Setting Up Our Online Smash Boards 3DS Tournament Teams

[Number1MinunFan]

Okay, for those interested in the idea of clans I want your suggestions as to how you'd like them implemented.

For example, I could host things like clan crew battles every month, and rank the clans based on who is winning, or even manage a clan tournament of sorts. I could allow for special forums that can only be accessed by members of their respective clans as well, and even allow people to display a badge for their clan loyalty under their user name.

Does that sound cool to you guys? What kinds of events would you want, and how would you like me to structure these clans?

Does that mean 2v2 Tournaments ?

 

[LiteralGrill]

Does that mean 2v2 Tournaments ?

Sure, why not?

 

[ChikoLad]

Just so I'm clear on what the OP question is - do you mean an overall 3DS Smashboards team to represent the site as a whole in online tournaments, or do you mean just a Smashboards online tournament scene in general, where everyone makes their own teams?

Because I actually don't like the former idea. Firstly, it assumes that there would be other sites with dedicated teams to go up against. Secondly, it's closed off.

I believe individual members setting up their own teams and then trying to make a scene out of that would be much better and be healthier for an online tournament scene. Having "the Smashboards team" is demotivating, and sets a definite, constant ranking of who the best players on the site are. Even if that's not the intention of the team, and even if those players aren't necessarily the best 3DS players on Smashboards, they will inevitably be perceived this way. This in turn will demotivate a lot of people, because in their mind, the Smashboards 3DS Team will be the players they can never top, no matter how well they play. So being the top player will feel impossible to anyone outside of that team.

However, we could hold an annual thing or something where Smashboards players go against players of other big sites or organisations, provided the scene gets big enough. This would be done by re-forming a new team every year, which could be decided based on the players who perform the best in tournaments officially recognised by Smashboards every single year. It gives every individual player a chance to shine in the spotlight, but doesn't set a constant, near impossible to beat bar for people to never be able to beat.

 

[Trisongs]

I think the idea was to break up the smash board community up into groups/factions/clans what ever you want to call it.

Also regarding size I think the bigger and fewer and bigger the number of groups the better. I also think older members, those who have stuck with the smash series should form those factions or have multiple leaders for each group. All of these are ideas so every thing I say is up in the air

 

[Number1MinunFan]

Sure, why not?

The thread said Team, so I wasnt sure if you mean Singles or Doubles

 

[Soul.]

There doesn't need to be a team with the "best" Smashboards players. It would demotivate a lot of members if it was this way.
If the clan leader can make a thread about their clan, and they get members, it can work this way. Other sites will do the same, their members will make threads for their clans, get members and then do a clan match. There can also be clan matches of the same site, for example, there's two clan threads on Smashboards, members join, and then talk to them so they can do the match. If it can't work this way, then there can be other sites for this. I think these type of matches will be in Team Battles, since clans are supposed to have members teaming up. 1 vs. 1 matches are still possible, but we'll see.

 

[LiteralGrill]

I'm very much up to the idea of clan crew battles, crew battles can be quite hype and with intelligent counterpicking even weaker teams can manage to beat stronger ones keep that demotivation factor down.

Definitely don't want site vs site battles. People did that (despite me telling them not to) for PSASBR once and since there was no neutral ground to host them on people claimed bias all the time for ref decisions and such and it just made people hate each other. Clans made on a site with groups of players would be better.

 

[Nstinct]

Clans sounds fun and better than site vs site. Like I said Smashboards is kind of a central for all things smash so to have the central vs less popular sites doesn't sound all that fun, clan vs clan could be a lot more interesting.

 

[Souless_shadow]

I really like the idea of clan battles!

 

[LiteralGrill]

Well a lot of people are certainly interested in clans, I'll put work in to be sure it can happen then. I can make the tools to make it easier and such and host the competitions when necessary. Sounds good to me!

 

[Deleted member]

Clan vs clans is interesting, we'll see how that'll play out. Though, Mario Kart normally has 8 players in one race, so how are we going to translate stuff like clans to 4 players (SSB3DS) online?

 

[Soul.]

Clan vs clans is interesting, we'll see how that'll play out. Though, Mario Kart normally has 8 players in one race, so how are we going to translate stuff like clans to 4 players (SSB3DS) online?

Well, 4 players can play normally, while the other 4 players play on the next round. As each clan wins or loses, they post their points while they're preparing for the next match. If this doesn't happen for some reason, then the 4 players will play in every round until a clan wins.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, 4 players can play normally, while the other 4 players play on the next round. As each clan wins or loses, they post their points while they're preparing for the next match. If this doesn't happen for some reason, then the 4 players will play in every round until a clan wins.

You mean by ''posting their points'' as in total points? I see. Great idea though.

 

[LiteralGrill]

And as said before, you could always use a crew battle format for clans which would work easily enough.

 

[PingPongCop]

I was thinking with Clan battles, since there will be around 10 people on each clan, we would do one on one battles with each member and the clan with the most battles wins!

 

[my ssb tag is kaos]

I was thinking with Clan battles, since there will be around 10 people on each clan, we would do one on one battles with each member and the clan with the most battles wins!

That's the idea I was thinking of.

 

[Nintendrone]

This sounds very interesting. Clans sounds like the best option. Maybe there should be some guidelines when adding members to a clan so that the top players don't saturate a single clan. Maybe the best players become team captains?

 

[Soul.]

I was thinking with Clan battles, since there will be around 10 people on each clan, we would do one on one battles with each member and the clan with the most battles wins!

1 vs. 1 matches may be possible for clan matches, but isn't the concept of clans that members help each other? I'm not saying 1 vs. 1 matches are impossible to do in clan battles, they would be useful if both clans have the same points so that one of them wins. You're right on clans having around 10+ players, though.
@ Nintendrone : Do you have any ideas on what would those guidelines be? The best players being team captains does sound likely.

 

[Nintendrone]

@ Nintendrone : Do you have any ideas on what would those guidelines be? The best players being team captains does sound likely.

Perhaps every so often, a new "season" starts, and the ladder is reset. At the beginning of a new season, the players who performed the best will become team captains, and there can be a limit to the number of captains per clan (probably just 1 or 2). This prevents the best players from dominating the ladder because they all flocked to the same clan. Captains could be determined via various methods, such as by total points throughout the season or a dedicated round-robin tournament.

 

[PingPongCop]

1 vs. 1 matches may be possible for clan matches, but isn't the concept of clans that members help each other? I'm not saying 1 vs. 1 matches are impossible to do in clan battles, they would be useful if both clans have the same points so that one of them wins. You're right on clans having around 10+ players, though.
@ Nintendrone : Do you have any ideas on what would those guidelines be? The best players being team captains does sound likely.

Well, yes, but when it comes to individual skill, that's where this system comes in. Clan members are supposed to help each other by training, not by assisting in matches.

 

[Soul.]

Well, yes, but when it comes to individual skill, that's where this system comes in. Clan members are supposed to help each other by training, not by assisting in matches.

Well, in that case, I can see 1 vs. 1 matches on clan matches. Now that I get it, crew/clan battles have been 1 vs. 1 before, so you're right about that. Team Battles on clans could still be a possibility, if both clans agree on doing the matches that way.
Again, we'll see when the game releases.

 

[Deleted member]

We should make Team Battles / Doubles between clans, as in 2v2 battles. That'd be another great option. For doubles, I think the rule set would be 10 minutes of time, 5 stock, and no items (they could be in as optional). 10+ clan members is the way to go.

 

[Soul.]

We should make Team Battles / Doubles between clans, as in 2v2 battles. That'd be another great option. For doubles, I think the rule set would be 10 minutes of time, 5 stock, and no items (they could be in as optional). 10+ clan members is the way to go.

I agree with you on this, we should have 2 vs. 2 clan battles. The main ones will be 1 vs. 1, I'm not sure if the others will agree on having Team Battles with 10 minutes and 5 stocks.

 

[Number1MinunFan]

I think Clans could have 4 members,1 member to represent the Clan in 1v1 Tournaments,1 Member to Represent the clan in 1v1 Low-Tier Character only Tournaments,and 2 members in 2v2 Tournaments.

 

[Pokechu]

Personally, I think that this would be a great idea! It'd help those people who need people to play Smash with, with is a chunk of this site. 10 to 25 members for a clan seems like a good range, because then most of the time at least SOMEONE would be online.

I'd be so stoked to see total clan battles. I mean, one complete clan against another. Maybe the 2v2 structure for it, and when one clan wins, they get a special trophy to put under their avatar or something. It seems like it'd take a while, but it'd seem like barrels of fun!

And the idea of helping both your fellow pupils and yourself at the same time seems fun, too! Count me in immediately! o uo

 

[LiteralGrill]

I'd be so stoked to see total clan battles. I mean, one complete clan against another. Maybe the 2v2 structure for it, and when one clan wins, they get a special trophy to put under their avatar or something. It seems like it'd take a while, but it'd seem like barrels of fun!

The site I'm working on with its tools could certainly allow trophies under user names and things like that as rewards for winning events (I was already planning on it actually).

And the idea of helping both your fellow pupils and yourself at the same time seems fun, too! Count me in immediately! o uo

This may be the best part, clans could be a great way for players to tutor other players and everyone get stronger. Makes our community better at its core!

 

[Number1MinunFan]

In case this helps for organization purposes:
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-3ds-clan-sign-up-thread.361201/

 

[LiteralGrill]

In case this helps for organization purposes:
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-3ds-clan-sign-up-thread.361201/

Again, probably a bit early for this. Plus I'll have some tools to make it easier then just having one thread here.

 

[Nintendrone]

We'll definitely need some sort of game plan before setting up this system. This is my idea of it:

The system

• The board is organized into various Clans, led by the respective Captains.
• Clans compete among each other in various formats, and are graded based the performance of all its members.
• Clan members may function as mentors, sparring buddies, partners, etc. in order to help their Clan win.
• After a set period of time, or "Season", is up, the Clans are ranked and a winning team is declared.
• The individual players who performed the best during the Season become Captains, meaning that they may become either the new leader of their old Clan or form a new Clan.

Breaking it down

• Prior to the first Season starting, a (preferably round-robin) tournament is held. The best players will become Captains and must each form a Clan that they lead.
• Any user may join a Clan with the permission of the Captain. Captains will be encouraged to try to maintain some sort relative balance on how many members the Clans have.
• After Clans are created, the Season begins.
• Members of a Clan are encouraged to practice together, mentor among themselves, etc. to help make every member an asset throughout the Season's battles.
• Throughout the Season, the Clans will battle numerous times. The format would resemble tournament rules, being mostly singles, but also doubles and crew battles. Based on how they do, they are awarded points.
• At the end of the Season, the individual players who did the best become the new Captains. The Captains can stick with their old Clan or form a new one. Previous Captains are not maintained unless they qualify again. The cycle continues.

Would something like this be good for the clans? If so, feedback is appreciated.

 

[Number1MinunFan]

Again, probably a bit early for this. Plus I'll have some tools to make it easier then just having one thread here.

Yeah thats fine as long as we have organization we can do this whenever.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Yeah thats fine as long as we have organization we can do this whenever.

It will be, we're VERY close to being able to launch it all

 

[「 Derk 」]

Both Capps and myself have been working for the past week getting everything set up for you guys. I don't want to spoil anything just yet since we are not 100% done, but I am sure you guys will enjoy what we have coming for the 3ds community. Throwing ideas like these on the thread is great since it gives us more things to add that we may have missed or didn't think about! Would people like to see ranking among clans? I think we could make that possible if the demand is there from the community. Also if you guys have more ideas please post them.

Edit: I just finished adding a ranking system. Since a lot were interested in it already I went ahead and made one.

 

[cnkern]

I would like this.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

The idea of clans and teams interests me, because it creates a unique method of TOing for Smash 3ds. No longer are we constricted to region boundaries thanks to wi-fi. My only question is, how long would a "season" be for the purpose of declaring the best clan? Would it be a perpetual season with clans shifting places constantly? I admit I haven't read the whole thread, so if these questions got answered already somebody feel free to point it out.

 

[Trisongs]

Nintendron I like your ideas buy regarding the leader system, I think it is a little risky but it could be rewarding. My only fear is that some groups will not get strong or even dedicated leader. A possible alternative might be have the top people who show leadership or possibly have a vote for the top 5 or so the group gets to chose who leads(while also having skill).

Also I would urge against straying groups apart, after awhile I see players slowly leaving the community and it would probably be best to have the groups the strongest they could be when that time comes.

Do not take me wrong I do like the ideas you presented though nice job.

 

[PingPongCop]

Nintendron I like your ideas buy regarding the leader system, I think it is a little risky but it could be rewarding. My only fear is that some groups will not get strong or even dedicated leader. A possible alternative might be have the top people who show leadership or possibly have a vote for the top 5 or so the group gets to chose who leads(while also having skill).

Also I would urge against straying groups apart, after awhile I see players slowly leaving the community and it would probably be best to have the groups the strongest they could be when that time comes.

Do not take me wrong I do like the ideas you presented though nice job.

About the "not dedicated or strong leader" thing, we could edit it to where clan leaders are removed after 2 weeks of inactivity, but the leader has a right to start a vote on whether the members want him back if he returns. Maybe a bit complicated, though...

 

[ElectricCitrus]

I think clans should have total say in who gets elected their leader, then that leader serves until they retire or the clan thinks they are no longer doing an adequate job. An adequate job would be a set of rules all the clans agree to that act as guidelines for the captains.

When a captain retires from the scene, the clan gets to vote for a new leader through a process of nominations and voting. The clan leader gets the special privilege of nominating someone who doesn't need to be voted on to confirm the nomination?

EDIT: Basically it'd be a series of two votes:
1.) vote on the nominations to confirm them
2.) vote on the confirmed nominations for new clan leader

 

[PingPongCop]

I think clans should have total say in who gets elected their leader, then that leader serves until they retire or the clan thinks they are no longer doing an adequate job. An adequate job would be a set of rules all the clans agree to that act as guidelines for the captains.

When a captain retires from the scene, the clan gets to vote for a new leader through a process of nominations and voting. The clan leader gets the special privilege of nominating someone who doesn't need to be voted on to confirm the nomination?

EDIT: Basically it'd be a series of two votes:
1.) vote on the nominations to confirm them
2.) vote on the confirmed nominations for new clan leader

^ Or this could work ^

 

[ElectricCitrus]

Essentially I think clans would work if they are as democratic as possible, and I think the whole league will work better if it's organized and every clan has a say in the rules and guidelines for behavior. Now the question is, how many clans do we have in the league and do we have multiple leagues?

(Also do we even call the organizations of clans leagues?)

 

[Number1MinunFan]

It will be, we're VERY close to being able to launch it all

Thats awesome, I think this will also help new people trying to get on the scene.