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I am the same way, I actually like Black Shadow more, and I wouldn't mind if they just impute Ganon's move-set to him in order to retain the play-style, whilst giving Legend of Zelda fans a new Ganon that actually pertains to his series.

I just feel as though it is Goroh's time, if there is any character that wasn't in Smash yet, but deserves to be, it is that guy. Either way, I honestly believe that one of them is inevitable.
I feel the same way in regards to Black Shadow; that he'd be a win-win.
-Ganondorf gets new moves that aren't cloned for the people that want him to be de-cloned.
-Black Shadow gets Ganondorf's cloned moves for the people that liked the style.
-Japan gets Black Shadow (who is a big request there).
-A new F-Zero character for the people that want a new F-Zero character.

Only losing side would be the Goroh fans.

As for Goroh, I do feel he's been given special treatment compared to all other non-Falcon F-Zero characters. So at that point, I see Goroh getting in first.
But then again, the above also makes B. Shadow a logical choice.

This is why I'm so conflicted.


Well, if you had to choose between the two, who would you support more? Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh. Also, I can't help but think Outlaw Star everytime I read "Space Outlaw". :p Also, an image? Easy as Cake. :awesome:
I like both and support both. I keep switching between which one I support more based on what I said above this quote.
And thanks in advance on the image.
 

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he was totally implying I had a really nice butthole
your butthole is akin to your choice in characters

old, stinky, and it belongs to someone else

I feel the same way in regards to Black Shadow; that he'd be a win-win.
-Ganondorf gets new moves that aren't cloned for the people that want him to be de-cloned.
-Black Shadow gets Ganondorf's cloned moves for the people that liked the style.
But I like sparta-kicking, back-handing, country-style Ganondorf. :sadeyes:
 

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Not sure whether to laugh...cry...facepalm...eh, cue the gif:


You're either such a bad liar or you're just narcissistic beyond belief, but either way you aren't fooling anyone with this. Your bickering is why more than half the thread leaves for a few hours until you finally run out of steam so we can continue what we were talking about before.
When Andrew was here, me and bidoof were the instigators. Do you have proff that Saturn wasn't being nice?
 

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I'm sorry, but it's forbidden to have different opinions. Take your nonconformity somewhere else.
This was sarcasm, not trying to start an argument.
I know this, but he is generally agreed to be one of the most likely newcomers.
You won’t have to worry about your precious Ridley, I’m sure Sakurai is stringing up his flapping animations as we type

the best Paper Mario is the second one Bowser's Inside Story is my favorite Mario&Luigi game and it came out in 2009
ya it's subjective but i'm still right
I’m more right

But Geno is totally more awesome
Right on

You could say that about anyone. Not to put words in Tepig's mouth, but there's a huge difference between the chances of Ridley and the chances of Kamek or Geno. One's one of the most requested newcommers since pre-Brawl times and one of the few remaining true important characters still not in Smash. The other two are relatively fringe characters from a franchise already heavily represented.
Gosh, does everyone have to point this out at every turn!? I feel like I could start up a real life conversation about Geno and one of you would pop up and scream “NOOOOO” out of nowhere
 

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When Andrew was here, me and bidoof were the instigators. Do you have proff that Saturn wasn't being nice?
Yeah, it's called his attitude, his inflection, and the fact that with that post he's clearly putting himself above us. And better yet, why're you asking ME for proof? Where's yours? I'll give you a while on that, it may take you a while.

I'm not usually one to hate something or someone very often, but when I do, I've got a damn good reason to do so, and his attitude and demeanor is easily enough. Then again, I guess the term is "Punish the offense, not the offender".
 

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I would certainly hope that people would understand that Smash Bros is just a game. Very few people are legitimately rude on here anyway.

It's not like people say, "You want a character we don't?!? Drink bleach and die you loser!"

I frown upon that. If I saw that going on I would report those users instantly. I would hope most people would.
Again, you're justifying it by all means necessary. When you get down to it, it's just a game. Who cares? But, while we may not feel that way, I know for a FACT that some people take things more seriously. The mere concept of feeling like everyone is ganging up on you or supporting anything that badmouths you and makes you feel a lesser person could make a person feel that way. Regardless of the subject is, I've seen it before.

We take rudeness less seriously here because it's based on a subject that should not be taken seriously. But interacting with people will be taken seriously by some regardless of topic. I HAVE seen people here who have immediately left the thread when they came because they were ganged up on and I feel bad for them. Making someone feel bad for their opinion hurts them no matter what it is.

But, I don't want this to have to be the topic, so hopefully people can eventually just try to be nicer. Even if we think we're being nice, it doesn't hurt to try a little harder. We should ALL do that. Everyone makes mistakes including me.
 

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So. Who wants to talk about the pre-brawl roster speculation days? :troll:
I remember when the roster actually leaked massive flamewars started up on nsider2 with people arguing if the "35 character roster" leak was legit or not. There was only a handful of people who believed the leak while the rest of the board went up in arms against it.
Then it led to a 1,000+ post flamewar one night over rubies in Melee for some reason ...

I wonder if things will get crazy like that around the net again when the WiiU/3DS roster legitimately leaks.
 

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Gosh, does everyone have to point this out at every turn!? I feel like I could start up a real life conversation about Geno and one of you would pop up and scream “NOOOOO” out of nowhere
Yes. Because it's a legitimate argument in favour of Ridley and against Geno. I'm not taking issue to your support for Geno but that you think Ridley and Geno are equally unlikely.
 

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Yeah, it's called his attitude, his inflection, and the fact that with that post he's clearly putting himself above us. And better yet, why're you asking ME for proof? Where's yours? I'll give you a while on that, it may take you a while.

I'm not usually one to hate something or someone very often, but when I do, I've got a damn good reason to do so, and his attitude and demeanor is easily enough. Then again, I guess the term is "Punish the offense, not the offender".
you guys get all that from his posts ..... I must be slow or something I didn't get any of that
 

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So. Who wants to talk about the pre-brawl roster speculation days? :troll:
I remember when the roster actually leaked massive flamewars started up on nsider2 with people arguing if the "35 character roster" leak was legit or not. There was only a handful of people who believed the leak while the rest of the board went up in arms against it.
Then it led to a 1,000+ post flamewar one night over rubies in Melee for some reason ...

I wonder if things will get crazy like that around the net again when the WiiU/3DS roster legitimately leaks.
As long as it has Vaati, I should be fine.
 

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Have you played F-Zero GX? Also why does it matter if the characters are visible or controllable moving sprites in the game.

You aren't controlling the character, you're controlling a car. And don't ask me if I played the game since you apparently didn't either.

If you haven't played F-Zero, he's Falcon's big rival. A very important role in the game. Does Falcon represent the massive amount of characters? I guess Pikachu represents Pokemon as a whole. A Pokemon that fights. No need for more of that right? And Fox represents the series as a whole too. No need for Falco and Wolf.

I recall you saying he was his "self proclaimed rival" to me, that sounds like Falcon doesn't even take him seriously. Oh boy, a few F-Zero racers = over 700 Pokemon, you can count, right? The Pokemon aren't even comparable in that manner, the Pokemon aren't driving cars, they're actually there doing something. Falco was added in Melee to pad the roster, which obviously doesn't need to be done this time. Wolf was added as a last minute character because of Sonic crashing the party.

Okay, I think you've lost the credibility to defend the point your trying to make.

Reoccurring character =/= main character, unless you think Goombas are. Oh wait, Waddle Dee supporters.

Oh, I see. Samurai Goroh should be left out because he has those merits and characters with no move potential that had those merits got left out. That makes sense.

Please stop missing my point entirely, you want him in just for the sake of having a second F-Zero character, that has jack **** to do with his moveset potential. If Sakurai makes him unique enough then go on ahead, I'm just arguing that it's stupid to add him "just because."

Hold, on! I have to put that quote in fancy text and bold it. It's too priceless to be forgotten.

And you were just telling others off for not being mature? Good way to set an example.

That's your opinion. And judging by all the attention he gives F-Zero, Sakurai likely feels differently than you do about the importance of another character. So explain to me the criteria of a series getting characters from an existing IP. Because if it's not being popular, important, or balancing out the roster. I don't know what is.

Just like it's your opinion that he should get in just because he's from F-Zero, right? If he was from a different game that already has say, three or so reps, would you be arguing his case? No, you'd be saying Krystal he shouldn't get in because that series has too many reps. Don't support a character as a rep, support a character because you like them.



Just for kicks man, you take **** way too seriously Saturn. :troll:
 

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Looking at the Goroh argument, I am starting to wonder, is there an "assist trophy curse?"
I mean basically, "once an assist trophy always an assist trophy."

Look at Starfy.
Out of all the assist trophies in Brawl to represent a new series, he was probably the most unique.
I am starting to doubt Isaac, since he and Starfy (in my mind) had the same amount of credibility to become a newcomer in Smash 4.

Unless Sakurai is biased (which he may very well be), Starfy should stay the same ranking with Isaac. They both represent a new series. They both have about equal sized fan bases. They both bring something new to the table equally (though this is my opinion).

But seriously, I don't think that all assists will stay that way, but I think a majority will. At least the ones that don't stick out as obvious newcomer choices.
Though there are a couple flaws in this:
1. Tingle. He was an assist in Brawl, but is a likely newcomer for Smash 4. Though this could fit into my "sticks out as obvious newcomer" thing.
2. The Smash 4 assists seem to be really unique so far. We have Skull Kid, and Ashley. Both of which could make for very ver unique characters. AND that leak says that Fawful will be one.... which makes me not want to believe the "once an assist always an assist thing."
 

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Yoshi newcomers?

How about no?
Oh yeah, what about your choices? Besides Mewtwo, Cranky has the best chance. The others... ehhh, how about no? See I can say no too, all callously

Yes. Because it's a legitimate argument in favour of Ridley and against Geno. I'm not taking issue to your support for Geno but that you think Ridley and Geno are equally unlikely.
No I did not. I just said they all probably won't be in. Doesn't specify range of likeliness
 

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He said he was being welcome to new users, We're not new users.
Oh, so it's okay that he craps on us? It's okay he doesn't care about anyone but himself and people who share his opinions? I bet the only reasons he so is to get them to support what he does. It's basic psychology, it's the want for strength in numbers to feel important. I don't drop friends because they like something I don't (Like the Bandana Dee supporters, although they tried to destroy me ALA Vlad the Impaler style)

you guys get all that from his posts ..... I must be slow or something I didn't get any of that
It's pretty plain to see, it's hard to find a post in which he acts like he's on everyone's level, unless it's something he agrees with. And of course he'd like it, anything to make himself look pure (That's not a statement against you, that's a statement about his attitude)
 

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you guys get all that from his posts ..... I must be slow or something I didn't get any of that
That's so ironic coming from @ Hotfeet444 Hotfeet444 , actually. Also I'm not the one sitting here raging about other users.

@ Scoliosis Jones Scoliosis Jones : I should also note if you're suggesting things that would actually hurt a user, you could hurt users by rage quitting and calling them "Immature" and "The worst thing on this site" because they don't consider Chrom unique.

I know some people who would probably not deal with that as well as I did, and I worry that younger users are put in a situation like that just for a simple disagreement.
 
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Question,when do you guys think the game will come out?
 

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No I did not. I just said they all probably won't be in. Doesn't specify range of likeliness
Why won't Ridley be in then? The only reasons I can think of are technical. If you didn't want us to jump to the conclusion that you thought they were all as unlikely as one another than you should has specified, rather than mentioning them all in the same clause.
 

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Have you played F-Zero GX? Also why does it matter if the characters are visible or controllable moving sprites in the game.

You aren't controlling the character, you're controlling a car. And don't ask me if I played the game since you apparently didn't either.
Until the cars are sentient, you're controlling the character.


If you haven't played F-Zero, he's Falcon's big rival. A very important role in the game. Does Falcon represent the massive amount of characters? I guess Pikachu represents Pokemon as a whole. A Pokemon that fights. No need for more of that right? And Fox represents the series as a whole too. No need for Falco and Wolf.

I recall you saying he was his "self proclaimed rival" to me, that sounds like Falcon doesn't even take him seriously. Oh boy, a few F-Zero racers = over 700 Pokemon, you can count, right? The Pokemon aren't even comparable in that manner, the Pokemon aren't driving cars, they're actually there doing something. Falco was added in Melee to pad the roster, which obviously doesn't need to be done this time. Wolf was added as a last minute character because of Sonic crashing the party.
How does that work?


Okay, I think you've lost the credibility to defend the point your trying to make.

Reoccurring character =/= main character, unless you think Goombas are. Oh wait, Waddle Dee supporters.
Name a game goroh missed.


Oh, I see. Samurai Goroh should be left out because he has those merits and characters with no move potential that had those merits got left out. That makes sense.

Please stop missing my point entirely, you want him in just for the sake of having a second F-Zero character, that has jack **** to do with his moveset potential. If Sakurai makes him unique enough then go on ahead, I'm just arguing that it's stupid to add him "just because."

Hold, on! I have to put that quote in fancy text and bold it. It's too priceless to be forgotten.

And you were just telling others off for not being mature? Good way to set an example.
Yeah cause your sooooo much better. #sarcasm


That's your opinion. And judging by all the attention he gives F-Zero, Sakurai likely feels differently than you do about the importance of another character. So explain to me the criteria of a series getting characters from an existing IP. Because if it's not being popular, important, or balancing out the roster. I don't know what is.
Just like it's your opinion that he should get in just because he's from F-Zero, right? If he was from a different game that already has say, three or so reps, would you be arguing his case? No, you'd be saying Krystal he shouldn't get in because that series has too many reps. Don't support a character as a rep, support a character because you like them.
Proof?



Just for kicks man, you take **** way too seriously Saturn. :troll:
Had too respond, too stupid not to.
 

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Why won't Ridley be in then? The only reasons I can think of are technical. If you didn't want us to jump to the conclusion that you thought they were all as unlikely as one another than you should has specified, rather than mentioning them all in the same clause.
Are you even paying attention? I want Ridley to be a newcomer. This is a Ridley supporter on Ridley supporter crime!

All I'm saying is that no one is safe
 
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