Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Arcanir]

No. Street Fighter X Mega Man doesn't count to me. That was a fan game that a fan was making and Capcom essentially stole it and advertised it as Mega Man's "big" 25th anniversary title. F**k Capcom, HATE them for treating Mega Man and their other franchises like garbage.

Just like Breath of Fire...

 

[Hotfeet444]

Hmmm..... Classic Link over Toon Link, OOT Ganondorf, Impa, a 4th Kirby rep and now King Boo representing the Luigi series by himself as if he deserved it as much as Yoshi, Wario, or Donkey Kong and without Luigi or even deserved to be a playable character says you don't.

Classic Link and Toon Link is preference-based, the OoT Ganondorf thing is just your inner-fanboy talking, a 4th Kirby idea is experimental and hasn't been in my rosters for a while, and King Boo was an interesting idea. Please, it's bad enough you act like you're my superior when you're not pushing Genesect and Bomberman. Oh, and PS, when you say I ignore people's defenses, do you also overlook people who ask for proof to your statments without bringing up any official proof to anything you say? You do? Okay then, glad we worked that out.

Lay off him, Noah. We all have character predictions that we could predict and find likely. You find Genesect and Bomberman likely. I even think Sora has a viable shot. In fact, the only prediction of his I find far-fetched.is Sylveon. Impa, Classic Link, etc. are all plausible.

I'm really considering the Classic Link avatar right about now.

 

[AEMehr]

Oh, yeh. Well than I guess him and Bomberman are equally relevant if you don't count the cancelled 3DS title, which I wouldn't.

Ironically they're both relevant there too. With both of them having canceled 3DS games,
hahaha...








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Regardless, Mega Man's case much different from Bomberman because he was the character everybody wanted. Bomberman, while he may be significant in comparison to other Third-Party characters much more lower priority mainly because of the limits on Third-Parties and Snake's presence. It doesn't matter if you don't consider Snake a Nintendo character over the likes of Bomberman or Simon Belmont, Snake is a video gaming icon and Konami's mascot. Unless Konami speaks against it this time, Bomberman's chance of making it in blew up when Hudson closed it's doors and their IPs became Konami's.

 

[kingmario92]

Hey, at least they still give Ace Attorney some love (and Strider, for whatever reason).

But Mega Man should at least get something more than a pointless artbook.

Exactly. But no, instead of putting effort into his 25th anniversary, they chose to focus even more attention on their precious Street Fighter (Which wasn't the reason why they got this successful, it was Mega Man). And why are they mad at Mega Man? Because his creator left Capcom. How. Childish.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

I could actually see Classic Link replacing Toon Link, considering the current pattern indicates (starting from Melee) that Link usually has a different counterpart. I think we'll go from Young Link to Toon Link to Classic Link. At least that's what the pattern suggests, anyways.

 

[Starbound]

Hey guys.

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Make sure to watch it all the way through, because there might just be an exciting new announcement at the end!

The conspiracy theorist in me is looking at that last line.

 

[MattX20]

Question, if Palutena did become a playable character in Smash, and had an ability to chat with characters in a manner similar to Snake's codecs from Brawl, would you be okay with that?

 

[TumblrFamous]

I could actually see Classic Link replacing Toon Link, considering the current pattern indicates (starting from Melee) that Link usually has a different counterpart. I think we'll go from Young Link to Toon Link to Classic Link. At least that's what the pattern suggests, anyways.

Well, a pattern like that is tough. Young Link was virtually replaced by Toon, so its impossible to tell that we can get a different Link. Its like when People say that Ike will be removed because Roy was removed in Brawl. You can't draw patterns from one game. The only trend that I see is the Big 3 franchises getting the most reps.

 

[Gune]

Question, if Palutena did become a playable character in Smash, and had an ability to chat with characters in a manner similar to Snake from Brawl's codecs, would you be okay with that?

Yus

 

[Starbound]

Question, if Palutena did become a playable character in Smash, and had an ability to chat with characters in a manner similar to Snake's codecs from Brawl, would you be okay with that?

Awwww yes.

 

[kingmario92]

Question, if Palutena did become a playable character in Smash, and had an ability to chat with characters in a manner similar to Snake's codecs from Brawl, would you be okay with that?

Heck yeah, man!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I could actually see Classic Link replacing Toon Link, considering the current pattern indicates (starting from Melee) that Link usually has a different counterpart. I think we'll go from Young Link to Toon Link to Classic Link. At least that's what the pattern suggests, anyways.

You'd still be going backwards. Classic Link is an already existing design who just happened to appear because Nintendo wanted to cash in on another nostalgia game. Toon Link is clearly more unique and different from Normal Link than Classic Link is as well as more preffered. It wouldn't be logical to change it to a Link with hardly any uniqueness other than being young, not to mention Toon Link is young, there's really no motivation to replace him if you already have him, it'd be a waste of development time. It'd just be a muh recency situation. It just doesn't make sense.

Replacing the Younger Link isn't much of a pattern. It only happened once and because Toon Link was more unique and made more sense and was the only Young version of Link being used at the time.

Regardless, Mega Man's case much different from Bomberman because he was the character everybody wanted. Bomberman, while he may be significant in comparison to other Third-Party characters much more lower priority mainly because of the limits on Third-Parties and Snake's presence. It doesn't matter if you don't consider Snake a Nintendo character over the likes of Bomberman or Simon Belmont, Snake is a video gaming icon and Konami's mascot. Unless Konami speaks against it this time, Bomberman's chance of making it in blew up when Hudson closed it's doors and their IPs became Konami's.

Konami has always had a hand in Bomberman games, what makes him unlikely is the competition of Snake & Pac-Man. I really don't see Simon Belmon getting other than for the sole reason of being Konami. Third-Parties should be added based on who they are, not what company they are from. Sonic wasn't added because he was from SEGA and Snake was a a request from the creator, not the company.

Also lol, poor Mega & Bomber, they could have been great 3DS titles.

Question, if Palutena did become a playable character in Smash, and had an ability to chat with characters in a manner similar to Snake's codecs from Brawl, would you be okay with that?

Her and Paper Mario's Goombario doing that would be AWESOME! But, mostly Palutena and Pit, Hell YEAH!

 

[Hotfeet444]

I agree. But I understand where Hotfeet is coming from. To be honest, though, they'd be better as Assist Trophies.

All I said it was a possibility/good idea. Nothing more. You people make it sound like I honestly am make or break on the character.

That point doesn't stand due to the fact that King Boo is nowhere near as recognized as Dr.Doom, and the main character, Luigi, is already included, you're basically adding the antagonist to the roster where the protagonist is already present and represents an entirely different series. Dr.Doom does not do that. There were no characters from FF at all at the time. Its not impossible, but certainly not as likely as you're trying to make it seem.

Hahaha, as if I said it's very likely. Seriously, does anyone read around here? I said he was an interesting character idea, not a likely character idea. If I wanted to pick a likely character, I'd pick Bowser Jr.

I'm not the one who made the arrogant insult so I'm not really the one who needs to lay off. And Impa & Classic Link still have to compete with Toon Link and the less complicated and more beloved Sheik. Sylveon actually should be the one you DON'T find that far fetched.

Hah, an arrogant insult. :3 That's kind of funny, considering that was tame. Like I try to act superior than everyone on no merits, oh wait...:3

Well, I'm going to bed, I'm tired. Goodnight everyone. Oh, and vote for Classic Link.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hah, an arrogant insult. :3 That's kind of funny, considering that was tame. Like I try to act superior than everyone on no merits, oh wait...:3

Saying you know better is clearly arrogant, superior, and on no merits. Are you honestly trying to say it's not? Are you honestly trying to start something again, like I said you were being cool up until now. I thought you were becoming better.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

You'd still be going backwards. Classic Link is an already existing design who just happened to appear because Nintendo wanted to cash in on another nostalgia game. Toon Link is clearly more unique and different from Normal Link than Classic Link is as well as more preffered. It wouldn't be logical to change it to a Link with hardly any uniqueness other than being young, not to mention Toon Link is young, there's really no motivation to replace him if you already have him, it'd be a waste of development time. It'd just be a muh recency situation. It just doesn't make sense. It's not a recency issue of relevancy, Noah, but rather moving towards the future by looking back into the past... by having Classic Link replace Toon Link, he would be progressing forward the Zelda series in terms of general representation - AKA showcasing different periods of time for the Zelda series. With the original Triforce (as well as Link representing his game at the time), you almost always have a another Link who represents another aspect of Zelda - Child Link with OoT/MM, Toon Link with WW, and now if we have Classic Link with LttP2, we would follow the cycle. It's only logical.

Replacing the Younger Link isn't much of a pattern. It only happened once and because Toon Link was more unique and made more sense and was the only Young version of Link being used at the time. OR there IS a pattern that you're not seeing, and are either ignoring altogether or something else... either way, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It's not a recency issue of relevancy, Noah, but rather moving towards the future by looking back into the past... by having Classic Link replace Toon Link, he would be progressing forward the Zelda series in terms of general representation
What you just desribed is a form of adding characters based off recency while avoiding logic. You're clearly adding Classic Link because he's recent, nobody considered him until the recent title came out and I am NOT convinced you of all people would add a recent character for any other reason other than recency. Toon Link makes way more sense, and the majority will tell you that, Deity.


OR there IS a pattern that you're not seeing, and are either ignoring altogether or something else... either way, we'll have to wait and see.
2 of us have already told you it's not an established pattern. And you come up with some patterns that don't exist. Like removing characters for the most recent ones.

 

[PerfectDarkMarc]

There will be a Nintendo Direct dedicated solely to The Wonderful 101 at 7:00 AM Pacific in Northern America, 4:00 PM CEST in Europe (3PM BST) on August 9th and 12:00 AM AEDT in Australia on August 10th!
This episode will be hosted by a special guest you all know and love, who will show you the latest trailer and tell you how to play the game…
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Make sure to watch it all the way through, because there might just be an exciting new announcement at the end!

Calling it now guys.

INB4 this guy confirmed for SSB4

I had a feeling he would be included.

 

[Khoru]

see, the only difference between toon link and downfall link is... well, aesthetics. that's literally it.
in their own games, they have their own equipment (toon has deku leaf and skull hammer, downfall has fire rod, magic cape, and canes, etc).
but for some asinine reason, in smash, the decision has been made to have there be minimal differences between adult link and child link. and toon link might as well have been reskinned young link.

this is like fighting over which appearance of ganondorf or zelda will be in smash.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

There will be a Nintendo Direct dedicated solely to The Wonderful 101 at 7:00 AM Pacific in Northern America, 4:00 PM CEST in Europe (3PM BST) on August 9th and 12:00 AM AEDT in Australia on August 10th!
This episode will be hosted by a special guest you all know and love, who will show you the latest trailer and tell you how to play the game…
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Calling it now guys.

INB4 this guy confirmed for SSB4

I had a feeling he would be included.

No, this character was JUST invented and hasn't even come out yet. So he has no released titles. Sakurai finalied the roster this February ya know.

see, the only difference between toon link and downfall link is... well, aesthetics. that's literally it.
in their own games, they have their own equipment (toon has deku leaf and skull hammer, downfall has fire rod, magic cape, and canes, etc).
but for some asinine reason, in smash, the decision has been made to have there be minimal differences between adult link and child link. and toon link might as well have been reskinned young link.

this is like fighting over which appearance of ganondorf or zelda will be in smash.

Not really, Toon Link surpasses the Classic Design in populariy and requests and it DOES make sense for him to be as unique as possible.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Here's the thing Noah, and I'm speaking the truth here... characters like Roy, Young Link, and maybe even Mewtwo were all replaced by the most recent versions of their franchise's characters. Otherwise, they still would have stayed, and we would have Roy, Young Link, and Mewtwo over Ike, Toon Link, and Lucario. Like it or not, the truth is Sakurai has replaced characters in the past with either the most recent, or the most relevant to the series at the time. So it IS a pattern. Even if the truth hurts for the fans of their favorite characters, Sakurai has had to make hard, difficult, never-easy decisions concerning characters that are cut and characters that are added.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

Oh, yeh. Well than I guess him and Bomberman are equally relevant if you don't count the cancelled 3DS title.

As a wise man once said:
"It's Nintendo's Greatest, not Nintendo's Latest."

A lot of people don't understand characters don't have to be "relevant" to be added. If this rule was followed G&W, R.O.B., Ice Climbers, Pit, Lucas, ect. would have never been added.

 

[3Bismyname]

There will be a Nintendo Direct dedicated solely to The Wonderful 101 at 7:00 AM Pacific in Northern America, 4:00 PM CEST in Europe (3PM BST) on August 9th and 12:00 AM AEDT in Australia on August 10th!
This episode will be hosted by a special guest you all know and love, who will show you the latest trailer and tell you how to play the game…
DIRECTLY!
Make sure to watch it all the way through, because there might just be an exciting new announcement at the end!

Calling it now guys.

INB4 this guy confirmed for SSB4



I had a feeling he would be included.

not that im completely against this guy but i would much rather have someone else. besides it's kind of presumptuous to assume this special announcement has anything to do with smash.

 

[Gune]

Here's the thing Noah, and I'm speaking the truth here... characters like Roy, Young Link, and maybe even Mewtwo were all replaced by the most recent versions of their franchise's characters. Otherwise, they still would have stayed, and we would haveRoy, Young Link, and Mewtwo over Ike, Toon Link, and Lucario. Like it or not, the truth is Sakurai has replaced characters in the past with either the most recent, or the most relevant to the series at the time. So it IS a pattern. Even if the truth hurts for the fans of their favorite characters, Sakurai has had to make hard, difficult, never-easy decisions concerning characters that are cut and characters that are added.

One time doesent make a pattern come talk to me again when it happens in ssb4.

 

[Starbound]

I can't help but think it makes sense.

-With Smash Bros. in development, that's big exciting news. Certainly more than a cameo in Bayonetta 2 or something else.
-Kamaiya also wants Wonderful 101 to get more advertisement, so he could get in to advertise akin to Roy.
-Sakurai's been visiting Platinum games.
-Wonderful 101 is first party
-It's a new IP

I mean, people weren't expecting Smash Bros at Nintendo Direct yesterday. But we got Luigi confirmation. So I can't help but think it makes sense to work, and I certainly wouldn't be against the idea.

Go for it Sakurai!

 

[shrooby]

There will be a Nintendo Direct dedicated solely to The Wonderful 101 at 7:00 AM Pacific in Northern America, 4:00 PM CEST in Europe (3PM BST) on August 9th and 12:00 AM AEDT in Australia on August 10th!
This episode will be hosted by a special guest you all know and love, who will show you the latest trailer and tell you how to play the game…
DIRECTLY!
Make sure to watch it all the way through, because there might just be an exciting new announcement at the end!

Someone I love that normally doesn't host Nintendo Directs so they'd be a special guest...Reggie.
Exciting new announcement?...Reggie is one of the heroes in Wonderful 101.

 

[Khoru]

Not really, Toon Link surpasses the Classic Design in populariy and requests and it DOES make sense for him to be as unique as possible.

i mean, i don't really care which one gets in! it could be minish cap link and i'd be fine.
i just want them to not have all the same moves as their older counterpart.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Here's the thing Noah, and I'm speaking the truth here... characters like Roy, Young Link, and maybe even Mewtwo were all replaced by the most recent versions of their franchise's characters. Otherwise, they still would have stayed, and we would haveRoy, Young Link, and Mewtwo over Ike, Toon Link, and Lucario. Like it or not, the truth is Sakurai has replaced characters in the past with either the most recent, or the most relevant to the series at the time. So it IS a pattern. Even if the truth hurts for the fans of their favorite characters, Sakurai has had to make hard, difficult, never-easy decisions concerning characters that are cut and characters that are added.

Wrong. Those characters were BOTH planned to be in the game alongside Lucario & Ike. They were never replaced, but just never made it. Young Link & Pichu were the only Melee characters who's names were not in the games coding.

Sakurai makes hard decisions, but he doesn't make the stupid ones you suggest all the time. You're kind of alone on this. Posting emoticons doesn't make you right, it just shows it's the best way you can make yourself sound as if you are.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

No, this character was JUST invented and hasn't even come out yet. So he has no released titles. Sakurai finalied the roster this February ya know.

*coughROYcough* On a more serious note... did Sakurai seriously say he finalized his roster in February? I didn't hear about it...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

As a wise man once said:
"It's Nintendo's Greatest, not Nintendo's Latest."

A lot of people don't understand characters don't have to be "relevant" to be added. If this rule was followed G&W, R.O.B., Ice Climbers, Pit, Lucas, ect. would have never been added.

Thanks, and that was the point I was making, Bomberman is one of the greatest. Can't say the same about Jigglypuff though

*coughROYcough* On a more serious note... did Sakurai seriously say he finalized his roster in February? I didn't hear about it...

Except Roy is Nintendo, not third-party.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

Here's the thing Noah, and I'm speaking the truth here... characters like Roy, Young Link, and maybe even Mewtwo were all replaced by the most recent versions of their franchise's characters. Otherwise, they still would have stayed, and we would have Roy, Young Link, and Mewtwo over Ike, Toon Link, and Lucario. Like it or not, the truth is Sakurai has replaced characters in the past with either the most recent, or the most relevant to the series at the time. So it IS a pattern. Even if the truth hurts for the fans of their favorite characters, Sakurai has had to make hard, difficult, never-easy decisions concerning characters that are cut and characters that are added.

As people have been saying for the past hour, you can't make a pattern off of one game, that's like assuming 6 comes after 2,4 but in reality the answer is 8.

 

[MattX20]

The roster was finalized in February of this year? Interesting...

 

[aleckermit]

Prediction for Wii U version:

That's Goose the patriotic lanky man from Pilotwings 64 at the bottom right. Seems very likely to me since a Pilotwings background has been revealed in Smash 4 and Goose was on the cover of Pilotwings 64.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The roster was finalized in February of this year? Interesting...

i still think Mega Evolutions could be incorparated, and if we're lucky Genesect.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

Thanks, and that was the point I was making, Bomberman is one of the greatest. Can't say the same about Jigglypuff though



Except Roy is Nintendo, not third-party.

But what you have to understand is that's your opinion. Now the truth hurts, but an opinion doesn't matter to Sakurai and an opinion won't change the roster.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Prediction for Wii U version:

That's Goose the patriotic lanky man from Pilotwings 64 at the bottom right. Seems very likely to me since a Pilotwings background has been revealed in Smash 4 and Goose was on the cover of Pilotwings 64.

... Just because a stage is announced for a particular series... it doesn't mean a character representing the series will be playable. Otherwise, Electroplankton, Pictochat, and originally Animal Crossing would have had playable characters. Trust me, I made the same mistake before.

i still think Mega Evolutions could be incorparated, and if we're lucky Genesect.

Genesect is finished, as far as I'm concerned. If we want to focus on both Mewtwo AND Lucario, we'd also have to focus on their transformations... Genesect would be too much of a hassle. Besides, Generation 3 never had a playable character, so why should Generation 5?

 

[TheBakonBitz]

Prediction for Wii U version:

That's Goose the patriotic lanky man from Pilotwings 64 at the bottom right. Seems very likely to me since a Pilotwings background has been revealed in Smash 4 and Goose was on the cover of Pilotwings 64.

No R.O.B. no like.

 

[MattX20]

i still think Mega Evolutions could be incorparated, and if we're lucky Genesect.

After looking at Chronobounds observations on the Japanese Smash fan base' most wanted characters, I can't help but wonder which ones are going to end up in the final cut.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Prediction for Wii U version:

That's Goose the patriotic lanky man from Pilotwings 64 at the bottom right. Seems very likely to me since a Pilotwings background has been revealed in Smash 4 and Goose was on the cover of Pilotwings 64.

Stages have never equaled characters or else we need to add Byrne from Spirit Tracks and NintenDog. Having a Pilot Wings character would be silly. You should add a fifth Pokemon rep, either Lucario or replace Jiggs with Genesect and then add Lucario. I also suggest adding Starfy, removing Waluigi, and adding Takamaru. And I can't say Black Shadow is incredibly likely.

But what you have to understand is that's your opinion. Now the truth hurts, but the fact of the matter is your opinion doesn't matter to Sakurai and your opinion won't change the roster.

You misunderstand, I'm a HUGE Jigglypuff fan. Unless you were reffering to Bomberman in which case Sakurai may share my opinion of his deservingness. Yes, I know that's not a word.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

...Unless you were reffering to Bomberman in which case Sakurai may share my opinion of his deservingness. Yes, I know that's not a word.

Noah... stop pretending you know more than Sakurai, or that everything you say is exactly what Sakurai also says, while you say everybody else is not at your intellectual level or that you are the smartest person alive in these forums. All it does is make you sound arrogant and unlikable.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

In a perfect world we would be given 50 characters or so and we get to pick and choose 30-40. Then we would pay for extra characters made down the line. That way the majority of the people would be happy.