Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[PLATINUM7]

Tingle's Appearences:
Majora's Mask
Wind Waker
Minish Cap
Four Sword Adventure
3 Tingle games.

That's 4 Zelda and 3 Tingle
.

You forgot Oracle of Ages

 

[Kenith]

I agree that them ripping off of the Ice Climbers and Zelda/Sheik's mechanic is disgusting, but to the fans of the duo mechanic fans you occasionally find, they think that's the greatest and most unique thing since Sakurai added a Wireframe as a newcomer and named it Wii Fit Trainer.

Hey, you know Wii Fit Trainer does look like a "frame" if ya catch my drift

Spoiler

You see what I'm saying is she's skinny and fit and that's hot

 

[Shorts]

I agree that them ripping off of the Ice Climbers and Zelda/Sheik's mechanic is disgusting, but to the fans of the duo mechanic fans you occasionally find, they think that's the greatest and most unique thing since Sakurai added a Wireframe as a newcomer and named it Wii Fit Trainer.

Disgusting? Harsh much?

Just make the mechanic reflect the way it works in DCK, and that's that. It's a good idea, regardless of Diddy's prior status as a solo character.

 

[Reznor]

This is just so amazing it brings me joy in which you can never imagine. Might even re-create that image for my profile picture, but with some changes.

However your grammar could use some work

ya I was gonna fix it but I'm trying to find where I go in Kirby's Amazing Mirror

 

[NickerBocker]

You forgot Oracle of Ages

Can't forget Oracle of Seasons either!

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Well, it's kinda weird to congratulate me personally, it's not like I had a baby.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Can't forget Oracle of Seasons either!

Tingle isn't in Seasons.

 

[Kenith]

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[BKupa666]

Disgusting? Harsh much?

Just make the mechanic reflect the way it works in DCK, and that's that. It's a good idea, regardless of Diddy's prior status as a solo character.

Disgusting in that it wastes development time on a mechanic that's just a combination of two existing ones, and also restricts my options as a player. Give me Diddy and Dixie separately, and I can have pair-ups of just DK and Diddy, or DK and Dixie, or put Dixie against the other female characters without Diddy messing around. That vanishes if they're shoehorned into a mechanic just because something visually similar happened in one platformer.

 

[NickerBocker]

Tingle isn't in Seasons.

Oh sorry i thought you meant Impa.

 

[Shorts]

Disgusting in that it wastes development time on a mechanic that's just a combination of two existing ones, and also restricts my options as a player. Give me Diddy and Dixie separately, and I can have pair-ups of just DK and Diddy, or put Dixie against the other female characters without Diddy messing around. That vanishes if they're shoehorned into a mechanic because something visually similar happened in one platformer.

>Whining over nothing

I hope for you sake it doesn't happen.

 

[BKupa666]

>Whining over nothing

I hope for you sake it doesn't happen.

Aren't you a Dixie fan? Wouldn't you prefer her in the game as a standalone rather than basically get the message that, no, she's not good enough for that?

 

[Kenith]

IMO pairing Diddy and Diddy for the sake of just doing it is worth losing Diddy Kong by himself.

 

[Morbi]

IMO pairing Diddy and Diddy for the sake of just doing it is worth losing Diddy Kong by himself.

I don't agree, if he wanted to implement that idea, he should have done it before Diddy was established as his own character. I mean, it doesn't even make sense in the first place. It would be much more practical to just develop her as a semi-clone. What would be so unique about her tagging with Diddy? I would save it for a character that actually makes sense with those mechanics (such as Chrome).

 

[JamesDNaux]

IMO pairing Diddy and Diddy for the sake of just doing it is worth losing Diddy Kong by himself.

There is absolutely no reason to pair them up this time. Why would you want to pair two characters like that? You may as well stick Mario and Luigi together.

 

[Shorts]

Aren't you a Dixie fan? Wouldn't you prefer her in the game as a standalone rather than basically get the message that, no, she's not good enough for that?

I wouldn't mind her an Dixie being a duo. You're implying that message. You've implied all the negatives. There isn't any negatives besides "Darn, Diddy may play differently" which shouldn't be that big of a deal considering we seem to be seeing multiple character get some tweaks. Bowser, Pit, and probably Zelda as well. Dixie could also be solo, and that's fine too.

What's a real shame is Ashley isn't playable. That's a shame. On this note, do you think Wario reps are dead in the water now? What a real shame.

IMO pairing Diddy and Diddy for the sake of just doing it is worth losing Diddy Kong by himself.

 

[UltimateWario]

You may as well stick Mario and Luigi together.

That would be a fun and interesting twist on two really boring characters (Mario moreso than Luigi).

I'm personally partial to the Diddy/Dixie combo as long as it isn't an Ice Climbers rip-off.

What's a real shame is Ashley isn't playable. That's a shame. On this note, do you think Wario reps are dead in the water now? What a real shame.

Eh, I don't think Ashley was the prime pick for a second Wario rep. It would either be Mona or Jimmy T, because I'm not lucky enough to get Captain Syrup in.

 

[Morbi]

I wouldn't mind her an Dixie being a duo. You're implying that message. You've implied all the negatives. There isn't any negatives besides "Darn, Diddy may play differently" which shouldn't be that big of a deal considering we seem to be seeing multiple character get some tweaks. Bowser, Pit, and probably Zelda as well. Dixie could also be solo, and that's fine too.

What's a real shame is Ashley isn't playable. That's a shame. On this note, do you think Wario reps are dead in the water now? What a real shame.

Yes, Ashley was the only WarioWare representative that I wanted. It is a shame that she isn't going to be in the game, I am not expecting another Wario character to become playable as of yet. I mean, I was never really expecting Ashley in the first place, but I still thought that by some miracle... it could happen.

 

[NickerBocker]

So I made a roster. Feel free to comment.

Some changes:
-No cuts this time, people rage sometimes. I would rather keep that to myself.
-removed Isaac
-Vaati, Robin and Shulk added

 

[Shorts]

I mean, I feel like, Wario as a series is one of the most deserving franchises to have another character. Each character choice has a lot of interesting personalities, and potential playstyles. This isn't even only talking about Ware characters either. Syrup could bring some cool candy pirateness to Smash. So much potential.

 

[BKupa666]

The negative I think is implied is that Diddy and Dixie within a duo are presented as dependent on one another when both have proven to be competent individual adventurers. Diddy in particular even has his own spin-off series in Diddy Kong Racing. If, say, Bowser Jr. were constantly following Bowser around, I'd feel the same way; both have villain cred on their own that they should be demonstrating.

I never thought and still don't think another Wario character is likely, but Ashley being revealed doesn't rule one out, given that Mona and Captain Syrup seem to be the better picks (along with THE SHAKE KING ).

 

[UltimateWario]

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Some changes:
-No cuts this time, people rage sometimes. I would rather keep that to myself.
-removed Isaac
-Vaati, Robin and Shulk added

Replace Vaati with Isaac and this is a solid ****ing roster.

8/10, you lost a point for having Vaati but not Isaac. If you wouldn't have removed Isaac at all, I would've given this 10/10.

 

[Shorts]

The negative I think is implied is that Diddy and Dixie within a duo are presented as dependent on one another when both have proven to be competent individual adventurers.

It's a fighting game, who gives a ****? I think you're reading far too much into this.

 

[Morbi]

It's a fighting game, who gives a ****? I think you're reading far too much into this.

That is what everyone on Smashboards is accustomed to, over-thinking everything.

 

[Shorts]

That is what everyone on Smashboards is accustomed to, over-thinking everything.

Which is probably a bad thing.

 

[Autumn ♫]

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So I made a roster. Feel free to comment.

Some changes:
-No cuts this time, people rage sometimes. I would rather keep that to myself.
-removed Isaac
-Vaati, Robin and Shulk added

10/10 'cause Vaati.

But also Shulk and Robin.

 

[UltimateWario]

Replace Vaati with Isaac and this is a solid ****ing roster.

8/10, you lost a point for having Vaati but not Isaac. If you wouldn't have removed Isaac at all, I would've given this 10/10.

10/10 'cause Vaati.

But also Shulk and Robin.

Ebony, and Ivory~

 

[Morbi]

Ebony, and Ivory~

The guns from DMC... or Paul McCartney?

 

[BKupa666]

It's a fighting game, who gives a ****? I think you're reading far too much into this.

"It's a fighting game" shouldn't be a justification for characters to receive crummy or inaccurate portrayals. I don't see how wanting what I believe is better for the characters is overthinking things.

In terms of Wario, if a newcomer candidate jumps out as one with a great potential playstyle beyond just wackiness, by all means, let's have them added. If it's just for the sake of "Second Wario Rep," however, pass.

 

[Richard Nixon]

I don't exactly support Diddy and Dixie as a tag-team myself. I feel pretty neutral about it, though I think it could be interesting if they became a new variety of duo character. But then, Dixie could work just fine on her own, too, and we've already got plenty of characters that work as duos and use transformations. I just think it's a concept that's often overlooked, despite being within the realm of possibility.

Wario could stand to gain a second character, I guess. I'm not really counting on it happening, but I certainly wouldn't mind.

 

[UltimateWario]

The only problem I have with solo Dixie is, as I've said before, she's almost without-a-doubt doomed to be a semi-clone at best, the exact same situation that got her cut from Brawl. I'd make an existing character a little more interesting before tacking another Falco onto the roster.

 

[Morbi]

The only problem I have with solo Dixie is, as I've said before, she's almost without-a-doubt doomed to be a semi-clone at best, the exact same situation that got her cut from Brawl. I'd make an existing character a little more interesting before tacking another Falco onto the roster.

This is also how I feel; however, Dixie doesn't have to be a semi-clone. Sakurai would surely come up with something diverse and unique. I can't help but feel that her similar aesthetic appearance will attenuate whatever he actually changes. I would much rather... well any other Donkey Kong character to be perfectly honest.

 

[BKupa666]

The only problem I have with solo Dixie is, as I've said before, she's almost without-a-doubt doomed to be a semi-clone at best, the exact same situation that got her cut from Brawl. I'd make an existing character a little more interesting before tacking another Falco onto the roster.

To be fair, it was technical difficulties that lead to the duo, and by extension, Dixie, getting cut out of Brawl. Which is why I'm uneasy that it could be revived this time around. Although if the technical difficulties were the awkwardness of, say, Diddy somersaulting through the air in slow motion while Dixie hovers, like in DKC2, that might be unavoidable barring an animation change.

 

[Starcutter]

ya I was gonna fix it but I'm trying to find where I go in Kirby's Amazing Mirror

Oh I love that game! Still the only game I have 100% completed.

 

[UltimateWario]

Wait, Diddy/Dixie was planned for Brawl? She wasn't just a roster-padding clone?

 

[BKupa666]

Wait, Diddy/Dixie was planned for Brawl? She wasn't just a roster-padding clone?

Yep.

 

[UltimateWario]

Yikes...then I have to say that that's the most likely possibility this time around, for better or for worse.

 

[Starcutter]

Am I the only one who expects some kind of Yoshi character?

 

[AEMehr]

I'm going by gameplay merits. Having Lucina as a slot is just as dumb as having Male Wii Fit Trainer as a slot gameplay wise.

as you seem to be somebody who sees no potential in anybody who doesn't drench uniqueness, I can see why you feel that way.

Can =/= will =/= want

That logic only works with alternate versions of existing characters. Lucina isn't an alternate versions of Marth. She isn't a Toon Marth, she isn't a female Marth.

So NOTHING about her resembled Marth? Not her clothes, not her color scheme, not her sword, not her body? I suppose next you're gonna tell me you can't see the similarities between Mario & Luigi.

Does she share similarities to the Marth that was in Fire Emblem Awakening? Yes, because that was the entire idea in Awakening. Does she share many similarities to Marth in Smash Bros? I dunno, you tell me.

I see a primarily blue/yellow color-scheme, a Falchion (even then, it's design changed), and a cape. Visually, those are the only similarities I really see.

Easy. Make an overly optimistic claim that "he could be different if Sakurai really tried."

Ho ho, didn't need the sarcasm there pal. But hey, he really could if he wanted to. I mean that is if Luigi and Rosalina.

We're not just looking for ways to make similar characters co-exist. We're looking for PLAUSIBLE ways to make them co-exist. Like Pikachu and Pichu co-existing without being clones would be an example of something not plausible. A character who has more similarities than differences will end up being a clone according to every character in Smash that fits that description. I've yet to see a character with differences in less number than similarities that has not become a clone of some sort. And Lucina of ALL people being that exception is absurd.

The real exception is Luigi. Lucina could be an exception, I mean isn't Rosalina an exception too? There's no reason why we can't get Lucina if the only reason preventing her is is her similarities to Marth. Which Chrom has similarities too, baring the visual one. Nothing is stoping Sakurai from making Chrom a Marth clone, right? But he could if he wanted to.

Shouldn't be writing off characters because of potential similarities with other characters, like we did with Rosalina.

 

[JamesDNaux]

It's a fighting game, who gives a ****? I think you're reading far too much into this.

I didn't look at the Smash 64 commercial and think "oh boy, another fighting game!" I looked at it and thought "I can play as my favorite Nintendo characters!"

The only problem I have with solo Dixie is, as I've said before, she's almost without-a-doubt doomed to be a semi-clone at best, the exact same situation that got her cut from Brawl. I'd make an existing character a little more interesting before tacking another Falco onto the roster.

She'd be more akin to Luigi honestly, she would use her hair for most of her attacks which already differentiates her normals from Diddy. I really doubt Sakurai would give her a banana too, she'd probably get a hair pound move similar to DK's down special. She'd have a similar gun to Diddy yeah, but the properties would be far more different than Fox-Falco's blasters, while Diddy fires relatively slow peanuts that break open and sometimes leave edible ammo, Dixie would shoot a faster gumball that would bounce around on stage.

Her recovery would be far different from Diddy's, with her getting a quick hair-copter boost and then hovering down while Diddy has a chargeable jetpack that goes in one quick burst. Not entirely sure about a side special, it could just be a command grab with her hair, which would still be very different from Diddy's flip grab/kick. Other than the movesets, she might have similar stats to Diddy yeah, but I'd imagine she'd be a bit lighter and faster, probably fall faster too, she might not have a wall jump or crawl either, you've got to think outside of the box.

The notion that even one special being similar = clone is ridiculous, do you people not use the A button?