Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Fire Emblemier]

yeah... so apparently I have no idea how to quote somebody.

I notice what you did wrong, you deleted the first bracket in the /quote

 

[StupendousMike]

yeah... so apparently I have no idea how to quote somebody.

Edit: Nevermind. Ninja'd.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Okay, quick question fellow Smashboards members, which ones of you were King Boo supporters again? Because I've been doing some serious thinking and consideration, and I'm starting to think he may actually be a very good choice. He'd make an excellent Mario Spin-Off character.

 

[Espio264]

I notice what you did wrong, you deleted the first bracket in the /quote

The real problem is that I'm a spaz. But thank you.

I was thinking earlier, and I keep bringing this up even when it's off topic, but the New Lucario isn't too different in looks from regular Lucario. Would it be too much to ask for the Mega Lucario as an alternate costume like how Wario has the Warioware and Classic outfits? I know that throws a wrench into the possible Mega Lucario/Mewtwo final smash ideas, but if there's no real difference in their playstyles, would the mega forms be welcome as costumes?

 

[StupendousMike]

Okay, quick question fellow Smashboards members, which ones of you were King Boo supporters again? Because I've been doing some serious thinking and consideration, and I'm starting to think he may actually be a very good choice. He'd make an excellent Mario Spin-Off character.

I'd be curious to hear what line of thought led you to that conclusion. I like King Boo, but I think there's way better Mario choices.

 

[Espio264]

Okay, quick question fellow Smashboards members, which ones of you were King Boo supporters again? Because I've been doing some serious thinking and consideration, and I'm starting to think he may actually be a very good choice. He'd make an excellent Mario Spin-Off character.

Years ago before Brawl's announcement I made a character roster for fun and wanted to put Haunter on it. But I came to the conclusion that a character without feet (or some kind of bottom half) would be hard to pull off. And how exactly do you knock a ghost off the stage? Honestly I'm curious...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Okay, quick question fellow Smashboards members, which ones of you were King Boo supporters again? Because I've been doing some serious thinking and consideration, and I'm starting to think he may actually be a very good choice. He'd make an excellent Mario Spin-Off character.

I believe it was MagnesD3, and I doubt it. What makes him more deserving than Paper Mario, Bowser Jr, or Toad?

 

[TumblrFamous]

Okay, quick question fellow Smashboards members, which ones of you were King Boo supporters again? Because I've been doing some serious thinking and consideration, and I'm starting to think he may actually be a very good choice. He'd make an excellent Mario Spin-Off character.

I'm a supporter, but the only way I can see him to be likely is if Luigi branches off to be his own franchise. But iI'd love for him to be playable, it'd be really creative and unique.

Oh yeah, I saw people doubting K. Rool and Ridley. My input: they're not as likely as everyone thinks they are. Don't get me wrong, they're viable, but not as likely as other candidates. For all we know, we'll end up getting Dixie instead. But I think that we should just wait. Obviously, people in Japan are aware of their "overseas" popularity, so it will contribute. But if they're not in this Smash, I will start doubting their existence in the Smash games as viable characters.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I believe it was MagnesD3, and I doubt it. What makes him more deserving than Paper Mario, Bowser Jr, or Toad?

That's the thing! He doesn't have to! The Luigi's Mansion games is its own spin-off series of games, and it looks as if Nintendo is really trying to establish Luigi's place as his own character and not just a secondary sidekick. King Boo wouldn't be a Newcomer Mario character, he'd be a newcomer Mario SPIN-OFF character, representing the Luigi's Mansion series.

I'm a supporter, but the only way I can see him to be likely is if Luigi branches off to be his own franchise. But iI'd love for him to be playable, it'd be really creative and unique.

Oh yeah, I saw people doubting K. Rool and Ridley. My input: they're not as likely as everyone thinks they are. Don't get me wrong, they're viable, but not as likely as other candidates. For all we know, we'll end up getting Dixie instead. But I think that we should just wait. Obviously, people in Japan are aware of their "overseas" popularity, so it will contribute. But if they're not in this Smash, I will start doubting their existence in the Smash games as viable characters.

I think Luigi's Mansion has established itself as its own branch of spin-off games, and with more games to likely come in the future. Not to mention the unique possibilities of his playstyle is something to take into account. I'm definitely interested to see what they can do with him if they gave him a chance. And also, I think people seriously need to realize just how successful Metroid is and how it deserves said second rep. Of all the top 10 selling Nintendo franchises, Metroid, being at #7, is the only franchise that has not only been represented in all titles, but only had one character. It's insulting, and Ridley deserves his time to shine.

 

[Arcanir]

I'm a supporter, but the only way I can see him to be likely is if Luigi branches off to be his own franchise. But iI'd love for him to be playable, it'd be really creative and unique.

Oh yeah, I saw people doubting K. Rool and Ridley. My input: they're not as likely as everyone thinks they are. Don't get me wrong, they're viable, but not as likely as other candidates. For all we know, we'll end up getting Dixie instead. But I think that we should just wait. Obviously, people in Japan are aware of their "overseas" popularity, so it will contribute. But if they're not in this Smash, I will start doubting their existence in the Smash games as viable characters.

A bit of a correction, King K. Rool is just as much wanted in Japan as he is in the Western World, Dixie follows him.

 

[TumblrFamous]

A bit of a correction, King K. Rool is just as much wanted in Japan as he is in the Western World, Dixie follows him.

Really? Oh, that's surprising. I still feel Dixie might be more likely however. We'll never know until we get the roster, sadly, which drives me nuts.

 

[Jak_spoon]

I had a nightmare that three links were announced and and so was an olimar clone. I need to stop reading threads from this site before I take naps.

I'm not for king boo but I think he'd be a cool inclusion if he made it in.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Also, hang on a second. Those that are wanting Super Metroid Ridley but expecting Other M Ridley...why not a bit of both?

I found this about three weeks ago, and I think the combination of Super Metroid and Other M for Ridley's design looks fairly nice if you ask me.

 

[Arcadenik]

Luigi's world icon is still the Mushroom, not a Boo or the letter L... therefore Luigi isn't representing his own series in SSB4.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That's the thing! He doesn't have to! The Luigi's Mansion games is its own spin-off series of games, and it looks as if Nintendo is really trying to establish Luigi's place as his own character and not just a secondary sidekick. King Boo wouldn't be a Newcomer Mario character, he'd be a newcomer Mario SPIN-OFF character, representing the Luigi's Mansion series.

I think Luigi's Mansion has established itself as its own branch of spin-off games, and with more games to likely come in the future. Not to mention the unique possibilities of his playstyle is something to take into account. I'm definitely interested to see what they can do with him if they gave him a chance. And also, I think people seriously need to realize just how successful Metroid is and how it deserves said second rep. Of all the top 10 selling Nintendo franchises, Metroid, being at #7, is the only franchise that has not only been represented in all titles, but only had one character. It's insulting, and Ridley deserves his time to shine.

No, just no. Then you'd have to make Luigi count as his own franchise, and if you didn't you'd basically be saying King Boo is the main character. It's only had 2 games anyway, and everybody would be like "Why is King Boo his own franchise?" Also what makes you so sure there will be a Lugi's Mansion 3. I don't think Sakurai would find it necessary to represent characters from Lugi's Mansion or recognize it as it's own franchise, especially if there is no main character to represent. Even the Luigi's Mansion stage was a Mario stage. This sounds really crazy, not like you at all Hotfeet. (Well, maybe you do make weird choices, but never this weird) Luigi's Mansion won't be represented as it's own franchise and ESPECIALLY if Luigi is represented as a Mario character. It's weirder than having Paper Mario as it's own.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Luigi's world icon is still the Mushroom, not a Boo or the letter L... therefore Luigi isn't representing his own series in SSB4.

That's not the point I was making. The point is that Luigi's Mansion has established itself as a Mario Spin-off series with New Moon and has gained a huge amount of success from it. Luigi himself will not represent the series, no, he's a Mario character first. King Boo, however, isn't. He's a villain to Luigi's Mansion first and although he's appeared in Mario Kart, that's not exactly enough to make it look otherwise as other spin-off characters (Wario, Donkey Kong, etc.) are in the game. The point is that King Boo himself could be the spin-off representative of Luigi's Mansion, adding a unique playstyle that couldn't be replicated by others. Not to mention he's become very popular ever since he received his new (and in my opinion, much better) redesign for Dark Moon. It may not happen, it may happen, who knows what Sakurai is looking for, but the point is that he's not out of the realm of possibility.

No, just no. Then you'd have to make Luigi count as his own franchise, and if you didn't you'd basically be saying King Boo is the main character. It's only had 2 games anyway, and everybody would be like "Why is King Boo his own franchise?" Also what makes you so sure there will be a Lugi's Mansion 3. I don't think Sakurai would find it necessary to represent characters from Lugi's Mansion or recognize it as it's own franchise, especially if there is no main character to represent. Even the Luigi's Mansion stage was a Mario stage. This sounds really crazy, not like you at all Hotfeet. (Well, maybe you do make weird choices, but never this weird) Luigi's Mansion won't be represented as it's own franchise and ESPECIALLY if Luigi is represented as a Mario character. It's weirder than having Paper Mario as it's own.

Well let's take a look here and give an example of what I mean by him representing Luigi's Mansion. To give an example, I give a character that's already in this place in another famous crossover fighting game...

This is Dr. Doom, the main villain of the Fantastic Four and a fan favorite in the Marvel vs. Capcom franchise. His first appearance in the franchise was in the Marvel crossover, Marvel Superheroes. Being the main villain of the Fantastic Four, you'd think that they'd have the Fantastic Four as well correct? Much like Wolverine and Psylocke had Magneto? Well, not at all, he was his own representative of his own series. The same happened in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 as well. However, Super-Skrull was added, another villain of the Fantastic Four, that showed off all the powers the four used at once.

King Boo is in the same boat, he's the main villain who can represent the series he comes from quite easily on his own. And also, Luigi is easily the biggest exception to the icon-switching deal. It's not like they would change Luigi's symbol even they could, he's a Mario Bro, he's half of the big picture, if you're going to have Mario, you're going to have Luigi. But that shouldn't mean anything Luigi's done should be looked over. It's something to think about.

Years ago before Brawl's announcement I made a character roster for fun and wanted to put Haunter on it. But I came to the conclusion that a character without feet (or some kind of bottom half) would be hard to pull off. And how exactly do you knock a ghost off the stage? Honestly I'm curious...

The same way you would any other character...punching/slashing/rocket launcher to the face. I mean seriously, it's not like Boos have shown to be completely invulnerable, and it's especially made clear in the Luigi's mansion games in the fight with Boolossus and the Giant Boo in Dark Moon.

 

[Silverjay323]

A little tardy to the party but...here I go.

Just found out about Mega Evolutions and... was I the only one who didn't like it at first? At least until I saw Absol anyway.
I doubt It'll have much effect on Smash, since the game's a good ways in development and would be sort of a pain to implement, so I don't think it hurts/helps anyone's chances.

I like the thought of Bomberman better than Pac honestly. Pac never really appealed to me as a character, and if Snake's gone, I'd have Bomberman in his stead.

Ridley again huh? I have my doubts, but its possible...although I think its a stretch. I'd take Dixie over K.Rool, as I don't know much about him, and can't really see why he's heavily requested.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That's not the point I was making. The point is that Luigi's Mansion has established itself as a Mario Spin-off series with New Moon and has gained a huge amount of success from it. Luigi himself will not represent the series, no, he's a Mario character first. King Boo, however, isn't. He's a villain to Luigi's Mansion first and although he's appeared in Mario Kart, that's not exactly enough to make it look otherwise as other spin-off characters (Wario, Donkey Kong, etc.) are in the game. The point is that King Boo himself could be the spin-off representative of Luigi's Mansion, adding a unique playstyle that couldn't be replicated by others. Not to mention he's become very popular ever since he received his new (and in my opinion, much better) redesign for Dark Moon. It may not happen, it may happen, who knows what Sakurai is looking for, but the point is that he's not out of the realm of possibility.

It kind of is. King Boo is NOT the main character of Luigi's Mansion and he's better known as a Mario character. I don't think we'd get King Boo in any playable form. He'd probably be like a trophy or something. You can't represent Luigi's Mansion if Luigi is not represented as part of it, plain and simple. Even then it'd be weird. What has possessed you to say this?

 

[Hotfeet444]

It kind of is. I think I know what I'm talking about better than you do, thanks.

King Boo is NOT the main character of Luigi's Mansion and he's better known as a Mario character.

He's the Main antagonist, which makes him a main character in the game. Also, I'd like proof for that statement of him being better known as a Mario character. It's not a case of Yoshi, who although he has his own franchise he's obviously better known as a Mario character, I want genuine proof that King Boo is labeled a Mario character more than a representation of Luigi's Mansion.

What has possessed you to say this?

I don't know...freedom of speech? Variety in character? The Love and Respect Luigi's gaining? Breaking from the Norm? The list goes on.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I like the thought of Bomberman better than Pac honestly. Pac never really appealed to me as a character, and if Snake's gone, I'd have Bomberman in his stead.

You could say Pac-Man is more likely, but the truth is he's iconic as a classic character. People keep saying He's more relevant, but it's his arcade game that makes him iconic. Mega Man's last game was as late as 2008, and he's represented as an NES character. So if Pac-Man got in for his classic history and requests, and Mega Man got in for his classic history and requests. What does Bomberman being irrelevant have to do with anything. I mean of course Pac-Man is more iconic than him, but he's more iconic than all the third-party characters.

The fact that he's owned by Konami is what makes him an unlikely character. Even though he was already partially owned by it. What it comes down to is that Sakurai seemed to recognize and represent Mega Man for his classic history, just like I assume he'd do the same with Pac-Man, so I don't see what Bomberman not having games in a couple years has to do with it. as his full past history is pretty solid and crossed paths with Nintendo quite a bit. But, it comes down to whether Snake returns and if Sakurai wants him. Third-Parties get added for who they are, not what company they're from. As long as he can get the rights to it it's still somewhat likely, but only if Snake doesn't return and Pac-Man doesn't get picked. He may not be as likely, but he's likely enough for me to have him on my roster and there are requests for him especially if you combine it with Brawl requests.

Speaking of representing people as classic I wouldn't mind seeing the classic version of Pac-Man and his classic history represented in Smash. It may not be the most exciting choice, but it'd be pretty cool. I can get on board with Classic Pac-Man in Super Smash Brothers 4!

Wouldn't be that bad.

 

[kingmario92]

You could say Pac-Man is more likely, but the truth is he's iconic as a classic character. People keep saying He's more relevant, but it's his arcade game that makes him iconic. Mega Man's last game was as late as 2008, and he's represented as an NES character.

Actually, Mega Man's last major game was released in 2010.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Ugh, the Wii U discussion is being infested by someone arguing Waluigi should be a Wario Rep... Ew. So, what's going on here? More King boo? Hotfeet, I really love the idea. Likely? Umm, not so much. Luigi is already a Mario character on the smash site, and I can only see KB if Luigi branches off. Besides, as a Mario character in general? Its only up to Paper, Toad, or Bowser Jr.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I think I know what I'm talking about better than you do, thanks.

Hmmm..... Classic Link over Toon Link, OOT Ganondorf, Impa, a 4th Kirby rep and now King Boo representing the Luigi series by himself as if he deserved it as much as Yoshi, Wario, or Donkey Kong and without Luigi or even deserved to be a playable character says you don't. Not to mention you ignore people's defenses quite a bit. You were being pretty cool up until know so let's not start being smart aleck and turn this into an unneeded fight.

Actually, Mega Man's last major game was released in 2010.

If you don't count compilations.

 

[kingmario92]

If you don't count compilations.

Nope, last Mega Man released was Mega Man 10 in 2010. You dare question a Mega Man fanboy, Noah?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Nope, last Mega Man released was Mega Man 10 in 2010. You dare question a Mega Man fanboy,

Looked it up, cool.

 

[3Bismyname]

You could say Pac-Man is more likely, but the truth is he's iconic as a classic character. People keep saying He's more relevant, but it's his arcade game that makes him iconic. Mega Man's last game was as late as 2008, and he's represented as an NES character.

Sorry this part bugs me. the last world released Megaman game was in 2010. Megaman 10. but in addition to that there were a few Japan only titles. some made for phones, others were from the spinoffs like EXE and Dash.

Ninja'd

 

[Hotfeet444]

Ugh, the Wii U discussion is being infested by someone arguing Waluigi should be a Wario Rep... Ew. So, what's going on here? More King boo? Hotfeet, I really love the idea. Likely? Umm, not so much. Luigi is already a Mario character on the smash site, and I can only see KB if Luigi branches off. Besides, as a Mario character in general? Its only up to Paper, Toad, or Bowser Jr.

Well, for a general summary of what I've been saying. Luigi is obviously not going to get a symbol change, that's clear, of any character he's easily the exception to this...how shall I say this..."thought pattern". We know nothing about Luigi's changes other than he looks like he's gotten more of his personality from the Luigi's Mansion games and that he has his standard Fireball. everything else in terms of moves (Other than that of his dash attack) is completely up in the air. I can't guarantee, but I have the hunch there will definitely be some Luigi's Mansion references in his moveset, if not a good chunk of his moves revolving around his gear from said games. So in short...Luigi doesn't exactly need the symbol change to represent Luigi's Mansion, but if another character did that directly tied to the character that couldn't have said symbol change, I don't see the problem with it. I'm just saying he has the potential to be a spin-off character and pull a serious Dr. Doom on us.

 

[kingmario92]

Looked it up, cool.

Just screwing around with you, ya know.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Just screwing around with you, ya know.

yeh, i know.

 

[AEMehr]

I mean if you don't count the compilation, Mega Man's last game was as far back as 2010*, and Sakurai decided to not even represent him as his modern form.

Mega Man's latest game WAS him in his Classic form.
*Fixed for accuracy

https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/nintendo-cut-off-the-speculation-of-smash-bros-on-miiverse

If you're willing to sign it because you care about your speculations, feel free to.

lol why? People have the right to an opinion, no matter how stupid it might be. SSF2 and Crusade have Goku in them, should we petition to shut them down now?

If you don't count compilations.

Didn't know Mega Man 10 was a compilation. We're also forgetting Street Fight x Mega Man earlier this year (even though it's not really being a Capcom game despite them advertising it).

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Mega Man's latest game WAS him in his Classic form. Didn't know Mega Man 10 was a compilation. We're also forgetting Street Fight x Mega Man earlier this year (even though it's not really being a Capcom game despite them advertising it).

Don't blame me, blame Wiki

 

[TumblrFamous]

Hmmm..... Classic Link over Toon Link, OOT Ganondorf, Impa, a 4th Kirby rep and now King Boo representing the Luigi series by himself as if he deserved it as much as Yoshi, Wario, or Donkey Kong and without Luigi or even deserved to be a playable character says you don't. Not to mention you ignore people's defenses quite a bit. You were being pretty cool up until know so let's not start being smart aleck and turn this into an unneeded fight.

Lay off him, Noah. We all have character predictions that we could predict and find likely. You find Genesect and Bomberman likely. I even think Sora has a viable shot. In fact, the only prediction of his I find far-fetched.is Sylveon. Impa, Classic Link, etc. are all plausible.

 

[3Bismyname]

Didn't know Mega Man 10 was a compilation. We're also forgetting Street Fight x Mega Man earlier this year (even though it's not really being a Capcom game despite them advertising it).

yeah i was just thinking about Street Fighter X Megaman. i mean Capcom did help fund, develop and publish the project so i mean in all technicality it is an official Megaman game.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Honestly, with Luigi being labeled as a 'Mario character', the chances of King Boo and Prof. E Gadd as playable characters have been drastically reduced. At most, they could be AT or background characters in a stage, certainly as a trophy/sticker. But as playable characters, they aren't looking too good.

 

[kingmario92]

Mega Man's latest game WAS him in his Classic form.
*Fixed for accuracy
lol why? People have the right to an opinion, no matter how stupid it might be. SSF2 and Crusade have Goku in them, should we petition to shut them down now?
Didn't know Mega Man 10 was a compilation. We're also forgetting Street Fight x Mega Man earlier this year (even though it's not really being a Capcom game despite them advertising it).

No. Street Fighter X Mega Man doesn't count to me. That was a fan game that a fan was making and Capcom essentially stole it and advertised it as Mega Man's "big" 25th anniversary title. F**k Capcom, HATE them for treating Mega Man and their other franchises like garbage.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Honestly, with Luigi being labeled as a 'Mario character', the chances of King Boo and Prof. E Gadd as playable characters have been drastically reduced. At most, they could be AT or background characters in a stage, certainly as a trophy/sticker. But as playable characters, they aren't looking too good.

I agree. But I understand where Hotfeet is coming from. To be honest, though, they'd be better as Assist Trophies.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Lay off him, Noah. We all have character predictions that we could predict and find likely. You find Genesect and Bomberman likely. I even think Sora has a viable shot. In fact, the only prediction of his I find far-fetched.is Sylveon. Impa, Classic Link, etc. are all plausible.

I'm not the one who made the arrogant insult so I'm not really the one who needs to lay off. And Impa & Classic Link still have to compete with Toon Link and the less complicated and more beloved Sheik. Sylveon actually should be the one you DON'T find that far fetched.

*Fixed for accuracy

Oh, yeh. Well than I guess him and Bomberman are equally relevant if you don't count the cancelled 3DS title.

 

[AEMehr]

No. Street Fighter X Mega Man doesn't count to me. That was a fan game that a fan was making and Capcom essentially stole it and advertised it as Mega Man's "big" 25th anniversary title. F**k Capcom, HATE them for treating Mega Man and their other franchises like garbage.

Hey, at least they still give Ace Attorney some love (and Strider, for whatever reason).

But Mega Man should at least get something more than a pointless artbook.

 

[Silverjay323]

Well, for a general summary of what I've been saying. Luigi is obviously not going to get a symbol change, that's clear, of any character he's easily the exception to this...how shall I say this..."thought pattern". We know nothing about Luigi's changes other than he looks like he's gotten more of his personality from the Luigi's Mansion games and that he has his standard Fireball. everything else in terms of moves (Other than that of his dash attack) is completely up in the air. I can't guarantee, but I have the hunch there will definitely be some Luigi's Mansion references in his moveset, if not a good chunk of his moves revolving around his gear from said games. So in short...Luigi doesn't exactly need the symbol change to represent Luigi's Mansion, but if another character did that directly tied to the character that couldn't have said symbol change, I don't see the problem with it. I'm just saying he has the potential to be a spin-off character and pull a serious Dr. Doom on us.

That point doesn't stand due to the fact that King Boo is nowhere near as recognized as Dr.Doom, and the main character, Luigi, is already included, you're basically adding the antagonist to the roster where the protagonist is already present and represents an entirely different series. Dr.Doom does not do that. There were no characters from FF at all at the time. Its not impossible, but certainly not as likely as you're trying to make it seem.

 

[Espio264]

This is Dr. Doom, the main villain of the Fantastic Four and a fan favorite in the Marvel vs. Capcom franchise. His first appearance in the franchise was in the Marvel crossover, Marvel Superheroes. Being the main villain of the Fantastic Four, you'd think that they'd have the Fantastic Four as well correct? Much like Wolverine and Psylocke had Magneto? Well, not at all, he was his own representative of his own series. The same happened in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 as well. However, Super-Skrull was added, another villain of the Fantastic Four, that showed off all the powers the four used at once.

King Boo is in the same boat, he's the main villain who can represent the series he comes from quite easily on his own. And also, Luigi is easily the biggest exception to the icon-switching deal. It's not like they would change Luigi's symbol even they could, he's a Mario Bro, he's half of the big picture, if you're going to have Mario, you're going to have Luigi. But that shouldn't mean anything Luigi's done should be looked over. It's something to think about./QUOTE]


I may not be fully up to date on my King Boo, but you can't compare him to Dr. Doom. If I know anything, it's comics, and Dr. Doom can be put in a fighting game without his series' heroes because he has a universal presence in the Marvel continuity. He's been a villain to Spider-man and Iron-man. I even have a series of Thor books that he's in. And I'm sure that's not all. So until King Boo starts showing up in Zelda and Star Fox games, you need a better analogy.

That being said, he merits consideration for being important to Luigi.