Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Silverjay323]

What can I say? Eevee's still incredibly popular, is loved by pretty much the entire world, and is one of the most advertise-pushing pokemon out there right now, in the anime, the new games, and the brand new Tretta set that comes with a starting set of Lucario, Mewtwo and Eevee. Not to mention that japanese vote on downloadable pokemon Black 2/White 2 where Eevee placed in the top 10, and the fact that Eevee has been available in almost every game in the franchise as either a gift, starter or just a catchable pokemon.

Not doubting Eevee. I love it, but did it have to replace Jigglypuff? Lucario's much more likely to go.

 

[Reznor]

What can I say? Eevee's still incredibly popular, is loved by pretty much the entire world, and is one of the most advertise-pushing pokemon out there right now, in the anime, the new games, and the brand new Tretta set that comes with a starting set of Lucario, Mewtwo and Eevee. Not to mention that japanese vote on downloadable pokemon Black 2/White 2 where Eevee placed in the top 10, and the fact that Eevee has been available in almost every game in the franchise as either a gift, starter or just a catchable pokemon.

I didn't say anything was wrong with Eevee was just saying you shoulf get rid of another pokemon for Jiggs

Like Jigglypuff is going to be a guarantee to return.

but she does have a better chance than most people think

 

[MargnetMan23]

What can I say? Eevee's still incredibly popular, is loved by pretty much the entire world, and is one of the most advertise-pushing pokemon out there right now, in the anime, the new games, and the brand new Tretta set that comes with a starting set of Lucario, Mewtwo and Eevee. Not to mention that japanese vote on downloadable pokemon Black 2/White 2 where Eevee placed in the top 10, and the fact that Eevee has been available in almost every game in the franchise as either a gift, starter or just a catchable pokemon.

I see these reasonings but Eevee's level of importance has pretty much been the same over the years. So if that wasn't good enough to give him much mention in previous smash games I don't really think he would suddenly be important enough to replace jiggs in this game

 

[Gune]

Not doubting Eevee. I love it, but did it have to replace Jigglypuff? Lucario's much more likely to go.

At the moment nope Lucario isnt.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hey guys, this is my first post on this site , so I hope this goes well. I'm going to upload my roster predictions here, which I admit is a little controversial, but here it is anyways:

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Red = Locked
Yellow = DLC (if there is)

First off, you'll notice the controversial aspect - Jigglypuff and the Earthbound series is removed entirely from the game. When Sakurai said cuts might be made, he isn't kidding, and quite frankly, I'm sick to death hearing about the arguments "ZOMG, they original characters, Sakurai never cut them LOL" (Ness almost getting cut for Lucas entirely destroys that worthless argument) and that every character from Brawl will return. As to why this may happen, Jigglypuff is a useless slot waster of a joke character, and quite frankly the Earthbound series is not only dead, but also irrelevant and unnecessary to the contribution of the gaming industry (please don't get butt-hurt over my opinion, it's just that, opinion ). The truth of the matter may be difficult to face, but they'll get over it eventually, especially with the better newcomers taking over and contributing more to the series overall than Jigglypuff and Earthbound (cough, Isaac, Lloyd, Takamaru, Dillon, PACMAN, cough).

Here are my other reasons:

Mario Series: Obviously, all the major Mario characters will return, but I think they'll finally add some newcomers.
- Toad: Honestly, this is a long overdue process, as Toad is not only a major character from the Mario series (from being a supporting character in storylines to actually being playable in several platformers) he brings a uniqueness to the Mario universe with his potential moveset and character. Plus, he's highly requested and popular, and that's important.
- Bowser Jr.: Same reasons as Toad, as well as Bowser Jr. bringing a Diddy Kong like factor to Bowser's Donkey Kong. Also highly requested and popular among Smash.

Donkey Kong Series: This series could use some representing.
- King K. Rool: This is one of the major all-star characters (other than Ridley) that not only need to be added on the roster, but also adds more heavyweights to the mix. For me, it was a toss-up between this and Dixie Kong, and while I think she would be fun, I don't think Donkey Kong warrants two newcomers in place of new series to be added (like Lloyd, Isaac, etc. instead)

Zelda Series: Here we go with an unpopular prediction.
- Impa and Zelda: A major shake-up to the roster is finally removing Sheik, an outdated and irrelevant character, for someone more recent and interesting, like Impa. This also may seem controversial, but what's done must be done for the sake of moving on for the series (Sheik works for OoT Zelda, not SS Zelda, it makes no sense). Impa not only brings balance to Zelda by not making the character a one-sided never-usable (who ever uses Zelda with Sheik rather than just Sheik), but also brings Skyward Sword up-to-date in the Smash. Sheik is popular, don't get me wrong, but its necessary - eventually Zelda needs to update herself to current standards, for the better of herself. Just make Sheik an AT or alternate attire to appease the fans with this uneasy decision. Plus, and I'm not trying to be offensive, but Sheik comes off as a ******, and that may send a wrong message to kids playing this. Just my opinion, though.
- Vaati: He is still a highly requested character, and plus brings a magical-like quality as a mage-user. although I'm a little skeptical if he will even make it. I'm 25-75 on this one, because for me it's more wishful thinking than anything else. I can dream, can I?

Kid Icarus Series: This is Sakurai's work here, so obviously he's going to go overboard with representing his series. Sakurai's always had favoritism to his characters in the games (Metaknight's overall awesome spamming, etc.).
- Palutena: I don't even need to make an argument for this one - this is Sakurai's precious series, and if there is going to be one extra representative off a highly popular and successful game, it's Palutena. It's not a matter of if, but when.
- Hades: It may seem far-fetched, but the Icarus series could use a badass villain with an interesting aura about him. (Don't give me the "OMG, LOL Sakurai is too humble for his series LOL, OMG" - he's not, and there's nothing to be ashamed off for showing off his series proudly). Hades would be a necessary villain to represent his universe, and could potentiall be what Ganondorf could have.

Metroid: This series is LONG OVERDUE an extra representative - the question is, though, how many can you add with a series like this. There is only one true answer to this (although Anthony Higgs may disagree):
- Ridley: Just like King K. Rool, Ridley is long overdue a shot as a playable characters. Size isn't even a factor, as re-sizing's been done before, Ridley has a large moveset poll to choose from, he can add another heavyweight to the series (with aerial moves, no doubt) and plus Ridley is a FLYING DRAGON ALIEN BOUNTY HUNTER!!! What's not to love? I'm dead-set on this one.

Star Fox Series: I think the series doesn't need any more newcomers because it's practically complete (other than the massive furry obsession for Krystal, which is highly scariness). I do wish the clonish aspects would be removed altogether, though.
- Slippy: Same reasons as Toad practically. Plus, how can he be a clone of Fox? He's guaranteed a unique moveset! Unlike Toad, though, Slippy has a sizable hatebase. I don't understand the hate the character receives, so don't think I'm ignoring the hate base, because I'm not. That could get in the way. Like I said, I'm not too confident in Slippy, but like Vaati, I hope he makes it.

Pokemon: The way I see it, generations 5 and 6 will be both represented with a newcomer and a returning fighter.
- Zoroark: Popular, representing 5th generation, awesome look, unique dark style ultra shadow moves, ability to copy abilities or moves like Kirby, quick and nimble, starred in movies and what's not to love about Zoroark.
- Mewtwo: If any veteran (other than Roy) is going to make it in for a return from an absence, it's Mewtwo. Highly requested, still popular, unique diversity among others, recent resurgence with the six generations, similar reasons to Zoroark, and what's also not to love about Mewtwo. Plus, potential second form will be interesting, and Sakurai is considering his inclusion.

Fire Emblem: Honestly, I really don't care much about this irrelevant series, and the only reason its requested in Smash is because 1. Marth, Roy, and Ike are awesome (but a little gay) and 2. Sakurai's strange hard-on for the series. Either way, though, the current pattern is Marth and another newcoming Fire Emblem character, and I don''t see it changing at this rate.
- Khrom: New guy, whatever, next. Honestly, though, three blue-haired swordfighters? Boring, predictable, and obviousness. Next.

F-Zero:
- Black Shadow: Falcon desperately needs another representative. Goroh might also work, but Takumaru gets in the way of another samurai user.

New series characters: Lloyd Irving, Takumaru, Dillon, Isaac, Mii, and PACMAN all bring not only new series into this, but also new aspects of fighting styles into the mix, thus intensifying the interest level of Smash much more so.
Lloyd: Justice bringer, baby, Project X.
Takamaru: Eastern-style samurai techniques, Famicon.
Dillon: Armadillo moves like rolling, Western-style to the mix, 3ds shop.
Isaac: Swordsman/Magic user, Golden Sun.
Mii: CUSTOMIZATION. Besides, who wouldn't want to kick *** as yourself.
PACMAN: Enough said, it's PACMAN. Plus, the stages would be awesome.

As for DLC, they are just characters I think are either better off as DLC or just barely couldn't make it.


Well, that's my predictions. So, what does everyone think? Like it, love it, hate it, whatever it? This is my first post, and I'm excited to be a part of this community. Send me your regards!

I can't really support your roster or even award points, but I can give suggestions

Removals

Hades - Medusa would make more sense, but we probably won't get anybody besides Palutena.
Slippy - As deserving as Slippy is, we don't need a 4th Fox Semi-Clone or any other Star Fox Characters. Besides 4 Star Fox Characters is too many.
Black Shadow - Unless he has moves different enough from Ganondorf
Zoroark - There's really no reason to have him over Mewtwo unless your goal is to have a Pokemon that hasn't been a veteran. It's just Lucario is more popular and people like him way better.
Dark Link - It's already a costume, make Toon Link DLC, or better: Replace Vaati with Toon Link
Dark Pit - It's already a costume, there's no reason to have someone if they can be a costume.
Dark Samus - It can easily be a costume, probably should town down on the Dark characters.
Lloyd - You have 2 Namco reps, you can't have 2 Third-Parties from the same company. Also Sakurai has stated Namco characters aren't getting any special treatment for working on the game. So I think Pac-Man is kind of unlikely too. He's more iconic as an arcade classic than he is in his modern titles. I just don't see Pac-Man in a SSB title.
Dillon - Dillon should be an assist trophy or a sticker. I know his games sold well on the eShop, I don't think he warrants a playable spot. You can represent characters without them having to be playable.
Impa - Really no reason she should get in over Sheik, it makes more sense to have Zelda transform into Sheik because Sheik IS Zelda. Were does Zelda go when she transforms into Sheik. I don't think Impa served a major role in the series, she's Zelda's servant, Zelda should have the major characters of the series. Link: The protagonist, Zelda: The princess in the title, Ganondorf: The main villian of the series, and Toon Link: The younger version of the hero that also represents the beloved Toon titles.
Shadow Mario - I just don't think that's gonna happen. And Bowser Jr is fine on his own.
Toad - You need to pick between Bowser Jr, Paper Mario, and Toad. You have too many Mario characters.
4th Third Party - 4 (well 5 because you have Lloyd) third parties is too many, Nintendo characters need to be prioritized. You can't remove Ness, Lucas, and Ike for frikin Pac-Man.
Geno - That's never gonna happen and he has no reason to be in Smash (kind of ironic considering you like to remove characters because you think they're "irrelevant")

Additions:

Ike - add him back because there is no way Chrom is gonna get in over him. Ike is the second most popular lord of all time and has 2 installments unlike the rest (with the exception of Marth & Leif) You can keep Chrom just bring back Ike. Nobody wants him to leavea and there aren't any reasons for him to leave. And Chrom being in the latest title isn't a reason to replace someone.

JigglyPuff - having 5 Pokemon reps this time is very likely. Maybe add her, Lucario, or Kalos Trainer.

Little Mac - He shouldn't be DLC

Issac/Matthew - You need to pick one, you can't have both

Ness and/or Lucas - I don't know why the discontinuation of the Mother series leads you to believe Sakurai would remove one of Nintendo's best and most popular franchises. Mother wasn't erased from existence and neither is the impact it had on us gamers, people love EarthBound and there is no way in hell they'd be removed. Mother is never going to be irrelevant, heck they even released it on the Wii U eShop. What on earth are you talking about??? You declared it as "The truth of the matter" in which case you may need a reality check, NOBODY is going to get over it and NOBODY wants Dillon, Lloyd, or frikin Pac-Man over the EarthBound reps.

Mii - Not gonna single customization to one character. Mii has plenty of his own moves from Wii Sports, Wii Party, and StreetPass Quest.



You need to learn that can't just remove characters because you think they're outdated and irrelevant, that's not how it works. Also there was never a TP version of Sheik so who says there can't be a SS one. Also it's unlikely we will get SS Zelda because they version of Link we currently have in SSB4 isn't entirely SS and there is no SS Ganondorf. And if SS Zelda means you have to remove Sheik than it's not worth it.

and STOP calling series "irrelevant" you even called Fire Emblem irrelevant, did you forget about the game that came out a couple months ago? You do know what irrelevant means.

and the current pattern isn't just Marth and the new coming lord, Roy is in the coding of Brawl, and there is plenty of room for a third Fire Emblem rep. You just removed the second most popular one of all time. Also Marth Ike and Roy being awesome is not why Fire Emblem is playable in SSB.

I suggest you stop posting "OMG" and "LOL" and all of your thoughts as facts as almost none of them are true at all. And you don't have the authority to declare a character useless, irrelevant, undesired, or even remove them.

Not to be mean, but I hate it. I'm only saying that because you asked us if we did. Hope you don't take anything I said as rude, it's kind of hard for me to tell what people take as rude especially when it's in text.

I've updated my roster, so I with that said...

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I don't have Snake or Sonic since they were guest characters, and those characters will more often than not only be in that one game and that's it.

I like it, just not so much the addition of Giriham.

>bomberman

i lol'd

What's so funny bout Bumbermon?

He's one of the most popular Third-Parties ever, with the most affiliation with Nintendo. Not to mention he was recently acquired by Konami, which should heighten his chances assuming Third-Parties from Brawl don't return. It makes more sense than Snake who mostly got in because of a friend request. For all you know Sakurai probably WANTS Bomberman in SSB, it wouldn't surprise me. I wouldn't be so quick to shun him just because he's owned Konami (which should make him more popular than ever before.)

Like I said, most games that have guest characters don't have them return. If any game does that it should be smash due to a limited roster and the priority of Nintendo Characters. So you have no reason to shun Bomberman other than the assumption that the 2 Third-Parties will return.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I see these reasonings but Eevee's level of importance has pretty much been the same over the years. So if that wasn't good enough to give him much mention in previous smash games I don't really think he would suddenly be important enough to replace jiggs in this game

Oh no way, Eevee's importance as of late seems to have skyrocketed thanks to the anime and the new eeveelution. There's been Eevee's all over the anime, the new advertisements of merchandise, the voting panels for different things, and we have a small skit dedicated to the entire Eevee family with the latest Pokemon movie, as well as the starter set of Pokemon Tretta coming with a starting set of Lucario, Eevee and Mewtwo, three of the biggest pokemon going right now.

I didn't say anything was wrong with Eevee was just saying you shoulf get rid of another pokemon for Jiggs

I wish it was that simple, but honestly, thanks to everything that's going on in Pokemon as of now, I fear Jiggs may be the one most likely to lose a spot. Lucario is still pretty heavily advertised, Mewtwo is the main pokemon of the new movie and it's going to continue being huge thanks to how popular Mewtwo naturally is, and the Pokemon Trainer seemd too important to take out because Charizard is the most overrated Pokemon to ever exist. It all depends on what Sakurai thinks, and if overall importance to the series or to Smash Bros is more important.

At the moment nope Lucario isnt.

I think it depends honestly, it all depends on whether Sakurai feels Lucario has an overall importance to the Smash series, because while he may be popular, he's nowhere near as popular as Mewtwo, Pikachu and Charizard are, and he likes to change things up in the Smash series. I mean, the cutting of Mewtwo and having Mewtwo such low priority last time seems to indicate he cares more about a character that can be important to the franchise than that of the overall series.

 

[Reznor]

Oh no way, Eevee's importance as of late seems to have skyrocketed thanks to the anime and the new eeveelution. There's been Eevee's all over the anime, the new advertisements of merchandise, the voting panels for different things, and we have a small skit dedicated to the entire Eevee family with the latest Pokemon movie, as well as the starter set of Pokemon Tretta coming with a starting set of Lucario, Eevee and Mewtwo, three of the biggest pokemon going right now.



I wish it was that simple, but honestly, thanks to everything that's going on in Pokemon as of now, I fear Jiggs may be the one most likely to lose a spot. Lucario is still pretty heavily advertised, Mewtwo is the main pokemon of the new movie and it's going to continue being huge thanks to how popular Mewtwo naturally is, and the Pokemon Trainer seemd too important to take out because Charizard is the most overrated Pokemon to ever exist. It all depends on what Sakurai thinks, and if overall importance to the series or to Smash Bros is more important.



I think it depends honestly, it all depends on whether Sakurai feels Lucario has an overall importance to the Smash series, because while he may be popular, he's nowhere near as popular as Mewtwo, Pikachu and Charizard are, and he likes to change things up in the Smash series. I mean, the cutting of Mewtwo and having Mewtwo such low priority last time seems to indicate he cares more about a character that can be important to the franchise than that of the overall series.

**** it we can have 6 pokemon characters Pokemon is that popular

 

[kingmario92]

You need to learn that can't just remove characters because you think they're outdated and irrelevant, that's not how it works. Also there was never a TP version of Sheik so who says there can't be a SS one. Also it's unlikely we will get SS Zelda because they version of Link we currently have in SSB4 isn't entirely SS and there is no SS Ganondorf. And if SS Zelda means you have to remove Sheik than it's not worth it.

Agreed, if being irrelevant means you can't be in the game anymore, then your also saying characters like Capt. Falcon and Ice Climbers are not aloud in because their series are "irrelevant"

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Being less relevant in a series won't get you cut.

It may make you lower priority but by itself, it won't get you cut.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Oh no way, Eevee's importance as of late seems to have skyrocketed thanks to the anime and the new eeveelution. There's been Eevee's all over the anime, the new advertisements of merchandise, the voting panels for different things, and we have a small skit dedicated to the entire Eevee family with the latest Pokemon movie, as well as the starter set of Pokemon Tretta coming with a starting set of Lucario, Eevee and Mewtwo, three of the biggest pokemon going right now.

Meanwhile Eevee in 4th gen...
Glaceon and Leafeon: *lifts finger... paw whatever...* But-
Sylveon: SHUT UP I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S TWO OF YOU, YOU MEAN NOTHING... NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
But seriously if you're going to fall back on that argument you should go back to supporting Sylveon
Seriously, Eevee has always been popular, And the only thing changing now is that gamefreak is making a larger deal out of Sylveon because he's being used as their way of introducing the new fairy type. And again, being part of a pokemon short isn't THAT impressive

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Still better then Pac-man.

I'm not saying he's bad, it's just funny because lol like we're getting that.

For sure agreed, though.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Can we ***** about Fire Emblem instead?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Meanwhile Eevee in 4th gen...
Glaceon and Leafeon: *lifts finger... paw whatever...* But-
Sylveon: SHUT UP I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S TWO OF YOU, YOU MEAN NOTHING... NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
But seriously if you're going to fall back on that argument you should go back to supporting Sylveon
Seriously, Eevee has always been popular, And the only thing changing now is that gamefreak is making a larger deal out of Sylveon because he's being used as their way of introducing the new fairy type. And again, being part of a pokemon short isn't THAT impressive

It's also different to the fact that this time, there's only one new Eeveelution rather than being stuck with two, which is probably why Sakurai never did anything with them, he didn't want to pick favorites as it would be a bad business decision. Now, Eevee itself is all over media, and Sylveon is the lone eeveelution introduced in Gen 6. And let's just say that short is alot better than being basically forgotten by the anime and media all-together like Jigglypuff.

**** it we can have 6 pokemon characters Pokemon is that popular

If we COULD have Six pokemon characters, this wouldn't be a problem, but giving Pokemon more attention than that of Mario is a little problematic, especially since Pokemon isn't a bigger franchise than Mario, although Pokemon is the only real contender with the series for the #1 franchise in the world.

Being less relevant in a series won't get you cut.

It may make you lower priority but by itself, it won't get you cut.

I would say I agree, but Pokemon is probably one of the few exceptions in certain areas. No, it's not about relevancy, but since the series is always changing and the pokemon appearing in Smash Bros are continuing to make appearances in the media and the mainstream games, just like Pikachu is already confirmed for the new gen. They may still be older pokemon, but they're still making relevant appearances and important apperances in the franchise. Not to mention that even through relevancy in Firered/Leafgreen, Jigglypuff was STILL low priority and probably wouldn't have made it if it wasn't such an easy character to create.

 

[Reznor]

Can we ***** about Fire Emblem instead?

but we always talk about FE

 

[TheLastJinjo]

lol like we're getting that.
.

Why not?

 

[Silverjay323]

Eevee and Mewtwo, three of the biggest pokemon going right now.

Pretty sure this isn't true. There are more people talking about Chespin than Lucario and Eevee. You can't just go around saying who's the most popular pokemon, as its really a controversial topic of historically vs. currently. If we go with the former then Jiggs is more popular than all 3. (Well maybe not Mewtwo, but you get the point.)

 

[FlareHabanero]

but we always talk about FE

It's either that or ******** more about Pokemon.

 

[Silverjay323]

It's either that or *****ing more about Pokemon.

I say we talk about moarSrsly we don't ever

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

It's either that or *****ing more about Pokemon.

We should talk about how great of a character Yarne should be. Clearly the best choice for a Fire Emblem newcomer.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I say we talk about moarSrsly we don't ever

Ness is better then Lucas because of his hat.

That's the topic.

 

[Reznor]

If we COULD have Six pokemon characters, this wouldn't be a problem, but giving Pokemon more attention than that of Mario is a little problematic, especially since Pokemon isn't a bigger franchise than Mario, although Pokemon is the only real contender with the series for the #1 franchise in the world.

then we give Mario 6 characters also

It's either that or *****ing more about Pokemon.

well how about we talk about umm ...... Zelda?

 

[Silverjay323]

Ness is better then Lucas because of his hat.

That's the topic.

B-but the swirl!!! Everyone secretly wises to obtain Lucas' hairstyle!

 

[Hotfeet444]

Pretty sure this isn't true. There are more people talking about Chespin than Lucario and Eevee. You can't just go around saying who's the most popular pokemon, as its really a controversial topic of historically vs. currently. If we go with the former then Jiggs is more popular than all 3. (Well maybe not Mewtwo, but you get the point.)

Really? I haven't seen barely anyone talking about Chespin. But regardless, the media shows that they're still being heavily pushed by Game Freak, and that's the thing Sakurai looks for with Pokemon characters. Also, it's pretty much proven that Mewtwo is right behind the almighty overrated Charizard for most popular pokemon in the world. Well, when it comes to Jigglypuff, we can't use the former, especially when her popularity has tanked pretty badly in recent years, being forgotten by the anime and even though it was still a catchable pokemon, it was given low priority in Brawl. It feels as if Jigglypuff is being left behind, either that or the world's just realizing she's not as important as she seemed to be. I mean, even her singing gag was given away to another pokemon.

It's either that or *****ing more about Pokemon.

It's alot better than people saying Lucina should replace Marth, that's for damn sure.

 

[Gune]

I think it depends honestly, it all depends on whether Sakurai feels Lucario has an overall importance to the Smash series, because while he may be popular, he's nowhere near as popular as Mewtwo, Pikachu and Charizard are, and he likes to change things up in the Smash series. I mean, the cutting of Mewtwo and having Mewtwo such low priority last time seems to indicate he cares more about a character that can be important to the franchise than that of the overall series.

Thats exactly why im sure he wont be tossed aside so easily mainly because he introduces a high risk high reward playstyle with his aura gimmick, That being said in no way do I think he's intouchable but more likely than people give him credit for.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

B-but the swirl!!! Everyone secretly wises to obtain Lucas' hairstyle!

No! The swirl is dangerous!

Spoiler

Seriously, anyone who gets that needs a medal.

As far as playstyles go, I think Lucas is better than Ness 'cause I play better with him, but the tier list says differently.

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[Croph]

Ness is better then Lucas because of his hat.

That's the topic.

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Um, although I do think baseball caps are cool (especially if they're turned to the side) I humbly disagree with your opinion. I think Lucas' hair is pretty wicked! and I LOVE his girly star KO scream. :3

But yeah, Mother. I don't really see Ness or Lucas leaving. It would be nice if Lucas gets some new moves to help differentiate himself even more. I always thought it would be cool if Lucas got some rhythm based moves... as unlikely as I think it is.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I thought of the perfect Ice Climber Duo!!!!!!!!

 

[Hotfeet444]

Thats exactly why im sure he wont be tossed aside so easily mainly because he introduces a high risk high reward playstyle with his aura gimmick, That being said in no way do I think he's intouchable but more likely than people give him credit for.

While his style is definitely unique, style alone hasn't been enough to save a character from being cut, as we saw with Mewtwo, although that can be taken several different ways. The point is no, he's not at the point of just being tossed aside, but I don't think his chances of returning are as high as say Pokemon Trainer.

 

[Silverjay323]

Really? I haven't seen barely anyone talking about Chespin. But regardless, the media shows that they're still being heavily pushed by Game Freak, and that's the thing Sakurai looks for with Pokemon characters. Also, it's pretty much proven that Mewtwo is right behind the almighty overrated Charizard for most popular pokemon in the world. Well, when it comes to Jigglypuff, we can't use the former, especially when her popularity has tanked pretty badly in recent years, being forgotten by the anime and even though it was still a catchable pokemon, it was given low priority in Brawl. It feels as if Jigglypuff is being left behind, either that or the world's just realizing she's not as important as she seemed to be. I mean, even her singing gag was given away to another pokemon.



It's alot better than people saying Lucina should replace Marth, that's for damn sure.

Cause Lucario is more talked of than one of 3 starters of the game. Honestly the rumor about the starters' evolution and second typing is pretty much the most popular thing amongst Pokemon fans, the latter of which is the last thing the leak has yet to prove.

Jigglypuff's popularity hasn't tanked. Media promotion =/= Fan popularity. It's also a more recognizable pokemon as more people could identify it that other pokemon like Lucario or even Mewtwo. Sakurai HAS said he looks for the "hot" pokemon, but I think it was more of a justification for Lucario's inclusion, and really only applies to his slot.

 

[IsmaR]

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[FlareHabanero]

Sheesh, didn't know people liked Lucas's swirly hair so much.

Then again, when every I see swirly hair I think of soft serve ice cream. Oh delicious ice cream, how I am so lustful towards your chilly sweetness~

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Sheesh, didn't know people liked Lucas's swirly hair so much.

Then again, when every I see swirly hair I think of soft serve ice cream. Oh delicious ice cream, how I am so lustful towards your chilly sweetness~

That hair is the hair of the gods, you should be humbled to be in its presence.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Cause Lucario is more talked of than one of 3 starters of the game. Honestly the rumor about the starters' evolution and second typing is pretty much the most popular thing amongst Pokemon fans, the latter of which is the last thing the leak has yet to prove.

Jigglypuff's popularity hasn't tanked. Media promotion =/= Fan popularity. It's also a more recognizable pokemon as more people could identify it that other pokemon like Lucario or even Mewtwo. Sakurai HAS said he looks for the "hot" pokemon, but I think it was more of a justification for Lucario's inclusion, and really only applies to his slot.

I never even mentioned Sylveon in that entire statement, I was talking about Eevee and Lucario when saying that. And of course, the discussion of starter evolution will always be big, but that doesn't mean it drowns out everything else. And yes, it kind of has tanked. The latest worldwide fan-voted Top 100 Pokemon didn't include Jigglypuff, but included every other pokemon in Smash Bros so far, two of them being the top two pokemon on the list. And I don't think so, I don't think that only justifies Lucario. Maybe at the time, but now is a different story as Lucario has evolved into alot more than just that one hot pokemon, and the advertising for Pokemon was nowhere near as large as it is currently.

 

[FlareHabanero]

That hair is the hair of the gods, you should be humbled to be in its presence.

Palutena still has the most (literally) godly hair. Lucas is fine too, I guess.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Meanwhile Eevee in 4th gen...
Glaceon and Leafeon: *lifts finger... paw whatever...* But-
Sylveon: SHUT UP I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S TWO OF YOU, YOU MEAN NOTHING... NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
But seriously if you're going to fall back on that argument you should go back to supporting Sylveon
Seriously, Eevee has always been popular, And the only thing changing now is that gamefreak is making a larger deal out of Sylveon because he's being used as their way of introducing the new fairy type. And again, being part of a pokemon short isn't THAT impressive

I'd say she has a chance if it weren't for JigglyPuff.

 

[mimgrim]

So what have I miss all today? As I have been busy this day (getting my ass kicked at a tournament) and am to lazy to read everything. Mostly wanna know if I missed Feet posting drawings yet or not. lol

 

[Silverjay323]

I never even mentioned Sylveon in that entire statement, I was talking about Eevee and Lucario when saying that

I noticed that sry. Didn't you notice the edit?

And of course, the discussion of starter evolution will always be big, but that doesn't mean it drowns out everything else.

That contradicts your statements of them being the biggest pokemon doesn't it? Even so Pangorro and even Litleo have more hype.

And yes, it kind of has tanked. The latest worldwide fan-voted Top 100 Pokemon didn't include Jigglypuff, but included every other pokemon in Smash Bros so far, two of them being the top two pokemon on the list.

I'd like a source for that. I just don't think pichu could outdo jiggs. Nevertheless, my familiarity point still stands. It may not be "hot", but its definitely not forgotten.

And I don't think so, I don't think that only justifies Lucario. Maybe at the time, but now is a different story as Lucario has evolved into alot more than just that one hot pokemon, and the advertising for Pokemon was nowhere near as large as it is currently.

I noticed that. Didn't you notice the edit? I'd like a source for that.[/quote] Mewtwo Maybe, but pikachu's the mascot, so that's a guarantee. You're gonna have evaluate on this one, cause Lucario has just made a few minor promo appearances, and the figure from pokemon rumble, nowhere near the advertisement, jigglypuff and other pokemon once had. Again on advertisement, that is simply not true. Gen 1 had WAY more advertisement. Remember the Plane? It had many more promos, the most popular season of the anime, they even had pokemon branded poptarts back then for christ's sake.

 

[Croph]

Then again, when every I see swirly hair I think of soft serve ice cream. Oh delicious ice cream, how I am so lustful towards your chilly sweetness~

My favourite type of ice cream:

Spoiler

But yeah, Palutena's hair is very godly. So godly, that I'm worried if she gets in everyone might want a piece of it! I mean what if her hair has magical powers like Rapunzel!? Please, Sakurai, nerf Palutena's hair!

Jk, jk.

I' really do like Palutena though. She's definitely one of my wanted newcomers that I think has a good chance. But, it wouldn't really affect me too much is she doesn't make it in. I just feel as though she would add some unique diversity, y'know.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Why are we talking about Palutena's hair when we could be talking about Lyndis's legs?

 

[IsmaR]

Are people really still doubting the popularity (I'm not even touching "relevance") of a Pokemon voiced by Goku?

Not to mention they're STILL using him to promote newer generations/games.

Of course it'll never be on Pikachu/Mewtwo/Charizard levels of popularity, much less post-anime Jigglypuff (when was the last time Jiggs was even promoted at all, save for the recent Fairy type addition? I'm actually a fan of her staying, but the point stands) but it still remains a solid representation of both the 4th Gen (which thus far, is tied with 3rd Gen for the most games (even excluding spin-offs)) "popular media" across both games and merchandise/anime (apparently people think Movie 8 was the greatest thing since sliced bread or something). Above all, its chances are greatly bolstered by the fact that it has already been in Smash (which is all Jiggs has going for it at this point aside from nostalgia "fame," I regrettably admit).

I don't know why people have this "Sakurai needs to drop ____ for room for ____." The only reason I could see Lucario being removed at all is for the same reasons Mewtwo was: Time constraints and priority (which even then, we don't know the devs list in secondary Pokemon characters to begin with).

That all said, I wouldn't be surprised either way if Lucario stayed or went. It just irks me that the "newest flavor of the month" argument is so prevalent.

Dear Gods why are her feet twigs