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Smash Journeyman
Ehh, I'll fix this later, I'm so tired.
I. How to Rest
II. Rest Death Percents
III. When to Rest
IV. Missing a Rest
V. Miscellaneous
I. How to Rest
1) To Rest press Down and the Special Attack button simultaneously. If you don’t do this correctly Jigglypuff may spontaneously combust.
II. Resting Death Percentages
1) It‘s incredibly helpful to know these. I can’t tell you how annoyed I’ve been by thinking im going to kill someone with my rest only for Snake to come right back down. Thanks again Bowyer.
III. When to Rest
1) Dair + Rest: Of course most of us already know this. Resting after a Dair is almost for sure going to land. Short hop into the Dair and immedeatly after the animation is done, Rest. It’s that simple.
2) Nair + Rest: This is another common way to Rest do a reverse Nair into your opponent. It should do minimal knock back and you should be in perfect range to rest.
3) Roll Resting: Just roll into your opponent and rest when the rolling animation ends. Easy.
4) Airdodge into Rest: Charge at your opponent, short hop an air dodge overlapping them, then Rest.
5) Pound to Rest: I don’t really recommend it. It only really does anything to fast fallers and heavier chars at lower percents.
6) Shield Pound Rest: Self explanatory. I personally don’t like this. Just pray for a shield stab I suppose.
7) Side Step Rest: Fun against aggressive opponents. Just wait for a dash attack. Also good to do when people are recovering from the ledge and if people have predictable recoveries just wait for it and Rest.
8) Bair to Rest: Only works at lower percents. Under 30 I think. You can even get 2 Bairs or a Bair and a Nair off on heavier characters from 0% only though.
9) Fair to Rest: Both variations of it work for it but the stronger fair will only work at 0% The weaker one works up to 30ish I think. Not sure I’ll test it again.
10) Utilt, Uair, Rest: This is more of a mini combo. They can DI out of it fairly easy and jump if you decide to wait for them to land into the rest, but if you chase them with the rest instead of letting them hit the ground it might be more effective. I’m sure lighter characters won’t have trouble getting out of this, though.
11) Power Shield, Rest: Run in, power shield, then rest.
12) Dash Attack, Rest: Works at 0% only against DK, Wolf, and Bowser so far. Not Wario Dedede or Ganon. Those are the only ones I’ve tested so far though.
13) F-smash to Rest: So far the same results as the Dash Rest.
14) Poke, Rest: Dtilt then jump in to short hopped rest. The hit stun is surprisingly long enough to pull it off.
15) Grab, Roll to Rest by Glick: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183306
IV. Missing a Rest
1) Don’t.
V. Miscellaneous
1) Rollout Recovery: If you get knocked off the screen and start your falling animation start charging a rollout not all the way though just partially. Let go right before she starts shining. The animations look similar and you could probably trick an opponent once or twice. ( I didn't realize the sound effects is a dead give away. I don't play with the sound, I just listen to music.)
2) Pseudo Pummel Chain: Hmm, I’m not convince this is anything yet. I’m just throwing it out their because something weird happened when I was testing it on a Gannon. I pummeled until he broke free then immediately withoutmoving I was able to grab him again. It felt kind of like I was doing Dedede’s infinite grab. I've replicated it once. So, once on Ganon and once on Sonic. It probably had ridiculous timing. Or it was just probably a glitch but other than that she can dash forward pretty quickly and grab them again to pummel. It could possibly be chain. I doubt it though. I’ll test later today.
3) Footstool Double Jab Lock: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=184095
I’ve been watching a bunch of Jigglypuff videos, lately, and I keep seeing so many missed opportunities where people could have Rested. I’m going to try to stop that with this. It’s as in-depth as I get so bare with me. Also, it’s so I can have a thread where I can post random techniques I find useful
I. How to Rest
II. Rest Death Percents
III. When to Rest
IV. Missing a Rest
V. Miscellaneous
I. How to Rest
1) To Rest press Down and the Special Attack button simultaneously. If you don’t do this correctly Jigglypuff may spontaneously combust.
II. Resting Death Percentages
1) It‘s incredibly helpful to know these. I can’t tell you how annoyed I’ve been by thinking im going to kill someone with my rest only for Snake to come right back down. Thanks again Bowyer.
So I figured out all the percents that people live until with DI listed them in order from dieing first to last:
Edit: I compared the %'s to dieing without DI and it basically shows which characters live longer when they use attacks over air dodging. ie. The +5's are basically equally effected by air dodges and attacks.
Neutral Stages:
Jiggs 57% +5
Metaknight 64% +5
Sheik 64% +5
Zelda 65% +5
Fox 65% +7
Peach 66% +5
Olimar 67% +5
ZSamus 69% +8
GW 69% +12
Y. Link 70% +5
Lucas 70% +5
Squirtle 70% +16
Falco 70% +5
Kirby 71% +12
Diddy 71% +5
Luigi 72% +5
Pit 73% +5
Lucario 73% +5
Rob 75% +5
Yoshi 77% +6
Sonic 77% +9
Charizard 78% +6
Wario 78% +6
Wolf 79% +6
Samus 80% +11
Mario 81% +14
Marth 81% +14
Bowser 81% +6
Pika 83% +21
Ivysaur 85% +15
IC's 86% +23
C. Falcon 88% +9
DDD 93% +6
Ganon 94% +18
Ike 97% +20
Link 98% +23
DK 100% +20
Snake 103% +20
Green Greens:
Olimar-51%
GW-51%
MK-61%
Bowser-71%
Snake-76%
DDD-80%
*Note 1: I compared the %'s to dieing without DI and it basically shows which characters live longer when they use attacks over air dodging. ie. The +5's are basically equally effected by air dodges and attacks.
*Note 2: Air dodging made the difference about 0-1% of the death percent, an attack is most likely always better to use when you get set back hard enough to die.
*Note 3: Heavier characters do not always die last over the top. There are many other factors such as falling speed, nature of the move used (not all moves cut momentum equally), differences in ability to DI (I don't know if this exist), and other things I don't know about.
*Note 4: While I tested these percents multiple times and such, there is still some possibility of error. There may be a better move to cancel out momentum with any given rested character, and its possible that my timings were off. As far as the timings go, the difference between starting a dair a couple frames apart could mean the difference between ganon dieing at 85% or living at 93%. Generally the hit stun finishes when they are close to the top of the screen but I couldn't tell an exact time when the hit stun wore out so I just mashed an attack over and over again and sometimes the move came out a couple frames sooner than other times. If someone finds out that a character can live longer than what I posted, please mention it.
III. When to Rest
1) Dair + Rest: Of course most of us already know this. Resting after a Dair is almost for sure going to land. Short hop into the Dair and immedeatly after the animation is done, Rest. It’s that simple.
2) Nair + Rest: This is another common way to Rest do a reverse Nair into your opponent. It should do minimal knock back and you should be in perfect range to rest.
3) Roll Resting: Just roll into your opponent and rest when the rolling animation ends. Easy.
4) Airdodge into Rest: Charge at your opponent, short hop an air dodge overlapping them, then Rest.
5) Pound to Rest: I don’t really recommend it. It only really does anything to fast fallers and heavier chars at lower percents.
6) Shield Pound Rest: Self explanatory. I personally don’t like this. Just pray for a shield stab I suppose.
7) Side Step Rest: Fun against aggressive opponents. Just wait for a dash attack. Also good to do when people are recovering from the ledge and if people have predictable recoveries just wait for it and Rest.
8) Bair to Rest: Only works at lower percents. Under 30 I think. You can even get 2 Bairs or a Bair and a Nair off on heavier characters from 0% only though.
9) Fair to Rest: Both variations of it work for it but the stronger fair will only work at 0% The weaker one works up to 30ish I think. Not sure I’ll test it again.
10) Utilt, Uair, Rest: This is more of a mini combo. They can DI out of it fairly easy and jump if you decide to wait for them to land into the rest, but if you chase them with the rest instead of letting them hit the ground it might be more effective. I’m sure lighter characters won’t have trouble getting out of this, though.
11) Power Shield, Rest: Run in, power shield, then rest.
12) Dash Attack, Rest: Works at 0% only against DK, Wolf, and Bowser so far. Not Wario Dedede or Ganon. Those are the only ones I’ve tested so far though.
13) F-smash to Rest: So far the same results as the Dash Rest.
14) Poke, Rest: Dtilt then jump in to short hopped rest. The hit stun is surprisingly long enough to pull it off.
15) Grab, Roll to Rest by Glick: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183306
16)There's also that Grab, Pummel, Pummel, Release, Roll Towards Opponent, Rest. This was found and tested by Glick.
There's also Crouch to Rest. Works well on Ganondorf when you are right next to him. By crouching, you can literally avoid Ganondorf's NeutralA and ftilt (there's more attacks you can duck under, but these are the main two). Just Rest him during the ending lag of those moves.
Also, I find it very easy to rest some character's dash attacks (if you sheild it). It works really well on Luigi.
IV. Missing a Rest
1) Don’t.
V. Miscellaneous
1) Rollout Recovery: If you get knocked off the screen and start your falling animation start charging a rollout not all the way though just partially. Let go right before she starts shining. The animations look similar and you could probably trick an opponent once or twice. ( I didn't realize the sound effects is a dead give away. I don't play with the sound, I just listen to music.)
2) Pseudo Pummel Chain: Hmm, I’m not convince this is anything yet. I’m just throwing it out their because something weird happened when I was testing it on a Gannon. I pummeled until he broke free then immediately withoutmoving I was able to grab him again. It felt kind of like I was doing Dedede’s infinite grab. I've replicated it once. So, once on Ganon and once on Sonic. It probably had ridiculous timing. Or it was just probably a glitch but other than that she can dash forward pretty quickly and grab them again to pummel. It could possibly be chain. I doubt it though. I’ll test later today.
3) Footstool Double Jab Lock: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=184095
If anyone has any other interesting techs they use or different rest setups they want to share I’d gladly add them to the list with credit to them of course.