Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Gormanbros]

Aw, man, I didn't think of Goomy. I want him in now. haha

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Not invalid in the slightest Noah lol. It further cements our point. Come on meow. It shows that Sakurai changes the mechanics of a move, not completely changes it for something else.

You can't compare a character changing the direction of his attack to an entire attack/object. It's invalid in every way.

 

[BKupa666]

Muh recency?

If and when the Blue Toad is not shown alongside Mario 3D Land as the RECENT newcomer, it'll just be that he's unlockable, of course he wouldn't be shown alongside the game he's in. And then, if and when that doesn't happen, it'll be because the Japanese guy who leaked the final roster hasn't shot all of the end credits yet, duh.

 

[TumblrFamous]

This is an awful game. Seriously where am I even gonna get official art of Goomy?

 

[Morbi]

If Sakurai had Toad planned like the rest of the roster he wouldn't have made him a move set, especially when people are getting drastic move changes. It's very simple.

It isn't really that simple. I am not seeing the correlation. There isn't any, unless you can find me a source. It is too arbitrary to throw out "because I say so".

I am speculating that he doesn't want to change her move-set because their are people that main her. However, I also speculate that his views on Toad changed from 8 or 9 years ago. It is all very subjective. There is no right or wrong answer.

If Toad is revealed to be playable in Smash, I was right. If Toad isn't playable in Smash 4, you and Bajef8 were right. It is THAT simple.

 

[Johnknight1]

This is an awful game. Seriously where am I even gonna get official art of Goomy?

If you can't find it, then find whatever you can to make a Wishy for the Issy.

Seriously though, if Goomy is playable, I'ma gonna laugh my booty off SOOOOOOO MUCHHHHH!!!!!

 

[Chandeelure]

So is a gamble, we need to start a thread with who will be revealed in friday:

Mewtwo
Lucario
Pokemon Trainer
Jigglypuff
Pichu
*No one

Who will win ladies and gentleman start your bids. I will bid in Mewtwo.
.n_n.

Pichu

 

[Hotfeet444]

Good afternoon all, hope you're all doing well?

The topic is still the Pokemon newcomer? It's going to be either Pokemon Trainer or Mewtwo, the two biggest characters of Pokemon right now, there's no way around it.

 

[Morbi]

Good afternoon all, hope you're all doing well?

The topic is still the Pokemon newcomer? It's going to be either Pokemon Trainer or Mewtwo, the two biggest characters of Pokemon right now, there's no way around it.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

This official enough for you John?

I don't wanna do a split thing cause its too odd, sorry jigglypuff dontkillmemorbid.

 

[TumblrFamous]

It isn't really that simple. I am not seeing the correlation. There isn't any, unless you can find me a source. It is too arbitrary to throw out "because I say so".

I am speculating that he doesn't want to change her move-set because their are people that main her. However, I also speculate that his views on Toad changed from 8 or 9 years ago. It is all very subjective. There is no right or wrong answer.

If Toad is revealed to be playable in Smash, I was right. If Toad isn't playable in Smash 4, you and Bajef8 were right. It is THAT simple.

As a Peach main, I don't give two ****s about Toad Counter. It's not very effective unless you properly know how to play mind games with it, which could take long amounts of practice. I primarily use it only when I want to use it when I have nothing else to do. Her recovery is as good as it can be, her Butt Bomb is good for perverts, and her turnips are incredible. The Toad just doesn't work out for me.

 

[Bajef8]

You can't compare a character changing the direction of his attack to an entire attack/object. It's invalid in every way.

What are you talking about Noah? He said that Sakurai has changed moves before. Sakurai changes slight factors/directions/effects/minor details. Not replacing an entire move after it's been shown. IE he's further proving our point -__- If they change Peach's neutral-B, it'll be the spore effects, hitbox, coloring and what have you, not the damn move itself.

 

[kikaru]

This is an awful game. Seriously where am I even gonna get official art of Goomy?

Close enough.

 

[Morbi]

As a Peach main, I don't give two ****s about Toad Counter. It's not very effective unless you properly know how to play mind games with it, which could take long amounts of practice. I primarily use it only when I want to use it when I have nothing else to do. Her recovery is as good as it can be, her Butt Bomb is good for perverts, and her turnips are incredible. The Toad just doesn't work out for me.

I don't ever use it either. I just think that he might have a problem with switching her move-set around because she has so many more players than someone like Bowser. Obviously that argument is detrimental to my premise. It proves that Sakurai doesn't mind swapping move-sets around too much. I don't care though. I really don't believe that the counter has any relation or correlation to Toad's chances. Call me crazy. I just don't.

 

[Phan7om]

The Jiggly-vibe is strong with this one.

Gohan, get some Jiggs action somewhere in your avatar/character mains/sig area. You're one of us.

K wait, I'm busy. I'll do it by today.

 

[Bajef8]

This official enough for you John?

I don't wanna do a split thing cause its too odd, sorry jigglypuff dontkillmemorbid.

Jigglypuff does not approve.

 

[Morbi]

K wait, I'm busy. I'll do it by today.

Jigglypuff does approve.

 

[Gormanbros]

You know, I kind of want to see Jigglypuff, but I'm expecting Pokémon Trainer over it.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I see it like this:

• Mewtwo: Arguably the one that will bring the most hype and the most important Pokemon rep after Pikachu. But that is what benefits and hurts him. He could get revealed, or he will be pushed aside for later when all the real hype happens.
• Pokemon Trainer: The main character with three very popular and iconic Pokemon. His only downside is development time, whether or not they're ready to show these three characters. Plus, that's six characters in a little over a month. That is simply ridiculous.
• Lucario: Relevant to Pokemon right now to be promoted, and a very popular Pokemon that would raise hype if revealed. However, he is in some danger of being cut. Also, he might not be shown just yet because there is someone better to raise hype.
• Jigglypuff: The original, classic Pokemon who had a very large audience. While died down, she is still remembered as a classic Nintendo All-Star. However, her downside is, based on the reveals previously shown, she really doesn't have that much importance to X/Y than these three above her.

How I see who would be revealed.

 

[Morbi]

You know, I kind of want to see Jigglypuff, but I'm expecting Pokémon Trainer over it.

I am the opposite. I already know Jigglypuff is coming back, I don't need confirmation. However, I would like to see Pokemon Trainer. I am not so certain about his fate.

 

[Bajef8]

2. I was attempting to covey that he is playable in a few Mario games (the Wii U ones). Bowser Jr. is not.
3. Just the cross promotion aspect. That is all I am getting at. He would be the BEST character to reveal for Super Mario 3D World.
4. I honestly think Jr. would be a clone. I shouldn't have said the first part. That was an assumption on my part.
5. I honestly don't think that Peach's move-set has anything to do with Toad. I am sorry. I just don't.
6. I do agree. I just don't want a clone.

Whoops, missed this.
2. Right but main Toad is not playable, just different form of Toad. But then again playability is nullified in your argument by the fact that Bowser is in, whom isn't playable in said games you speak of.
3. Right. But Jr. is still a big promoter for any Mario game in general. It's not like Peach had to promote any specific game with her reveal.
4. He'd be a semi-clone at best. The guy would have some shell and claw based attacks, but his teeth bandana and paint brush would make him feel a lot different from Bowser. Especially because he'd be much smaller, thus feel even more different since every clone/semi-clone is around the same size and weight.
5. And I'm okay with that. Because they're both really opinions, however, I still feel as though history points to my belief's favor. Just a tad.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Still placing my bets on Mewtwo. He's the best choice to promote Pokemon X and Y.

 

[Chandeelure]

I see it like this:

• Mewtwo: Arguably the one that will bring the most hype and the most important Pokemon rep after Pikachu. But that is what benefits and hurts him. He could get revealed, or he will be pushed aside for later when all the real hype happens.
• Pokemon Trainer: The main character with three very popular and iconic Pokemon. His only downside is development time, whether or not they're ready to show these three characters. Plus, that's six characters in a little over a month. That is simply ridiculous.
• Lucario: Relevant to Pokemon right now to be promoted, and a very popular Pokemon that would raise hype if revealed. However, he is in some danger of being cut. Also, he might not be shown just yet because there is someone better to raise hype.
• Jigglypuff: The original, classic Pokemon who had a very large audience. While died down, she is still remembered as a classic Nintendo All-Star. However, her downside is, based on the reveals previously shown, she really doesn't have that much importance to X/Y than these three above her.

How I see who would be revealed.

cof Pichu cof cof

 

[Gormanbros]

Could you guys imagine how the community would react if Pichu came back? It would be hilarious.

 

[Morbi]

I see it like this:

• Mewtwo: Arguably the one that will bring the most hype and the most important Pokemon rep after Pikachu. But that is what benefits and hurts him. He could get revealed, or he will be pushed aside for later when all the real hype happens.
• Pokemon Trainer: The main character with three very popular and iconic Pokemon. His only downside is development time, whether or not they're ready to show these three characters. Plus, that's six characters in a little over a month. That is simply ridiculous.
• Lucario: Relevant to Pokemon right now to be promoted, and a very popular Pokemon that would raise hype if revealed. However, he is in some danger of being cut. Also, he might not be shown just yet because there is someone better to raise hype.
• Jigglypuff: The original, classic Pokemon who had a very large audience. While died down, she is still remembered as a classic Nintendo All-Star. However, her downside is, based on the reveals previously shown, she really doesn't have that much importance to X/Y than these three above her.

How I see who would be revealed.

Thank you. Most people don't seem to realize that all Pokemon have equal chances of being revealed. Pichu included.

Edit: I can't believe I was ninja'ed on Pichu. Great minds think alike.

Whoops, missed this.
2. Right but main Toad is not playable, just different form of Toad. But then again playability is nullified in your argument by the fact that Bowser is in, whom isn't playable in said games you speak of.
3. Right. But Jr. is still a big promoter for any Mario game in general. It's not like Peach had to promote anything.
4. He'd be a semi-clone at best. The guy would have some shell and claw based attacks, but his teeth bandana and paint brush would make him feel a lot different from Bowser. Especially because he'd be much smaller, thus feel even more different since every clone/semi-clone is around the same size and weight.
5. And I'm okay with that. Because they're both really opinions, however, I still feel as though history points to my belief's favor. Just a tad.

2. We are talking about Newcomers. Not veterans. I also don't care about which Toad is playable. Toad is playable. That is enough for me.
3. She was promoting the anniversary. Despite this, I just honestly think she was just thrown in to get her out of the way.
4. We don't know that yet. It depends on how Sora Ltd. and Namco develop him.

 

[TumblrFamous]

cof Pichu cof cof

Pichu: Irrelevant to Smash, Pokemon, and was taken out for a reason. However, represents the baby Pokemon, generation 2, and that's it. Being revealed now, if he is even in the game, is unlikely, being that he has no relation to X/Y other than basically being in the game. He has as much likelihood to be revealed as Zubat.

 

[Curious Villager]

I know you guys hate the thought of it but.... What if we got a Pokemon newcomer? (A proper one, Mewtwo and Pichu don't count.) :x
Maybe not for the release of X and Y but sometime down the line?

 

[Chandeelure]

Pichu: Irrelevant to Smash, Pokemon, and was taken out for a reason. However, represents the baby Pokemon, generation 2, and that's it. Being revealed now, if he is even in the game, is unlikely, being that he has no relation to X/Y other than basically being in the game. He has as much likelihood to be revealed as Zubat.

Thanks.

 

[Johnknight1]

This official enough for you John?

The Brawl Dojo exists.

 

[Gormanbros]

He has as much likelihood to be revealed as Zubat.

You know, Zubat makes a lot of sense actually.

 

[Morbi]

Pichu: Irrelevant to Smash, Pokemon, and was taken out for a reason. However, represents the baby Pokemon, generation 2, and that's it. Being revealed now, if he is even in the game, is unlikely, being that he has no relation to X/Y other than basically being in the game. He has as much likelihood to be revealed as Zubat.

Pichu: One of the most well-known veterans of Melee. His gimmicks and troll factor made him on of the most popular Smash characters. Pokemon cited that they were going to do something interesting with Pikachu. Not to mention Sakurai alluded to wanting to continue the trend of adding a smaller Pikachu (Plusle and Minun). However, in Smash 4 he kept Toon Link, this could indicate that Pichu will be used as the primary representation. He WOULD be the MOST hype reveal, seeing as NO ONE is expecting him. His spiky ear didn't do much, but it is better than nothing.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Thank you. Most people don't seem to realize that all Pokemon have equal chances of being revealed. Pichu included.

Edit: I can't believe I was ninja'ed on Pichu. Great minds think alike.

Well, Pichu doesn't have the best chances anymore. He was the only character legitimately cut. Young Link was virtually replaced, and they attempted to bring back Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, and Roy before having to stop development on them Pichu was just cut.

But the four I previously stated do have equal chances. All their benefits are countered by their drawbacks, so it's simply a guessing game now.

I do hope that if we see a Pokemon reveal, we get to see a new Pokemon stage!

 

[Johnknight1]

Could you guys imagine how the community would react if Pichu came back? It would be hilarious.

I would be okay with this.

 

[Bajef8]

Thank you. Most people don't seem to realize that all Pokemon have equal chances of being revealed. Pichu included.

Edit: I can't believe I was ninja'ed on Pichu. Great minds think alike.



2. We are talking about Newcomers. Not veterans. I also don't care about which Toad is playable. Toad is playable. That is enough for me.
3. She was promoting the anniversary. Despite this, I just honestly think she was just thrown in to get her out of the way.
4. We don't know that yet. It depends on how Sora Ltd. and Namco develop him.

2. Newcomer or not, it's still not a valid point since thee Toad isn't the playable. A Toad is playable. A Toad won't be in Smash. Thee Toad would be.
3. Hardly promoting anything then, that's just trying to pull a point out of no where. She doesn't have a link to a promotion below her picture like every other post-E3 reveal has. Meaning she wasn't promoting anything. So that point is completely null. A character can be revealed without specific promotion in mind.
4. Anyone who has seen Jr. in any of his appearances knows that. You seriously believe Sakurai would just copy and paste Bowser's moveset to Jr. with just the slightest differences? Even if he did, the fact that Jr. would be smaller and weigh less would still make him a semi-clone, even with the same moveset, just from those 2 differences alone.

 

[Gormanbros]

I'd be okay with Pichu too. Haha. Also, am I doing the quotes right? Haha

 

[Arcadenik]

I still believe Toad has a chance.

• Sakurai loves playing mind games with the fans. He made people think Toon Link was cut with the Spirit Tracks stage. He is obviously trolling the Ridley fans with these Ridley-less Pyrosphere pictures.
• Sakurai himself said Peach's moveset "may be refreshed" by the time SSB4's development is done. This is Sakurai's way of acknowledging that "Toad cannot be playable if he is part of Peach's moveset" logic that the Toad detractors love to use.
• Sakurai could have saved Peach's reveal for when Super Mario 3D World comes out in November... but she was revealed on September. Now Super Mario 3D World has no character reveal unless Toad is that character to advertise Super Mario 3D World on the SSB4 website.
• Bowser Jr. is not in Super Mario 3D World. Therefore it makes no sense for the SSB4 website to say "Want to know more about Bowser Jr.? Visit the official website for Super Mario 3D World!" It makes sense for the SSB4 website to say "Want to know more about Toad? Visit the official website for Super Mario 3D World!"
• Before anyone raises the issue about Olimar and the SSB4 website... notice that the SSB4 website said "Want to know more about Pikmin? Visit the official website for Pikmin 3" It didn't mention Olimar because he is not in Pikmin 3 but the Pikmin are.

 

[Chandeelure]

SOON...

 

[Morbi]

2. Newcomer or not, it's sill not a valid point since thee Toad isn't the playable. A Toad is playable. A Toad won't be in Smash. Thee Toad would be.
3. Hardly promoting anything then, that's just trying to pull a point out of no where. She doesn't have a link to a promotion below her picture like every other post E3 reveal has. Meaning she wasn't promoting anything. So that point is completely null. A character can be revealed without specific promotion in mind.
4. Anyone who has seen Jr. in any of his appearances knows that. You seriously believe Sakurai would just copy and paste Bowser's moveset to Jr. with just the slightest differences? Even if he did, the fact that Jr. would be smaller and weigh less would still make him a semi-clone, even with the same moveset, just from those 2 differences alone.

2. I am talking about criteria for Smash 4. Not Melee. It is valid.
3. Sure, it hasn't happened yet though.
4. Yes.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I know you guys hate the thought of it but.... What if we got a Pokemon newcomer? (A proper one, Mewtwo and Pichu don't count.) :x
Maybe not for the release of X and Y but sometime down the line?

I would enjoy a newcomer. It would suck losing the likes of Mewtwo, Lucario, or Jigglypuff, but a new character is a new character!

And Plusle and Minum weren't confirmed to be planned, IMO, Morbid. There is not enough evidence to make that claim, as there are multiple theories on what "Pra Mai" meant. But hey, Pichu being back? I couldn't care less.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'd be okay with Pichu too. Haha. Also, am I doing the quotes right? Haha

You are doing 100% right.

And I would only be okay with Pichu if Pichu played totally differently, and actually served a purpose other than "LOL GUESS WHAT'S PLAYABLE!?!?!"