[Serious] Tier list (order of characters only, Dreamland-based)

[KoRoBeNiKi]

I don't care where she gets placed, or if luigi gets placed last, it's not like being placed higher gives you buffs. Just saying Samus has some tough matchups and this is coming from some one who dedicated their samus play. Even tho I switched to luigi, I still main samus, and vsing top pika, kirby, falcon, fox and Yoshi players is a giant uphill battle

and Luigi has similar matchup problems. I mean, at least there have been Samuses (Sameyes?) who have won these matchups. Like Cobr vs. Greginator or Jaime vs. a bunch of people.

 

[caneut]

scroll up caneut YOU brought isai up.

yes and you brought up jouske and i was making a comparison. just like isai showing us link can get 2nd in a major, jouske can show us samus can win too, under the right hands. neither of which are reasons why they should move anywhere in the tier list.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

If no one demonstrates that a character is good, then a character does not rise. It's not just Isai or Jousuke (who is playing a completely different smash in case anyone here is forgetting,) it's the combination of him + the rest of the other people using said character.

People wouldn't be putting Fox nearly as high if Zenyore and especially LD were not getting that high a placement. People said Fox sucks on Dreamland but then nope these guys did exactly what was needed to put Fox where he probably should be. There are tons of Yoshi mains now getting top 16 if not higher. Thank you Wizzrobe and Tacos for those placements. It's no longer just Sheer and a few others at most.

---- Relation to not 64 below, forgive the "other" intrusion. -----------

I know this is a different smash game but Jigglypuff went from low tier at best to mid and then is now one of the top 8 in melee due to Mango/HBox alone. Jigglypuff was in fact put on top in a super old April Fools list and people could tell it was April Fools due to that placement more than anything.

Peach was bad before Armada. Yoshi was low-tier before aMSa. Sonic/Olimar/ZSS did the same in barlw thanks to their mains.

-----All other smash games aside----

The tier list is a perspective on how characters are doing and eliminating the fact that Isai won the then biggest NTSC-U smash tournament at that point with Jigglypuff of all characters with only dropping 2 games (1 to Dex and 1 to Moyashi) shows that Jiggs has potential. It's not just Isai. I mean he has lost tournaments before and he has lost games. It's not like "hey, my opponent is Isai, therefore I have 0% chance of winning."

And likewise, if a character is losing representation, the character is going down. If a character has no representation, the metagame for said character stagnates. There are barely any good Ness users anymore for example. Most Falcon mains don't primarily use Falcon. Hey, look who dropped.

 

[Synesthesia]

Samus is actually not to bad. Her recovery is pretty decent, and with enough patience, and good reads, she can do work in certain match-ups. It's not a character I ever see getting top 5 or even top 10 at a big tournament, but it really does all depend on the player, and the player she's matched up against.

 

[sextc]

I don't care where she gets placed, or if luigi gets placed last, it's not like being placed higher gives you buffs. Just saying Samus has some tough matchups and this is coming from some one who dedicated their samus play. Even tho I switched to luigi, I still main samus, and vsing top pika, kirby, falcon, fox and Yoshi players is a giant uphill battle

Most, if not all of the characters below her are matchups that are in her favor. Even her matchups vs the two above her (jiggs,mario) I'd wager are in her favor as well.

 

[Cedricwa]

When is this closing? For the final result are you going to just average all the realistic lists?

 

[Dabura]

 

[The Star King]

Ending this on March _th

voting started April 2nd which means only Isai's vote, which was made before this thread, counts. Koro conned you all. get pwned scrubs

 

[Minwu]

can i change my list?


minwu
minwu
1. Pika
2. Fox
3. Falcon
4. Yoshi
5. Kirby
6. Mario
7. Puff
8. Luigi
9. Samus
10. DK
11. Link
12. Ness


edit - holy **** oops

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

can i change my list?


minwu
minwu
1. Pika
2. Fox
3. Falcon
4. Yoshi
5. Kirby
6. Mario
7. Puff
8. Luigi
9. Samus
10. DK
11. Link
12. Ness


edit - holy **** oops

I would but

lol oops

 

[|Czar|]

As LD did, the brackets show interchangeability among the characters within such intervals:

Top Tier
1) {Kirby
2) Pikachu }


High Tier
3) {Yoshi
4) Fox
5) Falcon }


Mid Tier
6) {Jigglypuff
7) Mario }
8) Luigi


Low Tier
9) DK
10) Samus
11) {Ness
12) Link }

 

[MasterSplinter]

Is this poll done? For statistical reasons I'd be curious just to do a perusal of recent tournaments results and come back with tournament based results (and try to fix the skew that Isai can rek anybody with any character)

(which is a joke, but in recent apex's he has been dominant with mid-tier characters...)

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

The poll is done as per the new tier list being posted.

But thanks for your list Czar.

 

[Minwu]

where can the new tier list be found?

 

[Technical_Knockout]

get out of this thread & scroll to the bottom...

 

[Daniel Mears]

Pika
Fox
kirby
falcon
yoshi
jiggs
mario
Samus
Ness
DK
Link
Weegee

 

[Meister Zeigler]

The Link downplay is real!

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

The Link downplay is real!

Honestly
Link Smash 64> Melee Link, Brawl Link, Sm4sh Link
He's really fun and has a great array of combos and utilities, but struggles in some ways, how bout you main him and try to raise him like how I'm trying to do with luigi?

 

[Raize]

Smashboards: Raize
1. Pikachu
2. Captain Falcon
3. Fox
4. Yoshi
5. Luigi
6. Jigglypuff
7. Link
8. Mario
9. Ness
10. Donkey Kong
11. Samus
12. Kirby (Sorry, i suck at Kirby)

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Smashboards: Raize
1. Pikachu
2. Captain Falcon
3. Fox
4. Yoshi
5. Luigi
6. Jigglypuff
7. Link
8. Mario
9. Ness
10. Donkey Kong
11. Samus
12. Kirby (Sorry, i suck at Kirby)

It's not who you are personally bad with. Also the poll is over

I think I'll go ask a mod to close this, there isn't anymore voting. @Madao