See The Difference: Battlefield, Dreamland 64, And Miiverse

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After Sakurai's E3 presentation for Smash 4, we got some very interesting news. Alongside new characters in Lucas, Roy, and Ryu we also would have the opportunity to purchase Dreamland 64, and Miiverse came free within the update. These stages have brought up some interesting debate as to where each stage should fall on a legal stagelist in tournaments. A lot of information has been floating around on the difference between the three stages, but Youtuber Azoraith has compiled all of these difference into one video and shows how all of the data was taken as well.

So what does Smashboards think now that all the information in on the table? Where do these stages stand on a legal stage list? Let us know in the comments below!

SmashCapps has always been interested in the stage debate and is curious to see where this will go. To get his opinions on these matters follow him on Twitter.

 

[ToastMiller]

first comment

 

[Ramzy]

well congrats

 

[GwJ]

I don't care which but allow battlefield OR miiverse. Allowing two almost identical stages makes counterpicking less meaningful. Playing custom DK and they ban BF? Ok I'll go miiverse.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Why are we debating about that?

Battlefield and Dream Land 64 are legal in the games they're playable (and Melee has both), so it should stay this way.

The only one we should debate about is Miiverse

 

[DrizzyDrew]

someone tell me why miiverse is not selectable when playing with friends online? why not be able to use it? or am i missing somehting

 

[EndlessRain]

If we're allowing both BF and MV, I think we'll need an extra ban. But then that could lead to other problems down the road...

 

[DavemanCozy]

I don't care which but allow battlefield OR miiverse. Allowing two almost identical stages makes counterpicking less meaningful. Playing custom DK and they ban BF? Ok I'll go miiverse.

Some of the TO's in the Toronto area in Ontario are going to be applying the Omega rule on BF / MV: so just like if you ban FD all other omegas are banned, if either Miiverse or Battlefield is banned, both of them are banned. The TOs up here don't think the differences are particularly big to warrant separating them as stages.

With that said, this is going to be a test run and is what some of the GTA's TOs will be doing.

Others reading and lurking, let me know what you think about handling Battlefield and Miiverse like this.

 

[Weeman]

So Miiverse and BF have the same blastzones, but Miiverse has better ledges. So far Miiverse seems better than BF, but i'm not sure how will people feel about the background messages in tournaments.

 

[90007000]

I think we can all agree legal. (ALL CLONES OF BATTLEFIELD?!

 

[Jellyfish4102]

He forgot the most obvious difference, the stages shape. This affects recoveries and determines which characters can go under the stage.

 

[Aphistemi]

Miiverse is a troll stage, there's no reason it should be taken seriously into competitive play, leave it as a causal stage.

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

someone tell me why miiverse is not selectable when playing with friends online? why not be able to use it? or am i missing somehting

If I had to guess I would say it's due to Nintendo's poor online service. Connecting to friends+miiverse might be a overload. I have problems with playing on regular Final Destination with lag online.

 

[9Blades]

Pretty sure Dreamland will be legal. It was in 64 and Melee so why not here. Miiverse should too, if people don't like the background comments for tournaments, just disconnect the Wii U from the internet Problem solved.

someone tell me why miiverse is not selectable when playing with friends online? why not be able to use it? or am i missing somehting

That's just how it is for some reason.

 

[luke_ario]

bruh miiverse is fine its only a little bit longer they all have their differences though

 

[Aldax]

In DreamLand up smash is better option

 

[Casval]

It's a lot easier to get stuck under MV and DL than BF imo. But this is coming from an Ike player. I can go much further under BF and recover successfully than the other two stages.

That being said though, BF and MV should be treated identically, and I feel DL should stay legal. The wind mechanic will probably stop some people from picking it.

I don't know, really. I'd try it out like that and see what happens.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So Miiverse and BF have the same blastzones, but Miiverse has better ledges. So far Miiverse seems better than BF, but i'm not sure how will people feel about the background messages in tournaments.

Do they show up when you're not connected to Internet?

 

[Azzy]

Cool! I'm featured.
There were a couple things I missed, I'll add them as annotations in the tl;dr

 

[Starcutter]

REMEMBER: YOU CAN TURN OFF THE MIIVERSE POSTS

IT'S UNDER INTERNET SETTINGS

 

[Girthquake]

Dreamland should not be grouped up with BF and MV. Dreamland has drastically glaring differences from the other two that merit the stage to be differentiated.

 

[Azzy]

Dreamland should not be grouped up with BF and MV. Dreamland is drastically glaring differences from the other two that merit the stage to be differentiated.

people at my local were saying it was the same, I just included it to clear up misconceptions
I do agree the stage is very different

 

[Girthquake]

people at my local were saying it was the same, I just included it to clear up misconceptions
I do agree the stage is very different

Yeah I understood the video. Was just saying it to put it out there. A lot of people are just wrongfully grouping them all together.

Great vid btw.

 

[KenboCalrissian]

If MV or BF are banned, the other should go too. The differences between them aren't drastic enough to make banning one valuable if the opponent can just choose the other and use the exact same strategy. The point of a ban is to restrict your opponent from playing their character a certain way, and because these stages are so similar, having both is like a "workaround" to the ban.

 

[Girthquake]

If MV or BF are banned, the other should go too. The differences between them aren't drastic enough to make banning one valuable if the opponent can just choose the other and use the exact same strategy. The point of a ban is to restrict your opponent from playing their character a certain way, and because these stages are so similar, having both is like a "workaround" to the ban.

Actually the placements of the platforms are quite significant. Not to mention the bottom blast zone is VERY far down. Dreamland is a stage where I can frequently gimp people that don't have as good recovery as I do with inhale.

 

[LaFin]

I'm very much with DavemanCozy in his observation making BF/MV a shared ban, same as you'd do with FD and all omegas..

And make Dreamland legal, but only if played with original music :D

 

[ShadowKing]

someone tell me why miiverse is not selectable when playing with friends online? why not be able to use it? or am i missing somehting

Because of the inappropriate post that pop up sometimes

 

[Cedy]

I think the MV / BF situation should be like the FD / Omega situation.
They're considered the same stage.
For example, if FD is the stage for the match, then you can also choose an Omega stage. It should be the same for MV and BF.
Dreamland is different enough to be its own stage.

 

[JipC]

Why are we debating about that?

Battlefield and Dream Land 64 are legal in the games they're playable (and Melee has both), so it should stay this way.

The only one we should debate about is Miiverse

Except in this game Dreamland is just Battlefield with wind and minor differences in top blastzone and platform height
In Melee it's much larger, blastzones are marginally bigger than other stages, and taller platforms
I really dont think theres enough differences in all 3 stages to warrant more than one being legal. I do like the lower ceiling in Dreamland though.

 

[Deleted member]

Make Miiverse legal for the sole reason of LOL posts during streams and tournies.

 

[Mr Moosebones]

Some of the TO's in the Toronto area in Ontario are going to be applying the Omega rule on BF / MV: so just like if you ban FD all other omegas are banned, if either Miiverse or Battlefield is banned, both of them are banned. The TOs up here don't think the differences are particularly big to warrant separating them as stages.

With that said, this is going to be a test run and is what some of the GTA's TOs will be doing.

Others reading and lurking, let me know what you think about handling Battlefield and Miiverse like this.

One of the said TOs here, weighing in.

FD and all of the omegas differ drastically more than battlefield and miiverse do. If you consider Mega Man (omega), FD and Great Cave Offensive (omega) to be the same- or at least not differentiated enough to consider them different stages- then you have to agree that Miiverse and Battlefiled (which all have identical blastzones and platform heights, the only differences being the slight width of platform increase and smashville style base on Miiverse) should be a package deal.

Dreamland is completely separate and works wonderfully for characters who kill off the top and vs characters with tricky diagonal recoveries (damn you, pineapple).

 

[Buffoon]

Do they show up when you're not connected to Internet?

I can confirm that messages do not appear when internet isn't on.

 

[Deleted member]

Just bundle Miiverse and Battlefield. Lots tourneys do the same thing with Omegas and FD (even though, there are huge differences with below platform areas, which is why some have Omega groups).

 

[Marrow]

So Miiverse and BF have the same blastzones, but Miiverse has better ledges. So far Miiverse seems better than BF, but i'm not sure how will people feel about the background messages in tournaments.

It's always possible to just disconnect the Wii U from the internet for in-house tournaments, then Miiverse messages will not show up.

 

[EndlessRain]

It's always possible to just disconnect the Wii U from the internet for in-house tournaments, then Miiverse messages will not show up.

You can disable them in Internet Options without turning disconnecting. It was mentioned earlier.

 

[Ohio86]

I actually like having the option of Miiverse. As someone who's color blind- I get frustrated with those who pick certain colors on battlefield. When the stage goes dark it becomes harder to see. Miiverse would be a good non changing option. I do agree banning one should ban both.

 

[Marrow]

You can disable them in Internet Options without turning disconnecting. It was mentioned earlier.

Oh, didn't know that. Thanks!

 

[StripedNinja]

He forgot the most obvious difference, the stages shape. This affects recoveries and determines which characters can go under the stage.

He didn't forget it's just not something you need to test, because it's so obvious

 

[StripedNinja]

The ledges of battle field are wonky and work much differently than miiverse so I don't think they should be interchangeable

 

[MasterIcarus7 (SHADE)]

To me, dreamland is not the same stage it used to be. The blast line on the top has been lowered to the point where it is impossible to see the top of the tree, which changes the characters who will counterpick it. It is also smaller, and the base is taller. It just doesn't feel the same.