Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Lasifer]

and you are probably bad at melee because you use mewtwo

Any good Melee player can be great with all characters.

 

[Morbi]

I doubt one would be revealed soon seeing how we just got Ashley,
give it a couple weeks, maybe a month before another one

Don't you remember December? We got like 3 or 4 assist trophy reveals. Apparently, we got TWO Legend of Zelda assist reveals in ONE month. Although... the second one was revealed on a character reveal page... and unless it has to specifically pertain to the character Zelda... it is kind of sort of just a generic enemy. Not to mention the strange instantaneous start up... or the notion that we got our first "assist pose"... twice... without any other attacking moves. I mean, I am sure Sakurai would just pick a generic slash and attack assist over everything else Zelda has to offer (which is pretty much nothing).

So a second Wario Ware assist trophy is imminent and inevitable if you ask me.

 

[SuperMii3D]

I doubt one would be revealed soon seeing how we just got Ashley,
give it a couple weeks, maybe a month before another one

Maybe not. AT arent as, uh, important (?), as characters, and Rosalina was revealed 1 week before Zelda, so I dont think time frame matters.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

I feel ya mate,. . . .

You have no idea brother....

 

[Arcanir]

Any Pokemon reveal would be great, since people are arguing about every one of them.

True, but Lucario gets it the worst of the three and is one of two (sometimes three) candidates expected to leave over the other characters, having him confirmed would be nice since he has the most to gain from it.

 

[Shorts]

ITT: List six of your favorite Newcomers and how likely you think they are to be included.

Krystal: 50/50 She's got all the fixin's, it's just a matter of if she's chosen. I feel that the "unique factor" is something she holds.
Tingle: Likely Dare I say it? I'm confident that we're getting a Zelda newcomer, and I think Tingle is the character to pick.
Zoroark: Unlikely As much as I want him to be playable, and even though he has just as much IF NOT MORE potenential to be unique than any previous Pokemon choice, I doubt he will be chosen. Sad day.
Dixie: Very Likely I would say she's part of my "on lock" group of characters. She's in, imo.
Junior: Very Unlikely I don't think Sakurai is going to recognize him whatsoever, besides giving him a trophy. Rosalina kind of crushed every other Mario choice, outside of Doc IMO.
Tharja: Very Unlikely She a badass *****, but too much important/popular competition.

 

[Morbi]

ITT: List six of your favorite Newcomers and how likely you think they are to be included.

Krystal: 50/50 She's got all the fixin's, it's just a matter of if she's chosen. I feel that the "unique factor" is something she holds.
Tingle: Likely Dare I say it? I'm confident that we're getting a Zelda newcomer, and I think Tingle is the character to pick.
Zoroark: Unlikely As much as I want him to be playable, and even though he has just as much IF NOT MORE potenential to be unique than any previous Pokemon choice, I doubt he will be chosen. Sad day.
Dixie: Very Likely I would say she's part of my "on lock" group of characters. She's in, imo.
Junior: Very Unlikely I don't think Sakurai is going to recognize him whatsoever, besides giving him a trophy. Rosalina kind of crushed every other Mario choice, outside of Doc IMO.
Tharja: Very Unlikely She a badass *****, but too much important/popular competition.

Mewtwo: 99.9%
The only smash veteran not in Brawl to have been planned for all incarnations of Smash. His data was the most complete, if it were not for Sonic, Mewtwo would be in Brawl despite not being very prevalent in the pre-Brawl era (this refutes the proclamation that he cannot exist with Lucario, and that Lucario replaced him). He is one of the only characters alluded to by Sakurai. Mewtwo is one of the most important and iconic Pokemon to ever walk the face of the earth, so that helps. Mewtwo's role in X and Y was lackluster, but his marketing predominantly confirms that he is imminent. He fits Sakurai's criteria for a Pokemon representative, more specifically, he was in the latest Pokemon movie. The immaculate candidate.

Tingle: 75%
Sakurai has already implied an interest in including more Zelda representatives and he has the Smash relevance to make him one of the more likely additions. His role as a background character transitioned to assist trophy is wonderful. It gives him credentials. He is one of the more prevalent Zelda characters, even starring in his own spin-off series. His doesn't really have any competition aside from Toon Zelda.

Meowth: 5%
If Sora Ltd. hasn't added him by now, they probably aren't going to. However, as Pikachu's spiritual rival (inverted Pokedex numbers and allusion to cat and mouse); he is also the main antagonist in the popular anime series. His spin-off game was canceled if I recall correctly, so he doesn't really have a lot going for him (aside from his staggering importance). He wasn't even good enough to be an assist trophy though, Sakurai threw him in as a generic Meowth using pay-day. So yeah.

Samurai Goroh: 50%
F-Zero is relevant in Smash and the series is one of the most important, not because it is one of the original 10, but because Sakurai treats it right with additional content (such as stages and reoccurring stages). Samurai Goroh was featured in the Melee opening and is currently an assist trophy. I believe that he can make the leap. The only thing standing in his way is the scapegoat Black Shadow (as Sakurai could impute Ganon's clone-esque move-set to him). Lucas was able to get in despite having an unpopular dead series (as Sakurai simply wanted to include him). It is really a 50/50 chance in my opinion.

Hades: 20%
Kid Icarus is worthy enough to receive two representatives. I believe Hades could satisfy the villain role quite well. However, it is fallacious to regard him as the most likely choice whilst Medusa is around. Hades represents so much more than a one-off Kid Icarus villain. It is safe to say that if he was included, everyone (regardless of whether or not they have ever played a Nintendo game) will know his name.

Lucina: 5%
She is most certainly a secondary character. She would be more suited as a costume or a tag-team partner... or an assist trophy. She doesn't really compare to Chrom... or Roy... or Robin... or Lyn.

Sorry about any erroneous grammar. I am trying to eat, and I do not intend on reading whatever the hell I wrote. It is a long one, so there are bound to be some issues.

 

[Shorts]

I actually read Mewtwo, as Meowth at first and was reaaaaal coonfused

 

[Depressed Gengar]

So, now a Wooper thread exists now, one of the first the creator said was that Pichu and Mewtwo were random, like Wooper.

 

[Louie G.]

ITT: List six of your favorite Newcomers and how likely you think they are to be included.

In order of likeliness:

Mewtwo: 99.9999999999999999999999999%
I can't imagine Smash 4 without Mewtwo. Fan demand, relevance, etc, etc, etc.
Really, there's not much I have to explain.

Little Mac: 95%
There are a lot of things going in Mac's favor. For one thing, there's the boxing stage, which is quite obviously Punch Out (read that GameFAQS thing if you disagree). Then there's the Punch Out Wii reboot, his western popularity, and believe it or not, uniqueness.

Palutena: 85%
I'm one of the people who has lost little to no hope in Palutena over the past few months. Truthfully, she's as likely as everyone thought she was back a few months ago. Very likely. Plus I find it inevitable that Kid Icarus gets a newcomer, and Palutena is definitely the best and safest bet.

King K. Rool: 75%
I think that King K. Rool is largely overrated by some Smashboarders, but very underrated by others. While K. Rool hasn't showed up in a while, he is still a very popular and well-loved Nintendo character. And his major obstacle is Dixie Kong, but I feel that King K. Rool can be WAY more unique. And we all know uniqueness matters.

Ridley: 70%
I don't really know what to think about Ridley anymore. He may be a stage hazard, but he hasn't been shown off yet, so that points to him being playable, but Sakurai said it'd be pretty impossible in that Nintendo Power interview, but he keeps changing his mindset since Brawl. I'm just going to expect him and see what happens.

Paper Mario: 15%
Poor Paper Mario. Rosalina basically killed the chances of almost every Mario character. Hey wait a second: Paper Mario doesn't HAVE to be a Mario character! He could represent his own franchise! Which is why I consider Paper Mario to be the only plausible Mario newcomer left. Maybe Bowser Jr.

 

[Shorts]

So, you're pretty much the conventional Smash fan? You like the standard characters, outside of maybe, PM. Any more... obscure characters you have your eyes on? I'm the smash hipster.

 

[Reznor]

ITT: List six of your favorite Newcomers and how likely you think they are to be included.

Krystal: 50/50 She's got all the fixin's, it's just a matter of if she's chosen. I feel that the "unique factor" is something she holds.
Tingle: Likely Dare I say it? I'm confident that we're getting a Zelda newcomer, and I think Tingle is the character to pick.
Zoroark: Unlikely As much as I want him to be playable, and even though he has just as much IF NOT MORE potenential to be unique than any previous Pokemon choice, I doubt he will be chosen. Sad day.
Dixie: Very Likely I would say she's part of my "on lock" group of characters. She's in, imo.
Junior: Very Unlikely I don't think Sakurai is going to recognize him whatsoever, besides giving him a trophy. Rosalina kind of crushed every other Mario choice, outside of Doc IMO.
Tharja: Very Unlikely She a badass *****, but too much important/popular competition.

Bandana Dee: 70% he is popular and becoming way more important to the Kirby series

Magolor: 30% the dude is awesome what else is there to say

Dixie: 90% there is a really good chance she will get in and she is the best DK Country character

Johto Trainer: 30% I wanna play as Totodile

Ridley: 80% it's ridley he should have gotten in a long time ago

 

[Louie G.]

So, you're pretty much the conventional Smash fan? You like the standard characters, outside of maybe, PM. Any more... obscure characters you have your eyes on? I'm the smash hipster.

Alrighty then.

Scrooge McDuck: 0%
Self explanatory.

Mona: 15%
WarioWare characters are bursting with personality, and it sucks that I realized Ashley's potential AFTER she was disconfirmed. So naturally I moved on to the next best option.

Muddy Mole: 25%
I think he's got a decent shot at being a retro. Localization and Miyamoto help. His digging mechanic can be real neat.

Knuckles: 2.5%
Oh no, a Sonic character! Yeah, I love Knuckles. Shoot me down if you feel like it.

Banjo & Kazooie: 0%
Self explanatory.

Fawful: 4%
Words cannot describe how happy this would make me.

 

[Deleted member]

ITT: List six of your favorite Newcomers and how likely you think they are to be included.

Krystal: 50/50 She's got all the fixin's, it's just a matter of if she's chosen. I feel that the "unique factor" is something she holds.
Tingle: Likely Dare I say it? I'm confident that we're getting a Zelda newcomer, and I think Tingle is the character to pick.
Zoroark: Unlikely As much as I want him to be playable, and even though he has just as much IF NOT MORE potenential to be unique than any previous Pokemon choice, I doubt he will be chosen. Sad day.
Dixie: Very Likely I would say she's part of my "on lock" group of characters. She's in, imo.
Junior: Very Unlikely I don't think Sakurai is going to recognize him whatsoever, besides giving him a trophy. Rosalina kind of crushed every other Mario choice, outside of Doc IMO.
Tharja: Very Unlikely She a badass *****, but too much important/popular competition.

King K Rool: Likely - Many fans from both the west and Japan have requested him to be in Smash Bros. despite his absence in later Donkey Kong games. The only thing that stands in his way is Dixie Kong

Chibi-Robo: Unlikely - While he has potential for a unique moveset, he hasn't really hit big in the west as much as Japan and he'll probably wind up as an assist trophy.

Little Mac: Likely - Since the Wii reboot game out, Mac has gained a lot of popularity and requests from fans of the west. I can't see him as a assist trophy again like in Brawl

Krystal: 50/50 - Its sort of hard to tell on Krystal. On one hand, she has showed up in many people's requests (Granted it was during pre-Brawl days) but on the other, theres enough Starfox characters. She could be unique enough to get in or Sakurai may add her as another last minute addition and become yet another Fox semi-clone.

Tingle: Likely - I'd say he is the next in line for Zelda newcomers (If they're getting one that is), he is also big and popular in Japan.

Sheriff: 50/50 - Its hard to imagine how he would work in Smash Bros but never doubt Sakurai. He would fit in under another retro character and a cowboy added to the list of fighters.

 

[Reznor]

@ Louie G. @ Shorts
you guys have the same avatar I can't tell who is who

whats with people thinking Krystal has a 50% chance that is way to high

 

[Louie G.]

@ Reznor
Fox-64
Falco-Melee
Wolf-Brawl
Krystal-SSB4?

 

[Shorts]

That's coming from the guy who thinks Bandana Dee has 70% chance

She's got all the proper things. Popularity. Prominence. Importance. Uniqueness. It's just a matter of being chosen or not. That's why I give her 50/50 Which is where I would rank Bandana Dee, personally.

 

[Reznor]

@ Reznor
Fox-64
Falco-Melee
Wolf-Brawl
Krystal-SSB4?

because they were still making Star Fox games
now i'm not saying only relevant series should have characters but Star Fox has 3 characters already that's enough for a dead series

That's coming from the guy who thinks Bandana Dee has 70% chance

She's got all the proper things. Popularity. Prominence. Importance. Uniqueness. It's just a matter of being chosen or not. That's why I give her 50/50 Which is where I would rank Bandana Dee, personally.

Popularity: not in japan
Prominece: isn't that the same as popularity
Importance: not as much as Slippy
Uniqueness: not really

trying to drag Waddle Dee in this conversation to make Krystal look better

 

[Louie G.]

trying to drag Waddle Dee in this conversation to make Krystal look better

You know, Waddle Dee and Krystal have a lot in common.
They are both unnecessary 4th characters for franchises that could use them but don't need them.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Lyn: 50% Yeah I'm being an optimist, but with an AT in brawl and little mac could transition from AT to playable.... why not her? She's got the qualifications, but she has to beat out the flavor of the month and roy.

Krystal: 50% See this is a character that i'm not so confident with, if she didn't get alot of hate i'd put her in a much higher percentage. That said, she got uniqueness and popularity to boot, but with 3 SF characters, she's got a 50/50 shot, its up to sakurai to see if he wants a 4th.

Bandanna dee: 75% I see this little dude getting in, and completing the kirby series. The only way he's not getting in is if sakurai says no.

Palutena: 90% She's getting in, KI has really done well, and I believe well enough to warrant a spot. So hopefully she's able to get in the "super bash sisters" cast, but sakurai has the final say.

Takamaru: 80% Sakurai said he wanted revive old characters, and despite his cameos he hasn't had an official game yet, so someone like him could be a great choice for sakurai, to me he stands out more than any other retro, unless sakurai wants to go in the more obscure route.

Daitoryo: 50% This is one of the historical/obscure characters that maybe sakurai would go for, he could fit a phoneix wright/okami vibe, and with Nintendo's 125th anny coming up I believe, he could be one of those out of the blue characters that sakurai would choose.

Shulk: 75% With the success of Xenoblade, and the upcoming X which could be a spiritual successor, I think shulk could be a likely choice. He's got the moveset and the uniqueness and he'd be showcasing a fresh new IP. the only reason I don't put him higher is because I think that maybe Isaac could hurt his chances, I don't see them both getting in, but that's my opinion.

There I was bored so I did your thingy, I don't usually do this.

 

[Croph]

Aw man, I really like obscure characters for some reason. And if I learned anything, crossover series (especially fighting games) like Smash is where you put your obscure/forgotten characters.

Ah, I tried to search up a post I made about some obscure characters, but the search function keeps getting an error. :< I'll see what I can do... but yeah, over the years, Nintendo has made some pretty cool, weird, and interesting obscure games/misc stuff haha. It's a shame we may never see them again...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Lyn: 50% Yeah I'm being an optimist, but with an AT in brawl and little mac could transition from AT to playable.... why not her? She's got the qualifications, but she has to beat out the flavor of the month and roy.

Krystal: 50% See this is a character that i'm not so confident with, if she didn't get alot of hate i'd put her in a much higher percentage. That said, she got uniqueness and popularity to boot, but with 3 SF characters, she's got a 50/50 shot, its up to sakurai to see if he wants a 4th.

Bandanna dee: 75% I see this little dude getting in, and completing the kirby series. The only way he's not getting in is if sakurai says no.

Palutena: 90% She's getting in, KI has really done well, and I believe well enough to warrant a spot. So hopefully she's able to get in the "super bash sisters" cast, but sakurai has the final say.

Takamaru: 80% Sakurai said he wanted revive old characters, and despite his cameos he hasn't had an official game yet, so someone like him could be a great choice for sakurai, to me he stands out more than any other retro, unless sakurai wants to go in the more obscure route.

Daitoryo: 50% This is one of the historical/obscure characters that maybe sakurai would go for, he could fit a phoneix wright/okami vibe, and with Nintendo's 125th anny coming up I believe, he could be one of those out of the blue characters that sakurai would choose.

Shulk: 75% With the success of Xenoblade, and the upcoming X which could be a spiritual successor, I think shulk could be a likely choice. He's got the moveset and the uniqueness and he'd be showcasing a fresh new IP. the only reason I don't put him higher is because I think that maybe Isaac could hurt his chances, I don't see them both getting in, but that's my opinion.

There I was bored so I did your thingy, I don't usually do this.

And yet none of these character excite me in the least

I think you're being a little too optimistic.

 

[JamesDNaux]

You know, Waddle Dee and Krystal have a lot in common.
They are both unnecessary 4th characters for franchises that could use them but don't need them.

Krystal is a generic enemy with a headband?

 

[Louie G.]

Krystal is a generic enemy with a headband?

You know, Waddle Dee and Krystal have a lot in common.
They are both unnecessary 4th characters for franchises that could use them but don't need them.

I think I explained myself. Generic or not, Waddle Dee is the next plausible choice for a Kirby rep.

 

[Reznor]

Krystal is a generic enemy with a headband?

Waddle Dee killed the Kirby series?

I really hope this doesn't turn into a Waddle Dee vs Krystal thing but you Krystal fans keep bringing him up

 

[XStarWarriorX]

And yet none of these character excite me in the least

I think you're being a little too optimistic.

Well dude, I think he said list "your favorite newcomers and how likely they'll be" you could do yours too, I wonder what your taste is mr. eyeball guy.

Maybe.

 

[Reznor]

Well dude, I think he said list "your favorite newcomers and how likely they'll be" you could do yours too, I wonder what your taste is mr. eyeball guy.

Maybe.

he has Godzilla in his avatar it must be awesome

 

[Nu~]

Pac-Man- 90% Seriously, all sakurai has to do is go next door to Namco and discuss putting pac-man in the game. As a third party, he fits with the rest of the SSB cast better than any other. He is also very recognizable and loved around the world with the potential to have an extremely unique moveset. PUT HIM IN!


Galacta Knight- 20% Not happening, but would be really cool. He just isn't important enough to the series as a whole.


Palutena- 90% Would complete the amount of representatives that KI deserves and now that Sakurai owns her and Pit, she has a great chance.


Mii- 80% Nintendo packages this guy into everything(like the wii ), the rumor, and the find mii stage? He has a really solid chance.


Paper Mario- 10% not happening. But I really wanted him

 

[XStarWarriorX]

he has Godzilla in his avatar it must be awesome

idk if he'll do it, he doesn't hang around here much, and his avi always was some weird eyeball thing.

though i liked that poke avi he had on for a while tho. /rambling

 

[JamesDNaux]

Waddle Dee killed the Kirby series?

I really hope this doesn't turn into a Waddle Dee vs Krystal thing but you Krystal fans keep bringing him up

"You Krystal fans" I hope that wasn't referring to me.

That insinuation that Krystal killed Star Fox is ridiculous, a single character doesn't kill a franchise, Sonic is still around.

 

[Opossum]

In order, my Top 6 favorite newcomers.

Little Mac: Very Likely (95%) - Huge Western appeal, an iconic series, plenty of fighting potential. Probably the most likely newcomer at this point, I feel. Can have a Star mechanic.

Chrom: Likely (75%) - Star-power, familiarity, and more popularity than Smashboards would initially let you believe. That, and Intelligent Systems loves him, apparently, looking at the advertising campaigns. Can have a stance mechanic.

King K. Rool: Pretty Likely (70%) - A terrific villain from a currently under-represented series and has worldwide popularity (and a great singing voice if the cartoon is to be considered). Can become THE "ultimate heavyweight" character.

Ridley: Likely (75%) - If you thought DKC was under-appreciated in Smash, look at Metroid. Mainly Western appeal (though acknowledged in the East), important main villain of Metroid, and has not been shown as a hazard. Can become the savage aerial monster.

Muddy Mole: Very Unlikely (10%) - He has the Miyamoto backing helping him, pretty much. That being said, this guy's awesome, and Mole Mania's a hidden gem. Can have a digging mechanic.

Chibi-Robo: Unlikely (35%) - A four-game series (though one is Japan-only) that Nintendo seemingly is recognizing more now. Plus, Photo Finder's hella fun. Can have a charging mechanic.

 

[Nu~]

I think I explained myself. Generic or not, Waddle Dee is the next plausible choice for a Kirby rep.

then comes galacta knight and prince fluff

 

[Depressed Gengar]

1. K. Rool: 85%. Do I have to explain?
2. Ridley: 85%. It's freaking Ridley.
3. Kamek: 65%. Yoshi's actually kinda underrepresented. Regardless of it's a spin off or not, it's still more important than EarthBound.
4. Bandanna Dee: 65%. He has a SPEAR. That, and Parasols (Parasol Dee), Beams (Waddle Doo), and Megaton Punch!
5. Captain Syrup: 50%. Someone's gotta represent Wario Land some, unless Wario does it this time.
6. Paper Mario: 15%. Dat move set potential...

 

[Reznor]

"You Krystal fans" I hope that wasn't referring to me.

That insinuation that Krystal killed Star Fox is ridiculous, a single character doesn't kill a franchise, Sonic is still around.

if you're a Krystal fan
i'm not talking about you just the guy who made this Waddle Dee vs Krystal

Krystal might not have killed Star Fox single handedly but she did help to it's destruction
Krystal is in the same situation as Jar Jar Binks in the sense that when you think about how Star wars started to suck you think about Jar Jar Binks

 

[XStarWarriorX]

if you're a Krystal fan
i'm not talking about you just the guy who made this Waddle Dee vs Krystal

Krystal might not have killed Star Fox single handedly but she did help to it's destruction
Krystal is in the same situation as Jar Jar Binks in the sense that when you think about how Star wars started to suck you think about Jar Jar Binks

Lets not start a krystal fight for no reason, pls.

 

[Reznor]

Lets not start a krystal fight for no reason, pls.

all I said was I don't see why people say she has a 50% chance then all this happened

 

[AncientTobacco]

Star Fox should not get any more reps.

In fact I wouldn't care if it lost one.

 

[Frostwraith]

Eww... Krystal... >_>

If there's any character that I DON'T want is Krystal. Sure, she could have a unique moveset, blah blah blah, I know that, but still.

3 Star Fox characters are enough. I want to see something else besides space furries.

 

[UltimateWario]

Star Fox has the perfect number of reps for its size and popularity, if not more.

 

[Knight Dude]

So, you're pretty much the conventional Smash fan? You like the standard characters, outside of maybe, PM. Any more... obscure characters you have your eyes on? I'm the smash hipster.

Ones that aren't likely? I've got some other characters I like too.

Ray, since who doesn't like super-powered robots?

Dark Samus. I just happen to like the character.

Bass. I'm a Mega Man fan. And Bass was pretty cool as far as rivals go.

Dillon. I think he just looks cool, and he could have an interesting playstyle.

And then Captain Syrup. I like the idea of someone with a pirate themed moveset.