Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

But are you seriously sure Game Freak would recommend Genesect in a heartbeat?

Given his current status and the upcoming movie, yes. I don't think Zoroark is needed if we have Mewtwo or Lucario. I think it makes sense to have Genesect and Mewtwo. I doubt Lucario will be this relevant forever.

 

[MargnetMan23]

But are you seriously sure Game Freak would recommend Genesect in a heartbeat?

Well it's more likely then Zoroark honestly, it's not like they're heavily promoting Zoroark now (Though I do think it's kind of likely we'll just get all pokevets+newtwo)

 

[FalKoopa]

But are you seriously sure Game Freak would recommend Genesect in a heartbeat?

Does Sakurai go to Game Freak for suggestions?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well it's more likely then Zoroark honestly, it's not like they're heavily promoting Zoroark now (Though I do think it's kind of likely we'll just get all pokevets+newtwo)

Having all veteran Pokemon would be dissapointing. Also, check out meh new roster!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Does Sakurai go to Game Freak for suggestions?

I heard he does.

 

[Smashiny]

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Noticeable differences:

Matthew - Most people have Issac, as he appears in all the titles. I have Matthew because it seems he has replaced Issac's role and is mostly a reboot of him. This will be a more relevant way of representing Golden Sun. But both are very likely, but I go with Matthew.

Starfy - Starfy is one of the most likely, he's had 3 GBA installments, a 4th on DS, and a fifth western release on DS. He has become a pretty big Nintendo All-Star and has a lot of Move Set Potential. I suggest others add him.

Sheriff - He was the first Nintendo game (not counting Computer Othello.) as well as an international arcade title, he can represent the arcade and his status of recognition is similar to that of Ice Climbers.

Newtwo - since Newtwo should be able to do every thing Mewtwo can, there's really no point in implementing the transformation, once you become the upgraded form there is no reason to switch back to the original form. It's easier to just have him as his own character so that's what I did.

NEW! Genesect - My newest addition. I didn't add Genesect because he's a new Pokemon, I added him because we need a Pokemon that hasn't already been playable. Genesect fits the description Sakurai gave on how he adds Pokemon characters. Genesect being in SSB seems very likely and has so much potential.

NEW! Medusa - If Sakurai brings us the Goddess of Light, it's likely he might want to add the Goddess of Darkness as a semi-clone. It seems like a likely thing to do. StarFox got 3 reps so I don't see it too unlikely for Kid Icarus to. Sakurai seemed to really want to push Kid Icarus in the Smash 4 Trailer.

Paper Mario - Bowser Jr is very likely to be the 5th Mario rep, but I see Paper Mario to be more preferred and unique. It just seems like the more logical choice.

Bomberman - Konami has recently acquired one of the most popular/iconic third-party characters from the deceased Hudson Soft. Bomberman has had as much affiliation with Nintendo as any of the third-parties if not more and has had games on practically every game machine since NES. It hasn't been confirmed that third-party characters will return and Sakurai and Konami may want to make use of this character.

Sonic & Snake - Most games that have guest characters usually only have them once. If any game does that it should be Smash Bros. I'm sure Sakurai may want to prioritize Nintendo Characters in a Nintendo fighting game, and not have too many Third-Parties. We could have Sonic, Snake, and Mega Man, and though it's hard to imagine SSB without Sonic, there is the possibility either 3 will be too many and Sakurai may want a second third-party to have a chance. I just don't see third-parties as veterans. (I know Snake was added as a favor, but it was a request for him to make an appearance, not be a veteran for life. That'd be a pretty huge favor)


Mii - I think it's obvious he will use moves from Wii Sports, Wii Party, StreetPass Quest, and maybe even Pilot Wings Resort.


Costumes:

Villagette - I predict half of Villagers colors will be Boy, and the other half will be girl.


Dry Bowser - Either 1 costume or a second set like Wario & Villager.

If you have opinions or constructive Criticism, please give suggestions below.

(Credit to Ariand/AEM for making the Backgrounds of Mewtwo and Sheriff)

I don't think KI will get 3 reps, 2 is already stretching, it's not like KI is that big of a franchise...

 

[MargnetMan23]

Having all veteran Pokemon would be dissapointing. Also, check out meh new roster!

Hey, it's not like Metroid has been one of the largest franchises and yet only has 1 rep every game so far, that would be RIDICULOUS, Newtwo may not change the fact that it would basically just be a returning veteran but it WOULD make it a very fresh character.

 

[3Bismyname]

I think Zoroark was reasonably popular, probably didn't take off as well as lucario but still popular

still one of the most popular of last gen hands down. but like you said she hasnt gotten as popular as Lucario and now we're moving into the next gen where they are both being advertised relatively the same amount (Though Lucario probably a little more) into this next gen. another thing that helped Lucario into Brawl is the timing of it all. Lucario was still the newest thing, but enough time had passed that everyone knew who he was and there still wasnt anything new on the horizon. Lucario was the number one choice of that gen really. Zoroark doesnt have that same luxury anymore i think

 

[Gune]

Maybe

Lucario had a prominent role in a movie and then was heavily promoted for a time. Genesect is currently having a similar role of theatrical prominence and promotion simple really. And I will say that if Lucario wasn't in brawl he sure as hell wouldn't be in the next smash (but his veteran status boosts him quite a bit)

By that logic shaymin was the new lucario too so was Keldeo and Giritina right?

 

[Swift Fox]

Lucario was the first 4th Generation Pokemon to have a starring role in a movie. It was one of the first known 4th Generation Pokemon. It is rare in-game Generation 4.
Zoroark was the first 5th Generation Pokemon to have a starring role in a movie. It was one of the first known 5th Generation Pokemon. It is rare in-game Generation 5.
Genesect was the last 5th Generation Pokemon to have a starring role in a movie. It was the last known 5th Generation Pokemon. It is an event legendary.

Yeah guys, Genesect is clearly the new Lucario. The similarities are just everywhere.

Wait... I am confused on that last line: Are you telling truth or is that kind of sarcasm? I would've click "Like" if that was indeed sarcasm XD

 

[Gune]

everything that made Lucario popular.

The only thing he has that supports your claim that hes the new Lucario is the movie....thats not enough.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Maybe
By that logic shaymin was the new lucario too so was Keldeo and Giritina right?

Essentially... Yes, though they have the obvious disadvantage of not being humanoid >:D

EDIT: Why am I even arguing this I only want to see Mewtwo any way -_-

 

[Arcanir]

Given his current status and the upcoming movie, yes. I don't think Zoroark is needed if we have Mewtwo or Lucario. I think it makes sense to have Genesect and Mewtwo. I doubt Lucario will be this relevant forever.

The thing is it's relevant now and is still relevant, maybe that will fade with time but for now Lucario is still one of the popular choices for Smash over any other candidate. The movie is a good boost, but it isn't the end-all-be-all for a Pokemon getting in either (or else Pokemon like Keldeo and Manaphy would also be in consideration). Plus, if we're looking at the movies we have to consider that Mewtwo will probably get first billing before it since it's the much more popular choice and they may just leave it at that.

 

[Swift Fox]

Given his current status and the upcoming movie, yes. I don't think Zoroark is needed if we have Mewtwo or Lucario. I think it makes sense to have Genesect and Mewtwo. I doubt Lucario will be this relevant forever.

Oh, hai anti-Lucario fanboi ^_^

May I point out that Lucario is still relevant to the Smash Bros, more than Genesect and even Mewtwo? Quite simple, really. Lucario is a good fighter that fits so damn well into Smash than any other pokemon and even those with Smash 64/Melee status. If you disagree with this, you are disagreeing with Mario being in Smash as well.

 

[Reznor]

guys Zoroark is no where near as popular as Lucario he was going to be the 5th gen Lucario but he failed at it and this is coming from a guy who doesn't like Lucario at all

Zoroark is old news and not that popular (compared to pokemon that have been in movies) hes not getting in smash4 the new Metwo form and Genesect have more of a chance (but I doubt Lucario will be cut anyway)

 

[MargnetMan23]

Oh, hai anti-Lucario fanboi ^_^

May I point out that Lucario is still relevant to the Smash Bros, more than Genesect and even Mewtwo? Quite simple, really. Lucario is a good fighter that fits so damn well into Smash than any other pokemon and even those with Smash 64/Melee status. If you disagree with this, you are disagreeing with Mario being in Smash as well.

Any reason you state Lucario fits so well can be said for mewtwo -_- ERMAGERD HE'S HUMANOID! Best reason ever

 

[SonicMario]

Sonic & Snake - Most games that have guest characters usually only have them once. If any game does that it should be Smash Bros. I'm sure Sakurai may want to prioritize Nintendo Characters in a Nintendo fighting game, and not have too many Third-Parties. We could have Sonic, Snake, and Mega Man, and though it's hard to imagine SSB without Sonic, there is the possibility either 3 will be too many and Sakurai may want a second third-party to have a chance. I just don't see third-parties as veterans. (I know Snake was added as a favor, but it was a request for him to make an appearance, not be a veteran for life. That'd be a pretty huge favor)

Snake might be cut for this reason. But I think Sonic's an entire different case given how he got into Brawl in the first place (Sheer popularity), relevency with Sonic Lost World and the Sega-Nintendo 3 game Sonic exclusive deal, plus the fact they're STILL making Mario and Sonic games. Games where Sonic characters are constantly crossovered with Nintendo's flagship franchise should point towards Sonic staying.

Honestly if Sonic got cut, it would be very bittersweet for the Megaman fans because that might mean Megaman's not a sure standby either for when an SSB5 rolls around and even the most popular addition to a Smash game in the franchise's history did not stay for more then one game. I feel like Nintendo and/or Sakurai would still treat very very VERY wanted characters like Megaman and Sonic as veterans just like all the other characters in the game. It'd be a mistake to not have them be mainstays for the rest of the franchise.

 

[Gune]

Essentially... Yes, though they have the obvious disadvantage of not being humanoid >:D

Get out.

 

[Reznor]

Snake might be cut for this reason. But I think Sonic's an entire different case given how he got into Brawl in the first place (Sheer popularity), relevency with Sonic Lost World and the Sega-Nintendo 3 game Sonic exclusive deal, plus the fact they're STILL making Mario and Sonic games. Games where Sonic characters are constantly crossovered with Nintendo's flagship franchise should point towards Sonic staying.

Honestly if Sonic got cut, it would be very bittersweet for the Megaman fans because that might mean Megaman's not a sure standby either for when an SSB5 rolls around and even the most popular addition to a Smash game in the franchise's history did not stay for more then one game. I feel like Nintendo and/or Sakurai would still treat very very VERY wanted characters like Megaman and Sonic as veterans just like all the other characters in the game. It'd be a mistake to not have them be mainstays for the rest of the franchise.

Sakurai probably likes Megaman though so its different (pretty sure Sakurai hates Sonic)

 

[MargnetMan23]

Get out.

Giratina is TOO ****ING BIG!

 

[Hotfeet444]

Sakurai probably likes Megaman though so its different (pretty sure Sakurai hates Sonic)

I'm pretty sure if Sakurai hated Sonic, he wouldn't have gotten in Brawl to begin with.

 

[AEMehr]

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Too much Kid Icarus representation.
Just put Sonic back in, it makes no sense for him to be removed. Especially because he's exclusively a Nintendo character for Lost World, M&S Olympic 4, and the secretly not yet announced game that Sega keeps teasing us about.

Having all veteran Pokemon would be dissapointing. Also, check out meh new roster!

Maybe to you, but having all of those veterans back would be a dream come true for me. It's not about what's "boring", it's about what pleases the majority of the fans the most.
Which Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokemon Trainer (w/ Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard), Lucario, and Mewtwo do perfectly in most cases.

 

[SonicMario]

Sakurai probably likes Megaman though so its different (pretty sure Sakurai hates Sonic)

Even if that were so, I don't think Sakurai puts too much of his personal bias in (Most notably in that he's always limited his Kirby representation up until Brawl in the character roster). I don't think he'd keep Megaman in the fifth SSB game and not have Sonic return and be like "Hahaha suck on that Sonic fans". I think Sakurai's more respectful then that. Though honestly I don't think he really hates any character added to SSB. Given how he doesn't like to cut any characters.

 

[mimgrim]

Oh, hai anti-Lucario fanboi ^_^

May I point out that Lucario is still relevant to the Smash Bros, more than Genesect and even Mewtwo? Quite simple, really. Lucario is a good fighter that fits so damn well into Smash than any other pokemon and even those with Smash 64/Melee status. If you disagree with this, you are disagreeing with Mario being in Smash as well.

Lol that logic is so fail it isn't even funny. Mario isn't in Smash because he is a good fighter, Mario is in Smash because he is the most popular Nintendo character in exstince and is literally the mascot of all of Nintendo. Lucario is neither, he isn't even either for his own game series as Charizard is the most popular Pokemon and Pikachu is the mascot of Pokemon. Mario is on a whole different league then Lucario, and so is Pikachu. Heck the fact that you even say Lucario better in Smash then Pikachu, who is the mascot of Pokemon, is wrong on so many levels. Do you even know what it is you are saying when you start to speak out of your ass like this? ._.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

But are you seriously sure Game Freak would recommend Genesect in a heartbeat?

Wait... I am confused on that last line: Are you telling truth or is that kind of sarcasm? I would've click "Like" if that was indeed sarcasm XD

Yes, the everywhere was sarcastic. I'm saying Genesect has nothing to compare with Lucario in comparison to Zoroark.

Oh, hai anti-Lucario fanboi ^_^

May I point out that Lucario is still relevant to the Smash Bros, more than Genesect and even Mewtwo? Quite simple, really. Lucario is a good fighter that fits so damn well into Smash than any other pokemon and even those with Smash 64/Melee status. If you disagree with this, you are disagreeing with Mario being in Smash as well.

What...?

"Lucario is good at fighting so that's why he should be in over Mewtwo. If you disagree, you think Mario shouldn't be in Smash Bros. as well."

Did you even read that before posting it? It makes no lick of sense...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm pretty sure if Sakurai hated Sonic, he wouldn't have gotten in Brawl to begin with.

Sakurai wouldn't refrain from having characters due to his own personal preference, people like to use that excuse for Starfy.

Too much Kid Icarus representation.
Just put Sonic back in, it makes no sense for him to be removed. Especially because he's exclusively a Nintendo character for Lost World, M&S Olympic 4, and the secretly not yet announced game that Sega keeps teasing us about.



Maybe to you, but having all of those veterans back would be a dream come true for me. It's not about what's "boring", it's about what pleases the majority of the fans the most.
Which Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokemon Trainer (w/ Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard), Lucario, and Mewtwo do perfectly in most cases.

It's not really too much for Kid Icarus, StarFox got 3. And Sonic is likely to return, I'm just skeptical of third-parties being veterans. And most fans would not be pleased with all veteran Pokemon.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Oh, hai anti-Lucario fanboi ^_^

May I point out that Lucario is still relevant to the Smash Bros, more than Genesect and even Mewtwo? Quite simple, really. Lucario is a good fighter that fits so damn well into Smash than any other pokemon and even those with Smash 64/Melee status. If you disagree with this, you are disagreeing with Mario being in Smash as well.

I smell a blind fanboy comment. Lucario isn't that great a character, he doesn't even fight like a Lucario would. Also, Mewtwo, while only being in Melee, was playable in every game in the franchise at some point in development as well as already being considered for this current game. Seriously, that's almost as bad as your old Ridley comments.

Sakurai wouldn't refrain from having characters due to his own personal preference, people like to use that excuse for Starfy.

It still doesn't change the fact that there's really no proof out there to show that Sakurai hates Sonic. His bland moveset? He was a rushed character, he was put in at the very end of development, he didn't have enough time to make a fully versatile Sonic. Snake's Codec? Accordingly, that's more of David Hayter's personal preference, as accordingly he doesn't like Sonic very much. I hear his favorite character in said franchise is Knuckles though.

 

[Arcadenik]

Maybe to you, but having all of those veterans back would be a dream come true for me. It's not about what's "boring", it's about what pleases the majority of the fans the most.
Which Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokemon Trainer (w/ Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard), Lucario, and Mewtwo do perfectly in most cases.

Given that the majority of fans hate cutting characters... I am sure they would want to keep on hoarding characters indefinitely. For example...

SSB4: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, add Mewtwo
SSB5: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, add Meowth
SSB6: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, Meowth, add Zoroark
SSB7: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, Meowth, Zoroark, add Plusle & Minun
SSB8: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, Meowth, Zoroark, Plusle & Minun, add Pokémon Trainer Gold
...and so on for future SSB games.

I would get bored with the Pokémon characters if I have to keep on playing as the same Pokemon from the last 8 Smash games just because some people are unable to cope with loss of a VIDEO GAME CHARACTER.

 

[FalKoopa]

It's not really too much for Kid Icarus, StarFox got 3.

StarFox has twice the number of games Kid Icarus has, so the point doesn't stand.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The only thing he has that supports your claim that hes the new Lucario is the movie....thats not enough.

There were other Anime appearances and he's pretty popular in game. What made Lucario so popular?

Also, wouldn't it be strange to have Sonic return without Snake? Also Arcadenik is right, people will get bored having to use the same Pokemon from Brawl/Melee.

 

[Reznor]

Oh, hai anti-Lucario fanboi ^_^

May I point out that Lucario is still relevant to the Smash Bros, more than Genesect and even Mewtwo? Quite simple, really. Lucario is a good fighter that fits so damn well into Smash than any other pokemon and even those with Smash 64/Melee status. If you disagree with this, you are disagreeing with Mario being in Smash as well.

I really don't understand what Mario has to do with Lucario

Given that the majority of fans hate cutting characters... I am sure they would want to keep on hoarding characters indefinitely. For example...

SSB4: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, add Mewtwo
SSB5: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, add Meowth
SSB6: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, Meowth, add Zoroark
SSB7: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, Meowth, Zoroark, add Plusle & Minun
SSB8: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, Meowth, Zoroark, Plusle & Minun, add Pokémon Trainer Gold
...and so on for future SSB games.

I would get bored with the Pokémon characters if I have to keep on playing as the same Pokemon from the last 8 Smash games just because some people are unable to cope with loss of a VIDEO GAME CHARACTER.

I have played the same characters since 64 and I'm not tired of them at all most people play the same character for years and don't get tired of them

hey guys we have had this Mario guy since 64 lets replace him because he uses the same move set in every game and its old

 

[Wario's Fart]

not sure if this has been addressed, but as much as I love metroid and ridley, they would have change the character from the original content way to much to include him in the game properly.

 

[FalKoopa]

Given that the majority of fans hate cutting characters... I am sure they would want to keep on hoarding characters indefinitely. For example...

SSB4: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, add Mewtwo
SSB5: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, add Meowth
SSB6: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, Meowth, add Zoroark
SSB7: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, Meowth, Zoroark, add Plusle & Minun
SSB8: keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer Red, Lucario, Mewtwo, Meowth, Zoroark, Plusle & Minun, add Pokémon Trainer Gold
...and so on for future SSB games.

I would get bored with the Pokémon characters if I have to keep on playing as the same Pokemon from the last 8 Smash games just because some people are unable to cope with loss of a VIDEO GAME CHARACTER.

It's hardly boring...

I mean really, pitting "Red vs. Gold" or "Lucario vs. Mewtwo vs. Zoroark" is like a fanboy dream come true.

 

[Reznor]

not sure if this has been addressed, but as much as I love metroid and ridley, they would have change the character from the original content way to much to include him in the game properly.

this is bull**** and you know it but if you really think its not bull**** then explain why you think so

 

[Swift Fox]

Any reason you state Lucario fits so well can be said for mewtwo -_- ERMAGERD HE'S HUMANOID! Best reason ever

Is Mewtwo like Mario or Captain Falcon? *****, please XD

 

[TheLastJinjo]

not sure if this has been addressed, but as much as I love metroid and ridley, they would have change the character from the original content way to much to include him in the game properly.

Plenty of characters do that.

this is bull**** and you know it but if you really think its not bull**** then explain why you think so

Wow this guy just joined and that was your first comment towards him?

 

[Hotfeet444]

not sure if this has been addressed, but as much as I love metroid and ridley, they would have change the character from the original content way to much to include him in the game properly.

Not in the slightest actually...

Boom, there's your Ridley. Hunched posture, shorter tail, less lanky limbs, the smallest design he's had in years, etc.

 

[Arcadenik]

hey guys we have had this Mario guy since 64 lets replace him because he uses the same move set in every game and its old

Thing is.... Mario will always be the main character of the Mario franchise... and the Mario franchise will never die unless Nintendo goes bankrupt...

The Pokémon franchise also will never die for the same reasons... but the Pokémon characters except Pikachu are always flavors of the month.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

not sure if this has been addressed, but as much as I love metroid and ridley, they would have change the character from the original content way to much to include him in the game properly.

There are plenty of characters that have changed greatly from the original.

Fox never had any abilities like Phantasm and his recovery until he was in Smash Bros.

Also, Ridley has a number of moves and such that he could use, he really wouldn't need that much of a change.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If you think it should just be Veteran + Mewtwo that's fine, but lots of other people would prefer a new pokemon so it's okay to have a roster with someone new.