Samus + Zero Suit Samus = Final Smash Goodness + Conundrum

[Mic_128]

<em>Longest title ever.</em>

And here we go, midweek and we get slogged with an update that’s going to make waves for weeks to come. Today we finally learned of the <strong>relationship between Samus and Zero Suit Samus</strong>, and how one becomes the other, with a Final Smash move to boot.

<img src="http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/samus/samus_070718a-l.jpg" alt="You think she's bad-ass in Melee? Just watch." />

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As has been said previously by Sakurai, Samus turns into Zero Suit Samus (Henceforth known as Zamus) under “certain conditions.” It was unclear as to whether this meant in non-Melee games (you beat the game with enough items collected and in a fast enough time, she took off her powersuit) or whether something in Brawl affects her (enough damage is given, the armor falls off, etc.) Now we know that it’s a result of her Final Smash.

<img src="http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/samus/samus_070718b-l.jpg" alt="Eat your heat out, Goku." />

Sakurai hints that this move does spectacular damage. “That weapon is extremely powerful. Her opponents’ damage meters skyrocket!”

I’m sure it does, however…

<img src="http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/samus/samus_070718c-l.jpg" alt="Oh noes!" />

That’s how Zamus arrives on scene. It’s unknown if there’s any way other than this to be Zamus. There might be an option to do the reverse, start as Zamus, use a Final Smash and turn into Samus.

Oh, and if you thought that after becoming Zamus you’d seen the last of the armor? Think again.

<img src="http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/samus/samus_070718e-l.jpg" alt="Armour give high defence, but does it give high offense too?" />

Now, aside from the WOAH factor, this also leads to an interesting question. <strong>Will we ever see Zamus in a tournament?</strong> The only way that’ll ever happen is if Items, or at least Final Smashes are in the accepted rules. I for one am glad of this, because now there’s another valid argument for bringing items into the tournament scene. However it’s all for naught if Capsules and Crates can’t be turned off, or at least made not to explode.

 

[Jammin]

I’m completely speechless, so I’ll type instead. This is crazy!

 

[homelessvagrant]

Well it’s like the first video, so I’m not completely stunned. I have a deep gut feeling that Zamus will be low tier. It just seems to make sense.

Sakurai said that a character can only use a final smash once through a play, so my guesses is that Zamus doesn’t have a final smash. I think the whole idea around samus and zamus is cool actually.

 

[SuicideBomb-omber]

Hmm…wow. I was kinda hoping Z-suit saumus and Saumus were seperate characters really, but the fact that they call it the final smash doncha think thesmash ball thingy would come up twoards the end of the match? so with that said u would only get to be Zaumus for a short amount of time. Im not a saumus fan but: THAT WOULD SUCK:/

 

[SuicideBomb-omber]

o, and in the fourth pic does anyone notice kirbys sack(if he has one) getting hit by like 3 pounds f metal!?!man looks like by the time kirby retires hes not gonna have any kirbykids(haha)jk.

 

[Rupe]

I’m going to keep my fingers crossed and hope that there will be a way to change without using a final smash.

It makes it seem like the game is punishing you for using the final smash; and if that’s the case, then shouldn’t the player be able to choose this “punishment†whenever they want even if they don’t use a final smash?

On the other hand, if Sexy Samus(TM) is better than Samus, then it’s like a reward for using a final smash…

 

[Mr fN LeOn]

I don’t like dis at all wat a dumb idea

 

[Karleko]

…happy birthday 8-). Anyway, it’s possible that Sakurai will elaborate on Zamus, explaining why he made this decision and perhaps showing us a different way to get Zamus. Maybe a Sheik thing, press A before match starts, or maybe she will be available on the selection after FS had been used at least once, we don’t know, just relax and wait.

 

[homelessvagrant]

Right Karleko, also theirs also the possibility that Zamus sucks to such a point that you won’t want to play her. Not to be pessimistic but it’s a posibility.

 

[Karleko]

ahhahaha, “sucks to such a point”. Well she looks pretty competent to me, I was looking forward to playing with her, citing other smashers about her being the new sheik.

 

[Cold Stone]

I’m 99.9 and 9/8ths percent sure that there will be an item-less way to become zamus, for tournaments sake. My initial thought is there will be an option similar to zelda/shiek, where perhaps you hold the B button as the match starts and her suit crumbles as the announcer says “GO”. The difference being, you don’t get to change back like shiek can….

 

[Alpha]

Judging from the first video, I knew this would happen from her final smash. However, cool as it is, I was really hoping the transformation would occur some other, more controllable way. All I can hope for now is the option to start as her instead of normal samus (sort of like how you hold A to start as sheik).

Even if she winds up low-tier, I’d like to be able to play as her whenever I want, including anytime I happen to feel like switching off items for a while. Plus I think I actually may choose to turn off final smash altogether when playing by myself, since, in my opinion, it could get to be a little cheap.

 

[homelessvagrant]

I think this is awesome because of the fact it makes you use items. I’m a item user myself but whenever i got around my friends to play they took items off and I was sad. this one final smash might bring back items and in the end bring back equal play back to series.

 

[kirbykid]

I think everyone needs to get over the final smash Zamus issue. I hope you can’t transform unless items are turned on. It makes more sense this way, so deal with it. We call can’t get what we want when it starts to conflict with the ideas themselves.

 

[homelessvagrant]

ooooo. I murdered that paragraph x_x

 

[kirbykid]

THINGS TO NOTE:

Link looks like he’s progressing through the energy blast with his forward air.

There’s a distinct hit in front of PIT.

Pikachu has more expression that makes him appear to be looking at the action. We’ve seen Pikachu do this before. This is very exciting.

 

[pugfug90]

I think “no items” and “banned floors” is for garden tools that can’t take the fact that this is just a game. Yah, go items!

 

[Lava]

“this one final smash might bring back items and in the end bring back equal play back to series.”

I don’t know if I’d use the word “equal.”

Oh, and I’m sure the people who play this for money would definitely agree with you pugfug90. (Whether you like it or not, there are many different people out there with many different opinions, and reasons for playing. Maybe you’re just not the competitive type. Many people are.)

 

[monkey fecies]

in the 2nd pic it looks to me like pit has a claw item in his hands like the one that you can shoot to grab on to things in the zelda games.

 

[ravenkikas]

I think it’s a cool idea, They’ll make it work that’s for sure. I think she will have a Final smash in Zamus form, it would be unfair if she wouldn’t, maybe she will have one, not so powerfull as this but anyway… And maybe like sheik you can start as Zamus and maybe(again) if she has a Final Smash and use it in Zamus form she will transform back into Samus… I think we just need to wait and see but i believe that they will make it work. Even if she cant back to Samus form it would be great to be able to start as Zamus.

 

[PRINCESS PEACH]

oh she is so cute.
^_^

 

[LaniusShrike]

Hmm. In the image showing the actual blast, you can see that Samus’ gunarm has spread out. In any of the Metroid games does the gun ever spread out to that extent? I also like how there’s still light coming from the gun after the pieces have scattered, like it’s cooling down from the blast or something. Also again- is Zelda throwing two pieces of armor at the same time? Seems a little confusing.
… also, one last time, Pikachu looks freakin’ huge. If I saw a giant yellow rat that size in real life… well, I’d probably think it was a capybara. But I’d still be freaked out.

 

[lil_ko]

now thats wat im talkin about sakuri

 

[FMatt]

Woo I get to play regular samus still! Not having to learn a new character is gonna rock! The roboting continues for those who know what I mean .

 

[Karleko]

Did Zamus just drop her laser/sword/gun in the last pic…

 

[Johnknight1]

My message to Samus: “Use the A button, Samus!” *destroys death star*

 

[SuicideBomb-omber]

Again, does anyone noticed kirby’s sack getting demolished?

 

[Karleko]

I’ve noticed his sack getting pained.

 

[Salmon Of Doubt]

I don’t see why this is controversial at all. Wasn’t it obvious that the developers would not make two versions of the same person, something that could never occur in the metroid universe? I think the zero suit idea stemmed from the final smash, not the other way around. This way makes perfect sense. Even back in melee, when they had two Links, it made (some) sense because of the whole time travel theme from ocarina, which the character was based off of, and of course majora’s mask.

 

[Karleko]

Very nicely put Salmon of Doubt, but not to make it seem as if you have not thought out your comment, but what about Mario and Doc. Mario, they are the same person (I think) unless he is a robot made by Tetris or something.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Well… I don’t think the whole “two of the same person” argument really holds much ground, because as said, there’s Link and Mario, and Pichu/Pkachu are sort of the same character at different ages.

I think the main reason people thought that she was going to be a separate character is because she was hyped up a LOT for someone who won’t be seen that often. I mean, she’s in all the videos shown as an individual character, given the importance of an actual character. I think if we were just given the first video showing her transformation and then it was left at that, people would be a lot less surprised… however, they didn’t even show suited Samus for a long time and constantly showed off the agility of Zamus.
just seems a bad idea to hype up a certain character and then finally reveal it as seeming like a negative consequence of playing as Samus.

 

[Salmon Of Doubt]

Again, maybe it is not a negative consequence, as someone already stated? Maybe the boost in agility makes samus a better character? From what I have seen so far, the idea behind doing a final smash never puts the user at a disadvantage.

For pichu/pikachu, I know from playing pokemon silver/gold that the two can be different individual pokemon, right? There are many pikachus that live in the world of pokemon, as there are many pichus. Not just one who evolves one time.

You are right, I forgot the Dr. Mario/ Mario problem. The only way I can explain that is that they are in separate game universes. Also, I don’t know the history of the character, so my knowledge of what Dr. Mario’s ‘game universe’ consists of is limited.

That argument can be reapplied to the Link/ Young Link topic. We could say that Link is from ocarina, and Young Link is from majora’s mask. Although the games are in the same story line, they are still separate games. Similarly, Dr. Mario and Mario have never appeared in the same game, to my knowledge. I have a feeling that nintendo won’t make any cash out ‘clones’ this time around either…but who knows. I bet this has been discussed thousands of times by now, but I wonder what nintendo’s rules are for including characters? Maybe by leaving the “must have appeared in a nintendo game” rule by inclusion of snake opens it up a host of other possibilities, such as “two of the same person.” All technicalities aside, I think the idea of making samus’ suit fall apart from using so much energy is a fantastic idea, maybe more of a gimmick than anything else, since we only see ‘zamus’ briefly in each metroid game the has come out. It just sounds cooler to me than if you could take off the suit anytime you wanted. You couldn’t do it in the metroid universe or else you would probably end up dead, so why should you be allowed to do it here? (yes, I know the rules about this too are unknown).

 

[falcofuku69]

I think Jill Valentine is the best addation to smash…think of the posibilities

 

[SuicideBomb-omber]

@ Salmon Of Doubt

Last Paragraph, Sentence10:
Saumus would be able to take the suit off here because shes not in space(DUH)
and shed die because of the absence of oxegen and carbon dioxide in space.And if anyone has played the classic NES game “METROID” you’d notice that once you ran out of HP or whatever Saumus’ suit would break and she’d come out screaming with only a black bra and panties…:D—*DROOL*

 

[SuicideBomb-omber]

@Falcofuku69

I’ll try……

 

[SuicideBomb-omber]

&gt;

 

[homelessvagrant]

I still believe zamus is just a gimmick if anything. People shouldn’t complain about using her until you actual know how she handles (dirty joke aside). You could be getting all worked up over playing zamus and then when you use her realize she’s completely low tier. So really this debate should wait till brawl comes out.

 

[falcofuku69]

umm, zamus might be good. Wait, shes a female and they all suck without a suit or something helping them

 

[METROID MAN]

HOLY CRAP! I WAS GONE FOR A BIT AND…..WOOOOOW!

let’s let the resident metroid-oligest handle this.
no, you cant switch back but you can choose to start as ZAMUS…

no, the gun has never opened that wide

im typing on a wii so its really slow

 

[METROID MAN]

oh and FALCOFUK69…..IF that IS your real name….
hello again…