Shiny's Mario Mafia - Game Over! Town + FireEmbleminer Victory!

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I mean, having him always follow Natz’s voting pattern...

If this is legit coincidence, this is even better than the hearing aids fiasco

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Stoopd Unknown's contrast to DJ's claim is pretty ballsy for someone who is mostly being townread for their claim, I like this and I'm reading him as town for now

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

When's deadline? Want to comb over this thread again because I didn't do last time I left. Expect readslist/wall soon

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Vote: Bardeez nuts

Reacting to several quick votes by trying to demand a lynch between you and the biggest wagon of the day? Lemme get uhhh "trying to seem sefless for town cred"

Like if you and maven are both town and we follow that plan then scum could just sit back and watch the ****show. Overall just a terrible idea from a town pov. Doubt a move like this comes from someone who has as little information as a townie on D1.

Very wack how FE downplayed this whole thing by not mentioning it in the recap.

Also fellas in the future don't claim unless you're just about to get lynched and don't think you're about to get lynched as soon as couple of votes start swinging your way.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

When's deadline?

6 PM EST

So about 8 hours

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Vote: Bardeez nuts

Reacting to several quick votes by trying to demand a lynch between you and the biggest wagon of the day? Lemme get uhhh "trying to seem sefless for town cred"

Like if you and maven are both town and we follow that plan then scum could just sit back and watch the ****show. Overall just a terrible idea from a town pov. Doubt a move like this comes from someone who has as little information as a townie on D1.

Very wack how FE downplayed this whole thing by not mentioning it in the recap.

Also fellas in the future don't claim unless you're just about to get lynched and don't think you're about to get lynched as soon as couple of votes start swinging your way.

Honestly I didn't mean to downplay that event, I considered it part of "Dgames and Nzoners compare and contrast thing" i mentioned.
Though the recap I made was very TLDR, as in to get Ura curious of what happened and look back and form her own opinion.

When's deadline? Want to comb over this thread again because I didn't do last time I left. Expect readslist/wall soon

Deadline is at 6pm today. Nzone has 24 hour days and nights

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Ura

her

kek

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I will say that Bard's interactions could be more scum oriented, as Bardull's more aggressive/reckless playstyle so far does remind me of games I've seen him as scum. I haven't played with a lot of townie bard though, so I can't really compare and contrast the two very well.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

How exactly is it "Dgamers and nzoners comparing and contrasting?" That's a very vague way to describe the situations. The fact that you don't touch upon any further reads a lot like you're saying pri much everything except for the claim isn't worth mentioning

 

[Fire Emblemier]

kek

Probs the Zelda icon that made me think lol

 

[Fire Emblemier]

How exactly is it "Dgamers and nzoners comparing and contrasting?" That's a very vague way to describe the situations. The fact that you don't touch upon any further reads a lot like you're saying pri much everything except for the claim isn't worth mentioning

Well, I was at work for most of that situation going on, and only really being around for the tailend of it. So I will concede that I didn't think it was as big of an event at the time. I'll relook through it, and reform a opinion on it.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Before you do your reread, who do you think is scummier than bard (your 808 seems to indicate a scum read)

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I feel like most of the active people with actual content right now like Natz, Soup, and DJ don't really come off as scummy to me so far. Cause a lot of the others come off as "meme-y" without a lot of substance.
Bardull's behavior comes off as as stated before agressive and reckless as I can take think of better words to describe it.
Nabe for instance doesn't come off as scummier, but rather a little too neutral. His content seems just to be questions towards the everyone, without too much followup.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I know I missed a few people like Kary and Maven, but there moreso on the "wait and see" side of things"

Vote Nabe
I feel like a little bit a pressure on his slot could help get him out of this neutral zone. If that's the best way to put it.

 

[AmericanDJ]

Unvote

I'm starting to feel a bit better about myself than I was last night.

alright, you avoided the why you did stalk my votes, so please go on answering that

Vote: AmericanDJ

You better talk, DJ

Really, I did feel like the way that BarDulL was acting was somewhat strange, but when FE started to question me, I started to think that voting for him wasn't the best idea. In hindsight, I did think it was a pretty stupid decision of mine, and the way that he was acting, if somewhat odd, wasn't necessarily scummy. After giving it more thought, I do believe that he could be town.
Sadly, I didn't see that Natz unvoted until after I unvoted. Yeah . . .

I mean, having him always follow Natz’s voting pattern...

If this is legit coincidence, this is even better than the hearing aids fiasco

Yep.
My luck seems to be close to that of Arthur from Fire Emblem (well, not quite that bad, but you get the point).

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I know I missed a few people like Kary and Maven, but there moreso on the "wait and see" side of things"

Vote Nabe
I feel like a little bit a pressure on his slot could help get him out of this neutral zone. If that's the best way to put it.

Briefly bringing up a bardull scum read before deflecting onto a completely different wagon out of nowhere

Yikes

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yep.
My luck seems to be close to that of Arthur from Fire Emblem (well, not quite that bad, but you get the point).

Alright, I'll believe you until there's concrete evidence of you being scum.

Briefly bringing up a bardull scum read before deflecting onto a completely different wagon out of nowhere

Yikes

He even said Nabe didn't really come off as scummier right before voting for him...

That's odd.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Briefly bringing up a bardull scum read before deflecting onto a completely different wagon out of nowhere

Yikes

In my defense, majority lynching isn't how it works in other games, Bardull already has a good amount votes on him, and I'd rather spend my time pressuring a slot I'm not so sure about at the moment,

Alright, I'll believe you until there's concrete evidence of you being scum.


He even said Nabe didn't really come off as scummier right before voting for him...

That's odd.

While that is true, I feel putting Nabe in a position where he would have something less neutral to talk about is more favorable.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I'm going to stand by my decision for right now honestly

 

[BarDulL]

Kary and Dark Horse’s point that I did not explain my vote about Maven is odd and reads to me as scummy.

We all know why I didn’t explain my Maven vote.

When you form a voting block to apply pressure, saying it’s for pressure defeats the purpose. Saying it’s RVS defeats the purpose. To get a wagon going and getting reads from other slots along the way is what’s important; this sort of behavior happens in every mafia game. They’re pretending to have never seen it.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Yeah no pressure blocks can be nice to get out of rvs but it's nowehere near good enough reasoning for you to make it either a "me or him" stuation. You do know how damaging the situation would be if both of you are town, right? You would essentially forcing the spotlight away from any of the scum.

 

[BarDulL]

Yeah no pressure blocks can be nice to get out of rvs but it's nowehere near good enough reasoning for you to make it either a "me or him" stuation. You do know how damaging the situation would be if both of you are town, right? You would essentially forcing the spotlight away from any of the scum.

Nothing was getting done. Generating reads and attempting to force two voting blocks into the open is a great opportunity to get scum to walk into the spot light and make a vote.

It was very much clear that people were not getting their hands dirty. Sometimes, you have to do things you don’t want to do to progress the game. No one jumping on the Maven vote, and scum were just dilly dallying with inactivity.

But you are making the assumption that it would have to me between myself and Maven, instead of a third party. You have ignored the fact that players are reacting to people who are wagoning. That is the exact reason why players reacted to DJ and feel he is very likely to be Town.

You’re being very mechanical about the situation and not trying to analyze the benefits.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Alright then what are your thoughts on the people on the bardull and maven wagons?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

V O T E C O U N T
"A Quiet Night" Edition


Maven89 (4): Lampy, Spak, Spak, BarDulL
BarDulL (4): vaanrose, #HBC | Kary, Maven89, #HBC | Dark Horse
#HBC | Nabe (1): FireEmblemnier
Pokechu (1): GoldenYuiitusin

Not Voting: Natz~, Ura, Pokechu, AmericanDJ, #HBC | Nabe, Coricus, Yellowlord, Swamp Sensei

Spoiler: Voting History

Lampy > Maven89
The Stoopid Unikorn > No Lynch > BarDulL > AmericanDJ > Unvote
Natz~ > No Lynch > Unvote > The Stoopid Unikorn > Unvote > The Stoopid Unikorn > BarDulL > Unvote
Ura
Pokechu
Maven89 > #HBC | Kary > Unvote > BarDulL
AmericanDJ > BarDulL > Unvote > AmericanDJ > Unvote
#HBC | Nabe
Coricus
Yellowlord
GoldenYuiitusin > Pokechu
#HBC | Dark Horse
Swamp Sensei
BarDulL > #HBC | soup > Unvote > Maven89
vaanrose > BarDulL
FireEmblemnier > Coricus > AmericanDJ > Unvote > #HBC | Nabe
#HBC | soup > Maven89 > AmericanDJ > Unvote
Spak > The Stoopid Unikorn > Maven89 > Maven89 > Maven89
#HBC | Kary > BarDulL

Day 1 ends on June 21st at 6:00 p.m. EST.

 

[Ura]

Also Ura Yellowlord you two might waanna get in here too. I'm not sure how much I sorted from my browsing before I gave up, but clearly the DG crowd is keeping better track than I am and we need everyone to show for due process to kick in. Granted I'm saying this but I'm still not entirely sure what to do with myself other than just waatch. . .

Sorry I was having the night from hell last night with my anxiety killing me. Wasn't able to follow this game as much as I wanted to.

So what's been going on so far?

 

[Yellowlord]

Also Ura Yellowlord you two might waanna get in here too. I'm not sure how much I sorted from my browsing before I gave up, but clearly the DG crowd is keeping better track than I am and we need everyone to show for due process to kick in. Granted I'm saying this but I'm still not entirely sure what to do with myself other than just waatch. . .

I'm pretty much in the exact same spot as you are, honestly: I'm not completely sure what's really going on, although I might have an idea?. Could just be because it's the first day or other reasons, but for now, I'm mainly just watching.

 

[BarDulL]

I posted this earlier.

Current players I think are a tad suspicious at the moment:

Unikorn
Maven

Players I think should live for now:

Nabe
Soup
Kary
Natz
Fire Emblem
AmericanDJ
Vaanrose

Players I am interested in hearing more from:

Lampy
Dark Horse
Spak
Golden
Swampasaurus

Players that are currently traversing the void:

Ura
Yellowlord
Coricus

Pokechu:
Pokechu

Unikorn's contrast to DJ's claim reads as a bit odd. Soup says it's probably townie. I'm not quick to make a judgment on it yet since this has happened more than once.

Vaan isn't a fan, and could be voting as either alignment. However I feel that it is likely he is Town for reasons I will not explain yet.

Maven feels very opportunistic and isn't trying to argue or analyze intent. He is asking questions like "who would I shoot" in a scenario where it's clear not much has gotten done. Who the heck was I going to shoot with this little amount of meat? He is more concerned with trying to make me look bad using clint eastwood gifs. I haven't heard a single word or bit of analysis from him as to why I am scum, he has only opportunistically and all too eagerly jumped behind Kary's case.

 

[Spak]

fishing is ****ing awesome

hope ya have a good time dude

Just got back; caught 6 fish, the coolest of which was a spadefish. Someone hooked a hammerhead, but their line broke.

Kary's case predominantly highlights a clash of ideologies.

Kary is more or less making a claim that no town player would suggest to lynch themselves because it's just plain stupid; "a townie should be trying to keep themselves alive while attempting to find scum". They are, in turn, suggesting that I am trying to make myself look good with no follow-up.

However, this is where Kary and I differentiate in terms of ideological play. While Kary believes that self-preservation is ideal and the most sensible in mafia, I believe that, sometimes, sacrifices must be made to progress the game, and I will do it at any cost when it is clear that the game is at a standstill. I will forego my sociopolitical standing if it means breaking open the story and narrowing down the avenues of approach. I will inevitably become a magnet, but that magnet will draw actions, stances, and opinions from other players, and will bring us closer to discovering who the Mafia are.

I understand that, sometimes, a price must be paid to achieve results in Mafia. If I must make sacrifices, then I will willingly do it if it means we are closer to securing the win.

That is how I play Mafia.

Much of the crowd was not getting their hands dirty and did not want to vote. This is not exclusive to a particular group, just a generality in our midst.

With no content being produced and no major actions being taken, I took it into my own hands and riled some people up. In turn, a lot of content was generated, and votes were placed. Scrutiny was applied. Things are now a lot less foggy.

I won't say that what Kary suggests is impossible, but believe what you will. It's up to you all to decide what the more likely scenario is and act accordingly.

Kary tries to reinforce the scumDulL perspective by stating that I am not aware of who all the players are based on my mistake that I thought Shish was in the game. From a third eye, I feel that this is a reasonable mistake to make with 19 players in the game and Shish posting at least once in it recently.

You were dead when Natz and I came to this impasse last game, so I don't have a good point of comparison to see if you're lying or not... It seems like you're being truthful and have a valid point (although I tend to fall on the other side of the fence in believing that protecting town-confirmed slots is always in the town's interest). With that said, I don't believe that just saying "Hey, everyone should vote for me" is the best way to go about making people more comfortable voting, as it's not actually encouraging them to scumhunt anyone and leaves town with fewer connections as nobody was really suspicious of you being scum up until this point and there wasn't really a strong wagon. With that said, if you anticipated this to blow up in your face and are expecting the connections drawn from everyone's responses to give enough connections for town to work from, which would require you to be insane or genius lol).

all i see is ***

- Natz, 2018

I don't talk to people who can't spell my name.

Why not, Swampaswampus?

 

[BarDulL]

Players that I feel are townie based on the wagon:

Fire Emblemnier and Natz are supremely townie. They have showcased authentic analysis and did not jump on board the wagon and have instead opted to question intent and motives.

Already elaborated on DJ's claim.

 

[Deleted member]

Why not, Swampaswampus?

This is your new name, Swamp.

 

[Deleted member]

There, there, Swamp.
I've been on your position before.

Lampy your name is Lamoy now.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Bardull: "oh I know I suggested something bad for town, that makes no sense for me to say if I am town, but I did it to move the game along!"

No dice. You can get away with anything with that excuse.

 

[BarDulL]

Bardull: "oh I know I suggested something bad for town, that makes no sense for me to say if I am town, but I did it to move the game along!"

No dice. You can get away with anything with that excuse.

I actually think what I did was fantastic and generated content.

You're just not trying to read into the intent, motivation, or the context.

You haven't once argued that nothing was getting done, and that me doing something and saying something ultimately is leading to further discussion.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

There is a big difference between "let's vote Maven randomly at the start of the game for no reason" and "hey guys what if we only lynch between myself and Maven today". the first one is fine. the second one is bananas.

 

[BarDulL]

There is a big difference between "let's vote Maven randomly at the start of the game for no reason" and "hey guys what if we only lynch between myself and Maven today". the first one is fine. the second one is bananas.

Oh yeah?

Then who else was going to be the second voting block with TWENTY FOUR HOUR DAYS with inactivity and this little meat?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Oh yeah?

Then who else was going to be the second voting block with TWENTY FOUR HOUR DAYS with inactivity and this little meat?

literally anyone except yourself?

 

[BarDulL]

literally anyone except yourself?

Wrong.

Name me one person who would have realistically gotten a sizable voting block on themselves.

You can't name one because there was no one.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Acknowledgement: yes, this is a slanted take.

Heck, I would be happy if people just piled votes on me at this point to get the game moving somewhere.

Vote: BarDulL

This vote is obviously intended to not be taken seriously.

Take out two people in the first day?

That's... Now I'm starting to think my vote was well placed

Still not terribly serious, but this is a little uncomfortable if you look at it as potentially being groundwork.

[...] it's a stupidly risky move to take when we don't know anything.

Looking somewhat serious, which is why Bard posts the following:

Then you must make a decision, because votes are piling on. Aren't you already voting for me anyway?

I did it to joke because you said it'd make you happy

Reiterating that the vote was a joke, although Bard was asking if the vote was becoming a serious one, not if it had started off seriously.

Dull promised us ****posts.

Where are they?

For every vote that is place from a unique poster from this post onward, I will make a **** post.

Compromise!

Bargaining for ****posts?

**** that ****. :V

More jokey banter.

Vote: AmericanDJ

You better talk, DJ

Swings to AmericanDJ, much later, apropos of nothing. He seems more serious about this vote.

The way he's acting is just weird, so I'm doing a pressure vote.

Not like we have anywhere else to waste it on.

Besides, I said it's a pressure vote. Once he explains himself, I'll take it off.

Again, he doesn't seem to feel strongly about his prior Bard vote.

DJ's claim absolutely reads to me as genuine, so it sucks that we have an outed Tracker; his method feels very unassisted and totally unplanned, and since it seems there are a lack of safe claims, it is very likely he is telling the truth. However that is just one extra person we know we can safely avoid when trying to figure out who the scum are.

Huh... I know I said I'd wait until he explains himself, but this makes a lot of sense.

I don't wanna break my word though, so my pressure vote stays until he shares some stuff... or before the day ends. Whichever happens first.

However, if he ends up mafia, I'll be pointing fingers at you.

Interesting. So you feel that DJ's vote on me was a potential bus?

I’m... honestly not sure what to think...

Then again, DJ wouldn’t vote for a fellow scum on Day 1, of all times...

Alright, still gonna wait for explanations, but all this stuff pleases me enough to take off the pressure vote.

Unvote

But I’m still suspicious.

FoS: AmericanDJ

Here's a bizarre interaction, which is what prompted my look back. Unikorn lets himself be pretty easily convinced out of voting for DJ, even though he says only one post earlier that his pressure vote will stay until DJ posts more, or when the Day ends. He makes a comment about Bard being suspicious on a DJ scumflip (Why?) but waffles on that immediately when Bard asks him directly for his reasoning. He says he doesn't really know, and then seemingly talks himself into the unvote, but still maintains that he's suspicious of DJ. Why not hang onto the vote, then?

Really, I did feel like the way that BarDulL was acting was somewhat strange, but when FE started to question me, I started to think that voting for him wasn't the best idea. In hindsight, I did think it was a pretty stupid decision of mine, and the way that he was acting, if somewhat odd, wasn't necessarily scummy. After giving it more thought, I do believe that he could be town.
Sadly, I didn't see that Natz unvoted until after I unvoted. Yeah . . .

Alright, I'll believe you until there's concrete evidence of you being scum.

And when DJ posts once, the suspicion is quickly dropped entirely.

Continuing to the next post for the sake of not hiding my vote under a wall.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote: The Stoopid Unikorn

Where's your mind at on Bard, following everything that has gone on since your initial vote? You were the first vote on him, but aside from a bit of banter, you haven't said anything since. You quietly slipped onto an AmericanDJ vote much later, then unvoted shortly after that with a bit of prompting. Is there anywhere else you're interested in looking following AmericanDJ?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Where's your mind at on Bard, following everything that has gone on since your initial vote?

I think he’s a bit aggressive, but I don’t really know the way he usually plays, so I can’t form an opinion.

You quietly slipped onto an AmericanDJ vote much later, then unvoted shortly after that with a bit of prompting. Is there anywhere else you're interested in looking following AmericanDJ?

Just wanted to know what the heck was with that highly convenient timing in his votes matching Natz’s.