Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

Here is my "No Cuts" Version of my original roster

 

[kingmario92]

Here is my "No Cuts" Version of my original roster
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Again, Medusa isn't really necessary. I get she's filler, but I'm pretty sure there's better choices for filler out there. Like...Sheriff, hint hint.

Or maybe Classic Link?

 

[Jaedrik]

Greetings, what goes on in this thread?
I have a vague idea, and so hoping wish to show you all an image of my semi-realistic semi-idealist roster that is only part prediction and part bias, but I try to take Sakurai's values into account the most when considering the ideal, I admire his genius.

There are quite a few other characters I would have added, and still a few I would take out if I was going for more realistic or more idealist, and some I'd take out either way.

Some people I was considering adding but brought the hammer down on after comparison, research, and discussion: Kamek, nondescript 4th/5th Star Fox reps, nondescript 2nd Wario rep, Bandana Dee, Tingle, Bowser Jr., Toad, Waluigi, Daisy, nondescript 5th Pokemon rep, Simon Belmont, Phoenix Wright, Toon Link, Paper Mario.
Some I feel may be in that same boat as those listed previous: Snake, Custom Robo rep, Takamaru, Advanced Wars rep, R.O.B., Little Mac.
Representatives in which I feel like I am not well informed enough to remove, but have an idea they should be on the roster: Isaac, Shulk, Prof. Layton, Bayonetta, Starfy.
Any other possible characters I dismissed outright, thinking them neither "ideal" nor "likely" to my limited knowledge.

Each idea I have is to a degree, for example, to a degree I think R.O.B. or Little Mac is in that boat, but they are far more ideal/likely than the others in that list.
Therein is a tier list of sorts, where I cut characters at will shift, as well as their estimate. Honestly, in the end I have no idea what percentages are ideals, what amount of which consideration went into each character, but there were a multitude of factors weighed in instants I have yet to recover, and would discover through inquiry. So, I do not--perhaps cannot--wish to explain unless prompted to expound, whereupon I will gladly specify when specific questions be asked.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Well, I did forget about Luigi's Tornado in Brawl being really good. I was more talking about Their tornado moves in Melee, hardly anyone used it in Melee



Again, I forgot his was good in Brawl. Once again, I was more talking about Melee

Ah yeah... Melee tornadoes are a different matter.
Not sure when was the last time I saw Mario/Doc users use this (then again, I haven't seen these characters in Melee matches in forever). Luigi's was crap, it only helped him like by an inch horizontally.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Good afternoon all, how's it going today?

I come to you today with a new roster because I've been practically been doing nothing but playing Sly 2: Band of Thieves and Metroid Fusion.

Total Characters: 50

Returning Characters: All 35

Newcomers: 15 (Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Ridley, Mewtwo, Chrom, Villager, Dark Matter, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan

Starting Roster:

Total Starting characters: 28/50

Unlocking Strategy:

1.) Jigglypuff (15)
2.) Ness (30)
3.) Falco (60)
4.) Bowser Jr. (100)
5.) Captain Falcon (150)
6.) Marth (200)
7.) Snake (250)
8.) Luigi (300)
9.) Lucario (350)
10.) Ganondorf (400)
11.) King K.Rool (450)
12.) Sonic (500)
13.) R.O.B. (550)
14.) Toon Link (600)
15.) Wolf (650)
16.) Mr. Game & Watch (700)
17.) MegaMan (750)
18.) Ridley (800)
19.) Mewtwo (850)
20.) Shulk (900)
21.) Dark Matter (950)
22.) Toon Zelda/Tetra (1000)

Now if you excuse me, I'm going to continue playing Metroid Fusion. And let me just say...this game certainly is...different.

 

[kingmario92]

Ah yeah... Melee tornadoes are a different matter.
Not sure when was the last time I saw Mario/Doc users use this (then again, I haven't seen these characters in Melee matches in forever). Luigi's was crap, it only helped him like by an inch horizontally.

And to be honest, I really like the Mario Tornado as Mario's down aerial in Brawl. It is a much more useful move than Mario's down aerial in the previous games. Heck, I don't even remember the last time I used that move with Mario (in 64 and Melee) or Dr. Mario.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Good afternoon all, how's it going today?

I come to you today with a new roster because I've been practically been doing nothing but playing Sly 2: Band of Thieves and Metroid Fusion.

Total Characters: 50

Returning Characters: All 35

Newcomers: 15 (Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Ridley, Mewtwo, Chrom, Villager, Dark Matter, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan

Starting Roster:

Total Starting characters: 28/50

Unlocking Strategy:

1.) Jigglypuff (15)
2.) Ness (30)
3.) Falco (60)
4.) Bowser Jr. (100)
5.) Captain Falcon (150)
6.) Marth (200)
7.) Snake (250)
8.) Luigi (300)
9.) Lucario (350)
10.) Ganondorf (400)
11.) King K.Rool (450)
12.) Sonic (500)
13.) R.O.B. (550)
14.) Toon Link (600)
15.) Wolf (650)
16.) Mr. Game & Watch (700)
17.) MegaMan (750)
18.) Ridley (800)
19.) Mewtwo (850)
20.) Shulk (900)
21.) Dark Matter (950)
22.) Toon Zelda/Tetra (1000)

Now if you excuse me, I'm going to continue playing Metroid Fusion. And let me just say...this game certainly is...different.

I don't think Zelda is going to get another rep, and although Toon Zelda would be the best choice, it's excessive and unnecessary. I think it's unfair you've given a new rep to everyone, but Pokemon. Still think Dark Matter doesn't need to be represented and that we have all the necessary Kirby reps. I also think Toad or Paper Mario would come before Bowser Jr and that you need an all around desing for Zelda & Ganondorf, which would most likely look like the TP designs. And I think King K. Rool should be a starter.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

I think it's unfair you've given a new rep to everyone, but Pokemon.

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[TheLastJinjo]

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[Hotfeet444]

I don't think Zelda is going to get another rep, and although Toon Zelda would be the best choice, it's excessive and unnecessary. I think it's unfair you've given a new rep to everyone, but Pokemon. Still think Dark Matter doesn't need to be represented and that we have all the necessary Kirby reps. I also think Toad or Paper Mario would come before Bowser Jr and that you need an all around desing for Zelda & Ganondorf, which would most likely look like the TP designs. And I think King K. Rool should be a starter.

I personally think that Mario/Zelda/Pokemon should all stay even as they were in Brawl, but that's a personal opinion. Pokemon doesn't need a new rep as the five shown are the most probable and popular characters for Smash Bros currently. Dark Matter is a personal preference that will round out the need of ever including another Kirby character as you will have the main hero, the main rival, the main antagonist and the main cause of evil in Dreamland. The icons for Zelda & Ganondorf can't be judged as it's purely preferenced based, Bowser Jr. is the most wanted Mario newcomer, I had to come to that realization because if it was about preference I would have put in Paper Mario myself, and K.Rool looks like an unlockable to me, probably revolved around something with Donkey Kong or Diddy Kong for an unlocking strategy.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

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I know, I own Melee. But Mewtwo could will be a new character for SSB4. If you seriously want pokemon to have 8 characters, that's like 20% of the roster.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I personally think that Mario/Zelda/Pokemon should all stay even as they were in Brawl, but that's a personal opinion. Pokemon doesn't need a new rep as the five shown are the most probable and popular characters for Smash Bros currently. Dark Matter is a personal preference that will round out the need of ever including another Kirby character as you will have the main hero, the main rival, the main antagonist and the main cause of evil in Dreamland. The icons for Zelda & Ganondorf can't be judged as it's purely preferenced based, Bowser Jr. is the most wanted Mario newcomer, I had to come to that realization because if it was about preference I would have put in Paper Mario myself, and K.Rool looks like an unlockable to me, probably revolved around something with Donkey Kong or Diddy Kong for an unlocking strategy.

Sometimes the most requested rep is outshined by the best choice for a rep, which may be Paper Mario.

 

[CalumG]

I dunno... it just seems unusual to me to contemplate the idea of Mario, Zelda and Pokemon all missing out on newcomers. Zelda? Most likely. Mario? Possibly. Pokemon? Probably not.

At the end of the day these are Nintendo's 'big three' franchises - the Triforce of Nintendo best-sellers, so to speak - and I think it would be downright idiotic if at least one of them did not get a newcomer. That's just me of course, but hopefully Sakurai will know better than to leave the fans high and dry. They could probably get away with not giving Zelda a new rep (though I loathe having multiple versions of Link and think Toon should be replaced with either Impa or Tingle), but Mario and Pokemon are much more up in the air. I simply don't see it as feasible that all three of Nintendo's biggest franchises get the same reps they've had in previous games, without any expansion or changes of any kind.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I know, I own Melee. But Mewtwo could will be a new character for SSB4. If you seriously want pokemon to have 8 characters, that's like 20% of the roster.

Why are you so sure he'll count as a new character? Is Roy a new characetr just because he wasn't present last time? You don't get to declare a character new just because they weren't playable in Brawl. There's more to it than that. Mewtwo is still a veteran.

 

[N3ON]

Off topic, I was a Big Lots yesterday and got Golden Sun: Dark Dawn for $7.99! Without you guys, I would have never picked it up, I look forward to a great game.

Well if you've played the first two GS games, don't expect Dark Dawn to be quite on that level, but it's still a perfectly decent game. But if you're looking for the best GS experience, the first two are the way to go. Unfortunately I don't know if you'll be able to find them for $7.99 though... at least until they're on the VC.

I think it's unfair you've given a new rep to everyone, but Pokemon.

Pokemon doesn't need a new rep, especially if the existing choices are better (and at least three of them could bring something new and Gen VI-related to the table). Mario didn't get a new rep in Brawl, it didn't even have one planned.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well if you've played the first two GS games, don't expect Dark Dawn to be quite on that level, but it's still a perfectly decent game. But if you're looking for the best GS experience, the first two are the way to go. Unfortunately I don't know if you'll be able to find them for $7.99 though... at least until they're on the VC.



Pokemon doesn't need a new rep, especially if the existing choices are better (and at least three of them could bring something new and Gen VI-related to the table). Mario didn't get a new rep in Brawl, it didn't even have one planned.

I'm saying if Mario & Zelda DID get a new rep, then Pokemon should too.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

Well if you've played the first two GS games, don't expect Dark Dawn to be quite on that level, but it's still a perfectly decent game. But if you're looking for the best GS experience, the first two are the way to go. Unfortunately I don't know if you'll be able to find them for $7.99 though... at least until they're on the VC.

Nope, my very first Golden Sun game.

Why are you so sure he'll count as a new character? Is Roy a new character just because he wasn't present last time? You don't get to declare a character new just because they weren't playable in Brawl. There's more to it than that. Mewtwo is still a veteran.

But he is a returning veteran. So if Pikachu, Puff, Lucario, and Pokemon Trainer, along with the return of Mewtwo, that's more than enough to rep Pokemon. Pokemon doesn't "need" another character on top of that.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I'm saying if Mario & Zelda DID get a new rep, then Pokemon should too.

This is purely based on subjectivity.

Pokemon got TWO newcomers in Brawl, Zelda and Mario didn't. (Toon Link replaces Young Link, so he technically is as much of an update as Ganondorf)

 

[Opossum]

I'm saying if Mario & Zelda DID get a new rep, then Pokemon should too.

Once again, though...why? It just seems arbitrary. Smash isn't Congress. Series representation doesn't really matter. If you get quality characters out of it, what's the big deal?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Nope, my very first Golden Sun game.



But he is a returning veteran. So if Pikachu, Puff, Lucario, and Pokemon Trainer, along with the return of Mewtwo, that's more than enough to rep Pokemon. Pokemon doesn't "need" another character on top of that.

We're not talking about if Pokemon needs a new rep. You said Mewtwo is not a veteran. I'm just clarifying that he is.

 

[N3ON]

I'm saying if Mario & Zelda DID get a new rep, then Pokemon should too.

And I'm saying those series aren't tied together, and adding characters to one series just because another series got one isn't something Sakurai would do. Pokemon and Zelda got a new rep in Brawl, yet Mario didn't, so clearly the main three aren't dependent on each other to any extent, nor are they equal in most cases. If veterans are more popular, important, and relevant than newcomers, that's what Sakurai is going to choose. He isn't going to add a newcomer for the sake of it being a newcomer or because other series got one if it's the inferior option.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

We're not talking about if Pokemon needs a new rep. You said Mewtwo is not a veteran. I'm just clarifying that he is.

You stated

I think it's unfair you've given a new rep to everyone, but Pokemon.

So maybe I misunderstood you, but Mewtwo wasn't in Brawl, so that counts as an addition to Pokemon.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If veterans are more popular, important, and relevant than newcomers, that's what Sakurai is going to choose. He isn't going to add a newcomer for the sake of it being a newcomer

Though it makes sense you can't be sure unless you're Sakurai.

 

[N3ON]

Though it makes sense you can't be sure unless you're Sakurai.

Yes, it does come down to Sakurai's opinion, but Mewtwo, Lucario, and Jigglypuff are all in a much better position than any hypothetical newcomer, so it's fairly safe to say they have the best chances (other than Pikachu and PKMN Trainer ofc). It's also likely the implementation of Mega Evolutions and just general moveset changes will render the need for an actual Pokemon newcomer unnecessary.

Nope, my very first Golden Sun game.

Well have fun, like I said, it's still a decent game. ^_^
Though you should keep in mind you are playing the weakest entry in the series, so don't let it form your opinion of GS as a whole.

 

[mimgrim]

Saw the video, but it's still hard to use and seems like it requires the opponent to not be very good. I think the tornado is better for competitive play.

Oh my God, the ignorance. The only time that is true if they are trying to do something to close to the edge and even then good players can make mistakes and one of the key ideas of Smash competitive play is to Punish your opponent for their mistakes they make. But it has more uses beyond that. It stops an opponents momentum, meaning you can cause them to make a mistake on purpose by using the FLUDD and punishing them for that mistake you forced them to make, It eats through projectiles, it doesn't reflect them it litterally makes them go poof poof and dissapear which is incredibly useful if you know how to use it wisely, and it is a good troll worthy edge guarder. Someone trying to recover to the ledge? well use FLUDD and stop their momentum. And the best part about this? FLUDD doesn't deal damage or hitstun meaning it doesn't resets someones recovery for them. Luigi's Tornado might be good, but who is to stay Mario would have the same good tornado as Luigi? And I would even go as far as to argue them Mario's FLUDD is a more useful tool then Luigi's Tornado for a variety of reasons.

 

[Jaedrik]

Heyo, what do you all think if they rotated the Pokemon for the trainer one evolution? Is it likely, and would you rather see Charmeleon or Wartortle? I personally feel like one rotation forward would be a bigger step in gameplay than a rotation back, regardless of how cool Charmeleon is.
Though I have a feeling Sakurai is too hard to predict, I doubt they will stay exactly as they are.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yes, it does come down to Sakurai's opinion, but Mewtwo, Lucario, and Jigglypuff are all in a much better position than any hypothetical newcomer, so it's fairly safe to say they have the best chances (other than Pikachu and PKMN Trainer ofc). It's also likely the implementation of Mega Evolutions and just general moveset changes will render the need for an actual Pokemon newcomer unnecessary.

True, but every now and then we get skeptical of Jiggs. Good thing she's a fairy Pokemon now.

 

[zauberdragon]

Heyo, what do you all think if they rotated the Pokemon for the trainer one evolution? Is it likely, and would you rather see Charmeleon or Wartortle? I personally feel like one rotation forward would be a bigger step in gameplay than a rotation back, regardless of how cool Charmeleon is.
Though I have a feeling Sakurai is too hard to predict, I doubt they will stay exactly as they are.

I doubt it seeing as Charazard is very popular and the character assets are already created. Squirtle is already pretty popular too and I'd say the current set up is the best situation.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Good afternoon all, how's it going today?

I come to you today with a new roster because I've been practically been doing nothing but playing Sly 2: Band of Thieves and Metroid Fusion.

Total Characters: 50

Returning Characters: All 35

Newcomers: 15 (Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Ridley, Mewtwo, Chrom, Villager, Dark Matter, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan

I think it's actually a very good roster! In fact, it's almost perfect... but there are some severe flaws that weaken the potential of realism for the roster.

First off, Bowser Jr. isn't getting in before Toad does. It's not happening. Toad gets in before Bowser jr. - he's done more for the legacy of the Mario series than Bowser Jr. ever did (LOL comparing Sunshine to SB2/SB3).

Secondly, I'd replace Sheik with Impa, because with Zelda's recent appearance in SS, we need to start bring the SS universe into Smash, not just OoT. Besides, it's high time Zelda became something of her own, as Impa would balance with her much more than Sheik does.

Thirdly, ToonZelda/Tetra have NO business being in the game whatsoever. NO business. Not only is that too much WW representation, it is also the wrong kind of Zelda representation - I'd rather have someone more universally useful, like Vaati, over ANOTHER Zelda.

Fourthly, replace Chrom with Roy.

Fifthly, I have NO CLUE as to who Dark Matter even is. He's a Kirby character, right? Well, an obscure one at that. Why not bring in someone more iconic, like Waddle Dee, instead?

Finally, I'd replace Snake and Sonic for Lloyd and Pacman, because not only would Namco be easier to deal with than Konami and/or Sega, but I feel Snake's only game will be Brawl. Like Noah J. Linderer once said, it would be a HUGE favor for Kojima to ask Sakurai to allow Snake a veteran status.

So, these are the replacements that would make your roster much more realistic:
1. Toad > Bowser Jr.
2. Impa > Sheik
3. Vaati > ToonZelda/Tetra
4. Roy > Chrom
5. Waddle Dee > Dark Matter
6. Pacman/Lloyd > Snake/Sonic

There you go!

 

[Hotfeet444]

I think it's actually a very good roster! In fact, it's almost perfect... but there are some severe flaws that weaken the potential of realism for the roster.

First off, Bowser Jr. isn't getting in before Toad does. It's not happening. Toad gets in before Bowser jr. - he's done more for the legacy of the Mario series than Bowser Jr. ever did (LOL comparing Sunshine to SB3).

Secondly, I'd replace Sheik with Impa, because with Zelda's recent appearance in SS, we need to start bring the SS universe into Smash, not just OoT. Besides, it's high time Zelda became something of her own, as Impa would balance with her much more than Sheik does.

Thirdly, ToonZelda/Tetra have NO business being in the game whatsoever. NO business. Not only is that too much WW representation, it is also the wrong kind of Zelda representation - I'd rather have someone more universally useful, like Vaati, over ANOTHER Zelda.

Fourthly, replace Chrom with Roy.

Fifthly, I have NO CLUE as to who Dark Matter even is. He's a Kirby character, right? Well, an obscure one at that. Why not bring in someone more iconic, like Waddle Dee, instead?

Finally, I'd replace Snake and Sonic for Lloyd and Pacman, because not only would Namco be easier to deal with than Konami and/or Sega, but I feel Snake's only game will be Brawl. Like Noah J. Linderer once said, it would be a HUGE favor for Kojima to ask Sakurai to allow Snake a veteran status.

So, these are the replacements that would make your roster much more realistic:
1. Toad > Bowser Jr.
2. Impa > Sheik
3. Vaati > ToonZelda/Tetra
4. Roy > Chrom
5. Waddle Dee > Dark Matter
6. Pacman/Lloyd > Snake/Sonic

There you go!

...Someone else tear this apart, I'm too busy fighting Nightmare in Metroid Fusion.

 

[CalumG]

I think it's actually a very good roster! In fact, it's almost perfect... but there are some severe flaws that weaken the potential of realism for the roster.

First off, Bowser Jr. isn't getting in before Toad does. It's not happening. Toad gets in before Bowser jr. - he's done more for the legacy of the Mario series than Bowser Jr. ever did (LOL comparing Sunshine to SB3).

Secondly, I'd replace Sheik with Impa, because with Zelda's recent appearance in SS, we need to start bring the SS universe into Smash, not just OoT. Besides, it's high time Zelda became something of her own, as Impa would balance with her much more than Sheik does.

Thirdly, ToonZelda/Tetra have NO business being in the game whatsoever. NO business. Not only is that too much WW representation, it is also the wrong kind of Zelda representation - I'd rather have someone more universally useful, like Vaati, over ANOTHER Zelda.

Fourthly, replace Chrom with Roy.

Fifthly, I have NO CLUE as to who Dark Matter even is. He's a Kirby character, right? Well, an obscure one at that. Why not bring in someone more iconic, like Waddle Dee, instead?

Finally, I'd replace Snake and Sonic for Lloyd and Pacman, because not only would Namco be easier to deal with than Konami and/or Sega, but I feel Snake's only game will be Brawl. Like Noah J. Linderer once said, it would be a HUGE favor for Kojima to ask Sakurai to allow Snake a veteran status.

So, these are the replacements that would make your roster much more realistic:
1. Toad > Bowser Jr.
2. Impa > Sheik
3. Vaati > ToonZelda/Tetra
4. Roy > Chrom
5. Waddle Dee > Dark Matter
6. Pacman/Lloyd > Snake/Sonic

There you go!

Tell you what... this may be the first time I've ever (mostly) agreed with you, DivineDeity. Expect Lloyd, that is - it's either Pac-Man or Lloyd, it certainly won'tbe both.

 

[FlareHabanero]

There was a bit of discussion regarding to older characters, which makes me ponder about why it leaves a bigger impact then something that is new. I guess it's because it's more timeless while adding an upgraded spin on an old face. It's one of those things that is taken for granted, but with the limitations of the past it creates this speculation as to what would happen if said character was brought into a modern day setting with those limitations gone. It's kind of like Pit, who gained a lot of his familiar characteristics after being brought back into the limelight in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Tell you what... this may be the first time I've ever (mostly) agreed with you, DivineDeity. Expect Lloyd, that is - it's either Pac-Man or Lloyd, it certainly won'tbe both.

Why not? Without Snake and Sonic, it clears up the room for 3rd party characters. Besides, you should see other people's rosters where they have 4 or even 5 3rd party characters!

 

[Khoru]

Why not? Without Snake and Sonic, it clears up the room for 3rd party characters. Besides, you should see other people's rosters where they have 4 or even 5 3rd party characters!

nintendo and sega are all buddy-buddy now, and they've got a deal for three sonic games exclusive to ninty's systems. sonic's staying for sure.

 

[Opossum]

Why not? Without Snake and Sonic, it clears up the room for 3rd party characters. Besides, you should see other people's rosters where they have 4 or even 5 3rd party characters!

Yes, but when Snake and Sonic are the superior choices in the long run, why replace them with not one, but two, Namco characters?

 

[zauberdragon]

I think it's actually a very good roster! In fact, it's almost perfect... but there are some severe flaws that weaken the potential of realism for the roster.

First off, Bowser Jr. isn't getting in before Toad does. It's not happening. Toad gets in before Bowser jr. - he's done more for the legacy of the Mario series than Bowser Jr. ever did (LOL comparing Sunshine to SB3).

Secondly, I'd replace Sheik with Impa, because with Zelda's recent appearance in SS, we need to start bring the SS universe into Smash, not just OoT. Besides, it's high time Zelda became something of her own, as Impa would balance with her much more than Sheik does.

Thirdly, ToonZelda/Tetra have NO business being in the game whatsoever. NO business. Not only is that too much WW representation, it is also the wrong kind of Zelda representation - I'd rather have someone more universally useful, like Vaati, over ANOTHER Zelda.

Fourthly, replace Chrom with Roy.

Fifthly, I have NO CLUE as to who Dark Matter even is. He's a Kirby character, right? Well, an obscure one at that. Why not bring in someone more iconic, like Waddle Dee, instead?

Finally, I'd replace Snake and Sonic for Lloyd and Pacman, because not only would Namco be easier to deal with than Konami and/or Sega, but I feel Snake's only game will be Brawl. Like Noah J. Linderer once said, it would be a HUGE favor for Kojima to ask Sakurai to allow Snake a veteran status.

So, these are the replacements that would make your roster much more realistic:
1. Toad > Bowser Jr.
2. Impa > Sheik
3. Vaati > ToonZelda/Tetra
4. Roy > Chrom
5. Waddle Dee > Dark Matter
6. Pacman/Lloyd > Snake/Sonic

There you go!

I'll have a go Hotfeet.

Bowser Jr is massively important to the recent Mario games. He's more or less become a secondary villain to the series. On the other hand Toad is generic character, by that I mean there's many toads but only one Bowser Jr, something which has only been done once before in Smash with Yoshi but he's usually thought to be the Yoshi's Island protagonist.

Sheik may not appear in Skyword Sword but neither does she in Twilight Princess but she made it into Brawl. Also Zelda doesn't transform into Impa in SS so you'd have to seperate the two for it to make sense, which would be far too much hassle for what it's worth.

Toon Zelda/Tetra represents not just WW but the whole Toon series, which has become a major part of the modern Zelda franchise. While one of the more unlikely candidates there's still a good chance they'll make it in, more so than Vaati who's a villain in one toon game. You took about the wrong representation but Vaati represents one game which is basically no representation at all.

We spoke about Roy and Chrom a lot yesterday and you know the points against Roy. He's been kicked once before and other than fan support there is no reason to add him back in. Chrom on the other hand is the protagonist of the latest Fire Emblem which already has a stage in the new games. He's far more RELEVANT to the series at this time.

I'm with you in that Dark Matter is unlikely but so is Waddle Dee. Just like Toad he's generic and we don't need another Kirby rep.

And the Coup de Grace, Pacman AND Lloyd. They're both NAMCO reps. How many times does this need pointing out. Namco are not going to get two reps, nor or any other 3rd party company. It's an either or situation. Plus Sonic isn't going to get removed and I doubt Snake will either, let alone for two reps from the same company.

Is that what you had in mind?

 

[TheDivineDeity]

I don't believe I ever said these characters would get in for the sole reason of move set potential so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'd be happy to educate you what places Starfy near the top with the other most likely contenders and why Genesect is the best choice for a Pokemon newcomer, because it looks like you didn't listen the first time.
I've seen your 'logical' arguments, and quite frankly, they're so flawed, I don't know where to being. I mean, just because Starfy is popular in Japan... Genesect was in a recent movie... what, I don't even.....

Also you just took those four factors from another post and posted it as your own comment to make you look smart. I'm fully aware of all these factors and have not added anyone who didn't live up to them, so I'm not sure why you are repeating them when we all clearly saw it. And will you STOP it with that stupid equation post.
Truthfully, I find the equation extremely useful for newcomers to the Smashboards, who can better understand the formula for prioritization. So no, until someone somewhere shows me that the equation is flawed, I will keep on using it to discuss matter concerning the roster predictions and character prioritization, because it's extremely useful!

 

[TumblrFamous]

So... what's going on here?

 

[zauberdragon]

So... what's going on here?

Basically yesterday 2.0. Divine vs Noah while we get the popcorn out.

 

[Opossum]

Truthfully, I find the equation extremely useful for newcomers to the Smashboards, who can better understand the formula for prioritization. So no, until someone somewhere shows me that the equation is flawed, I will keep on using it to discuss matter concerning the roster predictions and character prioritization, because it's extremely useful! ​

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People have told you why it's flawed at least four times already...you're using values that are by no means quantitative, and could easily vary according to other people's opinions. It's heavily flawed and by no means a be-all end-all.