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Chill

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To be honest the first thread looked liked crap and I was going to close it. Luckily for you guys Wii4Mii saved it.

When I saw all of these threads pop up at first I was going to close those to for being similar to the analysis on Smogon. But Smogon isn't the only place to talk about pokemon so I'm fine with you guys making these under these conditions.

Follow the created format.

[Picure of pokemon]

[Pokemon] Name
[Type(s)] /
[Ability(s)] 1
2 if it has one
[Base Stats]

-HP 108
-AT 130
-DE 95
-SA 80
-SD 85
-SP 102

-Typing
OFFENSIVELY-What coverage to the pokemon's STAB moves grant it? What pokemon are they especially useful for?
DEFENSIVELY-What Weaknesses does the pokemon have (and how common is that move type)? What resistances and immunities, if any(and how useful are they)?

-Base Stats
OFFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base ATTACK, SPECIAL ATTACK, AND SPEED. Discounting stat altering moves and the like entirely, on based on the pokemon's BASE stats)
DEFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base DEFENSE, SPECIAL DEFENSE, AND HIT POINTS. Same rules that apply for OFFENSIVE base stats)

-Base Stats
OFFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base ATTACK, SPECIAL ATTACK, AND SPEED. Discounting stat altering moves and the like entirely, on based on the pokemon's BASE stats)
DEFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base DEFENSE, SPECIAL DEFENSE, AND HIT POINTS. Same rules that apply for OFFENSIVE base stats)

-Move Pool
OFFENSIVELY-Which (useful) offensive moves does it carry (and how broad is the type diversity)? What types can this pokemon effectively cover? Are they any pokemon that resist the majority of this pokemon's moves?
DEFENSIVELY-What moves can this pokemon viably use defensively?
-Ability
OFFENSIVELY-What does the pokemon's ability do for it offensively?
DEFENSIVELY-What does the pokemon's ability do for it defensively?

-Uses
OFFENSIVELY-How many different battle roles can this pokemon fill offensively? How important are these roles to the typical six pokemon team?
DEFENSIVELY-How many different battle roles can this pokemon fill defensively? How important are these roles to the typical six pokemon team?

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Some of the already created RTPs have a numerical rating under each section. Do not put those in your RTPs. I say this because a rating is based on opinion and does not help to educate less experienced players. As a person may not understand why a pokemon that only has two weaknesses recieves a 6/10 rating while a pokemon with 5 recieves a 8/10.

Important: Do not create a RTP is you are don't know what you're talking about. If you don't want to do damage calculations than don't bother. You're wasting the time of everyone involved.

Lastly, although I just used Metadours format I'm leaving this open to discuss it. The format seems rather complicated to me. Where do the sets and EVs go in the above format? I looked at the Garchomp RTP and it was a mess. I think we need to trim the the fat.

Until we decide on a format do not post anymore RTPs.
 

Metadour-2

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yeah sorry about all the trouble chill.

it was just an idea. i've consistently asked for organization help but all the help i've got so far was info on the pokes.

I agree.
No one else should post until we get this straight.
AND at least notify me on the main thread first!

again, i apologize Chill.
thanks for givin it a chance.
 

Chill

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Heh, you don't need to be so apoligetic. I thought the format was a good idea but when I looked at the result it wans't so great. The sections are fragmented into several different post but this could be fixed with an edit. The thing is if someone wants to find the set and EVs for a pokemon it needs to be easier.

I don't really want it to look exactly like the smogon analysis's as that would defeat the purpose of making these. But if someone just wants to most used/most effective set they should be able to find it more easily.

For example, in the Garchomp section a moveset is listed but it does not give other options and list no EVs. The set itself blends right in with the rest of the post. There's a chain chomp set but it's only listed after a lengthy psued-convo with Wii4Mii. It even links to smogon which makes the whole post seem rather pointless. I could just make a topic linking to all of the smogon analysis if we're going to do that.
 

Wii4Mii 99

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Oh darn... I just started a Weavile one... OK, until wii get this straight, I won't do anything to it.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 

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alright, i'm gonna go take the numbered ratings out, add a moveset section, and make it part of the format on the main thread. (WITH EVS included).

I'll do it when i can get off the Wii and use my PC.

as far as W4M goes Chill, should he follow the format can he continue with WEAVILE?
i think he's experienced enough hehe

oh btw if you want to close the salamence thread do it.
it was without my consent and its uuber sloppy and vague.

thanks again
 

Metadour-2

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btw CHILL?

the threads are totally out of wack.
I actually made the fixes you requested to Garchomp and Gyarados, and fixed the main thread as well, however when i try to post the differences it won't accept it.

I tried trimming down the size of the thread, but it wouldn't work.

I even tried posting the changes in a quick reply, but it wouldn't work either.

There's gotta be something i'm missing here.
Want to help me out?
 

Wii4Mii 99

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Why didn't I see the bolded part at the bottom? It clearly says Until wii decide on a format, don't make anymore RTPs. And look what I did. I made one. And Celebi made two. And we haven't decided on a format yet. I'm sorry, Chill. No more until wii decide.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 

Chill

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I closed all of the RTPs for the time being until we can get this sorted out. If this is going to be done it needs to be done right or else it will just become an annyonce.

I thought about this for awhile trying to decide on a way to keep Metadours format without loosing the purpose of each thread. I really like the idea of going into the typing, etc of each pokemon but it just seemed to be a problem. This is what I came up with it's similar to what is already being used but I made a few changes.

[Pic]
Pokemon Name: ****
Ability: ****
If it has two add the other one beneath it.
Type: ???/???
Base Stats:

-Hp ***
-Attk ***
-Def ***
-Sp. Attk ***
-Sp. Def ***
-Spd ***

Movesets with comments below each one explaining it's use.

Name: Sweeper/ Supporter, etc
EVs: ***
move 1
move 2
move 3/optional move(s)
move 4/ optional move(s)

Then use Metadours format to go really indepth for those who wish to learn more about the pokemon.

-Typing
OFFENSIVELY-What coverage to the pokemon's STAB moves grant it? What pokemon are they especially useful for?
DEFENSIVELY-What Weaknesses does the pokemon have (and how common is that move type)? What resistances and immunities, if any(and how useful are they)?

-Base Stats
OFFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base ATTACK, SPECIAL ATTACK, AND SPEED. Discounting stat altering moves and the like entirely, on based on the pokemon's BASE stats)
DEFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base DEFENSE, SPECIAL DEFENSE, AND HIT POINTS. Same rules that apply for OFFENSIVE base stats)

-Move Pool
OFFENSIVELY-Which (useful) offensive moves does it carry (and how broad is the type diversity)? What types can this pokemon effectively cover? Are they any pokemon that resist the majority of this pokemon's moves?
DEFENSIVELY-What moves can this pokemon viably use defensively?
-Ability
OFFENSIVELY-What does the pokemon's ability do for it offensively?
DEFENSIVELY-What does the pokemon's ability do for it defensively?

-Uses
OFFENSIVELY-How many different battle roles can this pokemon fill offensively? How important are these roles to the typical six pokemon team?
DEFENSIVELY-How many different battle roles can this pokemon fill defensively? How important are these roles to the typical six pokemon team?

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Honestly, I like Metadours format but I just can't see it being as efficient as the way that pokemon sets are already done (comparing both smogons and serebiis). There is freedom to make the analysis our own but it needs to be effective.

Feel free to showcase your own format or comment on existing ones so we can decide which to use. My main concern with the one I just used is the possibility of redundancy in the set comments and indepth look.

edit: When I saw "feel free" I mean I really want to hear from you guys so this doesn't just die as an incomplete project.
 

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aw darn. After all that work.
Although i do agree with Chill.

I made a standard format on the main thread but virtually NO ONE bothered to go back to it and check out the rules.
I was constantly reminding people to do this and that, it was too much of a hassle.
I think if we're going to seriously do this we need to be organized, and we'll vote on someone to start ALL RTP threads, that way we don't have random people posting RTPs with no consent and totally inconsistent with the format issues.

I think having movesets first would be neat too.
Honestly I just wanted to make a system for rating pokemon on SWF.
I'm never on smogon or serebii forums, i don't find them quite as appealing as SWF.

I don't know how simular they were to Smogon, but if that's a problem Chill i totally understand...

I just wish i would have saved what we had done before you closed it lol...
 

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i'd have put this in an edit but i guarantee no one would have noticed.
I suggest going to this thread:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=113341
And analyzing exactly what should be fixed within it.
What should be upgraded, what should go, how to move things around, etc.
that thread is the closest i got to Chill's format, i tried to listen to what he said before it got closed (still did though lol).


I think we need opinions from different people (besides chill, Wii4Mii, Zook, and I)
although agreeably, we did have tons of fun on this together.

LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT ALIVE PEOPLE!
I'm outa ideas...
 

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No yeah, i know about the serebii ones, i read them every week lol.

Ours was quite different than that, which is one of the reasons i did it.
Plus, they do one pokemon EVERY WEEK.
We just got started and we did (OFFICIALLY) close to 5 or 6 in two days (not counting the salamence and other threads without permission or format).

the smogon does look simular though.
Well, although it pains me :sob: if you think it's TOO simular i understand...
I did say in my first thread the idea was probably already out there.
Guess it was?

but LET'S STILL KEEP IT ALIVE! I hope!
What can we do to differentiate it a bit?
 

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I liked the idea of everybody helping put together one pokemon, personally. However, it was quite messy. If we were to use the Edit button or make the RTPs through PMs, though, this problem could be cured.

Still, though, the whole format problem still needs to be cleared up. I like the Serebii style because it is alot cleaner.

Although, I did find it intersting posting defensive movesets for Chomp and Gyara...
 

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i think we should pre plan it before randomly posting, have one person post all threads and start them a certain way (start with the pic and base stats and do movesets) and then BEFORE people start posting other stuff have them PM the person who started the thread asking permission to do a certain segment.
We could then post on the thread who's doing what, and when it's all done post it all together, in the format above *with some final adjustments*
 

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We could try this as a layout.

picture
/nickname of set listed/
-Pokemon
-Nature
-EV
-move1
-move2
-move3
-move4

In a few sentences or so, explain how this set is used. Repeat until you have stated all variations of moveset for said pokemon.

Then...

-Typing-
Offensive -
Explain how STAB works with this pokemon.

Defensive -
Explain how it's typing allows it to take hits, etc.

-Base Stats-
Offensive -
Att - *
Spatk - *
Spd - *
Then state how it can be put to use as an attacker.

Defensine -
HP - *
Def - *
Spdef - *
Then explain how it could take hits with it's HP, Def, and Spdef.

-Movepool-
Offensive Physical -
List moves that lean towards the Physical side like Earthquake, Swords Dance, etc.

Offensive Special -
List moves that lean to the other side such as Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Calm Mind, etc.

Defensive -
List moves that involve walling or purely Sp/Def raising like Recover, Barrier, Light Screen, etc.

Other -
List it's usuable moves that don't fall int other categories like Will-o-wisp, Rain Dance, etc.

-Countering-
This would fall into two categories; What it counters, and, What it's countered by. Explain as detailed as possible the pokemon in it's tier (Uber, OU, BL, UU, NU), how it would counter some pokemon and how some pokemon counter it.
 

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i didn't think about tiers. that's a good idea. i think we should mix in that format, i thought the physical/special/other thing was good, but that leaves too many categories.

we might do physical moves, special, and then defensive/supportive.
 

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Well, Metadour, when you put it like that, How about Physical involving Attack and Defense and the Special category as well. The Other category, well, that's self-explanatory.
 

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Here's my shot at a layout. Can I do flygons RTP?

PICTURE
NAME OF POKEMON
TYPE(S)
HP: ???
ATK: ???
DEF: ???
SP ATK: ???
SP DEF: ???
SPD: ???

TITLE OF SET
NATURE
ABILITY(IF THERE IS A RECOMMENDED ONE)
EVS
MOVE1
MOVE2
MOVE3
MOVE4

NOTES ON THE SET



AT THE END OF THE POKEMON'S ANALYSIS:
PROS/CONS/OPINIONS
COUNTERS
EV OPTIONS(OPTIONAL)
 

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Listing the base stats is important because not everyone has all of them memorized. Or at least I dont. It's much simpler to have them right in front of you than cross referencing them with Smogon.

Oh, and the base stats should go in a horizontal format to save space.
And next to the name of the pokemon put the National Pokedex number.
 

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yeah, i figured that was why after i posted it. i guess its useful to have listed. and i was thinking about going horizontal, but, this way people wont get mixed up by where the speed is placed cuz some people do:
hp/atk/def/spd/spatk/spdef

while others do:
hp/atk/def/spatk/spdef/spd
 

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I think that our RTP's shouldn't have excessive information, as to not scare away those that are new to competitive Pokemon. I like Titus' format, but it looks very similar to Smogons, and it would be nice to have something unique.

Here's what I suggest:

Pokemon name, with corresponding picture below.

The Pokemons base stats posted in the format of HP/Attack/Defense/Special Attack/Special Defense/Speed

A link to the Pokemon's Serebii page, so that people can have easy access to its movepool and stats.

A description of that Pokemon's role(s) in the current D/P scene. This will allow people to see what this Pokemon is mainly used for, and let them begin forming movesets in their mind before actually posting any. Creative movesets can go a long way in the game IMO, as they can surprise opponents with moves that they wouldn't expect (such as my Counter/Mirror Coat Gastrodon).

Some of the more common movesets of the Pokemon, for obvious reasons. Each move should have a description detailing its usage in the moveset, as well as the strategy of the moveset.

Last, but not least, a list of moves that have potential but didn't fit into any of the posted movesets. This allows people to see moves that can be used instead of having to filter through all the moves on the Serebii page.



So thats what I think.
 

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yeah, mine is rather similar to that of smogons, but it it also plain, simple, and isnt a hassle to read or understand, unless youve never played pokemon, which would be odd.
 

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the whole point was to differentiate ours from smogon's and serebiis, so were definitely NOT linking ours to either one.

Doing what titus said would be nice, as it would be TOO informative, but that's exactly what the other two are missing. Plus, why would you be looking this stuff up if you had NO IDEA what it was?

This is, i think, what we've done for the format so far.

[Pic]
Pokemon Name: ****
National Pokedex Number
Ability: ****/****
Type: ???/???
Base Stats:

-Hp ***
-Attk ***
-Def ***
-Sp. Attk ***
-Sp. Def ***
-Spd ***

Movesets with comments below each one explaining it's use.

Moveset Name: Sweeper/ Supporter, etc
Hold Item
Ability
Nature
EVs: ***
move 1
move 2
move 3/optional move(s)
move 4/ optional move(s)


and post more movesets if they exist. Explain the reasoning behind each move, the EVs, the nature, EVERYTHING. And try to make it in depth but not too lengthy.

Then use Metadours format to go really indepth for those who wish to learn more about the pokemon.

-Typing
OFFENSIVELY-What coverage to the pokemon's STAB moves grant it? What pokemon are they especially useful for?
DEFENSIVELY-What Weaknesses does the pokemon have (and how common is that move type)? What resistances and immunities, if any(and how useful are they)?


-Base Stats
OFFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base ATTACK, SPECIAL ATTACK, AND SPEED. Discounting stat altering moves and the like entirely, on based on the pokemon's BASE stats)
DEFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base DEFENSE, SPECIAL DEFENSE, AND HIT POINTS. Same rules that apply for OFFENSIVE base stats)



-Move Pool
OFFENSIVELY-Which (useful) offensive moves does it carry (and how broad is the type diversity)? What types can this pokemon effectively cover? Are they any pokemon that resist the majority of this pokemon's moves?
DEFENSIVELY-What moves can this pokemon viably use defensively?


-Ability
OFFENSIVELY-What does the pokemon's ability do for it offensively?
DEFENSIVELY-What does the pokemon's ability do for it defensively?


-Uses
OFFENSIVELY-How many different battle roles can this pokemon fill offensively? How important are these roles to the typical six pokemon team?
DEFENSIVELY-How many different battle roles can this pokemon fill defensively? How important are these roles to the typical six pokemon team?


Those, of course, have to be color coded according to what i originally suggested.
AND MOVESETS must be in BOLD, UNDERLINED, WHITE FORMAT.

I was thinking for movepool we could actually list all of the viable moves available to the pokemon, list all of the physical options, the special options, and then the other options (defensive/supportive).

but don't make it HUGE. just a list.
That's what i got so far.
Anybody want to add their thoughts?
(btw look at this thread if you want to know what they looked like before, so you can suggest what needs to be changed...)

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=113341
 

Wii4Mii 99

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the whole point was to differentiate ours from smogon's and serebiis, so were definitely NOT linking ours to either one.

Doing what titus said would be nice, as it would be TOO informative, but that's exactly what the other two are missing. Plus, why would you be looking this stuff up if you had NO IDEA what it was?

This is, i think, what we've done for the format so far.

[Pic]
Pokemon Name: ****
National Pokedex Number
Ability: ****/****
Type: ???/???
Base Stats:

-Hp ***
-Attk ***
-Def ***
-Sp. Attk ***
-Sp. Def ***
-Spd ***

Movesets with comments below each one explaining it's use.

Moveset Name: Sweeper/ Supporter, etc
Hold Item
Ability
Nature
EVs: ***
move 1
move 2
move 3/optional move(s)
move 4/ optional move(s)


and post more movesets if they exist. Explain the reasoning behind each move, the EVs, the nature, EVERYTHING. And try to make it in depth but not too lengthy.

Then use Metadours format to go really indepth for those who wish to learn more about the pokemon.

-Typing
OFFENSIVELY-What coverage to the pokemon's STAB moves grant it? What pokemon are they especially useful for?
DEFENSIVELY-What Weaknesses does the pokemon have (and how common is that move type)? What resistances and immunities, if any(and how useful are they)?


-Base Stats
OFFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base ATTACK, SPECIAL ATTACK, AND SPEED. Discounting stat altering moves and the like entirely, on based on the pokemon's BASE stats)
DEFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base DEFENSE, SPECIAL DEFENSE, AND HIT POINTS. Same rules that apply for OFFENSIVE base stats)



-Move Pool
OFFENSIVELY-Which (useful) offensive moves does it carry (and how broad is the type diversity)? What types can this pokemon effectively cover? Are they any pokemon that resist the majority of this pokemon's moves?
DEFENSIVELY-What moves can this pokemon viably use defensively?


-Ability
OFFENSIVELY-What does the pokemon's ability do for it offensively?
DEFENSIVELY-What does the pokemon's ability do for it defensively?


-Uses
OFFENSIVELY-How many different battle roles can this pokemon fill offensively? How important are these roles to the typical six pokemon team?
DEFENSIVELY-How many different battle roles can this pokemon fill defensively? How important are these roles to the typical six pokemon team?


Those, of course, have to be color coded according to what i originally suggested.
AND MOVESETS must be in BOLD, UNDERLINED, WHITE FORMAT.

I was thinking for movepool we could actually list all of the viable moves available to the pokemon, list all of the physical options, the special options, and then the other options (defensive/supportive).

but don't make it HUGE. just a list.
That's what i got so far.
Anybody want to add their thoughts?
(btw look at this thread if you want to know what they looked like before, so you can suggest what needs to be changed...)

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=113341
I like this format. It looks detailed and organized.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 

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You forgot something, Metadour...

-Counters
Offensively - What pokemon does this pokemon, in their respective tier, effectively counter, and state how and why it can.
Defensively - What pokemon make an effective counter to the pokemon rated, in their respective tier. Specify how and why.


This would make it WAY too long, but what about pokemon that this should be used with.
 

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i think that would make an iteresting 7th and final section.

what do we say? can we agree on that or is there more to be done?
 

Wii4Mii 99

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Everything looks fine to me. Chill was the one that said our first format was missing stuff, so he should defenitely know if something is missing from this one.

After all, he's the Pokemon moderator. He doesn't want our formats messing up his Poke Center, if the formats are messy and unappealing.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

Edit: Arn't we voting for someone to start the RTP threads? I vote for Meta.
 

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This is as far as I've gotten with this.
I've made it neater, included new ideas from tons of people, and tried to keep all the not so vital stuff out. If there are any more additions that need to be done, it should be done based on this.


Originally Posted by Metadour-2 View Post
the whole point was to differentiate ours from smogon's and serebiis, so were definitely NOT linking ours to either one.

Doing what titus said would be nice, as it would be TOO informative, but that's exactly what the other two are missing. Plus, why would you be looking this stuff up if you had NO IDEA what it was?

This is, i think, what we've done for the format so far.

[Pic]
Pokemon Name: ****
National Pokedex Number:
Metagame Tier:
Ability: ****/****
Type: ???/???
Base Stats:

-Hp ***
-Attk ***
-Def ***
-Sp. Attk ***
-Sp. Def ***
-Spd ***

Then have a CONTENT section.

1: MOVESETS
2: TYPING
3: BASE STATS
4: MOVE POOL
5: ABILITY
6: USES
7: COUNTERS

Movesets with comments below each one explaining it's use.

Moveset Name: Sweeper/ Supporter, etc
Hold Item
Ability
Nature
EVs: ***
move 1
move 2
move 3/optional move(s)
move 4/ optional move(s)

and post more movesets if they exist. Explain the reasoning behind each move, the EVs, the nature, EVERYTHING. And try to make it in depth but not too lengthy.

Then use Metadours format to go really indepth for those who wish to learn more about the pokemon.

-Typing
OFFENSIVELY-What coverage to the pokemon's STAB moves grant it? What pokemon are they especially useful for?
DEFENSIVELY-What Weaknesses does the pokemon have (and how common is that move type)? What resistances and immunities, if any(and how useful are they)?


-Base Stats
OFFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base ATTACK, SPECIAL ATTACK, AND SPEED. Discounting stat altering moves and the like entirely, on based on the pokemon's BASE stats)
DEFENSIVELY-(Mostly the pokemon's Base DEFENSE, SPECIAL DEFENSE, AND HIT POINTS. Same rules that apply for OFFENSIVE base stats)


-Move Pool
OFFENSIVELY-Which (useful) offensive moves does it carry (and how broad is the type diversity)? What types can this pokemon effectively cover? Are they any pokemon that resist the majority of this pokemon's moves?
DEFENSIVELY-What moves can this pokemon viably use defensively?


-Ability
OFFENSIVELY-What does the pokemon's ability do for it offensively?
DEFENSIVELY-What does the pokemon's ability do for it defensively?



-Uses
OFFENSIVELY-How many different battle roles can this pokemon fill offensively? How important are these roles to the typical six pokemon team?
DEFENSIVELY-How many different battle roles can this pokemon fill defensively? How important are these roles to the typical six pokemon team?


-Counters
Offensively - What pokemon does this pokemon, in their respective tier, effectively counter, and state how and why it can.
Defensively - What pokemon make an effective counter to the pokemon rated, in their respective tier. Specify how and why.


Those, of course, have to be color coded according to what i originally suggested.
AND MOVESETS must be in BOLD, UNDERLINED, WHITE FORMAT.

I was thinking for movepool we could actually list all of the viable moves available to the pokemon, list all of the physical options, the special options, and then the other options (defensive/supportive).

but don't make it HUGE. just a list.
That's what i got so far.
Anybody want to add their thoughts?
(btw look at this thread if you want to know what they looked like before, so you can suggest what needs to be changed...)

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=113341
 

Wii4Mii 99

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Me and Meta have decided that, since we are the only ones that are actually doing to stuff with this, this is what we'll do:

There are 8 categories.

1. General, where the pic, dex #, etc. goes.
2. Movesets
3. Typing
4. Base Stats
5. Movepool
6. Ability
7. Uses
8. Counters

Meta posts a thread and and does the first 4 categories. Then I post next and finish by posting the last 4 categories. If anyone else posts before I finish mine, Chill, if you could gladly remove the post, please do so.

Of course, we still need his approval.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 

Metadour-2

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I fixed up the format a little bit, added a content section and stuff.

Well, W4M, we're not the ONLY ones, lol.
I'd still be willing to take input from people AFTER the whole thing is completed, i still happen to value other people's opinions.

But like Wii4Mii said, he and I would complete it first, and then afterwards we would take comments and suggestions.

I can't think of anything else chill!
do we still need help or are we close enough?

AND why is the main thread opened again?
 

Wii4Mii 99

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I fixed up the format a little bit, added a content section and stuff.

Well, W4M, we're not the ONLY ones, lol.
I'd still be willing to take input from people AFTER the whole thing is completed, i still happen to value other people's opinions.

But like Wii4Mii said, he and I would complete it first, and then afterwards we would take comments and suggestions.

I can't think of anything else chill!
do we still need help or are we close enough?

AND why is the main thread opened again?
Well... yeah... Wii wern't the only ones doing this. Zook helped, but then he sorta stopped... Celebi did some, but... meh. chubb did one, but it wasn't detailed and was in the old format.

It just, mii and Meta seem to be the only ones that are actually trying to figure out an organized format so wii can start doing some RTPs.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 

Zook

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You guys do know I have a life outside of this website and can't always be on, right?

I think Metadour's format is fine. We'll just have to see what Chill says. I'll be gone most of the weekend, btw
 

Metadour-2

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we all have a life lol.
i have school, a job, two clubs, and other stuuuuff to do.

but i'm on vacation now
=)

so we wait.
for chill.
 

Wii4Mii 99

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I don't have a life. Until August 28. That's when school starts. :( And I have to go to bed at 10:00 instead of 12:00. And I have to wake up at 5:00 instead of 8:00. :(

Chill must have a life, too.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 

Metadour-2

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rofl @ W4M...

yeah, my life ends next monday :gasp:

although i can't complain.

we left may 22 and get back august 20th. thats a long vacation!

WE are getting sidetracked.
although we might as well while we wait... hehe.
PBR Anyone?
 

Wii4Mii 99

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I don't plan on getting PBR. The only cool thing is seeing your Pokemon in 3D and seeing the moves look cool. Other than that, I heard PBR is suckish.

DS WiFi battles FTW.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 

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Well, I see a problem in your format. If you think about it, smogons analysis is more appealing. Why? Well because yours is so darn complex and has so much detail and explaining and whatnot to the point where there is too much. However if that is the way you want to do this be my guest.
 

JTB

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Thats why I suggested mine. You don't want to overwhelm people with information.
 

Wii4Mii 99

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What's so bad about overwhelming people with information?

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 
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