Sephiroth and cloud 4 brawl

[vesperview]

You guys are flaming him for being a nintendo fanboy when this is Smash Bros?
GTFO -.-

No, we're flaming him for saying that all of the recent Square games on Nintendo are better than Final Fantasy VII to XII, which is a big fat lie and everyone knows that and saying that Nintendo is a sellout for having third parties in the game because it is only a big pile NINTENDO nostalgia.

 

[susu_atari]

If any Square character gets in, it should be Crono. There is no argument.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

No, just...no.

I admit, Cloud does have somewhat of a chance, but it's a microscopic one. If there's a FF character, it's probably going to be someone like Black Mage.

I personally hate Cloud. He's just another stupid, overused cardboard angsty pretty-boy. Yes, I have played FF7, and within the first few hours, got bored and went back to Earthbound. Way too full of plotholes and pointless cinematics.

 

[tirkaro]

I personally hate Cloud. He's just another stupid, overused cardboard angsty pretty-boy.

even though I'm not a full supporter of cloud, I've still yet to see a proper arguement against him other than "he's overrated"

 

[Silent_Hill_Crossing]

even though I'm not a full supporter of cloud, I've still yet to see a proper arguement against him other than "he's overrated"

The problem I see is, most any other swordsman from FF series can do what Cloud can do. Although I'm sure someone will argue he isn't generic but to be truthful he is. FFX4/5 had about the same story and amnesia ridden hero.

But really most people who fully support Cloud are just big fans of FF7, not of the said character. TBQH.

Let's not add Cloud is when SE betrayed Nintendo, and I'm doubting Nintendo wants bad memories of certain events in their games.

A Black Mage/etc. I could see.

 

[vesperview]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=83334

Why don't you people read this before thinking Black Mage, Mog and Cactuar have a chance!

 

[CT Chia]

this thread is made with all sorts of fail.
and this is coming from the person whose favorite game of all time is ff7, with no doubts about it

 

[Rakath]

even though I'm not a full supporter of cloud, I've still yet to see a proper arguement against him other than "he's overrated"

The arguement against Cloud is pretty much the same as the Arguement against Street Fighter cast. There are more apropriate options:

Cloud only appears on Nintendo systems in Chain of Memories. If a CoM character would show its Sora (not Cloud)
In the FF cast range, we have FF1-6 (all S/NES releases and GBA/DS rereleases) with their own cast that should get priority as they appear on Nintendo systems.
Dragon Quest has a crossover with Mario, giving them an edge as well.
And finally Chrono Trigger and its hero shouldn't be forgotten.

 

[Silent_Hill_Crossing]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=83334

Why don't you people read this before thinking Black Mage, Mog and Cactuar have a chance!

Black Mage fits as a high icon to video gaming, and fits just as much as Cloud does.

1) Black Mage is the face of MANY gaming magical classes. (Originated in FF) -the ones with the straw hat

2)That class of characters (Black Mage) has been in almost every FF known to date, and is well known for being the class of magic, more so than the White mage.

3) Cloud may be an icon, but not being known for any original skills beyond what has already existed isn't iconic in the sense of common iconic characters, more so to being in a praised game.

4) Black Mage has as many possible MS/attacks as Cloud.

The rest I agree a Mog, or Cactuar could never be in as a PC.

 

[vesperview]

I'll quote myself to show why I think Cloud is a terrible idea for Brawl:

True but it would still be embarrassing to Nintendo in the trophy section to have Cloud and then in the square in the bottom to say: first appearance Final Fantasy VII, PlayStation

Plus I always felt FFVII was a slap in the face to Nintendo, because the N64 would have never be able to have FFVII the way we saw it in PlayStation.

You can't deny that!

Black Mage fits as a high icon to video gaming, and fits just as much as Cloud does.

1) Black Mage is the face of MANY gaming magical classes. (Originated in FF) -the ones with the straw hat

2)That class of characters (Black Mage) has been in almost every FF known to date, and is well known for being the class of magic, more so than the White mage.

3) Cloud may be an icon, but not being known for any original skills beyond what has already existed isn't iconic in the sense of common iconic characters, more so to being in a praised game.

4) Black Mage has as many possible MS/attacks as Cloud.

The rest I agree a Mog, or Cactuar could never be in as a PC.

The reason Black Mage can't be in Brawl is because he's never been the lead of the Final Fantasy games, and he is just a generic character with no name.

 

[Silent_Hill_Crossing]

I'll quote myself to show why I think Cloud is a terrible idea for Brawl:



You can't deny that!



The reason Black Mage can't be in Brawl is because he's never been the lead of the Final Fantasy games, and he is just a generic character with no name.

He isn't a generic class though. >_> Again I'll say it again, this Black Mage is the face of all Black Mages. [The original Gaming Black Mage]

Cloud is a Swordsman, not much else there.

And I agree Cloud/Seph are terrible ideas for Brawl.

 

[Kunitsuna]

Wow...a whole lot of ******** replies in this thread. First off...to say that Kefka, etc. would be better than Cloud/Sephiroth as a rep...is just ludicrous. FF7 is the FLAGSHIP of the Final Fantasy series, and in FF7, Cloud and Sephiroth are the favorite characters. Following Sakurai's rule, no Sephiroth. SO, IF FF was represented in Brawl, it WOULD BE CLOUD...so all of you who hate Cloud, just because, with no reason...your stupid. For the sake of another argument, ask a group of gamers (who aren't necessarily FF gamers...Brawl is nintendo) who Kefka is, and maybe 20% will know who he is. Then, ask the same group if they know who Cloud is, and I bet 95% or more, will know who he is.

Cloud won´t be in SSBB. He´ll appear in Dissidia Final Fantasy and not be recommendable for being lent to Nintendo, aside from the fact that he represents the Sony part of Square-Enix. If someone from Final Fantasy makes it into Brawl, it should be from the part of the franchise that was with Nintendo.

No, we're flaming him for saying that all of the recent Square games on Nintendo are better than Final Fantasy VII to XII, which is a big fat lie and everyone knows that and saying that Nintendo is a sellout for having third parties in the game because it is only a big pile NINTENDO nostalgia.

I´m saying that Final Fantasy X, X-2 and XII, which are the numbered Final Fantasies on the PS2, were terrible. Final Fantasy IX for the PSX, on the other hand, is one of the best in the franchise. It has nothing to do with consoles; you just immediately jumped to that assumption.

Second, I didn´t say that all of the recent Square-Enix games on Nintendo systems are better than FFVII. I said that the Tactics and Crystal Chronicles spinoffs are good. Again you twisted this statement and called me a "fanboy" out of nowhere.

And third, I didn´t say that Nintendo is a sell-out for accepting third party characters; I´m saying that it would be if it accepted Cloud, because Cloud is not important to Nintendo´s history. Sonic was their long-time rival and later ally, Snake started life on a Nintendo system at least, but Cloud is the complete opposite.

And yes, the game is still primarily and ultimately Nintendo. It´s a gift to all those who grew up with the company´s creations or are just getting into it--that´s why there are characters from all kinds of games and times. It´s also why there are so many collectibles and extras, and why the game is being made with so much care. The inclusion of third party characters is of those who had something to do with Nintendo´s history; a nod to the other forces of the videogame world. It´s not a every-character-goes world fight. If Nintendo simply wanted to make the fighting game with all the most popular characters, there would be no rules for character inclusion and Cloud would have been confirmed upon announcement of the game.

But considering that you don´t seem to have paid attention to everything you´ve said, and that reply was probably longer than your time span, you may want to disregard it.

 

[Silent_Hill_Crossing]

Also about the Black Mage, what makes Pikachu/Pichu the lead of a game? Pichu was never the face of ANY Pokemon game and still made it in. Just so you know.

 

[vesperview]

Pikachu is the most important Pokemon and he's the sort of lead pokemon, that's a stupid example.

I´m saying that Final Fantasy X, X-2 and XII, which are the numbered Final Fantasies on the PS2, were terrible. Final Fantasy IX for the PSX, on the other hand, is one of the best in the franchise. It has nothing to do with consoles; you just immediately jumped to that assumption.

Second, I didn´t say that all of the recent Square-Enix games on Nintendo systems are better than FFVII. I said that the Tactics and Crystal Chronicles spinoffs are good. Again you twisted this statement and called me a "fanboy" out of nowhere.

And third, I didn´t say that Nintendo is a sell-out for accepting third party characters; I´m saying that it would be if it accepted Cloud, because Cloud is not important to Nintendo´s history. Sonic was their long-time rival and later ally, Snake started life on a Nintendo system at least, but Cloud is the complete opposite.

And yes, the game is still primarily and ultimately Nintendo. It´s a gift to all those who grew up with the company´s creations or are just getting into it--that´s why there are characters from all kinds of games and times. It´s also why there are so many collectibles and extras, and why the game is being made with so much care. The inclusion of third party characters is of those who had something to do with Nintendo´s history; a nod to the other forces of the videogame world. It´s not a every-character-goes world fight. If Nintendo simply wanted to make the fighting game with all the most popular characters, there would be no rules for character inclusion and Cloud would have been confirmed upon announcement of the game.

But considering that you don´t seem to have paid attention to everything you´ve said, and that reply was probably longer than your time span, you may want to disregard it.

You actually just twisted everything you said in your other posts to make it seem that way now, truth is, you fail my friend, moving on!

 

[Kunitsuna]

HAHA. Oh god, why did I know you´d do that? You probably skimmed through it.

Also, Black Mage is fully capable of making it into Super Smash Bros. Brawl. He´s a completely recognizeable character and would fit better into the game than Cloud. Again I bring up Mario Hoops; how come characters like Ninja, Cactaur, Moogle and Black Mage are playable but Cloud, Squall or Tidus are nowhere to be seen?

 

[vesperview]

HAHA. Oh god, why did I know you´d do that? You probably skimmed through it.

Also, Black Mage is fully capable of making it into Super Smash Bros. Brawl. He´s a completely recognizeable character and would fit better into the game than Cloud. Again I bring up Mario Hoops; how come characters like Ninja, Cactaur, Moogle and Black Mage are playable but Cloud, Squall or Tidus are nowhere to be seen?

Ok, again that comparison with Mario Hoops is very stupid, Sakurai said he wouldn't have any minor characters before the series lead in Brawl, and Mario Hoops is not a Sakurai game, Black Mage couldn't even have a story in Subspace if he is a generic no name character, there are better black mages (Vivi) who could fit into the bill, but Vivi unfortunately hasn't been in a Nintendo system.

This is when the kid gets tired of making up things to hurl back at the opponent and switches the computer off because Naruto´s on.

You may be interested in knowing that every numbered Final Fantasy on the PS2 is insufferable s.hit. But hell, you probably loved the crap out of FFXII, and Kingdom Hearts, and whatever other ammalgamation of belts ´n´ zippers Square-Enix is vomiting nowadays. Come to terms with yourself, and avoid replacing a word in someone else´s comment and throwing it back at them. It´s not as witty as you may think it to be.

And Super Smash Bros. isn´t solely about the fighting--if it were, characters who aren´t partiularly designed for battle (such as Peach or Mr. Game & Watch) would have never appeared. It´s a big pile of Nintendo nostalgia and a salute to the company´s work through the years, not a console version of MUGEN.

Here is your winning post, NOW STFU! n00b.

 

[ArticulateT]

if cloud were to get into brawl, Sephiroth would be a boss if he got in. and a really hard one too. being virtually invincible and all.

Cloud would be a good addition, but his chances are as slim as spongebobs (so, impossible, really). I wouldn't complain if Cloud got in, but I just see it has a fantasy (pun not intedned) at the moment than a possible reality

 

[Silent_Hill_Crossing]

Ok, again that comparison with Mario Hoops is very stupid, Sakurai said he wouldn't have any minor characters before the series lead in Brawl, and Mario Hoops is not a Sakurai game, Black Mage couldn't even have a story in Subspace if he is a generic no name character, there are better black mages (Vivi) who could fit into the bill, but Vivi unfortunately hasn't been in a Nintendo system.

Black Mage is still an important ROLE in gaming history and within the FF universe. Every game you have to use Black Magic of some sort, and Black Mage is teh one.



Again I ask you where is Pichu/has Pichu ever been the face of Pokemon? EVER? Nowhere, other than the anime, like Jigglypuff.



If you ask 20 random people what you think of from Final Fantasy most will say:

-Black Mage.

If you say FF7: Cloud.

In general FF is more compared in this to just FF7 in general.

 

[Rakath]

Oh right, another strike against Cloud (or anyone) from Final Fantasy games showing up in Brawl:

Geno

If Geno gets into Brawl, it would be as Square-Enix rep.

 

[Kunitsuna]

Ok, again that comparison with Mario Hoops is very stupid, Sakurai said he wouldn't have any minor characters before the series lead in Brawl, and Mario Hoops is not a Sakurai game, Black Mage couldn't even have a story in Subspace if he is a generic no name character, there are better black mages (Vivi) who could fit into the bill, but Vivi unfortunately hasn't been in a Nintendo system.

Square-Enix is a special case because their "main" characters haven´t had an appearance in a Nintendo system, and are too linked to Sony to warrant an appearance in a major Nintendo game. In other words, what Nintendo would get would be to you "sloppy seconds", and to me "more memorable/overall better characters".

And don´t even try to argue that characters like Black Mage couldn´t get a story. They have much more to work with than--for example--Mr. Game & Watch, who is as good as in.

Here is your winning post, NOW STFU! n00b.

And I see nothing contradictory. Final Fantasy X and XII are bad, Kingdom Hearts is s.hit and I do dislike Tetsuya Nomura´s character designs. At the same time I greatly enjoyed FFIX (PSX), FFT (PSX) and FFVIII (PSX), along with many other games (Dragon Quest VIII, Chrono Cross and so on).

It´s not about consoles, it´s about games. Now please, stop being an idiot and hiding it behind Internet slang.

 

[tirkaro]

Oh right, another strike against Cloud (or anyone) from Final Fantasy games showing up in Brawl:

Geno

If Geno gets into Brawl, it would be as Square-Enix rep.

geno is a mario character

 

[vesperview]

Black Mage is still an important ROLE in gaming history and within the FF universe. Every game you have to use Black Magic of some sort, and Black Mage is teh one.



Again I ask you where is Pichu/has Pichu ever been the face of Pokemon? EVER? Nowhere, other than the anime, like Jigglypuff.



If you ask 20 random people what you think of from Final Fantasy most will say:

-Black Mage.

If you say FF7: Cloud.

In general FF is more compared in this to just FF7 in general.

Actually 20 people against Cloud (The undeniably most popular Final Fantasy lead of all time) would say Black Mage is the perfect Brawl choice.

Pikachu is the face of Pokemon because he has always been the most important and famous Pokemon, that's a very stupid example of what your are trying to say, and if you play.

And you may use Black Magic but you don't see anyone turning into this

anymore

 

[Rakath]

geno is a mario character

Who is the Intelectual property of Square-Enix.

Yes, ye's only appeared in two games, both starring Mario.

But Square made him and Mallow, and own him and Mallow.

 

[Silent_Hill_Crossing]

Pikachu is the face of Pokemon because he has always been the most important and famous Pokemon, that's a very stupid example of what your are trying to say, and if you play.

Pikachu yes.

NOT PICHU. Read it please.

 

[tirkaro]

Who is the Intelectual property of Square-Enix.

Yes, ye's only appeared in two games, both starring Mario.

But Square made him and Mallow, and own him and Mallow.

but he's still a mario character. he exists within the mario universe. not a square enix-made universe.

 

[vesperview]

Square-Enix is a special case because their "main" characters haven´t had an appearance in a Nintendo system, and are too linked to Sony to warrant an appearance in a major Nintendo game. In other words, what Nintendo would get would be to you "sloppy seconds", and to me "more memorable/overall better characters".

And don´t even try to argue that characters like Black Mage couldn´t get a story. They have much more to work with than--for example--Mr. Game & Watch, who is as good as in.

And I see nothing contradictory. Final Fantasy X and XII are bad, Kingdom Hearts is s.hit and I do dislike Tetsuya Nomura´s character designs. At the same time I greatly enjoyed FFIX (PSX), FFT (PSX) and FFVIII (PSX), along with many other games (Dragon Quest VIII, Chrono Cross and so on).

It´s not about consoles, it´s about games. Now please, stop being an idiot and hiding it behind Internet slang.

Again failure at it's finest, Square Enix won't get special treatment, they have set leads like Chrono and Sora to be able to represent the company in Smash and unlike Black Mage, Mr Game and Watch is his own character who could easily be given a story and if you hate Final Fantasy X and XII is probably because n00b is too lazy to level up and gets owned by Sin or the Mimic Queen, seriously you're just extremely biased, Nintendo probably won't revive a generic old character like Black Mage just so that Square can be in Brawl, that's just nonsense.

Pikachu yes.

NOT PICHU. Read it please.

Pichu made it after Pikachu so I don't see what your point is.

 

[Rakath]

but he's still a mario character. he exists within the mario universe. not a square enix-made universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_RPG - Look at who made the game.

SQUARE (now Squeenix).

Geno and Mallow are not Nintendo's property. They need permission from Square-Enix to use them. They were made in a Mario game that is a Square-Enix universe.

 

[Silent_Hill_Crossing]

Pichu made it after Pikachu so I don't see what your point is.

Togepi is MORE popular than Pikachu. Period. Pichu is a generic Pokemon prevo. Pichu is not the face of Pokemon, and is nowhere near a lead as many others.

The same can be countered with Black Mage. Black Mage from FF is THE ICON FOR THE SERIES OF FF AND ALL MAGIC IN GENERAL.

PERIOD.

 

[Silent_Hill_Crossing]

Note:

-I meant Pichu

 

[vesperview]

Stop using Pokemon as an example for this, after the lead and most important (PIKACHU) has made it, they can put Wobbufett as playable for all they care, you just don't know how to support the inclusion of Black Mage because you know he is NOT what represents the Final Fantasy series, even Mog is more important to the series, Black Mage is not even in the latest installments, Black Mage would NOT make it before characters like Firion, Cecil, Bartz, Terra or Cloud.

 

[error_alt_delete]

we have enough sword fighters.

sephiroth doesn't meet rquirements.

cloud woudnt fit the games feel(snake managed to do it somehow).

and there are more orthy third party characters with a massive lead ahead of him.

 

[vesperview]

Like Megaman.

 

[Kunitsuna]

Again failure at it's finest, Square Enix won't get special treatment, they have set leads like Chrono and Sora to be able to represent the company in Smash and unlike Black Mage, Mr Game and Watch is his own character who could easily be given a story and if you hate Final Fantasy X and XII is probably because n00b is too lazy to level up and gets owned by Sin or the Mimic Queen, seriously you're just extremely biased, Nintendo probably won't revive a generic old character like Black Mage just so that Square can be in Brawl, that's just nonsense.

There´s no "special treatment" about it. Square-Enix will opt to include characters who better represent their relationship with Nintendo than Cloud, just like they did in--yes, I´m bringing it up again--Mario Hoops. Mr. Game & Watch is not his own character, he is an amalgamation of the Game & Watch Gallery games created specifically for Melee. And even if he was, he has literally nothing to work with; his games were simply mini-suvival situations with no backstory to them, while Black Mage was one of the main characters in FFI has since appeared in many other installations of the franchise.

I´m not going to argue that if Square-Enix gets a representative someone from another of their franchises (such as Crono or Sora) might be the one to get in, but we´re discussing Final Fantasy in this thread.

And if I hate Final Fantasy X and XII it´s because it´s the same rehashed plot (Empire and Crystal respectively) with the same rehashed characters (including a whiny imbecile for a main character in both games), the fact that XII´s battle system is a ******** departure from what Final Fantasy is, and the massive grinding required--not to mention that I´m getting sick of Square-Enix making the same design choices, over and over again. And yes, I beat both of them anyway, so I´m not getting owned by anyone. Again jumping to conclusions.

And finally, Black Mage isn´t old or in need of revival, he still appears in many current games (FFT: War of the Lions, Mario Hoops, soon-to-be in FFTA2) and he´s not any more generic than Pikachu, which is a species, or Mr. Game & Watch, who again isn´t even a fixed character.

You should consider this for a while. Maybe it´ll finally sink in.

 

[Silent_Hill_Crossing]

Stop using Pokemon as an example for this, after the lead and most important (PIKACHU) has made it, they can put Wobbufett as playable for all they care, you just don't know how to support the inclusion of Black Mage because you know he is NOT what represents the Final Fantasy series, even Mog is more important to the series, Black Mage is not even in the latest installments, Black Mage would NOT make it before characters like Firion, Cecil, Bartz, Terra or Cloud.

I can reverse this logic you know?


Most characters in FF (Cloud) haven't made much of a presence in any FF game for a while now. Cloud is not the iconic symbol for FF in general, just FF7. The same could be said for any franchise, how does [insert character here] have a chance to get in?

And you say Black Mage isn't the face of FF? What are you taking? Since FF1 Black Mage has been the face, even the CO. of the production has stated this many times. Maybe not the Iconic character, but the iconic class and representation of FF in general.

Yes Crono/etc. Do have a better chance, but if the characters have the same abilities as one another it lowers it considerably.


And Pokemon CAN be pointed out just as much as FF point. I have a point, and it can't be countered. Therefore I am correct. Pickachu isn't a lead, only in the anime is he popular, Mewtwo is more part of Pokemon story than Pikachu is. There is no 1 Pikachu, in Pokemon, but there is just 1 Mewtwo in Pokemon.

Also I noticed in an earlier post you mentioned something about Sora having a chance in Brawl.

Sora IS owned by Disney=Impossible.

 

[GregUnit]

I hate FFVII fanboys, you all make it difficult for me to like it.

 

[vesperview]

There´s no "special treatment" about it. Square-Enix will opt to include characters who better represent their relationship with Nintendo than Cloud, just like they did in--yes, I´m bringing it up again--Mario Hoops. Mr. Game & Watch is not his own character, he is an amalgamation of the Game & Watch Gallery games created specifically for Melee. And even if he was, he has literally nothing to work with; his games were simply mini-suvival situations with no backstory to them, while Black Mage was one of the main characters in FFI has since appeared in many other installations of the franchise.

I´m not going to argue that if Square-Enix gets a representative someone from another of their franchises (such as Crono or Sora) might be the one to get in, but we´re discussing Final Fantasy in this thread.

And if I hate Final Fantasy X and XII it´s because it´s the same rehashed plot (Empire and Crystal respectively) with the same rehashed characters (including a whiny imbecile for a main character in both games), the fact that XII´s battle system is a ******** departure from what Final Fantasy is, and the massive grinding required--not to mention that I´m getting sick of Square-Enix making the same design choices, over and over again. And yes, I beat both of them anyway, so I´m not getting owned by anyone. Again jumping to conclusions.

And finally, Black Mage isn´t old or in need of revival, he still appears in many current games (FFT: War of the Lions, Mario Hoops, soon-to-be in FFTA2) and he´s not any more generic than Pikachu, which is a species, or Mr. Game & Watch, who again isn´t even a fixed character.

You should consider this for a while. Maybe it´ll finally sink in.

Black Mage is old and doesn't need revival, specially in a series like Smash, why would they choose a generic character like Black Mage if they have more than 8 games to choose characters from, Black Mage is just a suggestion in these forums because you people won't admit that there are better Final Fantasy reps (i.e Cloud, Terra) or even Chrono who does represent the Nintendo's relationship with Square, or even Geno who is a square character created for the Mario series, believe me there are by far better characters than Black Mage to represent Square-Enix in Brawl, you again are just biased, because Black Mage is the only character who could represent the Nintendo Final Fantasies, plus, Kingdom Hearts is having more sequels in Nintendo systems (Even if the Nintendo ones suck), so Sora may even get the spot before your beloved Black Mage.

and about Final Fantasy X and XII, you are one of the few people who hates these games, they are best sellers, critically aclaimed amazing representations of the series, you're just mad that those sequels are not in the Gamecube or the Wii, check your facts!

I can reverse this logic you know?


Most characters in FF (Cloud) haven't made much of a presence in any FF game for a while now. Cloud is not the iconic symbol for FF in general, just FF7. The same could be said for any franchise, how does [insert character here] have a chance to get in?

And you say Black Mage isn't the face of FF? What are you taking? Since FF1 Black Mage has been the face, even the CO. of the production has stated this many times. Maybe not the Iconic character, but the iconic class and representation of FF in general.

Yes Crono/etc. Do have a better chance, but if the characters have the same abilities as one another it lowers it considerably.


And Pokemon CAN be pointed out just as much as FF point. I have a point, and it can't be countered. Therefore I am correct. Pickachu isn't a lead, only in the anime is he popular, Mewtwo is more part of Pokemon story than Pikachu is. There is no 1 Pikachu, in Pokemon, but there is just 1 Mewtwo in Pokemon.

Also I noticed in an earlier post you mentioned something about Sora having a chance in Brawl.

Sora IS owned by Disney=Impossible.

Cloud has had appearances in more than 5 Square Enix games, he IS the most exploited character of the series by far, and Pokemon again is a very stupid example of what you're trying to say Pikachu was the lead in Pokemon Yellow because of his popularity in the Anime, plus Black Mage is not in the same league as Pokemon he isn't nearly as popular.

and Sora is owned by Square and he is on Sakurai's Poll, so I don't see how impossible it is, now STFU!

 

[Rakath]

Personally the character I want to rep Sqeenix is one of these three Houkai/Hawkeye, Anjela/Angela, or Riisu/Riesz from Seikan Densetsu 3. However as a Japanese only SNES game that got low sales in Japan but a huge fan following via roms in America...

It still has a higher shot than Seph or Cloud. ^_^

 

[Silent_Hill_Crossing]

Black Mage is old and doesn't need revival, specially in a series like Smash, why would they choose a generic character like Black Mage if they have more than 8 games to choose characters from, Black Mage is just a suggestion in these forums because you people won't admit that there are better Final Fantasy reps (i.e Cloud, Terra) or even Chrono who does represent the Nintendo's relationship with Square, or even Geno who is a square character created for the Mario series, believe me there are by far better characters than Black Mage to represent Square-Enix in Brawl, you again are just biased, because Black Mage is the only character who could represent the Nintendo Final Fantasies, plus, Kingdom Hearts is having more sequels in Nintendo systems (Even if the Nintendo ones suck), so Sora may even get the spot before your beloved Black Mage.

and about Final Fantasy X and XII, you are one of the few people who hates these games, they are best sellers, critically aclaimed amazing representations of the series, you're just mad that those sequels are not in the Gamecube or the Wii, check your facts!

Did you ignore my post?

SORA IS OWNED BY DISNEY=NOT GETTING IN. Lern2Read.

Yes there are better fantasy reps, but none as popular. Pikachu is the perfect prime example, I don't care if Black Mage gets in, in fact I just want Geno, Bomber Man, and Mega Man. And I'm happy.

Final Fantasy X is hated by many fans of the series, if you say otherwise I point you to all FF boards where saying FFX gets you banned. FFX-2 is considered Fan service trash. (Even though I like it)

And being best sellers have nothing to do with anything, by your logic 50 Cent Bullet Proof was a good game.


And I'm not mad at anything, I'm just tired of people like you who ignore facts, and post your opinions as facts.

Like saying

"Mega Man is more deserving"

>_> Why do I even bother.

 

[vesperview]

Did you ignore my post?

SORA IS OWNED BY DISNEY=NOT GETTING IN. Lern2Read.

Yes there are better fantasy reps, but none as popular. Pikachu is the perfect prime example, I don't care if Black Mage gets in, in fact I just want Geno, Bomber Man, and Mega Man. And I'm happy.

Final Fantasy X is hated by many fans of the series, if you say otherwise I point you to all FF boards where saying FFX gets you banned. FFX-2 is considered Fan service trash. (Even though I like it)

And being best sellers have nothing to do with anything, by your logic 50 Cent Bullet Proof was a good game.


And I'm not mad at anything, I'm just tired of people like you who ignore facts, and post your opinions as facts.

Like saying

"Mega Man is more deserving"

>_> Why do I even bother.

I didn't ignore your post check above!

and we're not discussing the popularity of Final Fantasy titles, if you hate FFX just don't buy it, most people would disagree.

 

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Cloud has had appearances in more than 5 Square Enix games, he IS the most exploited character of the series by far, and Pokemon again is a very stupid example of what you're trying to say Pikachu was the lead in Pokemon Yellow because of his popularity in the Anime, plus Black Mage is not in the same league as Pokemon he isn't nearly as popular.

and Sora is owned by Square and he is on Sakurai's Poll, so I don't see how impossible it is, now STFU!

Sora is owned by DISNEY . You fail. instantly.

and we're not discussing the popularity of Final Fantasy titles, if you hate FFX just don't buy it, most people would disagree.

Lern2Read. I bought and love FFX/FFX-2. Good God.


Look up your facts. He was designed by SE, but is owned by Disney. Go ahead check it out. I'm right your wrong STFU if you can't get anything RIGHT.


Pikachu Yellow version is one game from the series, by your logic Lugia, and Ho-Oh are going to be characters, having one or two movies based off of them

The only person failing here is you.