melee or Brawl and so far even the demo feels leaps above both in just smooth, fast paced smashin!

 

[ZombieBran]

In fact, I think time between dodges is too quick.

 

[PKNinja95]

Feels great to me

 

[Defeatthefall]

I like the way the game feels, doesn't feel slow at all in my opinion.
Maybe it's because I didn't play smash for a year or more but I remember back when brawl was here. After playing hours of melee and then switching to brawl, the game felt like slow motion. However I don't feel this game is like that.

Yeah this game feels like slow motion to me but it's not a bad game, just not enjoyable in an intense match, matches feel dull, I'm just not feeling hype or satisfaction. I want to like the Game

 

[ReddFloxy]

Yeah this game feels like slow motion to me but it's not a bad game, just not enjoyable in an intense match, matches feel dull, I'm just not feeling hype or satisfaction. I want to like the Game

Take a break from smash (all of them) for a couple of days or a week and then come back to it. When you mix it up with other games it tends to do that sometimes. Treat it like a new fresh experience, don't expect it to be like previous titles (it's simply not)

 

[ミスティック Speed]

The game feels perfectly fine to me. Don't know why some people are still upset, honestly.

 

[Hayzie]

This is the best Smash.

 

[BoomToon]

They claimed they wanted to reach a speed in between Melee and Brawl, and I actually feel like they did it. It isn't as slow and floaty as Brawl, but also not as fast and heavy as Melee. I think they found a great and comfortable midpoint and I'm enjoying it.

Perfectly said. I'm really happy with where the game is now and I personally see a lot of my smash time being dedicated to this game more than the others.

 

[Defeatthefall]

I think it reached a nice balance between meelee speed and brawl speed. That's the best it ever got in my opinion -- fast does not equal good. Maybe crayzier to watch, but not necessarily more fun to play. Maybe the competitive scenario for this game won't be as big as meelee's for that reason, but personally I couldn't care less.

Also, I find it unfair to compare smash speed to the usual fighting game genre's speed, since smash also has plataforming elements in it.

I'm not comparing it lol, smash isn't comparable to any other game, I was just meaning in a sense of the level at which I was let down, street fighter iv is a terrible terrible game but notice I said smash 4 is good, just not adrenaline pumping at its current speed

 

[ZombieBran]

People have different tastes.
You can't make someone like Smash 4, and pretending that it is perfect is a bad way to go about things.

 

[L9L]

Personally I think that speed=better, more exciting Smash is a bit of a fallacy.

That being said, I'm glad it's not any slower. I enjoy the speed it's at.

 

[Defeatthefall]

People have different tastes.
You can't make someone like Smash 4, and pretending that it is perfect is a bad way to go about things.

Well said,I just don't want the "it's new" goggles on. Just trying to see if anyone else felt the same way

 

[Hayzie]

I'm not comparing it lol, smash isn't comparable to any other game, I was just meaning in a sense of the level at which I was let down, street fighter iv is a terrible terrible game but notice I said smash 4 is good, just not adrenaline pumping at its current speed

Street Fighter IV is far from a terrible game. It's actually pretty brilliant (seeing as SF is the best traditional fighter). Perhaps you'd like to play Street Fighter II: The World Warrior's edition on SNES or worst yet Sega Genesis to see what slow is??

At any rate, if it's faster than Brawl and has the most balanced mechanics...... it doesn't get any more fun and addicting than that. The game isn't floaty. There's no tripping and it has the best roster with the bodies of Nana & Popo frozen in ice until further notice. My hype has been extreme. then it died down after the leak, but after the JP release and seeing streams of online matches it seems my hype has been higher than it ever was.

So close. I'm not teary, but my eyes feel tingly just ready for it.

 

[Cpt.]

After watching the japanese tournament that was posted recently I have even less doubts about the game than I did before.
Here's the thread if you're interested.
http://smashboards.com/threads/tournament-videos-from-japan.369641/

Looking at this, the speed is pretty slow compared to Melee and PM, but it doesn't look too slow like Brawl. I think it's moslty the characters. Greninja looks like a PM character, but Rosalina looks more like Brawl.

 

[topspin1617]

Smash 4 certainly isn't perfect. But I honestly don't think the game's speed is an issue at all. I've played the demo a ton and watched many, many matches, and I've never felt that this game is slow. Run speed is fast. Fast-falling is VERY fast. Even the slower characters can move in and out of attack range with ease. In fact, I'd say the speed of Smash 4 is one of my overall favorite things about it, that and the fact that it seems fairly well-balanced for such a large and diverse cast.

Of course you're allowed to have your own opinion, but I really don't see how anyone could think Smash 4 is slow.

Looking at this, the speed is pretty slow compared to Melee and PM, but it doesn't look too slow like Brawl. I think it's moslty the characters. Greninja looks like a PM character, but Rosalina looks more like Brawl.

And characters SHOULD be diverse... not everyone needs to be the Melee-style combo monster. Still, even in someone like Rosalina's case, I don't feel that she's slower than she should be, just slower than others on the roster. Which is fine.

 

[Chocobo Link]

Feels alright to me
http://i.imgur.com/GEkzimh.gif

 

[Defeatthefall]

Street Fighter IV is far from a terrible game. It's actually pretty brilliant (seeing as SF is the best traditional fighter). Perhaps you'd like to play Street Fighter II: The World Warrior's edition on SNES or worst yet Sega Genesis to see what slow is??

At any rate, if it's faster than Brawl and has the most balanced mechanics...... it doesn't get any more fun and addicting than that. The game isn't floaty. There's no tripping and it has the best roster with the bodies of Nana & Popo frozen in ice until further notice. My hype has been extreme. then it died down after the leak, but after the JP release and seeing streams of online matches it seems my hype has been higher than it ever was.

So close. I'm not teary, but my eyes feel tingly just ready for it.

im glad your happy! street fighter iv vanilla Is terrible compared to third strike, just was a step backwards, and just so you know, I think sf ii is terrible as well

 

[Cpt.]

And characters SHOULD be diverse... not everyone needs to be the Melee-style combo monster. Still, even in someone like Rosalina's case, I don't feel that she's slower than she should be, just slower than others on the roster. Which is fine.

I agree. A good mix of character play styles is what makes Smash a good game. I just hope that the differences between attack speeds on characters aren't too different or we could end up getting another Meta Knight. It doesn't look this way so far though, so that is good. As of now I can only judge from what I've seen.

 

[Hayzie]

From one Sheik player to another, what in the.....

Little Mac and Sheik are fast in Smash 4. I wouldn't want the game any faster. Animations, movesets and technique + mindgames make for a more fun experience. Not hectic Melee speed (which is still fun) that you can't take in visually to enjoy.

To each their

 

[ミスティック Speed]

From one Sheik player to another, what in the.....

Little Mac and Sheik are fast in Smash 4. I wouldn't want the game any faster. Animations, movesets and technique + mindgames make for a more fun experience. Not hectic Melee speed (which is still fun) that you can't take in visually to enjoy.

To each their

own...? ^^;

 

[topspin1617]

I agree. A good mix of character play styles is what makes Smash a good game. I just hope that the differences between attack speeds on characters aren't too different or we could end up getting another Meta Knight. It doesn't look this way so far though, so that is good. As of now I can only judge from what I've seen.

I know what you mean, and I agree that it doesn't appear that way. They really seem to have achieved a level of balance in this diverse cast that I didn't think was possible; not perfect balance of course, there's no such thing, but very good balance nonetheless. I've watched fast characters overwhelm slower characters, and I've watched those same slower characters use the tools at their disposal to shut down the speedsters. Seems very dependent on player skill, as it should be.

 

[TryHardOliver]

Yeah I think it feels awesome

 

[BoomToon]

People have different tastes.
You can't make someone like Smash 4, and pretending that it is perfect is a bad way to go about things.

This is an important point.

This all really just comes down to personal preference. There's going to be people who believe it's too slow, too fast, just right, or whatever. I don't think game makers can truly please everyone as we all have such different tastes and that's perfectly fine.
For example, some people enjoy Brawl more than Melee. It's obviously not most accepted idea, but I know some of my friends do and I'm sure theres people here on this site that do as well.

I'm not competitive with smash, although I do love watching competitions. I just truly enjoy the games.

There's no such thing as a perfect game to me. I just like taking each game for what it is.

 

[ZombieBran]

(seeing as SF is the best traditional fighter).

Them some fighting words, son!

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

Looking at this, the speed is pretty slow compared to Melee and PM, but it doesn't look too slow like Brawl. I think it's moslty the characters. Greninja looks like a PM character, but Rosalina looks more like Brawl.

I don't think it'll ever reach Melee speed again. Personally I'm glad, as I like the speed that it is currently at.

 

[Defeatthefall]

Thanks to everyone who commented, the game has a great cast of characters and going to give it a fair shot once it's out

 

[InfiniteTripping]

I played Melee recently to test a copy I was selling and man I forgot the pace that game had. It was really a great engine. In comparison 4 is more of a successor to Brawl than to Melee. I can tell that just by the demo. Tremendous lag on moves, tons of lag in general, it really lacks pace. I'll still buy both versions and love them though. It's Smash.

 

[Renji64]

You asking the wrong place this is brawlboards. The speed isn't too slow it could be a bit faster but at least it is alot faster than brawl.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

SSB4 feels IMO more to the fine-tuned sided than trying to be either "fast" or "slow".

The game feels just great and responsive to play, no matter what. No more input lag or relying on "shadowy" hitboxes.

Why everyone complains about the game's speed over it's playablity is beyond me. Brawl was a mess IMO due how laggy it felt even for movement and approaching. Melee again can get too fast and difficult to get into in higher play.

But in SSB4 I can just go instantly all out on opponents and still keep the momentum going due the increases ground speed making it easier to approach and follow the opponent -and while the air combat might feel still laggy but the new ground speed complements well to it by letting us string or chase better to off-stage or with new attacks.

I think the only downside is the defensive options feelings till rather OP at times, now that dodges seem even more powerful than before.

 

[Hydde]

You asking the wrong place this is brawlboards. The speed isn't too slow it could be a bit faster but at least it is alot faster than brawl.

Why you are so acid?.

Man, im a brawl hater and i cannot cope with your hate.

 

[Renji64]

Why you are so acid?.

Man, im a brawl hater and i cannot cope with your hate.

Then your hate isn't pure. :/

 

[SS-bros14]

I'm fine with the speed. Would be cool if it was faster, but the speed it's at right now is fine IMO.

 

[Scourge The Hedgehog]

My question to you is "are you basing this off of you vs a cpu or you vs another player?" When you play against another person the speed picks up in my opinion. Even from a demo prospective since I play my brother and friends often. Watching tournament game play you'll see the game is quite fast. Then again I'm not sure what you are basing it off.

 

[LinkNIvy]

Smash 4 certainly isn't perfect. But I honestly don't think the game's speed is an issue at all. I've played the demo a ton and watched many, many matches, and I've never felt that this game is slow. Run speed is fast. Fast-falling is VERY fast. Even the slower characters can move in and out of attack range with ease. In fact, I'd say the speed of Smash 4 is one of my overall favorite things about it, that and the fact that it seems fairly well-balanced for such a large and diverse cast.

Of course you're allowed to have your own opinion, but I really don't see how anyone could think Smash 4 is slow.



And characters SHOULD be diverse... not everyone needs to be the Melee-style combo monster. Still, even in someone like Rosalina's case, I don't feel that she's slower than she should be, just slower than others on the roster. Which is fine.

OP might be playing against bots, which can make matches slow. I know I'm bored of them.

 

[UnsuspectingVillager]

It's what Brawl should've been imo.