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It was technically a Super Mushroom hat -- the colors are inverted. Red background, white spots. I guess it resembled his small form, though. That's a stretch though.
Oh, that clears my memory up a bit then.
Or even better, with his Toad Brigade alts!Oh, that clears my memory up a bit then.
Well, I can only hope we come to a day where Captain Toad being confirmed, one of the screenshots is him posing with plenty of those Toad Miis.
That'd be kind of easy to do, I suppose? IDK if to bank on it to happen too much though, but still.
It'd only require changing the colors and adding an accessory or two (like the blue member's glasses). The backpack would be kept, since it'd most likely be inkorporated into attacks.
I found some palette swap pictures (these aren't probably going to happen, but they look cool):
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Added; welcome to the brigade! Always pleased to see new members.Sign me up for the supporters list, Captain Toad Treasure Tracker was a BLAST for me and I'd love him in smash
moving swiftly alongI don't know what to say about this, except that it's funny:
Welcome to the Toad brigade, and welcome to Smashboards!
Captain Toad has awful mobility, ground speed, jumps, and air speed, but can get around by "building" structures. By "building," I mean "having a Treasure-Tracker-Slash-3D-World-Wii-U-Gamepad-Interaction-Hand make stuff for him." "Building" just sounds a lot catchier. Anyway, Captain Toad doesn't expect it (but the player does ofc), but he works around it and uses the structures to the best of his ability. It's kinda like
- Neutral Special is the Super Pickaxe, a slow but powerful move that can also destroy structures.
- Side Special is the Minecart, where the hand picks up the Captain and drops him in a minecart (which appears in a puff of smoke and confetti), and then pushes the cart forwards. Stood on like a platform, and thus great for approaching with various attacks. The minecart itself doesn't deal damage, and only one can be out at a time.
- Up Special is the Propeller Platform. Created above him on the ground or below him in the air, and only one can be out at once. Using the move again causes the propeller to spin, making the platform ascend. This has a limit, and otherwise, the platform slowly descends, more quickly so if it falls far enough below the stage. It goes away upon touching the ground, and can't be used again after Captain Toad jumps off, until he lands on solid ground.
- Down Special is the Turnip Cannon, which consistently fires turnips that can damage both foes and Captain Toad himself. The rate of fire is one per second, there can be one cannon out at a time, and it can be aimed. The cannon can be made on either of the aforementioned structures, allowing for a variety of options. If the cannon's platform is destroyed, it'll fall.
- Jab is a rapid coin sprout pluck.
- Multiple standards involve swinging the backpack, and up tilt and aerial have a Potted Piranha Plant come out of his backpack.
- Down Tilt has a Brick Block fall out of his backpack and land behind him. Cannons can be placed on top of them, minecarts will bounce off of them and change direction but break the block in the process like a Koopa shell from the Mario series, and the blocks can be destroyed by attacks. They also deal a potent meteor smash if dropped off of a ledge.
- Forward Smash has him pluck a turnip and throw it, and it grows in size with charge.
- Up Smash is a bouncy mushroom pad, which bounces him up a great distance, allowing for vertical follow-ups.
- Down Smash is the backpack spin easter egg from Treasure Tracker.
- Grab has the hand pull out a clear pipe from the ground to trap opponents (in the air, it's a grappling hook that aids recovery). Pummel has Fuzzies come through the pipe to damage opponents, up and back throws have the pipe turn into a cannon, down throw slams the pipe against the ground after it extends, and forward throw is a Piranha Plant.
- Final Smash is the Starshroom. The Toad Brigade members dangle below it, with the bottom one wielding a souped-up turnip cannon. These turnips are explode-y turnips. Cool, eh?
- Captain Toadette alt, as well as alts for the four other Toad Brigade members.
Captain Toad never plays sports, though. It's out of character.
He hunts for treasure. So as long as he takes a sports item out of his backpack, I think it works.
Last I checked, he never found a golf club while he was out exploring in Treasure Tracker.
I understand what you are saying, but I disagree.
's moveset is great, it has a lot of representative value because it references games other than Duck Hunt.
Toad's significance to Nintendo's history is irrelevant to Captain Toad, though. Captain Toad's moves only representing one game for the most part wouldn't be that much of a letdown, since he only has one game to draw much from.
Yes, but Duck Hunt needed that. There isn't a lot of stuff in Duck Hunt to make a moveset out of, so they made the character represent the Light Gun as a whole, which is fine... for Duck Hunt. Captain Toad doesn't need to draw from games he isn't in, as he's got more than enough stuff from Treasure Tracker to make a unique, interesting moveset out of by itself. You're making Captain Toad represent the Toads as a whole, but he doesn't need to. It's unnecessary, and it'd be better if it didn't, both for being in-character and for fully exploring the concepts that Treasure Tracker presents rather than slapping together a bunch of Toad-related stuff and calling it a day.
But the same character isn't in all of those games. It's out of character for Captain Toad to use sports equipment and other things, and it's out of character for "The" Toad to use Captain Toad's equipment. Saying that "they're both Toads, so they can both use the same things" is like saying that Luigi gets F.L.U.D.D. because Mario and Luigi are both humans. That's just being Toadist.
Captain Toad is only a good choice in light of the idea that he can stand in for Toad proper.Toad's significance to Nintendo's history is irrelevant to Captain Toad, though. Captain Toad's moves only representing one game for the most part wouldn't be that much of a letdown, since he only has one game to draw much from.
Yes, but Duck Hunt needed that. There isn't a lot of stuff in Duck Hunt to make a moveset out of, so they made the character represent the Light Gun as a whole, which is fine... for Duck Hunt. Captain Toad doesn't need to draw from games he isn't in, as he's got more than enough stuff from Treasure Tracker to make a unique, interesting moveset out of by itself. You're making Captain Toad represent the Toads as a whole, but he doesn't need to. It's unnecessary, and it'd be better if it didn't, both for being in-character and for fully exploring the concepts that Treasure Tracker presents rather than slapping together a bunch of Toad-related stuff and calling it a day.
But the same character isn't in all of those games. It's out of character for Captain Toad to use sports equipment and other things, and it's out of character for "The" Toad to use Captain Toad's equipment. Saying that "they're both Toads, so they can both use the same things" is like saying that Luigi gets F.L.U.D.D. because Mario and Luigi are both humans. That's just being Toadist.
So Ness, Lucas, Robin, Lucina, Dark Pit, Shulk, and (gasp) Duck Hunt Dog are poor choices, then?
Yes, because again, Duck Hunt needs that to make an interesting, unique, standout moveset (from what I've seen, anyways). Captain Toad does not. He has more than enough stuff to make an entire, unique moveset around.
Yes, it is. If you're making a moveset for a character, then the character is of the utmost importance. If you're not, then you fall into the multiple traps I described earlier. Being the successor to someone doesn't make them the same character; Donkey Kong doesn't do the same stuff as Cranky Kong. Also, I don't see Captain Toad replacing Toad in Mario Kart anytime soon. He's a separate character, with a separate role, separate abilities, separate disabilities, separate personality, and a separate place in the franchise. The only similarity that Captain Toad has with "The" Toad is in species and basic appearance (which basically comes with the species, as all Toads look essentially the same). That's it.
The Villager is most certainly important in-universe; he's the mayor of the entire town of Smashville!
But the thing is, Captain Toad has been identified as a character completely separate from any other Toad in the series.They're the same species, but that doesn't mean that you should just lump them together in Smash Brothers. Saying that a moveset should represent all Toads is like making a Sonic moveset that also has Silver's TK, Amy's hammer, and Shadow's jet boots (I would say Chaos Control, but Sonic can do that too apparently
) so that it can represent all the hedgehogs in the series. Sonic doesn't use TK, or a hammer, or jet boots, and Captain Toad doesn't use item chests, bombs, and propeller helmets. It's out of character, is incoherent, and doesn't really make any sense. (And it's also Toadist.)
Captain Toad can use power-ups. Chest, bombs, and propeller helmets exist in the Mario Universe. Captain Toad would be able to use them.
Yes, but that's not a part of his character. That's like saying that since hookshots exist in the Zelda series, Ganon should use them when they finally give him an actual moveset. Ganon never used the hookshot, and Captain Toad never used chests, bombs, and propeller helmets. Using stuff from the series in general is fine, don't get me wrong, but if there's unique potential for a character, that should be prioritized far above generic stuff that any other character from the game can do.
), I felt it was worth bringing up.
I pass off the 3D World trailer as a beta element (and thus non-canon), and the Toadette argument as Toadette just being a generic female toad with the Captain version being a specific character (like Captain Toad to the Toad species), but I do agree that it's a pretty messy subject overall. Toads are genderless, Captain Toad simultaneously is and isn't "The" Toad depending on which Nintendo official you ask, Miyamoto is Bowser Jr.'s mom, the Piantas can't tell a silhouette of Mario from the real deal when he just arrived on the island, Bowser recently abandoned the Koopalings as his children, and babies time travel to the future on a regular basis for go-kart races. Mario canon, everyone. Anyway. In situations like this, I think it's best to stick to what we know: Captain Toad does stuff that Captain Toad can do. Anything else is unknown, so better safe than sorry.Thinking about it more I would actually be fine with a 100% Captain Toad based moveset, especially in light of the fact that the whole Captain Toad identity subject is umbeliavably messy.
The thing is I still think that "The" Toad and Captain Toad being the same Individual makes the most sense, the Galaxys have artwork of him, even thought he wouldn't even be in either game if he wasn't the Captain, this was his life icon in the first 3D World trailer:
,Treasure Tracker went out of it's way to add Toadette as his Partner, something that was only ever associated with "The" Toad and Mario Maker outright states them to be the same dude.
At the end of the day I blame the lack of clear direction of the Mario cast for all the uncertainty regarding who Captain Toad is, Mario games go through dozens of teams sich their visions, which sometimes tend to clash, Modern Donkey Kong has been refered to as Arcade DK on more then one occasion and the Mario VS DK series even assigned him as the designated Pauline kidnapper, Captain Toad is in a similar position, the fact that we have one Interview and one (much later released) games make such strongly contradicting claims from eachother proves that there is no direction.
Ganondorf is a bad example because he does not use many moves from his actual game. Zelda uses special moves (at least variations of) that only Link uses. But this fits Zelda, because she has the Triforce of Wisdom and magic complements that theme. So Smash has done this before.
On the subject of your moveset, to be honest, I'm not a huge fan. Firstly, sets should have more than just specials, otherwise they're just concepts rather than actual movesets. Which is fine depending on what you want to do, but seeing as how you posted the set to Make Your Move (and in the previous contest, at that
As for what is here, the system you have in place here is pretty tacky. For one, many of the secondary functions don't really fit the item, and some of them could be implemented if each item was just activated when you pressed the button like any other special move (the propeller hat, for example, could cause him to ascend right when you press up special, but pressing it again would cause it to fly off and act as an upwards projectile). Also, it makes doing these moves a lot slower than they need to be, and isn't really necessary to begin with. Don't change the inputs for the sake of being "unique;" that should come with what the inputs do. The exception comes when there's a good reason to change the inputs up. Ryu does it as an homage to Street Fighter. Captain Toad does it because... I guess he holds stuff above his head in his game...?
That's irrelevant to the matter. We're speaking hypothetically here. If Ganon had the hookshot, it'd be out of character. If Captain Toad used power-ups he's never used before, it'd be out of character.
It goes a bit deeper than that, actually. Zelda is the descendent of the goddess Hylia, and Din's Fire, Farore's Wind, and Nayru's Love are all associated directly with goddesses in Ocarina of Time. Thus, it makes sense that the descendant of a goddess would be the one to use these attacks. Subtle characterization at its finest.
Yes, but Captain Toad doesn't. Captain Toad is literally the worst choice for someone to use these power-ups (okay, it's more like a six-million-way tie), since he's never used them before.
Happens to all of us.
Or, we could do something that's actually in-character and reflective of something that Captain Toad's actually done before, such as this:
Captain Toad has awful mobility, ground speed, jumps, and air speed, but can get around by "building" structures. By "building," I mean "having a Treasure-Tracker-Slash-3D-World-Wii-U-Gamepad-Interaction-Hand make stuff for him." "Building" just sounds a lot catchier. Anyway, Captain Toad doesn't expect it (but the player does ofc), but he works around it and uses the structures to the best of his ability. It's kinda like
The idea behind the "building structures" concept is that, since Captain Toad uses the environment to traverse in Treasure Tracker due to his poor mobility, he'd also do that in Smash, but he'd make the environment instead. It's made in-character via the gamepad glove, which is also a large part of Treasure Tracker, and as a bonus, it lets him showcase his helplessness and cowardice while still actually doing stuff -- the dodging animation, for inkstance, would have him cower in fear and cover his eyes while the glove lifts him in either direction. In-character, unique from a gameplay perspective, and faithful to the source material.
Ness and Lucas use powers in Smash that they do not use in game. Other party members use them. Thus, Smash has already broken this barrier.
Link and Peach do this with their Down B moves. The moves are still effective and have only one use. Captain Toad would have two. Plus he can move toward the opponent with a held item which creates pressure.
Nice... so the Mushroom Retainers call THE Toad "Captain"... with the capital "C"....Fair enough, thought I'd take the interview with a grain of salt after this:
Ness and Lucas use PSI moves, and they appeared in the same games as the moves they used in Smash. So, it makes enough sense for them to have these powers. Captain Toad isn't even in the same game as most of these power-ups. (Counting the Captain Toad minigame in 3D World as a separate game, since Mario and the Captain don't really interact in any way sans the credits, whereas Ness and Lucas do interact with their party members.)
The thing about the turnips and bombs is that no, they aren't restricted to only one option. Yes, the items only have one use -- being thrown -- but that can be done in four directions, and plus, the Links can drop theirs on the ground to act as timebombs. Unlike Captain Toad, they also have access to their specials, as well as full mobility, thus making the items more useful for comboing and such. Yes, of course the bombs and turnips do take away some options from Peach and the Links, but they also retain a lot of them and, furthermore, have quite a few uses on their own. Captain Toad's specials, on the other hand, give him a handicap; he can only do two things while he's holding any given item. And even then, the options don't seem nearly powerful enough to make up for that, especially when you can only have one thing onscreen at a time.
Not only that, they also released a Trasure Tracker + Toad amiibo bundle:Nice... so the Mushroom Retainers call THE Toad "Captain"... with the capital "C"....
So... according to Word of God, THE Toad and Captain Toad are two different characters... yet the games still imply they are the same person... Sunshine, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, 3D World, Treasure Tracker, and now Mario Maker... even THE Toad amiibo is compatible with Treasure Tracker.
Well, you know what they say... actions speak louder than words...
