Scott Pilgrim vs. The Mafia | GAME OVER: Infinite Sadness/Finest Hour

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

soup check your pms i sent it to both your main account and this one get back at me

zen ive skimmed andve seen your request for a call to arms. gimme til i talk to soup and can sit down at a computer. roughly 26 hours assuming soupy can hit the internet when i can tomorrow after work

kevinm standby we finna come with the macs loaded

 

[soupamarioyoshiluigiwario]

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[#HBC | Joker]

1. FullmetalLynch - Scum Lean. The way they interacted with Kary kind of gave me scummy feels. Like, every time Kary quoted one of their posts, they felt the need to give a response justifying themselves, despite the fact that Kary never said anything of actual substance. It feels nervous. So do the votes, which are jumping around an awful lot.
2. Red Ryu - Null. I don't know that Ryu buddying Kevmo like that is necessarily telling. We'll have to see how it plays out.
3. soupamarioyoshiluigiwario - Town Lean. Lol, I see a lot of soup tryna be like marshy. I like it though, because I buy it. It's also not stuff I disagree with, which makes it all the better. As long as we're in agreement, I'm happy to let this slot take thread control.
4. Potassium - Null. Hasn't really done that much, and I'm not super confident in reading Kantrip. Especially not this early.
5. BarDulL - Null/scum. His early game reads stuck out to me as someone trying to look productive. It didn't actually look productive though. His claim is null.
6. BadWolf28738 - dumb/scum. I can see where Zen is coming from, because I've definitely seen BW get tunnely as scum. As town, he usually posts those collapse tags with his notes in them, which I can never make any sense of. I also think town BW would've been one of those people who thinks that a person who is up front about their claim is townie, as opposed to the null that it should be. But here, he's trying to push it as scummy, because there's already interest in the wagon.
7. Ranmaru - Null/town. I forgot he was in this game until I went back and realized he was still using Kevmo's avatar. Goddamnit Ran! Nothing seems out of line for him though.
8. Kary - Null/town. I dunno why, but I get townie vibes from Kary so far. He should be null, but he's not, he feels like townKary. We'll see.
9. frozenflame751 - Null. Has he even posted? *checks* Nope
10. KevinM - Null. I think him trying to gather double voters is something he'd definitely do as scum, but I don't doubt he'd do it as town. I disagree with his J push, but I don't think that makes him scummy. If he continues doing things I don't get, I'll be more inclined to look at him.
11. J - Null/town I don't know J's play all that well, but nothing sticks out as scummy. Gun to my head, I'd say he's probably town, but I'll feel this one out as I go.
12. Zen - Town Lean. Keeping the thread moving, and putting pressure in places that make sense. Not my strongest read, but I'm happy with it for now.
13. Vinyl. - Null. He's like, impossible to read. Go ahead, I dare you.
14. Nabe - Null. I find Nabe difficult to read in general. I will say that I don't see him being scummy yet.
15. PrivateJoker-Brown - Swag/town. Towniest towny who ever towned a town. Seriously guys, he's town.

There were a lot fewer nulls than I thought there were going to be.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

No? Why do you say this? What about his post at all gives you a town read?

Think about this: Why would Kary need to get a reaction from Bardull AFTER the wagon had dropped? AFTER Bardull had ALREADY CLAIMED? His reasoning is fake. He's unvoting because I called him out on it.

Kary's not that bad and you know it.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

1. FullmetalLynch - Scum Lean. The way they interacted with Kary kind of gave me scummy feels. Like, every time Kary quoted one of their posts, they felt the need to give a response justifying themselves, despite the fact that Kary never said anything of actual substance. It feels nervous. So do the votes, which are jumping around an awful lot.

I've voted twice. I justified myself ? How so ? If I'm scum am I bussing BW ? Considering I started this wagon I'd like to hear why you feel I'd do that.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Joker's probably town as well, his misconstruction of my interactions with Kary is feeling like dumb town misunderstanding. Shades of Puzzle Bobble come to mind

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Ooops forgot we voted Vinyl.

Welp. Guess that makes 3 unless I'm forgetting another one.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

You can call me dumb if you want to, but it's not gonna change the way I read you when I've read it twice.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

No? Why do you say this? What about his post at all gives you a town read?

Think about this: Why would Kary need to get a reaction from Bardull AFTER the wagon had dropped? AFTER Bardull had ALREADY CLAIMED? His reasoning is fake. He's unvoting because I called him out on it.

#1
Bardull's claim essentially stopped him being waggoned. But his claim is null. He's not claimed anything that can be proved, or that is necessarily town. So he still needs to be pressured.

#2
i'm still voting Bardull

you're getting your knickers in a twist over nothing.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vinyl, why did you decide to vote frozen?

FML, earlier you told me you weren't going to move your vote, then 2 seconds later you did just that. Explain.

Ranmaru, what do you think of J?

KevinM, what do you think of Zen?

that will be all

 

[#HBC | Kary]

lurkers gonna lurk

 

[#HBC | Joker]

^ The situation Kary is describing is part of the vote jumping I was referring to, wrt FML.

 

[Vinylic.]

Lurkers gonna lurk indeed.

My macbook ran out of batteries as my power adapter broke. I'm heading to the apple store to get a fresh one since I have a warranty, in which, I have to thank myself for making the right call.

A quick question answered tho, why am I still voting froZen? Well, at first it was just rvs, but is he still here? I need to check that out, but I'm sure I'll unvote to vote for at least someone who thinks town's scum. I guess it's sheeping, but I'm pretty sure I won't give a damn and probably put down the people who threaten me in here, votes don't count as threats tho.

I'll also unvote if he either posted once or has posted. Putting my socks and shoes on now.

 

[Vinylic.]

I also love people who can't read me. Definitely something I find funny.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I just find that I don't understand why you do anything, regardless of your alignment.

 

[KevinM]

Will be able to post after work. for now would rather Zen not try and discredit wagons with lines like "When does KevinM vote on actual evidence".

Just because you can't see or refuse to see scummy behavior doesn't mean that I don't vote on evidence.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I've voted twice. I justified myself ? How so ? If I'm scum am I bussing BW ? Considering I started this wagon I'd like to hear why you feel I'd do that.

Just realized how ew this post is. Trying to take credit for starting a wagon he's not on, and didn't start. BW has exactly two votes, me and zen, and FML wasn't on him when the 2 of us joined. That's not exactly "starting a wagon", and it's certainly not "bussing BW". If one of them flips scum, I would not be surprised to see the other one flip the same, because that's a kind of desperate reach at trying to distance himself from BW.

wrt to the bolded

Instead of being passive, I'm taking an aggressive step forward and trying to cause a situation to which Badwulf will react.

I'm surprised you didn't infer that from my meaning but I suppose it was unclear.

after rereading this, for a second time, I realized you were actually responding to smylw, not Kary.


Still, you dropped BW like a hot potatoe after insisting you would not move your vote, and then proceeded to move your vote around a couple more times. Like you were waiting for something to stick.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Oh also, regardless of who you were responding to, that explanation for why you were on bw still sounds whack. Like, I dunno why you worded it like that. People tend to elongate their phrasing when they are lying, to create emphasis. And you turned "I'm fishing for a reaction from BW" into "I'm taking an aggressive step forward and trying to cause a situation to which Badwulf will react."

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Just realized how ew this post is. Trying to take credit for starting a wagon he's not on, and didn't start. BW has exactly two votes, me and zen, and FML wasn't on him when the 2 of us joined. That's not exactly "starting a wagon", and it's certainly not "bussing BW". If one of them flips scum, I would not be surprised to see the other one flip the same, because that's a kind of desperate reach at trying to distance himself from BW.
after rereading this, for a second time, I realized you were actually responding to smylw, not Kary.


Still, you dropped BW like a hot potatoe after insisting you would not move your vote, and then proceeded to move your vote around a couple more times. Like you were waiting for something to stick.

Pretty sure we were the first to vote BW, which I would think qualifies as starting the wagon. The second head got on and talked with the first, after which with a new set of perspectives we toggled with our vote.
dislike the contradiction here wrt Bolded, seeing as it can't be bussing if we aren't on a scumteam together. Which you say it certainly isn't bussing.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

It's really null wolf. I know you wont because you're quite lazy, but if you take a look at games like DK mafia and Deadpool mafia, you'll see that Bardull has gotten lynched within 24 hours straight out of RVS. I would have done the same as him personally as scum or town.

I'm not necessarily lazy. Rather, busy. I have work from 3-10 just about every ****ing day this week and I'm just trying to keep up. I don't understand why I can't have a different view on it without people pulling out the torches and pitchforks.

I could care less about how happy you are, because you're an idiot. This isn't me defending BarDulL, and it isn't even that hard. This is me explaining why he did what he did, and why you're wrong for thinking it's scummy. Please, badwolf, explain to us why his claim is anything other than null. Why does his claim make him scum? Because you haven't given an adequate explanation for that. All you've done is make it clear that you don't get it.

See, the difference between you and me is that I look the situation, and I understand why he did it. You, on the other hand, look at the situation, you don't understand it, and you immediately assume that things you don't understand are scummy.

You're really offensive, and you don't care to read. I've stated my thoughts on why I don't like it. If they don't float your boat then I don't really know what you want. I'll make up things but that's scummy, I can say my thoughts but that's also scummy. I really have no ****ing clue as to what you want from me. And I've reported you for offensive behaviour over the entire time you've been in games with me. I'm just really tired of it. Have a nice day.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Pretty sure we were the first to vote BW, which I would think qualifies as starting the wagon. The second head got on and talked with the first, after which with a new set of perspectives we toggled with our vote.
dislike the contradiction here wrt Bolded, seeing as it can't be bussing if we aren't on a scumteam together. Which you say it certainly isn't bussing.

Say what? You started the wagon because you voted for him, then took your vote off and put it someplace else, then me and zen got on him? That's you starting a wagon?

Say what? You're bussing BW by voting for him by yourself, then removing the vote before any sort of pressure, or actual wagon, builds whatsoever? That's you bussing somebody?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

The answer to those questions are "no" by the way.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I could care less about how happy you are, because you're an idiot. This isn't me defending BarDulL, and it isn't even that hard. This is me explaining why he did what he did, and why you're wrong for thinking it's scummy. Please, badwolf, explain to us why his claim is anything other than null. Why does his claim make him scum? Because you haven't given an adequate explanation for that. All you've done is make it clear that you don't get it.

See, the difference between you and me is that I look the situation, and I understand why he did it. You, on the other hand, look at the situation, you don't understand it, and you immediately assume that things you don't understand are scummy.

this isn't relevant to the game, but I didn't think this post was very nice of you.

I just want the best for dgames

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'm not necessarily lazy. Rather, busy. I have work from 3-10 just about every ****ing day this week and I'm just trying to keep up. I don't understand why I can't have a different view on it without people pulling out the torches and pitchforks.


You're really offensive, and you don't care to read. I've stated my thoughts on why I don't like it. If they don't float your boat then I don't really know what you want. I'll make up things but that's scummy, I can say my thoughts but that's also scummy. I really have no ****ing clue as to what you want from me. And I've reported you for offensive behaviour over the entire time you've been in games with me. I'm just really tired of it. Have a nice day.

dude if you wanna get butthurt over me pressuring you for your bad play, then I don't even know what to tell you outside of "get thicker skin" and "get better at mafia".

You're calling BarDulL's play scummy for reasons that aren't scummy. I've explained to you why it isn't scummy. I gave you reasons and everything, really good ones. But you're too stubborn to listen to me. You're just so determined to be an opposing force to me, that you're completely unwilling to accept that I might be right. I dunno if it's a personal thing, or if you're this stubborn with everyone, but it needs to stop. If you want to have any success in Mafia, you need to learn to not just stubbornly stick to your initial opinions all the time, cuz other people might be able to show you why you're wrong.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

this isn't relevant to the game, but I didn't think this post was very nice of you.

I just want the best for dgames

Man, I'm just so sick and tired of his attitude, like he can do no wrong.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

dude if you wanna get butthurt over me pressuring you for your bad play, then I don't even know what to tell you outside of "get thicker skin" and "get better at mafia".

You're calling BarDulL's play scummy for reasons that aren't scummy. I've explained to you why it isn't scummy. I gave you reasons and everything, really good ones. But you're too stubborn to listen to me. You're just so determined to be an opposing force to me, that you're completely unwilling to accept that I might be right. I dunno if it's a personal thing, or if you're this stubborn with everyone, but it needs to stop. If you want to have any success in Mafia, you need to learn to not just stubbornly stick to your initial opinions all the time, cuz other people might be able to show you why you're wrong.

1. I'm not "butthurt" over you pressuring me, I'm annoyed at you instigating me. It's really unnecessary and more than annoying.

2. I'm always open to new ideas, that's how I develop as a person. I'm not open to YOUR ideas because of two reasons. One, your ideas don't strike me as the correct ones. I don't like them, you're angry because I'm not taking your word as the bible's truth. I have my ideas, I've explained my ideas, whether you choose to accept them or not is your deal, but don't come in here and instigate things that I don't want to be a part of. If you keep doing so you're going to have problems.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Man, I'm just so sick and tired of his attitude, like he can do no wrong.

When have I ever said that? You're instigating things and I'm just stating my thoughts. Don't think yourself the better person in this, 'cause truthfully? You're not.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Say what? You started the wagon because you voted for him, then took your vote off and put it someplace else, then me and zen got on him? That's you starting a wagon?

Say what? You're bussing BW by voting for him by yourself, then removing the vote before any sort of pressure, or actual wagon, builds whatsoever? That's you bussing somebody?

We don't need to have our vote on the man to grill him. We decided our vote was bets served elsewhere and then zen picked up on things. Our vote on BW started the road, like we hoped it would.
Also, you BLATANTLY said that it definitely wasn't bussing in your 257, and then said that we were likely to be mates. Contradicting yourself much?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Us moving to Badwulf was a gut move on my part(Rake).

Factually I started it, and you and Zen picked it up while em and orbo moved sidelong to vinyl. If you want a reason it could probably be summed as me n Orbo are Vinyl experts. I told orbo he could move or Vote to Vinyl when he pointed out some middling concerns. So yes, we started it. And now Zen is providing some pretty spot on legitimacy to it beyond my gut feel on his reaction to my unvote post which he misconstrued as being directed to him, when it was directed at Kary.

I'd like you yo lay out why me moving my vote the one time reads as scum intent. From your pov I have something that sticks on BW. not to mention your wording of "Looking for something that sticks" suggests BW is innocent in the situation which is not what your currently pushing.

So what's up ?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Dude I am so done trying to even talk to you. Like, the explanation for why you're wrong is right in front of you, and it's not even just coming from me, it's coming from everybody. You're just too busy hating my guts, and making threats, to listen.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Not sure if ninja or just really weird post

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Not sure if ninja or just really weird post

prolly ninja.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Us moving to Badwulf was a gut move on my part(Rake).

Factually I started it, and you and Zen picked it up while em and orbo moved sidelong to vinyl. If you want a reason it could probably be summed as me n Orbo are Vinyl experts. I told orbo he could move or Vote to Vinyl when he pointed out some middling concerns. So yes, we started it. And now Zen is providing some pretty spot on legitimacy to it beyond my gut feel on his reaction to my unvote post which he misconstrued as being directed to him, when it was directed at Kary.

I'd like you yo lay out why me moving my vote the one time reads as scum intent. From your pov I have something that sticks on BW. not to mention your wording of "Looking for something that sticks" suggests BW is innocent in the situation which is not what your currently pushing.

So what's up ?

I understand where none of this is coming from. That you think you started the BW wagon is absolutely mind blowing to me. Imma just throw down baseless votes on every slot in the game, then unvote them all, and anyone who ever votes anyone will be acting on some wagon that I started. You're not bussing BW because you're not bussing him. Like, seriously, which part of "you're not voting him, or putting actual pressure on him" is the part where you're bussing him? Wouldn't he have to die because of you for it to be a bus? Because all I see is you not trying to lynch badwolf in the slightest.

and "looking for something to stick" clearly doesn't apply to the bw vote, since it's the one you held for the least amount of time. You blatantly tried to make sure that one didn't stick. Your Kary and Vinyl votes were whack though, and you were just waiting around for someone to join you on those. The only person you voted that anyone else is voting is badwolf, which is a wagon you neither created nor are supporting, but you sure as hell want to take credit for the push in the event he does die.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Not sure if ninja or just really weird post

it was a ninja. That post was @BW

 

[#HBC | Joker]

When have I ever said that? You're instigating things and I'm just stating my thoughts. Don't think yourself the better person in this, 'cause truthfully? You're not.

You keep using that word, "instigating". I do not think it means what you think it means.

I'm playing mafia. I dunno what you're doing.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I understand where none of this is coming from. That you think you started the BW wagon is absolutely mind blowing to me. Imma just throw down baseless votes on every slot in the game, then unvote them all, and anyone who ever votes anyone will be acting on some wagon that I started. You're not bussing BW because you're not bussing him. Like, seriously, which part of "you're not voting him, or putting actual pressure on him" is the part where you're bussing him? Wouldn't he have to die because of you for it to be a bus? Because all I see is you not trying to lynch badwolf in the slightest.
and "looking for something to stick" clearly doesn't apply to the bw vote, since it's the one you held for the least amount of time. You blatantly tried to make sure that one didn't stick. Your Kary and Vinyl votes were whack though, and you were just waiting around for someone to join you on those. The only person you voted that anyone else is voting is badwolf, which is a wagon you neither created nor are supporting, but you sure as hell want to take credit for the push in the event he does die.

I'm sorry, We directly started the votes on him in order to see him crack. The votes that came onto him afterwords from Zen's argument helped to solidify rak's gut feelings. Rake had gut on BW, I saw actual things in threat wrt Vinyl's posts. Ergo, vote moving. Because I moved my vote doesn't mean I can't still verbally grill and pressure badwolf.
bussing doesn't have to be sraight up lynching a guy. There can be that kind of heavy bussing, but there is also softer bussing which doesn't go that far. Therefore when you say "you're not bussing him", then say " I can see you guys being on a team" I can only see that as a contradiction.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

But you're not verbally grilling him or pressuring him. You voted for him to get a reaction, didn't get a reaction, and moved on. Nothing you did wrt badwolf mattered. The people now voting BW did not do so because of you in any way. Nothing you've done could be considered bussing, by any definition of the word.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I understand where none of this is coming from. That you think you started the BW wagon is absolutely mind blowing to me. Imma just throw down baseless votes on every slot in the game, then unvote them all, and anyone who ever votes anyone will be acting on some wagon that I started. You're not bussing BW because you're not bussing him. Like, seriously, which part of "you're not voting him, or putting actual pressure on him" is the part where you're bussing him? Wouldn't he have to die because of you for it to be a bus? Because all I see is you not trying to lynch badwolf in the slightest.

and "looking for something to stick" clearly doesn't apply to the bw vote, since it's the one you held for the least amount of time. You blatantly tried to make sure that one didn't stick. Your Kary and Vinyl votes were whack though, and you were just waiting around for someone to join you on those. The only person you voted that anyone else is voting is badwolf, which is a wagon you neither created nor are supporting, but you sure as hell want to take credit for the push in the event he does die.

But I've only voted 3 people. Lol. I think.

Where are we not putting pressure on BW ? Just because we're not voting him doesn't mean we're not still interested. Plus your interaction with him is worth watching. The only thing of note is Zen's pov which is just spot on, and my gut, so there's no where to go until I see what BW is up to. I don't have to be voting him or mentioning him in every post hbc style to do that.

No, he wouldn't have to die, bussing can be as easy as me mentioning him in passing on something in order to set up a scum read on him later for whatever malevolent purposes. And again, your misunderstanding the idea of pressure, I've already made it clear I'm discontent with badwulf via my aggressive step forward onto his slot, Vinyl came up and you and Zen have picked up the slack, allow me and Orbo to passively pressure him while we pursue other routes.

You also misused the phrase "stick " i think. From your pov if I was looking for something to stick, I could have stayed on BW, Zen already had stated he saaw my pov so the path of least resistance from a scumFML pov would have been to sell it harder to him. If I was looking for a sticking vote I already had one readily available in BW in those terms. Not to mention BW implodes easily and me and Orbo are both good enough to force such a reaction out of him if we needed to. Which as scum would def be something I'd do.

Why was Kary whack ? it was clearly RVS. As for vinyl as me an Orbo have said we got some feels and moved. At the time of Kary's request, yes I was unwilling to move off BW but things change. And I don't have to visibly support Bw's wagon any more than I already have, you should be very familiar with my passive scum reading style as I did it for the better part of D1 in Gs mafia on you n Orbo.

And of course we want credit, its a great wagon and BW is prolly scum. Whether you view our vote on him as the instigation or not is a difference of opinion at best.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

We also got a reaction out of BW.

Just of a different sort, being his reaction to my post directed at kary.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

wow FML actually is scum