Shotokan Dojo - Ryu Social Thread

[SevenYearItch]

I think I'm really feeling it...

A D U L T B O Y S ? !
A B R O A D?!

A D U L T B O Y S dubs wins? Yeeeeep

 

[Sixfortyfive]

I was gathering info for my guide yesterday and I decided to test shield damage for the focus tier 2. Since it is known that tier 3 ignores shields (it doesn't break them, just ignore them) I wanted to see if tier 2 had some effect on the shield. So I tested it on a fresh shield (mario) and it almost almost broke it. Seems to be as powerful on shields as Marth's shield breaker, which is good if you ask me.

Makes me wonder how viable/punishable "LV2 Focus > FADC backward" is on block.

 

[Luggy]

So, I played Ryu for quite a bit now, and even if I know he's going to be top tier with ease, I can still say for sure he has 3 weaknesses :

• Ryu doesn't have any fast attack to hit behind him. This means that you're pretty safe if you're behind him. It can be annoying at times when you have to face a fast character that can go behind your back for a grab or a good punish. The only attack that can potentially counter this weakness is the Tatsumaki (SideB), but you have to be lucky or read the opponent well.

• He has an okay, but repetitive and punishable recovery. It was pretty clear since the beginning with his trailer. He struggles a bit at grabing the ledge fast. The shoryuken (UpB) takes time to snap on the ledge, and you'll often get punished if you don't snap on it. The tatsumaki (SideB) can be predictable, thus punishable. Honnestly, Ryu's recovery is okay, but not the best. He struggles a lot if he wants to go back on the stage, that's all.

• While having great damages, he doesn't have a lot of kill power if you don't use the Street Fighter commands and combos. Sure, he deals damages pretty fast, but he can struggle at times to get the kill. Sometimes, the opponent can be at 150%, while you're at 20% but can't do crap because you don't find an opening or you struggle getting the Street Fighter command. It's maybe just me, but for beginners, it's a weakness for the character.

I'm probably a on this one, or an idiot, but that's all I have to say for Ryu. He's a great character to play though, super fun to play and to watch.

 

[ShinnyMetal]

I was gathering info for my guide yesterday and I decided to test shield damage for the focus tier 2. Since it is known that tier 3 ignores shields (it doesn't break them, just ignore them) I wanted to see if tier 2 had some effect on the shield. So I tested it on a fresh shield (mario) and it almost almost broke it. Seems to be as powerful on shields as Marth's shield breaker, which is good if you ask me.

Yeah I noticed that while playing my friends. I haven't broke any shields but I've gotten damned close. But I didn't know that tee full one ignores shields. That's pretty dang cool.

Makes me wonder how viable/punishable "LV2 Focus > FADC backward" is on block.

Probably great if you're able to keep up the shield pressure. I wonder how bad the shieldstun from a lvl 2 FA is

 

[Ryu_Ken]

So, I played Ryu for quite a bit now, and even if I know he's going to be top tier with ease, I can still say for sure he has 3 weaknesses :

• Ryu doesn't have any fast attack to hit behind him. This means that you're pretty safe if you're behind him. It can be annoying at times when you have to face a fast character that can go behind your back for a grab or a good punish. The only attack that can potentially counter this weakness is the Tatsumaki (SideB), but you have to be lucky or read the opponent well.

• He has an okay, but repetitive and punishable recovery. It was pretty clear since the beginning with his trailer. He struggles a bit at grabing the ledge fast. The shoryuken (UpB) takes time to snap on the ledge, and you'll often get punished if you don't snap on it. The tatsumaki (SideB) can be predictable, thus punishable. Honnestly, Ryu's recovery is okay, but not the best. He struggles a lot if he wants to go back on the stage, that's all.

• While having great damages, he doesn't have a lot of kill power if you don't use the Street Fighter commands and combos. Sure, he deals damages pretty fast, but he can struggle at times to get the kill. Sometimes, the opponent can be at 150%, while you're at 20% but can't do crap because you don't find an opening or you struggle getting the Street Fighter command. It's maybe just me, but for beginners, it's a weakness for the character.

I'm probably a on this one, or an idiot, but that's all I have to say for Ryu. He's a great character to play though, super fun to play and to watch.

The most obvious weakness Ryu has is not being as brain-dead as the other top tiers (thus why his learning curve is very steep). Playing him well requires mastery of his button inputs and neutral as well as his MUs. Ryu's fun to play with once you figure out those annoying inputs, but you're gonna have to be prepared to spend a lot of time on this guy if you want to get awesome results (though I don't think you'll have to put 250+ hours into him like in SF4 ).

 

[Elessar]

So, I played Ryu for quite a bit now, and even if I know he's going to be top tier with ease, I can still say for sure he has 3 weaknesses :

• Ryu doesn't have any fast attack to hit behind him. This means that you're pretty safe if you're behind him. It can be annoying at times when you have to face a fast character that can go behind your back for a grab or a good punish. The only attack that can potentially counter this weakness is the Tatsumaki (SideB), but you have to be lucky or read the opponent well.

• He has an okay, but repetitive and punishable recovery. It was pretty clear since the beginning with his trailer. He struggles a bit at grabing the ledge fast. The shoryuken (UpB) takes time to snap on the ledge, and you'll often get punished if you don't snap on it. The tatsumaki (SideB) can be predictable, thus punishable. Honnestly, Ryu's recovery is okay, but not the best. He struggles a lot if he wants to go back on the stage, that's all.

• While having great damages, he doesn't have a lot of kill power if you don't use the Street Fighter commands and combos. Sure, he deals damages pretty fast, but he can struggle at times to get the kill. Sometimes, the opponent can be at 150%, while you're at 20% but can't do crap because you don't find an opening or you struggle getting the Street Fighter command. It's maybe just me, but for beginners, it's a weakness for the character.

I'm probably a on this one, or an idiot, but that's all I have to say for Ryu. He's a great character to play though, super fun to play and to watch.

As for a predictable recovery, if you do a real. DP you get super armor, so they can't gimp you that easily. Then considering that you can cover your recovery with a hadouken (which stops your momentum), use a tastu to approach the Ledge relatively safely, use a FADC to change your momentum and tank off stage attacks, his recovery isn't as bad as it may seem at first. Granted, it's still not the best, but it's not as bad as it seems.

Also about killing. Ryu actually has a lot of killing potential, you just have to play it right. These are the ko thresholds I have found (everything was tested on Mario in FD in multi-player, so rage effect does not factor in nor does DI, but it's as close as possible to what you would encounter in a real match):

Hold Jab: 158% from mid FD, 138% from Ledge.
Fsmash: charged - 75% from mid FD, 50% from ledge. Uncharged - 100% mid FD, 80% Ledge.
Hold utilt: 150%
Usmash: charged - 75%, uncharged - 120%
Fair: 175% from mid FD.
Bair: 145% from mid FD.
Dair: spike effect kicks in at 55%
Uair: 160% from a height of FH
Dthrow: only kills with rage effect on from 155% approx.
Hold Tatsu: 155% from mid FD
Hold real Tatsu: 145% from mid FD
Tap DP: 145%
Hold DP: 100%
Tap real DP: 125%
Hold real DP: 85%

Considering that his tap utilt can true combo into a grab or usmash until 100%, and his tap dtilt until 150% killing with Ryu becomes really easy once you get into the SF mindset of hit confirms. Don't go for a big hit, always hit confirm and think of combos and chip damage and you should kill opponents a lot easier.

I just spilled the beans on a part of my guide btw. Hope this doesn't spoil it for you guys.

Want to fly a Canadian out for some fun that month? I'll take a week off work haha

I would if I could afford it. Alas, I cannot.

 

[SevenYearItch]

Great stuff there @ Elessar !

 

[ArccJPO]

Very nice read on those stats, thanks @ Elessar .

 

[Luggy]

Thanks to all of you, especially @ Elessar for those datas. I know Ryu has a big KO potential, I just need more training.
Also, can't wait to see the guide for Ryu, he needs one for the beginners.

 

[iLLEST]

You know what though, I kinda like talking in SF lingo on smashboards, it gives me a small sense of camaraderie lol.

 

[Palutina]

I feel like Ghandi playing Ryu in this at the moment. Not what i was expecting. But still fun!

 

[Luggy]

I feel like Ghandi playing Ryu in this at the moment. Not what i was expecting. But still fun!

When you do a real Shoryuken at the right moment :

 

[ArccJPO]

When you do a real Shoryuken at the right moment :
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Change de Civ. 5 logo for the Sm4sh and you have my like.

 

[Luggy]

Change de Civ. 5 logo for the Sm4sh and you have my like.

But I already have your like. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Anyway, I'm wondering : how well does Ryu against top tiers like Sheik ? I'm training myself on FG because my Ryu is not ready for fighting real smash players, but I still want to know.

 

[Elessar]

You know what though, I kinda like talking in SF lingo on smashboards, it gives me a small sense of camaraderie lol.

I agree, but I think that we should still try to keep. It somewhat smash and newb friendly. Specially for guides and tutorials. Now, when talking among us it's a free for all.

 

[SevenYearItch]

But I already have your like. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Anyway, I'm wondering : how well does Ryu against top tiers like Sheik ? I'm training myself on FG because my Ryu is not ready for fighting real smash players, but I still want to know.

Good question. I'm probably going to hop on the good ole FG tonight to check it out, maybe go to the Sheik/other top tier boards to find some solid players to lab against

 

[PokemonyeWest]

I just got off work and my legs are jelly. I feel like I've been Tatsu'ing a tree

 

[SevenYearItch]

I just got off work and my legs are jelly. I feel like I've been Tatsu'ing a tree

Oil rig worker right? Cause Texas, Right?

 

[PokemonyeWest]

Oil rig worker right? Cause Texas, Right?

Haha you'd be surprised just HOW MAANY people work in oil fields here. But nah, I'm doing remodeling work! Glad I ain't in the fields. There's a lot of flooding going on in South Texas right now

 

[ArccJPO]

Mah man. Been practicing martial arts for 12 years. I'm pretty damn sure that, after a day of kicking a tree, your leg WON'T neither feel nor look like a jelly.

 

[SevenYearItch]

Haha you'd be surprised just HOW MAANY people work in oil fields here. But nah, I'm doing remodeling work! Glad I ain't in the fields. There's a lot of flooding going on in South Texas right now

Ohhh yeah, stay safe in that big ass storm if it hasn't hit yet!!! Remodeling work is sick, I have friends in it. Keeps ya real busy

 

[PokemonyeWest]

Glad I'm off now, I have a lot to write up for this joint guide for Ryu myself and a few other notable Ryu Boards members are cooking up.

 

[SevenYearItch]

Mah man. Been practicing martial arts for 12 years. I'm pretty damn sure that, after a day of kicking a tree, your leg WON'T neither feel nor look like a jelly.

You either get video proof of you Tatsu'ing a tree for negative jelly or you're lying

 

[Ryu_Ken]

You either get video proof of you Tatsu'ing a tree for negative jelly or you're lying

I think a Donkey Kick would be appropriate for taking down a tree. I'd only use Tatsu for pounding cars.

 

[SevenYearItch]

I think a Donkey Kick would be appropriate for taking down a tree. I'd only use Tatsu for pounding cars.

Pfffft, Tatsu for everything. I Tatsu to get to work, make sandwiches, make love. Tasu is life

 

[PokemonyeWest]

LOL at the thought of me sitting in traffic, looking up, and seeing someone tatsu'ing high above in the air with a bagel in one hand and a Starbucks coffee in the other

 

[SevenYearItch]

LOL at the thought of me sitting in traffic, looking up, and seeing someone tatsu'ing high above in the air with a bagel in one hand and a Starbucks coffee in the other

Just remember when you see it, that's your boy SevenYearItch

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I think we need a terminology thread of various street fighter annotation/words for Smash players to reference.

 

[Elessar]

I think we need a terminology thread of various street fighter annotation/words for Smash players to reference.

We have already talked about that and the guide we're working on will include it.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Just remember when you see it, that's your boy SevenYearItch

"Tatsumaki Senpyubagelbucks!"

@ KuroganeHammer

Thought the others were working on that already...?

ninjaaaaa

Smooth Criminal

 

[KuroganeHammer]

We have already talked about that and the guide we're working on will include it.

Excellent, I look forward to reading it.

 

[ShinnyMetal]

Great stuff there @ Elessar !

Ellesar is a beast yo

 

[ArccJPO]

LOL at the thought of me sitting in traffic, looking up, and seeing someone tatsu'ing high above in the air with a bagel in one hand and a Starbucks coffee in the other

Don`t forget the Kiai while he is doing it.

You either get video proof of you Tatsu'ing a tree for negative jelly or you're lying

Challenge accepted.

 

[mimgrim]

I think we need a terminology thread of various street fighter annotation/words for Smash players to reference.

I had planned on doing that but people didn't want a new thread and instead wanted it in an already existing thread or only have it in a thing they are making. But hey less work for me.

Although the one found in the q&a thread still isn't what I was thinking of. And if the one in the guide still isn't satisfactory to me I'll probably go ahead and create a thread for it anyway despite what everyonelse thinks.

 

[Ryu_Ken]

Pfffft, Tatsu for everything. I Tatsu to get to work, make sandwiches, make love. Tasu is life

"Tatsumaki Senpyubagelbucks!"

No... Just No. I'm sorry, but I had to object to that.

 

[SevenYearItch]

No... Just No. I'm sorry, but I had to object to that.

brb, Tatsu'ing to your house. Be ready to catch one with your face!!!!!!!!!

 

[ArccJPO]

brb, Tatsu'ing to your house. Be ready to catch one with your face!!!!!!!!!

Gimme me more like buttons mods, please.

 

[Ryu_Ken]

brb, Tatsu'ing to your house. Be ready to catch one with your face!!!!!!!!!

I'm nowhere near my house. In fact, I'm in different living quarters temporarily due to the storm, so I'm perfectly safe. I'm afraid if you "Tatsu" all the way to my house,

YOU'LL JUST DROWN!

(Just in time for Castle, too)

 

[Luggy]

No... Just No. I'm sorry, but I had to object to that.

I'm nowhere near my house. In fact, I'm in different living quarters temporarily due to the storm, so I'm perfectly safe. I'm afraid if you "Tatsu" all the way to my house,

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YOU'LL JUST DROWN!
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(Just in time for Castle, too)

Ryu is my favorite Ace Attorney character.

 

[SevenYearItch]

ughhhh, just getting mollywhopped on FG by weird MUs. Metaknight and Pacman ran me. Pacman was close though really. I'd say G&W as well but I had that won until he got a grab to 9 combo at fresh stock with him at 95%. I'm janky, my MU data shouldn't be even taken into account at this point haha