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I hear ya. I'm an IC supporter on the edge right now. Once again, the font is off on the trophy description, so there's hope that it's fake. And plus, if it is fake, it doesn't necessarily mean SK is deconfirmed either, so I'm rooting for the creator to come out soon.
A good way to see if this is real is to check the official Amiibo website and see if the trophy has any resemblance to his Amiibo description.
Not really. Considering the Mario series amiibo and their Smash series counterparts are different. So a Smash series Shovel Knight amiibo would have a different pose from the existing one.
Actually, I was talking about the description, not the pose. XD
Well then it looks like you cracked the case, eh wot?Oh.
Yeah you're right.
EDIT: confirmed fake by the model creator.
https://twitter.com/NibrocRock/status/646154611695325184
*laugh track*Well then it looks like you cracked the case, eh wot?
Confirmed fake actually.
You know someone with pretty good skill in modeling and the imagination to capture the imaginations of others with a bit of a mischievous streak to play a prank on the internet that didn't last for over a day or so.
The "leaker" wasn't the same as the person who made the character model, though.
I don't recall Arle Nadja even being a blip on the radar in the west. I don't see King K. Rool or Isaac either. If this turns out to be true I will be extremely disappointed with this DLC save Bandana Dee. Why did he chose the characters he did? Arle Nadja isn't even that highly requested in Japan.
BluePikmin11
:Shovel Knight is #10 in the rankings.
Yeah, King K. Rool and Isaac not being there is....odd, to say the least. I should tell you though while Arle isn't really much of a blip in the West, you, uh....you might want to check those Japan results again for Arle. Apparently, she, alongside Geno, Banjo and Kazooie, and Jibanyan are THE most requested 3rd parties. In Arle's case, it helps that her series sells like hotcakes in Japan. If anything, she's supposedly doing even better (just barely) than Sonic over there.
Yeah I just don't see it. Wolf makes sense, but the rest are really iffy to me.
I see one heck of an advertising strategy... That's most likely why the ballot exists. Not once has Nintendo said there would even be a winner. They could pack up and just say nothing when they release the next character if they wanted to, they're under no obligation to pander to fanbase assumptions.
If Nintendo opens a ballot and then completely disregards the results, that'll only get them bad rep. Besides, Sakurai-San has said that from here on out, it's "purely fan service" or something along those lines in an interview, implying that he'll be going off of what the fans want. Hence, the fighter ballot.
Firstly, that's not at all what you were saying, and what I was saying was unreasonable.
You could quote/tag me if you wanted an answer you know? This http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/08/26/the-end-of-the-pre-ballot-content/ article may clear up some of the confusion on the Isaac statement. Pretty much what I'm saying is, his model can be very close to FE characters and as such, many animations can be borrowed.
Please no. If SK was to make it in, he'd have enough moves to easily fill out his kit, PLUS customs. If we're going to do a character like the one you suggested, might as well be Commander Video or Meatboy who don't have a ton of actual moves of there own.
If Nintendo gives us a character and claims they were from the ballot, how will we know they won or not?
Meh. I'm tired of lazily made characters.
Dude what? Borrowing hurt animations, something that no one really notices in the first place, doesn't make a character lazily made. Even borrowing attacks isn't lazy if enough tweaks are made (seriously Mario, Luigi, C. Falcon, ZSS, Kirby, Pac-Man, Ganondorf, and Dr. Mario all have the same basic uair, but they're all tweaked to make them different from one another) to make them work differently. It's just time/cost efficient to do things this way, almost ALL characters share some type of similarity with one another for this very reason. In fact, I can't think of any character that doesn't share something (base model, animations, attacks) with another character. If it was done any other way, we'd probably still be stuck at 20-30 characters.
I dunno, maybe because Nintendo is a rather honest company that wouldn't lie or deceive it's consumers?
Context is key here:
(translation by Source Gaming)Sakurai said:
Which ones? I don't see any.
I beg to differ. While some of the items may admittedly cover ground already treaded by other Smash characters, I feel that they're not even needed. A shovel does have quite a bit of unique potential compared to a sword. The most obvious application is in digging. Digging could be interpreted in quite a few ways; for example, burying opponents or digging up treasure like he does in his game. Heck, why not hoist up boulders by digging them up for an anti-air option?
Issac wouldn't be easy to make if he only took a handful on animations... I was under the assumption he'd be cobbed together like Mii Swordfighter and Roy were.
I'm sorry, "this is the fighter we picked from the ballot." Easy, no lies at all.I dunno, maybe because Nintendo is a rather honest company that wouldn't lie or deceive it's consumers?
Context is key here:
(translation by Source Gaming)
He talks about the bracket and demand for characters, then mentions fan service right after. This implies that by "fan service," Sakurai-San means demand for fighters, which is measured by the ballot.
Also, you'll have to provide evidence to back up your claim.
Which ones? I don't see any.
I beg to differ. While some of the items may admittedly cover ground already treaded by other Smash characters, I feel that they're not even needed. A shovel does have quite a bit of unique potential compared to a sword. The most obvious application is in digging. Digging could be interpreted in quite a few ways; for example, burying opponents or digging up treasure like he does in his game. Heck, why not hoist up boulders by digging them up for an anti-air option?
The DuckTales-esque pogo bounce maneuver could also lend itself to unique gameplay. While yes, Link does have that as a dair too, Shovel Knight could focus on it. Perhaps bouncing sends the opponent upwards for Shovel Knight to follow up with an aerial, or can extend the time opponents are buried for.
Here's another mechanic that's a bit more out there. Remember that gem-digging move I mentioned earlier? Well, those wouldn't just function like ordinary projectiles. Once they land, Shovel Knight could pick them up and add them to his gem stash, like in his game. They'd have a use, of course. You know how in Shovel Knight, when you die, you lose your gem stash and these gem bags float around where you died? In Smash, he could make these at will at the cost of some gems. Then he could use them in various ways -- bounce opponents off of them for combos, bounce off of them with the pogo maneuver for recovery, knock them into opponents, et cetera.
After that, the standards are rather easy to fill out while still retaining unique behavior. Rather than going into detail here, I'll direct you to a post I made rather recently that goes in-depth regarding the concepts I discussed here as well as fleshing out the rest of his moveset.
So yeah, I'd say he has moveset potential.
My original point is putting his model together would be much easier. That's it. Reason why he's more likely than K.Rool or any character that has a very unique body shape. Isaac does not, and that helps his case, which is why I said he's highly likely to be in, and nothing else.
If it helps, he can also make rocks rise from the ground too.
The character model is the easiest part of development. Its an awful comparison. The model isn't what makes a character difficult, its the moveset itself and balancing. People can create models incredibly easily, let alone a massive company like Nintendo.
Ease was poor word choice, but it is quicker and cheaper yes(?), making it all the more likely, at least in comparison to a character that has nothing to work off of.
If Nintendo made a ballot to let fans decide the next Smash character and then chose one that got very few votes instead of the more voted for ones, that counts as deceptive in my book. Unless all the top picks happened to be Goku, Shrek, etc, which I seriously doubt.
I don't see that example I asked for. I will pay no heed to unsubstantiated claims.
Correct, which is why I listed more than animations.
The boulder was more to demonstrate the unique potential of a shovel from an aesthetics standpoint. It could have some neat quirks to it though, such as the boulder growing if you charge the move and thus dealing more damage, but being slower too (as I touched on in my post).
Actually, it would function quite differently. It's more along the lines of Link's; rather than a stall-then-fall, this simply creates a hitbox below Shovel Knight for as long as the button is held. Furthermore, the attack would be much quicker than Link's as you can exit out of it at any time by simply releasing the button, giving it much more comboing utility and making it an overall safer option.
How so? If you read my post that I linked to previously (which I don't get the impression that you have), Shovel Knight does retain movement during the bounce, but since his opponent can DI, he has to react and move in the same direction.
Yes, because the Villager only uses it for one move, and for its basic function. Shovel Knight, naturally, would use it for multiple purposes.
How so? It's only redundant if another character shares this purpose. Burying isn't exactly the main focus of the moveset I presented, though. It's a useful tool that comes up in a couple of moves and ties into the rest of the moveset well, but it's not the main focus.
...with a unique mechanic tied to them, yes. They have a different place in the playstyle than Chef does -- since Shovel Knight needs to collect the gems off of the ground, the move serves to clear the way for Shovel Knight to run over and collect them, possibly with his Side Special or something. Shovel Knight can't just camp with gems all day, since to make good use of the move, he'll need to charge into the front lines himself.
How so?
I don't see how it'd be "nearly impossible to use." Care to elaborate?
Fair enough, I was under the impression that characters that borrow animations and other stuff were always more likely due to cost and time factors, but if it's not a big deal so be it. I still think he's a likely choice, as he has yet to get the dreaded mii costume, he's still very very popular, and he has a great move set to work with.
If Ryu shares his pain animation with Shulk, why couldn't Isaac share some animations with other characters?