The big problem why people harshly hate Roy, or why they may talk bad about him, is because how he was hyped, even by top players. Also because of the nature of DLC characters people would move on to the next character and ignore the last, so now we have the faithful. Most people I've noticed outside this Thread know jack all about how Roy actually works.
Example being like "Roy? Who cares Cloud is better"
If you read anything from r/Smashbros, character advice shouldn't be taken seriously (unless its Praxis, or a known name). Seriously if you ever see any threads there with "What Character counters Bayonetta" the comments look like it was a kid that beat a crappy Bayo in GF, I read the comments for entertainment value. And that sub reddit seems to hate Roy for almost no reason. Honestly I should of made an account here years ago, and I did because I really wanted to take Roy seriously as I did in Melee and I knew this time he had more potential and like I said, you almost cannot talk about Roy anywhere else.
Giant rant aside, I think Roy's fair and jab are amazing options that some characters would love to have. Those two and down tilt are my go to neutral options and work for me so far. I'm still trying to get up air in there somewhere.
This. This this this.
Now you see why I become vehement about r/circlejerkbros when people bring it up here.
It's a massive pretentious cesspool of the absolute worst personalities and opinions in the smash community, and Reddit is horribly, horribly, horribly designed for Nintendo communities. I find obscure indie subreddits much better, so I'm not sure whether it's horribly designed for gaming as a whole or not.
For Glory kids, stream monsters, neckbeards, you name it. It's their playground, and thanks to the upvote system, it doesn't matter how good an argument or post is.
It's wrong as long as enough salty basement dwellers find it, and you just get a post that looks bad and a hurt reputation on your account permanently even if you work hard to be a good community member. Then you can't comment quickly enough due to having to wait between comments, making defending yourself in a timely manner impossible.
I get angrier and angrier the more I type and remember my experiences there.
Smash 4 Discussion Group on Facebook is just as horrifying to look at, too, but at least Facebook lets you defend yourself, and doesn't have an awful reputation system that's good for nothing.
Why I fundamentally hate how quickly you can post comments on Reddit is partially because censorship never empowers the oppressed, only the oppressors.
Even my favorite series, Fire Emblem, has a subreddit that's pretty horrible and has warped the minds of several friends into horribly typical Reddit mindsets when discussing Fire Emblem. I know someone here who has given into the hate of their own favorite characters, and it's so depressing to see. I almost want to smack it out of them, because a lot of what has influenced them is untrue, and they now have negative thought patterns that evolve into slippery slopes about how nobody likes Roy or how his future's bad. I hate it. I hope they see this and realize how bull**** it is.
The Roy hate's always been on there. It was difficult rallying support on Reddit pre-DLC, because of the upvote/downvote system and how muh Shovelware Knight (it's a great game, I just need a clever name) or King Cruel or whatever were dickridden for the longest time, and how even logical, unassuming and non-hostile arguments defending Roy and justifying him as DLC would be downvoted to oblivion, because Sceptile and indies and snot-nosed inklings with spliddy spladdy shoot guns and dumb little kid haircuts and all sorts of stupid **** and whatnot people masqueraded as "unique." Reddit's the only place where my declone arguments and ideas were ignored entirely, since Roy does have potential to be one of the most unique characters in Smash. I sold a lot of people otherwise, thanks to every single other social media site out there being infinitely better, and those people were still happy with his Luigification.
Luckily Reddit's just a small, small minority of ****ty people. Sometimes people give into the negativity and act like Reddit's the majority or deciding factor of literally anything besides donations.
**** Reddit. I'm so glad it's as weak as it is.
Luckily it wasn't hard to gather tens of thousands of emails and fighter ballot votes personally through literally all other social media out there and a convenient to link website.
People have created lies about Roy for ages, or have been in denial about an overwhelming amount of positive factors for his inclusion and denying that he's one of the main faces of Fire Emblem, so it's only natural some would hang onto that and do their best to pretend he's not in the game. Including by making people think he's an unviable or low-tier character when he's not, doing anything they can in desperation when they've lost long ago.
He's loved by the majority of Fire Emblem and Smash players in the world, I had to really dig and ask for help on statistics in the DLC campaign to prove it, and some people are able to make negativity prominent, fooling people into believing a minority is a worldwide plague, or making them too shy to speak for themselves.
GameFAQ's and r/smashbros are the biggest offenders.
Wow, that got my anger out really well.
TLDR: Reddit sucks, don't browse r/circlejerkbros or any Nintendo subreddits ever, don't do drugs.
Anyways, try approaching with lower fair angles, as in slashing as close to the ground as possible and sweetspotting. Forward momentum really helps too. You can open crazy combos with it, I'll still combo into something at mid-high percents if spaced properly, and it leads to much more at lower percents.
With uair you want to retreat after a whiff or shield hit with Roy's mobility. Know when sweetspot uair and know when sourspot uair lead into things, use them interchangeably.
I wish they'd give us patch notes too. </3
