Setting Up Our Online Smash Boards 3DS Tournament Teams

[PingPongCop]

I think Clans could have 4 members,1 member to represent the Clan in 1v1 Tournaments,1 Member to Represent the clan in 1v1 Low-Tier Character only Tournaments,and 2 members in 2v2 Tournaments.

Low Tier Tournaments?

Essentially I think clans would work if they are as democratic as possible, and I think the whole league will work better if it's organized and every clan has a say in the rules and guidelines for behavior. Now the question is, how many clans do we have in the league and do we have multiple leagues?

(Also do we even call the organizations of clans leagues?)

I'm pretty sure there will be an infinite number of clans, but to keep there from being too many, we could put a 10 clan member limit. Also, I think It would be wise to split all clans into two or four groups (or leagues.)

 

[ElectricCitrus]

Alright so basically:
clans=infinite
clan members=10
leagues=infinite (in theory)
league numbers=10-15 clans?
league ranking=infinite (in theory)


EDIT: for example;
League Such and Such
Clans a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i j
League Such and Such Ranking #40 out of ______
Clan A ranking is #1 out of 10.

 

[Number1MinunFan]

Low Tier Tournaments?

I'm pretty sure there will be an infinite number of clans, but to keep there from being too many, we could put a 10 clan member limit. Also, I think It would be wise to split all clans into two or four groups (or leagues.)

Low Tier like C Tier or Lower Characters only.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

Also how about clans must have a 10 member minimum limit in order to be recognized as an official clan for the purposes of tournaments/leagues? That would help reduce the number of clans to manageable levels, but will still spawn many.

 

[Number1MinunFan]

Also how about clans must have a 10 member minimum limit in order to be recognized as an official clan for the purposes of tournaments/leagues? That would help reduce the number of clans to manageable levels, but will still spawn many.

I would support this, If its a 10 Player Minimum maybe 6 1v1 players and 2 2v2 Teams.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

I suppose so, but I think it'd be best if we didn't limit clan members to 1v1 or 2v2 but rather let clan members decide for themselves what they want to do and who to stick into tournaments based on performances. Another way a 10 player minimum is a great thing is that clans themselves can host their own little tournaments and create their own little rankings with relative ease, and 10 is just big enough to give leagues a good amount of players but just small enough to still be tight-knit.

 

[PingPongCop]

Low Tier like C Tier or Lower Characters only.

Is that a real thing? :O

I suppose so, but I think it'd be best if we didn't limit clan members to 1v1 or 2v2 but rather let clan members decide for themselves what they want to do and who to stick into tournaments based on performances. Another way a 10 player minimum is a great thing is that clans themselves can host their own little tournaments and create their own little rankings with relative ease, and 10 is just big enough to give leagues a good amount of players but just small enough to still be tight-knit.

You made some pretty good points there, but now that I think about it, there should be either a 12 or 8 member limit, so that tournaments amongst clan members will be easy to organize

 

[Soul.]

Is that a real thing? :O
You made some pretty good points there, but now that I think about it, there should be either a 12 or 8 member limit, so that tournaments amongst clan members will be easy to organize

12 members sounds fine. Clan matches on Smash Bros. are like Clan races on Mario Kart, to make it simple. Now, we're talking about clan matches, but what if there are clan tournaments?

 

[ElectricCitrus]

Okay so under the Citrus System (what my narcissism is calling me to dub all my ideas). It'd be like this:

Clans can have inner-tournaments that establish a ranking from among them, these rankings can then influence who competes in special cross-clan tournaments. These cross-clan tournaments will be between clans within their league to establish league rankings which will influence league tournaments. Fairly simple and straight-forward.

Note you could probably do cross-clan tournaments featuring clans from multiple leagues but idk if we'll rank these at league tournaments or not rank them at all for the purpose of official league tournaments.

As for member limits, I think 8 should be the minimum for a clan to be granted official membership of a league and have their rankings tracked officially. A system of byes can be in place for clans that do not have a membership level that is a power of 2. If a clan drops below 8 members they are no longer officially a clan in the league, but they may still compete. If a clan reaches 4 or less members that clan is considered DOA (dead-on-arrival) and is no longer tracked our granted to compete in league tournaments.

Fair, organized, and well defined.

 

[Nintendrone]

@ ElectricCitrus @ Trisongs @ PingPongCop
The reason I suggested that the clans and captains shift every season is so that it is harder for one clan to dominate and potentially make the league uninteresting, deterring people. Also, I think a "season" would last for each quarter-year, or about 3.5 months, kinda like a real life season.

That said, my idea may not be the most effective, and I agree that democracy should be implemented somehow. The reasoning behind my idea was that only qualified players could form clans, keeping it at a manageable number like 4. Now that I think of it, being the most skilled player shouldn't be the sole factor in picking captains, and a vote is a simple way to see if the community thinks that the player would make an effective leader. Also, I agree that there must be a rule in place for replacing inactive captains.

tl;dr: I think that there must be requirements that players must reach in order to form clans, and that there should be more than one way to become qualified.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

@ Nintendrone Okay so how about this then, in order to form a clan you must meet at least two of the four qualifications

1.) Compete in more than two tournaments
2.) Be ranked at least in the top 50% of your clan
3.) Be a clan member for at least a season
4.) Be in good standing with the clan/league organizers.

All of these are fairly easy to achieve, and meeting 50% is a breeze. The first one shows dedication to the scene, the second shows skill, the third shows knowledge, and the fourth shows behavior. That covers all the four most desirable qualities we would want in the 3Ds scene.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

For easy reference I will be compiling the entirety of the Citrus System for easy discussion and review:

Clan Leadership:

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I think clans should have total say in who gets elected their leader, then that leader serves until they retire or the clan thinks they are no longer doing an adequate job. An adequate job would be a set of rules all the clans agree to that act as guidelines for the captains.

When a captain retires from the scene, the clan gets to vote for a new leader through a process of nominations and voting. The clan leader gets the special privilege of nominating someone who doesn't need to be voted on to confirm the nomination?

EDIT: Basically it'd be a series of two votes:
1.) vote on the nominations to confirm them
2.) vote on the confirmed nominations for new clan leader

Hierarchy:

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Alright so basically:
clans=infinite
clan members=10
leagues=infinite (in theory)
league numbers=10-15 clans?
league ranking=infinite (in theory)


EDIT: for example;
League Such and Such
Clans a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i j
League Such and Such Ranking #40 out of ______
Clan A ranking is #1 out of 10.

Minimum Clan requirements and Recognition:

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As for member limits, I think 8 should be the minimum for a clan to be granted official membership of a league and have their rankings tracked officially. A system of byes can be in place for clans that do not have a membership level that is a power of 2. If a clan drops below 8 members they are no longer officially a clan in the league, but they may still compete. If a clan reaches 4 or less members that clan is considered DOA (dead-on-arrival) and is no longer tracked our granted to compete in league tournaments.

Essentially, clans stay in leagues until they reach the sub 8 members at which point they are dropped from their league.

Tournament and Rankings:

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Clans can have inner-tournaments that establish a ranking from among them, these rankings can then influence who competes in special cross-clan tournaments. These cross-clan tournaments will be between clans within their league to establish league rankings which will influence league tournaments. Fairly simple and straight-forward.

Note you could probably do cross-clan tournaments featuring clans from multiple leagues but idk if we'll rank these at league tournaments or not rank them at all for the purpose of official league tournaments.

Clan forming requirements:

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in order to form a clan you must meet at least two of the four qualifications

1.) Compete in more than two tournaments
2.) Be ranked at least in the top 50% of your clan
3.) Be a clan member for at least a season
4.) Be in good standing with the clan/league organizers.

All of these are fairly easy to achieve, and meeting 50% is a breeze. The first one shows dedication to the scene, the second shows skill, the third shows knowledge, and the fourth shows behavior. That covers all the four most desirable qualities we would want in the 3Ds scene.

League organizers and the 3DS Council

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In order to avoid favoritism I think we should make it so that the organizers of the leagues are not allowed to be current clan leaders. League organizers serve until they begin showing a fault in their work, OR two years at which point they appoint a successor who is voted on. Each league will have two-three organizers, and the total number of organizers make up the 3DS Council (name pending) which determines when cross-league tournaments occur as well as other governing duties.

Clan set-ups in the beginning

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We should have two leagues of five clans at the very beginning, just to get the ball rolling. Then once a season has passed we will move on to using the other requirements for clan formation. The five clans will be first come first serve in terms of formation and acceptance.

Season lengths and tournaments to always occur

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Props to Nintendrone for this:
Seasons will last roughly 3.5 months, or one quarter of the year. During these seasons there will be two tournaments that always occur: The final League Tournament and the All-Star Tournament.

The League tournament will be the tournament featuring all the Leagues and will occur at the end of the season, clans nominate a player until a league roster of 8 is selected. These 8 compete with the 8 from all the other leagues until one ultimate league is established. Finally, the All-Star Tournament will occur after the League Finale and will feature the top 2 players from each clan.

EDIT: I KNOW IT'S A DOUBLE POST, BUT I FEEL IT IS AN IMPORTANT ONE!

EDIT 2: I added league organizers, and how to form clans in the beginning of smash 3DS

EDIT 3: I added in season length and my idea for two tournaments that could always occur each season.

 

[Nintendrone]

@ Nintendrone Okay so how about this then, in order to form a clan you must meet at least two of the four qualifications

1.) Compete in more than two tournaments
2.) Be ranked at least in the top 50% of your clan
3.) Be a clan member for at least a season
4.) Be in good standing with the clan/league organizers.

All of these are fairly easy to achieve, and meeting 50% is a breeze. The first one shows dedication to the scene, the second shows skill, the third shows knowledge, and the fourth shows behavior. That covers all the four most desirable qualities we would want in the 3Ds scene.

This sounds perfect. Your ideas about requirements for a new clan to be officially recognized are great, and multiple leagues are good so that clans who aren't interested in some formats may not enter said league. The one thing your system is missing is how we decide how clans are formed in the beginning.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

Indeed that is the one flaw in my system, and I am totally up for suggestions. Maybe we start out with two leagues of five clans, once the clans are formed we move onto how clans are formed in my system. Basically meaning it's first come first serve just to get things going?

EDIT: Also with only a few months left, we should finalize everything ASAP.

 

[Nintendrone]

Indeed that is the one flaw in my system, and I am totally up for suggestions. Maybe we start out with two leagues of five clans, once the clans are formed we move onto how clans are formed in my system. Basically meaning it's first come first serve just to get things going?

Let me lay down the options for launch:

1. First come, first served. Anyone who's quick enough can form a clan until there's an adequate number of clans.
2. Nomination. The community votes for interested users and top (insert #) users may form clans.
3. Competition. A tournament of all interested users is held, and the top (insert #) users may form clans.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

I prefer option two because it'll allow us to have the clans formed before launch which will be ideal for getting a jump start. So are we all feeling fairly good about using the Citrus System? I know it's something I made, but I feel like it's covered a lot of the things that needed to be covered and sets-up a solid organizational foundation.

I'm totally open to suggestions/modifications of it though! :D

EDIT: With option two I think it'd be the top 10 and then those 10 clans would be divided into the two leagues which start out the first season.

 

[Nintendrone]

I prefer option two because it'll allow us to have the clans formed before launch which will be ideal for getting a jump start. So are we all feeling fairly good about using the Citrus System? I know it's something I made, but I feel like it's covered a lot of the things that needed to be covered and sets-up a solid organizational foundation.

I'm totally open to suggestions/modifications of it though! :D

I'd agree that simple nomination is the safest bet.

As for the Citrus System, we need a way to rank the clans in each league. A simple idea could be:
Set won: 3 points (5 points for best of five, 7 for best of seven…)
Set lost: 1 point per game won in set

 

[ElectricCitrus]

I was thinking it'd be clan performance plus individual member performance done as an average. This might create clans that legitimately stink but it'll also strengthen resolve for clans to make sure their members are doing the best they can.

 

[Number1MinunFan]

I think there should be 2 Leauges with 8 Clans each with Two Divisions per League with 4 Clans each

 

[Nintendrone]

@ ElectricCitrus
A straight average might be a bit harsh on clans that recruit members late in the season. Perhaps there can be some slight multipliers in the average based on how long a player has been a member of their clan.

@ Number1MinunFan
I don't think being strict with limits is very good. There should be set leagues (singles, doubles, low-tier, etc.) that can have as many clans that are qualified via the Citrus System (only eligible players may form clans, and a clan doesn't count unless it has a certain amount of active members).

 

[Number1MinunFan]

I think the season should begin with Two ladders for each league then the two top teams from each league would compete in a 8-Man Tournament (Round one being the Division Championship,Round Two being the League Championship and round three would be the top clan from each league competing against each other for the SmashBoards Championship) so 16 Clans for SmashBoards.

 

[Number1MinunFan]

@ ElectricCitrus
A straight average might be a bit harsh on clans that recruit members late in the season. Perhaps there can be some slight multipliers in the average based on how long a player has been a member of their clan.

@ Number1MinunFan
I don't think being strict with limits is very good. There should be set leagues (singles, doubles, low-tier, etc.) that can have as many clans that are qualified via the Citrus System (only eligible players may form clans, and a clan doesn't count unless it has a certain amount of active members).

Thats an idea for having separate leagues for Singles,Doubles,and Low-Tier, maybe have the clans compete in multiple league (Clan Leaders can choose which leagues to compete in ?)

 

[Nintendrone]

@ Number1MinunFan
Each clan has a division for each league, so only players who play in the singles division represent their clan in the singles league, for example. Members may choose to be in multiple divisions if they so desire. The top clans competing in a season finale tournament sounds like a great idea.

 

[Trisongs]

I love every thing you guys are saying but you are not accounting for decay in the community. I see how ten members per group would be a good option for letting everyone have a chance to play but keep in mind not everyone will be on at the same time. I believe it would be more beneficial for groups to compose with more members and possibly 3 groups max (could have sub factions for each group to account for time zones which could come together for bigger events). I do like all these suggestions though but I see bigger and fewer groups more beneficial.

 

[Nintendrone]

@ Trisongs
Yes, I feel that there should be much softer limits on how many people are allowed into a clan. Divisions are the clan's sub-factions that are in various leagues, the starting leagues being singles and doubles.

@ ElectricCitrus
The All-Star tournament sounds good, so that can be the "season finale". Not too keen on the League one, though. Leagues compete in different formats, so making them compete against each other is awkward. Also, what made you decide to put the launch procedure as first-come instead of the more orderly nomination?
EDIT: How is the council to be decided? Also, I feel that elections should be every 4 seasons (1 year), and that council members must be reelected after serving for 8 seasons (2 years).

 

[Soul.]

Wouldn't it be a good idea if there was a simplier clan system? Like, I know you all are giving ideas, but having a simplier clan system makes it much better...I guess. This probably something we'll have to discuss when the game releases.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

Actually my clan system is incredibly simple, I'm currently refining and elaborating on my system. I'll attach the document when it is finished--which it will be in about a half-hour or so.

 

[Goten21]

I'm super excited for this! You could put together all sorts of strategies as a team (when playing 2 vs 2)

You'd help each other improve as well

You'd have to keep them small if you want them to be intimate, though

 

[Trisongs]

we might even be able to use an ambios but that is for a latter discussion for this system

 

[Souless_shadow]

Reading all these ideas are making me excited for when we can actually do this!

 

[ElectricCitrus]

Alright here it is, the first draft of the Citrus System. It's 11 pages of wonder, but there is always work to be done on it. Please read it fully!

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The Citrus-System

The governing-rules for the 3DS Competitive Smash Scene

Version 1.0























Written By:

Matthew “ElectricCitrus” Barker

Clans and Leagues


· In the Competitive Smash 3Ds scene there exists a hierarchy of leagues and clans, in the simplest of terms the leagues are the organization of the clans and the clans are the teams that compete within each league. How clans are ranked in leagues is based entirely on the performance of said clan. If a clan does exceptionally well during a season, then they will advance in their league’s rankings.

· Upon the completion of a season, the top clan will advance to the next league, while the bottom clan will drop to the league below them.

o How clans are ranked within their league is to be based on the average of the team’s performance at tournaments in the season.

§ The performance in a tournament is given a direct numerical rating based on the number of clans, or members, competing e.g. a placement of 1st in a tournament of seven will give that clan seven points, for being better than the other teams; likewise a placement of 7th will give the clan only one point for competing.

· Individual rankings will follow the same format, meaning a player who places first gets a converted point total of # of competitors he/she bested plus 1.

§ Once all the tournaments have been completed in a given season, the points are totaled up and averaged. Should a tie arise, the two clans who are tied will then have the performance of each member evaluated. The clan that has had the best performance on a member level will be allowed to advance to the next-highest league. In the unlikely event of a tie at the member level, the two clans will duke it out in a single-elimination tournament to establish who will advance.


o The amount of clans in a league will always be even, or as close to even as possible. Meaning that if one league has five clans then all the leagues MUST have at MINIMUM four. Should it arise that no leagues will be able to be even, or within a reasonable amount of evenness, then there will be a new league formed until they return to an even amount.


· In order for a clan to be formed the founder must meet two of the following four requirements:


§ Compete in more than two inner-clan tournaments, and one league tournament.

§ Must be ranked at least in the top 50% of their respective clan.

§ Must be a member of a clan for at least a season.

§ Must be in good standing with the 3DS Association’s Council, and the League they currently are in.

· Good standing is defined as: Having not been leveled more than three infractions during a season, and has not been caught cheating during an event.

o Cheating is defined as bracket-manipulation, misreporting of results, abusing glitches banned by the Association, and anything not mentioned that might draw into question the legitimacy of any tournament results, be they sets or overall.

o Upon the meeting of two of the four requirements, the clan founder will be granted permission by the 3DS Association to engage in one or more of the following:

§ Petition for membership in a league

§ Recruit members for their clan

§ Petition for League Organizer status

o In order for a clan to be granted access into a league, the clan must have at minimum eight members. Once this number is met they may petition for access into a league of their choice, however if the league of their choice is in a top-ranked position the clan must show exceptional skill.

§ Alternatively new clans may opt to be put into the lowest-level league. This is the default outcome if no petitioning is done within five days of clan formation.

o Should a clan drop below eight members, they will no longer be ranked in their league, but they will still be allowed to compete. If, by the end of the season in which the membership drops, the clan has not regained their members, and or has dropped to below six members they will be considered a dead clan.

o Dead clan’s cannot:

§ Compete in league tournaments

§ Be ranked

§ Have their captains nominated to join the League Organizers and 3DS Association Council

o A dead clan may be “revived” if the following conditions are met by the END of the next season.

§ Membership returns to 8 or above

§ Approval is gained through a 2/3 vote of the 3DS Association

§ The clan captain which caused the death of the clan is no longer captain

§ Clan agrees to be in the bottom league for their return season.

o Clan’s are lead by captains who are elected from within the clan through a two-part voting series:

§ Nominations and a vote to confirm three nominations

§ Final vote between the three nominees to select the captain.

o Captains remain in place until they fall out of good standing with the league—as defined by the good standing clause of the clan formation section—or until they retire.

§ Upon retiring, the process will begin but with one change: The retiring captain is given permission to nominate one member of the clan who is instantly placed in the second round of voting.

















League Organization and the 3DS Association

· The Leagues are lead by League Organizers, who are selected through a vote by all the clans within the league. In order to be nominated for League Organizer status, a participant must meet the following requirements:

§ Be in outstanding condition with the 3DS Association

· Outstanding condition is defined as having no-infractions leveled during a season, a life-time infraction count of below 5, and has never been found cheating.

§ Have shown dedication to their league by participating in a majority of tournaments

§ Have shown dedication to their clan by participating in a majority of clan tournaments

§ Is not currently the captain of a clan

o Once candidates are found that meet all of the above requirements, a vote will be held and the top two will be submitted to the Association for approval.

o League Organizers have the sole purpose of organizing their respective leagues, fulfilling any obligations that include, but are not limited to:

§ Organizing tournaments

§ Compiling accurate results

o League Organizers are changed every four seasons.

· The 3DS Association is made up of League Organizers who are voted in, an eligible League Organizer is anyone who meets the following categories

§ Outstanding condition

§ Dedication their league

o The purpose of the 3DS Association is to act as the supreme governing body of competitive Smash 3DS, and as such they retain all rights to form and alter rules as they see fit.

o Membership of the association is for life, or until good-service runs out.










Seasons and Required Tournaments

o Seasons are to last for a quarter of the year, or roughly 3 months; there are to be four seasons a year.

o Each season is to feature at minimum four league tournaments, and any number of cross-clan tournaments/inner-clan tournaments

§ In addition to the four required league tournaments, there will be an All-Star tournament held every two seasons. The All-Star tournament will consist of the top three players from each clan, and the top two players from each league. It will be played at the end of the second season, a two weeks prior to the beginning of the third season.

· Should the top two players from a league consist of any of the top three of a clan; adjustments additional players are to be added at the discretion of the League Organizer.








Tournament types

o The 3DS Association recognizes three types of tournaments for the purpose of rankings:

§ Cross-Clan tournaments, featuring clans within a League playing against other clans in the same league

§ Inner-Clan tournaments, tournaments played within a clan featuring only members from said clan

§ League tournaments, tournaments between two or more leagues

o The 3DS Association also recognizes the following events:

§ 1v1, or singles

§ 2v2, or doubles

§ low-tier tournaments e.g. those featuring character considered to be low-tier

o The following types of tournaments are not barred, but will not be counted for the purpose of rankings:

§ Cross-Clan tournaments, featuring clans from different leagues and not organized as a league tournament.

§ Inner-Clan tournaments, featuring players from both within and beyond said clan.

o In order for a tournament to be eligible, and considered for rankings it must not only meet the requirements previously stated but must also adhere to any rules currently accepted by the 3DS Association; this may include but is not limited to rules such as;

§ No-Items

§ Stage Bans

§ Character Bans

§ Glitch Abuses

§ Dave’s Stupid Rule

I couldn't upload the document so sorry about the weird formatting :/

 

[Number1MinunFan]

My Ideas for Leagues:
Singles
Doubles
Low-Tier Character Only Singles
Low-Tier Character Only Doubles
Customization Off/Beginner Leauge

 

[ElectricCitrus]

To help clarify leagues under the Citrus System, the leagues are ranked like in English Premier Soccer where the top league is consisted of the best of the best and so on.

Also I feel like events should not be leagues themselves but rather what leagues and clans decide to compete in/host.

 

[Soul.]

Alright here it is, the first draft of the Citrus System. It's 11 pages of wonder, but there is always work to be done on it. Please read it fully!

Spoiler

The Citrus-System

The governing-rules for the 3DS Competitive Smash Scene

Version 1.0

Written By:

Matthew “ElectricCitrus” Barker

Clans and Leagues


· In the Competitive Smash 3Ds scene there exists a hierarchy of leagues and clans, in the simplest of terms the leagues are the organization of the clans and the clans are the teams that compete within each league. How clans are ranked in leagues is based entirely on the performance of said clan. If a clan does exceptionally well during a season, then they will advance in their league’s rankings.

· Upon the completion of a season, the top clan will advance to the next league, while the bottom clan will drop to the league below them.

o How clans are ranked within their league is to be based on the average of the team’s performance at tournaments in the season.

§ The performance in a tournament is given a direct numerical rating based on the number of clans, or members, competing e.g. a placement of 1st in a tournament of seven will give that clan seven points, for being better than the other teams; likewise a placement of 7th will give the clan only one point for competing.

· Individual rankings will follow the same format, meaning a player who places first gets a converted point total of # of competitors he/she bested plus 1.

§ Once all the tournaments have been completed in a given season, the points are totaled up and averaged. Should a tie arise, the two clans who are tied will then have the performance of each member evaluated. The clan that has had the best performance on a member level will be allowed to advance to the next-highest league. In the unlikely event of a tie at the member level, the two clans will duke it out in a single-elimination tournament to establish who will advance.


o The amount of clans in a league will always be even, or as close to even as possible. Meaning that if one league has five clans then all the leagues MUST have at MINIMUM four. Should it arise that no leagues will be able to be even, or within a reasonable amount of evenness, then there will be a new league formed until they return to an even amount.


· In order for a clan to be formed the founder must meet two of the following four requirements:


§ Compete in more than two inner-clan tournaments, and one league tournament.

§ Must be ranked at least in the top 50% of their respective clan.

§ Must be a member of a clan for at least a season.

§ Must be in good standing with the 3DS Association’s Council, and the League they currently are in.

· Good standing is defined as: Having not been leveled more than three infractions during a season, and has not been caught cheating during an event.

o Cheating is defined as bracket-manipulation, misreporting of results, abusing glitches banned by the Association, and anything not mentioned that might draw into question the legitimacy of any tournament results, be they sets or overall.

o Upon the meeting of two of the four requirements, the clan founder will be granted permission by the 3DS Association to engage in one or more of the following:

§ Petition for membership in a league

§ Recruit members for their clan

§ Petition for League Organizer status

o In order for a clan to be granted access into a league, the clan must have at minimum eight members. Once this number is met they may petition for access into a league of their choice, however if the league of their choice is in a top-ranked position the clan must show exceptional skill.

§ Alternatively new clans may opt to be put into the lowest-level league. This is the default outcome if no petitioning is done within five days of clan formation.

o Should a clan drop below eight members, they will no longer be ranked in their league, but they will still be allowed to compete. If, by the end of the season in which the membership drops, the clan has not regained their members, and or has dropped to below six members they will be considered a dead clan.

o Dead clan’s cannot:

§ Compete in league tournaments

§ Be ranked

§ Have their captains nominated to join the League Organizers and 3DS Association Council

o A dead clan may be “revived” if the following conditions are met by the END of the next season.

§ Membership returns to 8 or above

§ Approval is gained through a 2/3 vote of the 3DS Association

§ The clan captain which caused the death of the clan is no longer captain

§ Clan agrees to be in the bottom league for their return season.

o Clan’s are lead by captains who are elected from within the clan through a two-part voting series:

§ Nominations and a vote to confirm three nominations

§ Final vote between the three nominees to select the captain.

o Captains remain in place until they fall out of good standing with the league—as defined by the good standing clause of the clan formation section—or until they retire.

§ Upon retiring, the process will begin but with one change: The retiring captain is given permission to nominate one member of the clan who is instantly placed in the second round of voting.



League Organization and the 3DS Association

· The Leagues are lead by League Organizers, who are selected through a vote by all the clans within the league. In order to be nominated for League Organizer status, a participant must meet the following requirements:

§ Be in outstanding condition with the 3DS Association

· Outstanding condition is defined as having no-infractions leveled during a season, a life-time infraction count of below 5, and has never been found cheating.

§ Have shown dedication to their league by participating in a majority of tournaments

§ Have shown dedication to their clan by participating in a majority of clan tournaments

§ Is not currently the captain of a clan

o Once candidates are found that meet all of the above requirements, a vote will be held and the top two will be submitted to the Association for approval.

o League Organizers have the sole purpose of organizing their respective leagues, fulfilling any obligations that include, but are not limited to:

§ Organizing tournaments

§ Compiling accurate results

o League Organizers are changed every four seasons.

· The 3DS Association is made up of League Organizers who are voted in, an eligible League Organizer is anyone who meets the following categories

§ Outstanding condition

§ Dedication their league

o The purpose of the 3DS Association is to act as the supreme governing body of competitive Smash 3DS, and as such they retain all rights to form and alter rules as they see fit.

o Membership of the association is for life, or until good-service runs out.


Seasons and Required Tournaments

o Seasons are to last for a quarter of the year, or roughly 3 months; there are to be four seasons a year.

o Each season is to feature at minimum four league tournaments, and any number of cross-clan tournaments/inner-clan tournaments

§ In addition to the four required league tournaments, there will be an All-Star tournament held every two seasons. The All-Star tournament will consist of the top three players from each clan, and the top two players from each league. It will be played at the end of the second season, a two weeks prior to the beginning of the third season.

· Should the top two players from a league consist of any of the top three of a clan; adjustments additional players are to be added at the discretion of the League Organizer.


Tournament types

o The 3DS Association recognizes three types of tournaments for the purpose of rankings:

§ Cross-Clan tournaments, featuring clans within a League playing against other clans in the same league

§ Inner-Clan tournaments, tournaments played within a clan featuring only members from said clan

§ League tournaments, tournaments between two or more leagues

o The 3DS Association also recognizes the following events:

§ 1v1, or singles

§ 2v2, or doubles

§ low-tier tournaments e.g. those featuring character considered to be low-tier

o The following types of tournaments are not barred, but will not be counted for the purpose of rankings:

§ Cross-Clan tournaments, featuring clans from different leagues and not organized as a league tournament.

§ Inner-Clan tournaments, featuring players from both within and beyond said clan.

o In order for a tournament to be eligible, and considered for rankings it must not only meet the requirements previously stated but must also adhere to any rules currently accepted by the 3DS Association; this may include but is not limited to rules such as;

§ No-Items

§ Stage Bans

§ Character Bans

§ Glitch Abuses

§ Dave’s Stupid Rule

I couldn't upload the document so sorry about the weird formatting :/

By "glitch abusing", you're saying advanced techniques like Pikachu's Quick Attack cancel are banned, right? Because if it is, it would hurt the character a lot in terms of mobility.
This system is fine. I still think we're all going to discuss this when the 3DS version is out. That way, we could plan on doing a system like this one, or any other one.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

Glitch abusing means like infinite grabs or the ic freeze glitch. Anythung that renders a set unplayable. I think we shouldn't wait for the game to launch except for specific rules. We need to hit the ground running to get the most out of the scene.

 

[PingPongCop]

Let me lay down the options for launch:

1. First come, first served. Anyone who's quick enough can form a clan until there's an adequate number of clans.
2. Nomination. The community votes for interested users and top (insert #) users may form clans.
3. Competition. A tournament of all interested users is held, and the top (insert #) users may form clans.

I'm in favor of #'s one and three.

 

[Trisongs]

Let me lay down the options for launch:

1. First come, first served. Anyone who's quick enough can form a clan until there's an adequate number of clans.
2. Nomination. The community votes for interested users and top (insert #) users may form clans.
3. Competition. A tournament of all interested users is held, and the top (insert #) users may form clans.

I personally like option two but then just offer reelections after each season(but players could only vote for people in their group). Once again I feel like there should only be three groups(lets call them red,blue, and green right now because of the 3ds trailer

 

[ElectricCitrus]

Three groups doesn't allow for growth that doesn't eventually reach a point of being impossible to efficiently and effectively manage. :/ imo

 

[Number1MinunFan]

Alright here it is, the first draft of the Citrus System. It's 11 pages of wonder, but there is always work to be done on it. Please read it fully!

Spoiler

The Citrus-System

The governing-rules for the 3DS Competitive Smash Scene

Version 1.0























Written By:

Matthew “ElectricCitrus” Barker

Clans and Leagues


· In the Competitive Smash 3Ds scene there exists a hierarchy of leagues and clans, in the simplest of terms the leagues are the organization of the clans and the clans are the teams that compete within each league. How clans are ranked in leagues is based entirely on the performance of said clan. If a clan does exceptionally well during a season, then they will advance in their league’s rankings.

· Upon the completion of a season, the top clan will advance to the next league, while the bottom clan will drop to the league below them.

o How clans are ranked within their league is to be based on the average of the team’s performance at tournaments in the season.

§ The performance in a tournament is given a direct numerical rating based on the number of clans, or members, competing e.g. a placement of 1st in a tournament of seven will give that clan seven points, for being better than the other teams; likewise a placement of 7th will give the clan only one point for competing.

· Individual rankings will follow the same format, meaning a player who places first gets a converted point total of # of competitors he/she bested plus 1.

§ Once all the tournaments have been completed in a given season, the points are totaled up and averaged. Should a tie arise, the two clans who are tied will then have the performance of each member evaluated. The clan that has had the best performance on a member level will be allowed to advance to the next-highest league. In the unlikely event of a tie at the member level, the two clans will duke it out in a single-elimination tournament to establish who will advance.


o The amount of clans in a league will always be even, or as close to even as possible. Meaning that if one league has five clans then all the leagues MUST have at MINIMUM four. Should it arise that no leagues will be able to be even, or within a reasonable amount of evenness, then there will be a new league formed until they return to an even amount.


· In order for a clan to be formed the founder must meet two of the following four requirements:


§ Compete in more than two inner-clan tournaments, and one league tournament.

§ Must be ranked at least in the top 50% of their respective clan.

§ Must be a member of a clan for at least a season.

§ Must be in good standing with the 3DS Association’s Council, and the League they currently are in.

· Good standing is defined as: Having not been leveled more than three infractions during a season, and has not been caught cheating during an event.

o Cheating is defined as bracket-manipulation, misreporting of results, abusing glitches banned by the Association, and anything not mentioned that might draw into question the legitimacy of any tournament results, be they sets or overall.

o Upon the meeting of two of the four requirements, the clan founder will be granted permission by the 3DS Association to engage in one or more of the following:

§ Petition for membership in a league

§ Recruit members for their clan

§ Petition for League Organizer status

o In order for a clan to be granted access into a league, the clan must have at minimum eight members. Once this number is met they may petition for access into a league of their choice, however if the league of their choice is in a top-ranked position the clan must show exceptional skill.

§ Alternatively new clans may opt to be put into the lowest-level league. This is the default outcome if no petitioning is done within five days of clan formation.

o Should a clan drop below eight members, they will no longer be ranked in their league, but they will still be allowed to compete. If, by the end of the season in which the membership drops, the clan has not regained their members, and or has dropped to below six members they will be considered a dead clan.

o Dead clan’s cannot:

§ Compete in league tournaments

§ Be ranked

§ Have their captains nominated to join the League Organizers and 3DS Association Council

o A dead clan may be “revived” if the following conditions are met by the END of the next season.

§ Membership returns to 8 or above

§ Approval is gained through a 2/3 vote of the 3DS Association

§ The clan captain which caused the death of the clan is no longer captain

§ Clan agrees to be in the bottom league for their return season.

o Clan’s are lead by captains who are elected from within the clan through a two-part voting series:

§ Nominations and a vote to confirm three nominations

§ Final vote between the three nominees to select the captain.

o Captains remain in place until they fall out of good standing with the league—as defined by the good standing clause of the clan formation section—or until they retire.

§ Upon retiring, the process will begin but with one change: The retiring captain is given permission to nominate one member of the clan who is instantly placed in the second round of voting.

















League Organization and the 3DS Association

· The Leagues are lead by League Organizers, who are selected through a vote by all the clans within the league. In order to be nominated for League Organizer status, a participant must meet the following requirements:

§ Be in outstanding condition with the 3DS Association

· Outstanding condition is defined as having no-infractions leveled during a season, a life-time infraction count of below 5, and has never been found cheating.

§ Have shown dedication to their league by participating in a majority of tournaments

§ Have shown dedication to their clan by participating in a majority of clan tournaments

§ Is not currently the captain of a clan

o Once candidates are found that meet all of the above requirements, a vote will be held and the top two will be submitted to the Association for approval.

o League Organizers have the sole purpose of organizing their respective leagues, fulfilling any obligations that include, but are not limited to:

§ Organizing tournaments

§ Compiling accurate results

o League Organizers are changed every four seasons.

· The 3DS Association is made up of League Organizers who are voted in, an eligible League Organizer is anyone who meets the following categories

§ Outstanding condition

§ Dedication their league

o The purpose of the 3DS Association is to act as the supreme governing body of competitive Smash 3DS, and as such they retain all rights to form and alter rules as they see fit.

o Membership of the association is for life, or until good-service runs out.










Seasons and Required Tournaments

o Seasons are to last for a quarter of the year, or roughly 3 months; there are to be four seasons a year.

o Each season is to feature at minimum four league tournaments, and any number of cross-clan tournaments/inner-clan tournaments

§ In addition to the four required league tournaments, there will be an All-Star tournament held every two seasons. The All-Star tournament will consist of the top three players from each clan, and the top two players from each league. It will be played at the end of the second season, a two weeks prior to the beginning of the third season.

· Should the top two players from a league consist of any of the top three of a clan; adjustments additional players are to be added at the discretion of the League Organizer.








Tournament types

o The 3DS Association recognizes three types of tournaments for the purpose of rankings:

§ Cross-Clan tournaments, featuring clans within a League playing against other clans in the same league

§ Inner-Clan tournaments, tournaments played within a clan featuring only members from said clan

§ League tournaments, tournaments between two or more leagues

o The 3DS Association also recognizes the following events:

§ 1v1, or singles

§ 2v2, or doubles

§ low-tier tournaments e.g. those featuring character considered to be low-tier

o The following types of tournaments are not barred, but will not be counted for the purpose of rankings:

§ Cross-Clan tournaments, featuring clans from different leagues and not organized as a league tournament.

§ Inner-Clan tournaments, featuring players from both within and beyond said clan.

o In order for a tournament to be eligible, and considered for rankings it must not only meet the requirements previously stated but must also adhere to any rules currently accepted by the 3DS Association; this may include but is not limited to rules such as;

§ No-Items

§ Stage Bans

§ Character Bans

§ Glitch Abuses

§ Dave’s Stupid Rule

I couldn't upload the document so sorry about the weird formatting :/

I support these rules

 

[Number1MinunFan]

Let me lay down the options for launch:

1. First come, first served. Anyone who's quick enough can form a clan until there's an adequate number of clans.
2. Nomination. The community votes for interested users and top (insert #) users may form clans.
3. Competition. A tournament of all interested users is held, and the top (insert #) users may form clans.

Number 2 would probably be the most effective.