Shoddy Battle

[yellowroy]

Does everyone here play on the Smogon server or Official?

 

[roy is my boi]

Smogon.
Srsly.

 

[0RLY]

I don't really care... though I do like official because I can sometimes get a brawl match there!

 

[Hobobloke]

I like official its more laid-back and like ORly said its good to find some brawl matches.

 

[roy is my boi]

Lol I hate Official, because they ban you if you disagree with them. *******s.

 

[Deleted member]

some of us still play the actual game.

 

[Zook]

some of us still play the actual game.

Truth, man. Truth.

I'm a Smogon man myself. More people, less angry ranters, no Yachechomp.

 

[Bowser King]

I play a lot on the official but when I sometimes go on the smogon server

-Bowser King

 

[Firus]

some of us still play the actual game.

Yeah, this.

I don't play competitively, really, but I still prefer the original game over Shoddy. I don't even have Shoddy because it just seems so...artificial. Probably because it is. It's fine that other people want to do it, I'm just surprised (and slightly annoyed) that it's become the default for Pokemon battles.

 

[Zook]

Yeah, this.

I don't play competitively, really, but I still prefer the original game over Shoddy. I don't even have Shoddy because it just seems so...artificial. Probably because it is. It's fine that other people want to do it, I'm just surprised (and slightly annoyed) that it's become the default for Pokemon battles.

Without Shoddy, truely competitive Pokemon would be nearly impossible without hacking devices. I don't want to spend hundreds upon hundreds of hours trying to EV train, IV breed, nature breed, moveset breed, etc.

I thought Umbreon was talking about how the Official server didn't ban Chompy and his friends.

 

[Firus]

Without Shoddy, truely competitive Pokemon would be nearly impossible without hacking devices. I don't want to spend hundreds upon hundreds of hours trying to EV train, IV breed, nature breed, moveset breed, etc.

I thought Umbreon was talking about how the Official server didn't ban Chompy and his friends.

No, it would be nearly impossible without time and effort. Which is like Brawl players johning about how they like Brawl because they don't actually have to put in as much effort to play competitively in Brawl as they would have in Melee. Sorry, I don't buy that. EV training, IV breeding, etc. is time-consuming and difficult, but isn't that the idea? Overall I'm not going to convince anyone else, but...Shoddy is as good as using a hacking device within the normal limits of the game. It's as if you were to add in an auto-L-Cancel into Melee; a button that you can press to do wavedashing without having to press the combination. A SHFFL button. You still have to have the strategy to use them, but the other work is just automatically done for you. It feels cheap to me, and even when you're talking about new games, even those such as Diamond and Pearl which are lackluster at best, I'd prefer to play the original game. Call me traditional.

Umbreon may very well have been referring to that; nonetheless, I stand by my statement.

 

[Zook]

No, it would be nearly impossible without time and effort. Which is like Brawl players johning about how they like Brawl because they don't actually have to put in as much effort to play competitively in Brawl as they would have in Melee. Sorry, I don't buy that. EV training, IV breeding, etc. is time-consuming and difficult, but isn't that the idea? Overall I'm not going to convince anyone else, but...Shoddy is as good as using a hacking device within the normal limits of the game. It's as if you were to add in an auto-L-Cancel into Melee; a button that you can press to do wavedashing without having to press the combination. A SHFFL button. You still have to have the strategy to use them, but the other work is just automatically done for you. It feels cheap to me, and even when you're talking about new games, even those such as Diamond and Pearl which are lackluster at best, I'd prefer to play the original game. Call me traditional.

I wouldn't consider EV training etc. an AT, because once you get an AT down, you got it for life (mostly).

I'm not sure where to really start. Hmm, let's talk about first getting a Pokemon that can compete at a competitive level. In Pokemon, that means near-perfect IVs, good nature, and moves from parents. Nature isn't too hard- find a Ditto with the nature you want (can take a while), give it an everstone, and bam. IVs are a completely different story, and EXTREMELY hard to come by, so I won't even get into that. Once you have a decent Pokemon and have bred them for the proper moveset, you start EV training to level 100, which without hacking/cheating devices takes up many hours.

Do that 6 more times for a team.

Even more if you want variation in your teams/different movesets.

Also, not everyone has access to WiFi, and therefor not to many Pokemon. Before I got my WiFi adapter, I would have NEVER been able to get Infernape, Sceptile, etc.

What I'm trying to say is that DPP themselves aren't practical for competitive play. Its time consuming, unequal, and just can't as deep as Shoddy, which eliminates the annoying training and gives everyone the same pieces.

Sure, Shoddy is far less personal, but this is competitive battling. I don't care if its artificial.

 

[zrky]

I do official and smogon, official is less crowded, but I like losing on smogon

 

[ozg82889]

when i play i play on the smogon server. i still perfer to play the actuall games. i will probably not have pokemon with perfect ivs but i wopuld have put time and effert to train the pokemon with good ivs i got and winning with them feels better then taking 5 mins to make the same team then winning with it.

 

[CT Chia]

smogon server

 

[Deleted member]

I meant on the DS. Shoddy is bad. Really bad.

 

[ss118]

smogon server srsly. But I guess it's better for people like me who want to "play play play" lol

Shoddy isn't "bad". Just the person who made it

 

[Zook]

I hate Colin. Didn't he come here once?

Shoddy isn't bad, just really, really unpersonal. I don't care if I spent 200+ hours making the perfect team, I have better things to do with my precious time.

 

[Firus]

I wouldn't consider EV training etc. an AT, because once you get an AT down, you got it for life (mostly).

I'm not sure where to really start. Hmm, let's talk about first getting a Pokemon that can compete at a competitive level. In Pokemon, that means near-perfect IVs, good nature, and moves from parents. Nature isn't too hard- find a Ditto with the nature you want (can take a while), give it an everstone, and bam. IVs are a completely different story, and EXTREMELY hard to come by, so I won't even get into that. Once you have a decent Pokemon and have bred them for the proper moveset, you start EV training to level 100, which without hacking/cheating devices takes up many hours.

Do that 6 more times for a team.

Even more if you want variation in your teams/different movesets.

Also, not everyone has access to WiFi, and therefor not to many Pokemon. Before I got my WiFi adapter, I would have NEVER been able to get Infernape, Sceptile, etc.

What I'm trying to say is that DPP themselves aren't practical for competitive play. Its time consuming, unequal, and just can't as deep as Shoddy, which eliminates the annoying training and gives everyone the same pieces.

Sure, Shoddy is far less personal, but this is competitive battling. I don't care if its artificial.

I don't know. I see your points, but I'm never going to feel accomplished fighting with Pokemon that I just chose everything for. There's no work involved except for developing a strategy. It feels cheap.

I'm not into competitive Pokemon myself, but if I were I'd much rather build up my own Pokemon than use Shoddy.

 

[Zook]

I don't know. I see your points, but I'm never going to feel accomplished fighting with Pokemon that I just chose everything for. There's no work involved except for developing a strategy. It feels cheap.

I understand what you mean, Firus. Shoddy does take away what many Pokemon fans consider to be one of the best elements of the game- training.

There is no reason to use uncompetitive Pokemon on Shoddy, except if you like losing.

 

[ss118]

what's wrong with playing pokemon just for the strategy? I sure as hell know I don't play pokemon because their cute(though in some cases it's true =3)

 

[ColinJF]

Shoddy isn't "bad". Just the person who made it

Yeah the person who made Shoddy Battle is horrible.

I hear he eats babies.

 

[The Atheist]

I hear he eats babies.

Yeah he does. But not on Thursdays

 

[WouW]

what's wrong with playing pokemon just for the strategy? I sure as hell know I don't play pokemon because their cute(though in some cases it's true =3)

This person speaks truth.

 

[Bowser King]

Use shoddy to find which pokes are good and then pokesav them to your DS :D

Getting correct Iv's, Ev's, nature and everything else is a pain. Shoddybattle is like the advil.

...pokesav is the water that washes down that yucky after taste.

-Bowser King

 

[Deleted member]

I understand what you mean, Firus. Shoddy does take away what many Pokemon fans consider to be one of the best elements of the game- training.

There is no reason to use uncompetitive Pokemon on Shoddy, except if you like losing.

Some people like to play their favorites. I guess you're not one of them.

We need more players like you. I just don't see enough Scizor Heatran on Shoddy. Only 3/4ths of all teams have them, so clearly the last 25% of players like to lose, and that's just uncompetitive.

 

[Zook]

Some people like to play their favorites. I guess you're not one of them.

We need more players like you. I just don't see enough Scizor Heatran on Shoddy. Only 3/4ths of all teams have them, so clearly the last 25% of players like to lose, and that's just uncompetitive.

I'm sorry, Umbreon, but I really botched that last post of mine. I meant to say play uncompetitively, not use uncompetitive Pokemon. I do use favorites.

Man, I really need to read my posts before I press 'submit.'

 

[Blaziking17]

I guess it's smogon server; I really don't care which one I play on.

Yeah, it's all good to see what the Pokemon you choose on Shoddy could end up being on the DS, but the thing is:

"Oh look! This dialog box is giving me a choice on my legendary's IV's because it's not the right combination! Oh dear, what should I do?"

Sigh, real bummer...