Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Gune]

Except it doesn't even come down to perspective, the characters don't share any similarities in their moves aside from two. That's not arguable, that's fact.

You might as well be comparing Samus to Mewtwo.

Or pit to link bow clones.

 

[Johnknight1]

Well, I utterly failed at understanding your post. My bad.

Nah, it's fine. It wasn't the best of wording, lol.

But personally, when I consider a character, I take in mind how likely it actually is, and how much it can actually bring to the table. Given not everyone does that, but that's what I do.

Yeah, the way I do it is I got two questions.

The first question is "are they important enough to be considered=???" You know, things like being a top tier character in a major Nintendo franchise, being the/a main character in a lesser Nintendo franchise, or being the face of a VERY NOTEWORTHY 3rd party franchise.

The second question is "do they have more potential tools and whatnot to make them a better choice than all the other characters not picked=???". While the Ice Climbers weren't as noteworthy as say Toad, they added a lot more than Toad, and thus, got picked to be playable in Melee.

The lack of Simon Belmont bugs me.

Need more whips. (No N3ON, this isn't for Holder)

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Except it doesn't even come down to perspective, the characters don't share any similarities in their moves aside from two. That's not arguable, that's fact.

You might as well be comparing Samus to Mewtwo.

Dat charge beam and shadow ball are so damn similar because they both have... purple. Those two characters must be clones!

 

[courte]

Except it doesn't even come down to perspective, the characters don't share any similarities in their moves aside from two. That's not arguable, that's fact.

You might as well be comparing Samus to Mewtwo.

Would you be willing to agree to disagree?

 

[Morbi]

WHAT is everybody's problem?! SERIOUSLY like what is everybody's grudge against me? The moment I type ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING people will bash me for it, spit in my face or slap me, push me to the ground.... Anything I say cannot be tolerated in any way, all because my opinions ARE NOT your own... The intolerance is amazing, it's like segregation racism where I have to be treated like a lower human being and everybody else is a GOD... Why does everybody have SUCH a GRUDGE against me?! That's all I want to know. "Burn him at the stake, get your pitchforks and torches ready, because when Divine comments on ANYTHING he HAS to be burned at the stake"....
All I want to know is why everybody hates ME...

This is a little late, but I don't hate you. I actually like you a lot. You were kind of rude to me about Jigglypuff, but it is okay. One day you will see that Jigglypuff is the best Smash character ever!

 

[SchAlternate]

This is a little late, but I don't hate you. I actually like you a lot. You were kind of rude to me about Jigglypuff, but it is okay. One day you will see that Jigglypuff is the best Smash character ever!

Your avatar makes that last statement seem threatening...

 

[Morbi]

Would you be willing to agree to disagree?

I am not entirely sure what you are attempting to articulate. If you are indeed implying that Mewtwo and Lucario are clones or too similar, thus making it impossible to have both on the roster... I have to disagree. However, if you mean that Lucario replaced Mewtwo in essence, I most certainly agree. It is certainly a fairly subjective notion. I am going to have to use my fancy latin on this one. Res ipsa loquitor (the thing speaks for itself).

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, I see, sorry.

I assume you're waiting to get Pokemon Z, then

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But seriously, the time I decide to call it quits on playing the games (since I don't really have time and patience for raising Pokémon anymore), Game Freak adds not only my favorite animal growing up, but also a MOTHER****ING T-REX, my fav. dinosaur growing up.
And then Mega Charizard X.....

 

[IsmaR]

Just wait until someone confirms the Mega Entei rumor, Golden.

 

[Arcanir]

Would you be willing to agree to disagree?

If you're trying to say that they're still clones, then no I can't agree to that. There's nothing that makes them clones anymore then there is that makes Mewtwo a "clone" of Samus. They're not even spiritual successors considering that both were planned to be in the game, so I can't agree, Lucario is not made to be nor that similar to Mewtwo.

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But seriously, the time I decide to call it quits on playing the games (since I don't really have time and patience for raising Pokémon anymore), Game Freak adds not only my favorite animal growing up, but also a MOTHER****ING T-REX, my fav. dinosaur growing up.
And then Mega Charizard X.....

It's calling you back man, obey the call, give in to your desire...

 

[Johnknight1]

Please vote in this poll.

http://www.yourfreepoll.com/tkhsczdysp.html

I'm torn between "Yes" and "Don't Care." Eh, I'll put "Yes" because I think if Namco Bandai can fix of Bowser, they can fix up R.O.B. That and I think R.O.B. is worth it, as much crap as I give him and as much as I hate getting timed out in 3 straight tournament matches in 11 minute, 3 stock matches!

Just wait until someone confirms the Mega Entei rumor, Golden.

I'll be sure and have his backup pants ready.

 

[Morbi]

Just wait until someone confirms the Mega Entei rumor, Golden.

I would be a little disappointed. Entei was always my favorite legendary beast. Actually, he was my favorite of any legendary trio. If they desecrate what is appealing about him... I will... do nothing.

 

[Deleted member]

Just wait until someone confirms the Mega Entei rumor, Golden.

Oh ****, I forgot about that rumor.
Supposedly Entei is supposed to have an X and Y one like Mewtwo and Charizard.

If that ends up being real......

0:15

 

[Johnknight1]

Retro choices can be anybody, but only in Smashboards Takamaru has popularity.

Sakurai stated on the Melee Dojo (or on something post-Melee's release related) that if Takamaru got a new game, he might be a newcomer in the next smash game.

 

[Morbi]

Sakurai stated on the Melee Dojo (or on something post-Melee's release related) that if Takamaru got a new game, he might be a newcomer in the next smash game.

So... his time has passed? I mean, if it didn't make it in Brawl, I don't really know why he would make it in Smash 4. Unless a new game came out that I am not aware of. The real thing that gets me is adding a Japan exclusive characters. I am not implying that it is impossible. I do think it attenuates his chances though. That could just be me. I mean one character out of 45 isn't going to kill Westerners (especially because they are the ones asking for him). I just don't know if Nintendo would do it. There isn't a lot of cross promotion to be had. Unless Sakurai revives Takamaru in the same way he revived Pit... I suppose.

 

[Johnknight1]

Nintennnnndddddooooooo... Gah, such a cluster **** of a localization.

All they gotta do is make it a Virtual (Console) release for it on the Wii U (and make sure it doesn't have issues), and suddenly, the problem is mostly solved.

That and/or just package it free/give a free download code with a copy of X. Maybe an HD version or HD friendlier version would be nice.

So... his time has passed?

I doubt "his time has passed," but the question right now is currently "is it Takmaru's time finally=???"

It's kinda like Pit before Brawl was shown; we knew his time was going to come; we just didn't know when.

 

[---]

I wonder if the mods made an exception for the next few days because it's impossible to stop the XY hype?

Oh ****, I forgot about that rumor.
Supposedly Entei is supposed to have an X and Y one like Mewtwo and Charizard.

Wasn't that rumor disproven after some Megas who didn't appear on that list were confirmed?

"Flame Shield Up" (because I'm dealing with an Entei fan)

 

[courte]

I am not entirely sure what you are attempting to articulate. If you are indeed implying that Mewtwo and Lucario are clones or too similar, thus making it impossible to have both on the roster... I have to disagree. However, if you mean that Lucario replaced Mewtwo in essence, I most certainly agree. It is certainly a fairly subjective notion. I am going to have to use my fancy latin on this one. Res ipsa loquitor (the thing speaks for itself).

For me, whether or not two characters are clones has no factor on me thinking they'll be in the game or wanting them to be in.

I do however believe that Lucario replaced Mewtwo, because...y'know that part where that was exactly what happened. I see the characters as quite similar but not to the level of clone status.
An old fools perspective
Link and Young Link are clones. Toon Link is... Similar. something better to some people, something worse to others
Fox and Falco Melee are clones. Falco Brawl is similar. Refreshing to some [like me] disgusting to others [not naming names]
Wolf is the third category. just something... else.

I see way too many similarities, undoubtedly more than are actually there. Might I ask what two moves do every one else see? I suppose I should quote Arcanir... The popularity of the character outside of the game at the time, the little attention to detail with the effects of the attacks. Like I said, I undoubtedly may have the incorrect perspective. The undeniably WRONG mindset, but that's just the way I see it arcanir. The colored flames the shadow ball the up tilt.

they're far enough away that they can't be considered clones. but it also seems to me, is this the furthest apart two characters can be designed away from each other? maybe it's because mewtwo wasn't there, maybe they designed it that way to trick angry old fools like me. I don't know. so i'm willing to disagree, i personally think they look alike, but i'm ok with being wrong there.

 

[Johnknight1]

Did you see mine yet?

I don't know why, but Quagsire's normal super emotion-less face made me laugh hhhhhhaaarrdddd!!!!

 

[Deleted member]

I wonder if the mods made an exception for the next few days because it's impossible to stop the XY hype?



Wasn't that rumor disproven after some Megas who didn't appear on that list were confirmed?

"Flame Shield Up" (because I'm dealing with an Entei fan)

Don't know, but if that's the case, then oh well....

 

[Morbi]

I wonder if the mods made an exception for the next few days because it's impossible to stop the XY hype?



Wasn't that rumor disproven after some Megas who didn't appear on that list were confirmed?

"Flame Shield Up" (because I'm dealing with an Entei fan)

I remember that I was on Test Your Might (Mortal Kombat/Injustice Forum) and they made some exceptions for the week of E3. We could talk about Smash and Killer Instinct. That is partly why I joined. It was really fun talking about Smash.

For me, whether or not two characters are clones has no factor on me thinking they'll be in the game or wanting them to be in.

I do however believe that Lucario replaced Mewtwo, because...y'know that part where that was exactly what happened. I see the characters as quite similar but not to the level of clone status.
An old fools perspective
Link and Young Link are clones. Toon Link is... Similar. something better to some people, something worse to others
Fox and Falco Melee are clones. Falco Brawl is similar. Refreshing to some [like me] disgusting to others [not naming names]
Wolf is the third category. just something... else.

I see way too many similarities, undoubtedly more than are actually there. Might I ask what two moves do every one else see? I suppose I should quote Arcanir... The popularity of the character outside of the game at the time, the little attention to detail with the effects of the attacks. Like I said, I undoubtedly may have the incorrect perspective. The undeniably WRONG mindset, but that's just the way I see it arcanir. The colored flames the shadow ball the up tilt.

they're far enough away that they can't be considered clones. but it also seems to me, is this the furthest apart two characters can be designed away from each other? maybe it's because mewtwo wasn't there, maybe they designed it that way to trick angry old fools like me. I don't know. so i'm willing to disagree, i personally think they look alike, but i'm ok with being wrong there.

I have to agree. As I stated earlier. It is as it appears, Mewtwo was cut, Lucario made it. Let us forget about priority talk as though that makes an objective difference. Mewtwo isn't in Brawl. Lucario is. It is really simple logic. There doesn't even need to be a correlation between the two events. It is irrelevant. The mere notion that one made it while the other didn't is sufficient. I think the two moves are shadow ball/aura sphere... and... that is the only similar move that the two have in my book.

I agree though. I am more than ecstatic that you didn't call Wolf a Fox clone. As a Wolf main... that really gets the blood pumping.

 

[Johnknight1]

If anyone "replaced" Mewtwo (and Roy) in Brawl, it was Sawnic, not Lucario (or Ike).

Troll roster? Take any normal roster and add Chrom and you'll be trolling anybody who buys Smash 4.

...someone should make this their signature!!!

 

[courte]

If anyone "replaced" Mewtwo (and Roy) in Brawl, it was Sawnic, not Lucario (or Ike).

Sonic's moveset is a stain.

I'm not budging on that one.

 

[Gune]

Lucario replaced mew two crap? What is this 2008? He wasn't replaced he was out prioritized by sonics incusion and cut because of time constraints if he was replaced sakurai wouldn't have been working on him at all, the only character who was replaced was young link with toon link.

 

[Morbi]

Sonic's moveset is a stain.

I'm not budging on that one.

My Reaction When Sonic Was Revealed: OMG, this game is going to be great. Sonic? Finally! My dreams have come true! I feel like a little girl again!

My Reaction When Playing as Sonic for the First Time: Um... It will get better?

My Reaction When Playing as Sonic More: It is not going to get better... is it?

My Reaction When Playing as Sonic Today: Why did Random have to pick Sonic? WHY?!


My Reaction When Sonic was Revealed for Smash 4: Meh.

 

[Johnknight1]

I don't care how much I love Sonic more than any Nintendo franchise. The idea of Sonic possibly having more reps than an actual Nintendo franchise in a Nintendo game on a Nintendo console, makes me cringe. Hard.

Having Tails or Dr. Eggman wouldn't be that big of a deal... in Smash 6!!! (because one of these 2 forthcoming games is Smash 5)

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Just hypothetically speaking, if the mega form rumor about Entei were true, what would that mean for Raikou or Suicune, or perhaps more importantly, their creator Ho-oh, who could use a Mega Charizard kind of treatment for its 4x fire/flying weakness? D:

 

[Morbi]

Just hypothetically speaking, if the mega form rumor about Entei were true, what would that mean for Raikou or Suicune, or perhaps more importantly, their creator Ho-oh, who could use a Mega Charizard kind of treatment for its 4x fire/flying weakness? D:

Please don't hurt my childhood anymore.... please! It has had enough!

 

[shrooby]

Lucario replaced mew two crap? What is this 2008? He wasn't replaced he was out prioritized by sonics incusion and cut because of time constraints if he was replaced sakurai wouldn't have been working on him at all, the only character who was replaced was young link with toon link.

And Pichu, who was replaced with Random Slot.

 

[courte]

i thought squirtle. learning something new everyday

 

[Banjodorf]

Retro doesn't use him due to respect of Rare.

Source? If not, get that **** outta here!

Anyway. Yeah Dinosaurs or whatever are awesome.

 

[Johnknight1]

Sonic's moveset is a stain.

I'm not budging on that one.

I think you meant to say "Sonic wasn't that well designed because he was a late addition, and the top people didn't help design him in Brawl."

I don't think that will be an issue this time around. He already looks far fresher, and these 2 games are quite a ways off from being complete.

 

[SchAlternate]

At least he's got a new voice actor. Hopefully his "You're too slow!" taunt isn't as eyebrow-ripping-inducing-ly annoying now.

 

[Morbi]

At least he's got a new voice actor. Hopefully his "You're too slow!" taunt isn't as eyebrow-ripping-inducing-ly annoying now.

I never found it annoying. I honestly think it is a part of Smash now. Like "Show Your Moves"!

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Please don't hurt my childhood anymore.... please! It has had enough!

Not even if Ho-oh had some kind of awesome phoenix-related mega form that got even more in touch with its phoenix side in the moves or appearance department or something? >.> That would make my day, personally. Still debating on what type it would be though. Either pure fire, or fire and something else, as it wouldn't so much focus on the flying type aspect methinks.

Even as an uber Ho-oh's been kind of unplayable with rock being its kryptonite (heh, except these rocks don't have to be glowy green ones), in addition to its speed not really helping its case there either. With its backstory with Entei and the others it's always been one of my favorite legendaries, in addition to its design and the way it mysteriously appeared in the first ever anime episode, which it didn't even get its own movie or significant movie appearance in later on... D:

Know none of this will likely happen anyway, but just bored and trying to thing of things to talk about right now. >.<

 

[courte]

I think you meant to say "Sonic wasn't that well designed because he was a late addition, and the top people didn't help design him in Brawl."

I don't think that will be an issue this time around. He already looks far fresher, and these 2 games are quite a ways off from being complete.

You thought wrong.

For all intents and purposes going forward, I want to be clear that I was hurt by brawl. I didn't go looking for information because of that, and as far as the board is concerned I am sadly stuck in 2008

 

[Johnknight1]

At least he's got a new voice actor. Hopefully his "You're too slow!" taunt isn't as eyebrow-ripping-inducing-ly annoying now.

His new voice actor is freaking fantastic. I love having the guy who voiced Ezio voicing him!!!

 

[Arcanir]

Guys, are we really going back to the "Lucario replaced Mewtwo" thing?

Firstly, to replace a character, the character has to not be planned alongside them yes? Removes the point of replacing a character if you're going to bring them back. Secondly, lets say he was replaced, why is Lucario singled out for it? There's nothing more special about Lucario then there is any other Pokémon character in game that says he specifically replaced Mewtwo, by that logic, PT and Jiggypuff are just as guilty. Thirdly, we know for a fact that Sonic threw things out of order in development, and we know that Mewtwo was the farthest along beforehand, those two combined show that not only was he intended to be in the game, he was the victim of just bad luck and time constraints. There is no good reason to believe Lucario replaced Mewtwo mechanic-wise, concept-wise, time-wise, whatever. He's just singled out just because he happens to share two moves at best unlike the others.

Now can this please stop? It's late and I have a headache from sickness, I really should be sleeping right now.

Not even if Ho-oh had some kind of awesome phoenix-related mega form that got even more in touch with its phoenix side in the moves or appearance department or something? >.> That would make my day, personally. Still debating on what type it would be though. Either pure fire, or fire and something else, as it wouldn't so much focus on the flying type aspect methinks.

Even as an uber Ho-oh's been kind of unplayable with rock being its kryptonite (heh, except these rocks don't have to be glowy green ones), in addition to its speed not really helping its case there either. With its backstory with Entei and the others it's always been one of my favorite legendaries, in addition to its design and the way it mysteriously appeared in the first ever anime episode, which it didn't even get its own movie or significant movie appearance in later on... D:

Know none of this will likely happen anyway, but just bored and trying to thing of things to talk about right now. >.<

I could actually see Ho-oh (and Lugia) getting Mega evolutions. Their backstory is limited enough that they can work it in well, and from a marketing standpoint, what better way to resell these two guys then with new forms?

Personally I hope they do it, Lugia and Ho-oh are two that I think can easily be expanded into and given really cool forms.

 

[Morbi]

Not even if Ho-oh had some kind of awesome phoenix-related mega form that got even more in touch with its phoenix side in the moves or appearance department or something? >.> That would make my day, personally. Still debating on what type it would be though. Either pure fire, or fire and something else, as it wouldn't so much focus on the flying type aspect methinks.

Even as an uber Ho-oh's been kind of unplayable with rock being its kryptonite (heh, except these rocks don't have to be glowy green ones), in addition to its speed not really helping its case there either. With its backstory with Entei and the others it's always been one of my favorite legendaries, in addition to its design and the way it mysteriously appeared in the first ever anime episode, which it didn't even get its own movie or significant movie appearance in later on... D:

Know none of this will likely happen anyway, but just bored and trying to thing of things to talk about right now. >.<

I was only kidding. They already gave my favorite Pokemon (Gengar) an ugly Mega. They gave one of my other favorites an ugly Mega (Gyarados). They already desecrated my memories by giving Kanto Starters and Mewtwo some pretty ugly Megas. I honestly don't care anymore. Some Megas turn out great and make me like Pokemon I have never even liked. Ampharos and Mawille being two big ones.

 

[N3ON]

The only character in the whole series that got replaced was Young Link, who was replaced by Toon Link.

Other than that, there were no replacements. Just one character getting in while another didn't.